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Melvin Gordon to return to school (1 Viewer)
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MoveToSkypager
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shucks
Casting Couch
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fook
Area51Inhabitant
Footballguy
I hope this doesn't come back and bite him i.e. serious injury like Lattimore suffered.
GeeYouknit
Footballguy
Well that stinks...
werdnoynek
Footballguy
As a Badger fan, I love this... as a NFL fan... 
Chimp Magnet
Footballguy
Crud
MAC_32
Footballguy
dont be, he just made the Seastrunk decision easier.
ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
very stupid for a guy who would be one of the top 3 RB's drafted. Brutal position for injuries.
happy as a Badger fan but awful decision by Gordon.
happy as a Badger fan but awful decision by Gordon.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
As a Seastrunk owner in a devy league, it looks like I'll probably be going WR at 1.01 now.
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Interseptopus
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Name the last badger RB to actually make an impact in the NFL?
Ball is by far the best (doesn't say much, signs are pointing to bust so far, especially compared to the RBs selected slightly before and after him; he's the worst rookie RBs this season put in any situation to do well) and signs are pointing to bust outside of vulture-ing goal line carries, if he can hold onto the ball... Overrated is a word that comes to mind
Edit: name the last badger offensive player (aside from OL) to make any impact in the nfl...
I'm not sure this is as big of a deal as people make it. The badgers just don't, historically, produce any nfl players of any significance on the offensive side of the ball side from offensive linemen
Ball is by far the best (doesn't say much, signs are pointing to bust so far, especially compared to the RBs selected slightly before and after him; he's the worst rookie RBs this season put in any situation to do well) and signs are pointing to bust outside of vulture-ing goal line carries, if he can hold onto the ball... Overrated is a word that comes to mind
Edit: name the last badger offensive player (aside from OL) to make any impact in the nfl...
I'm not sure this is as big of a deal as people make it. The badgers just don't, historically, produce any nfl players of any significance on the offensive side of the ball side from offensive linemen
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sho nuff
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Owen Daniels, Garrett Graham.
Have had some decent WRs and TEs...a few QBs as well if you really want a Badger offensive player to make an impact, this Russell Wilson guy is doing alright.
Abbrederis may carve a nice niche in the NFL as well.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Russell Wilson was there for one season. Hardly qualifies as a product of the system
The badgers have had GREAT college football RBs, but none have translated to the nfl
Buffaloes
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Just off the top of my head, Lee Evans & Chris Chambers, wide receivers - maybe they were not STUDs, but they had significance in the NFL.
Didn't San Diego also have a third down Badger RB about ten years ago - change of pace type guy, cannot recall his name (I want to say Terrell Fletcher, but I probably am confusing him with a different player)
A few TEs previously mentioned
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Compared to other rookies selected before or after him, and expectations of ball when he was drafted, yeah absolutely.Bell, Bernard, Lacy, and Stacy all look like franchise backs.
Even Joseph Randle looked better than Ball.
Interesting how many looked at Ball as one who would emerge as the #1 back out of this class, and felt like he was set up to be a super star. He was given every opportunity to win the starting job and didn't. Now that he has not lived up to expectations, suddenly people are tempering their initial predictions and are saying he isn't a bust.
He's just another UW back in the nfl, so far. He could turn it around, but I don't see it. He's got an up hill battle and balls roll down hill not up
Talking to people with their badger fan glasses on, I'll never get through to, but if you take them off and look objectively, ball isn't a franchise back. He's just a guy. Gives good depth on a good team
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sho nuff
Footballguy
Sure...he was there for one year.
But is he any less a product of the current system than guys that came years before? He played in the offense (at least that of Bielema)..whereas guys like Dayne played quite a while ago.
I also don't look into the history of players from one school as much. Tedford/Cal QBs never did well either, til this Rodgers guy came along.
sho nuff
Footballguy
I believe it was Fletcher in SD...thinking it was more than 10 years ago though.
Calhoun could have been a nice player prior to his injury.
Ball will be decent and I think Gordon is the most prepared guy out of UW in a while. Has the speed and power to get outside or run between the tackles.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Most badger fans would agree that Wilson does not qualify as a product of the system. They didn't recruit and develop him.
That's like saying the Denver Broncos know how to develop quarterbacks because they have Peyton Manning and he is one of the best in the history of the game.
So is Peyton Manning just as much of a product of the QB development of the broncos as Elway?
Badgers got lucky with Wilson, and it's more apparent after he left. If UW was so great at developing QBs then why did O'Brien fail?
Given the badgers history of RBs in the league, I don't know how anyone can get excited over another one entering the nfl.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
My point exactly: guys, not studs. Ball will be another guy, not a stud. And given the history I don't know how anyone can expect the net rb from UW to be any different.
I do believe that Gordon has the most potential the succeed in the nfl in quite some time. I think he's an idiot to go back. Go put miles on your tires for free when someone is willing to pay you for those miles.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Because people are watching him play and realizing he is a different kind of player than someone like Dayne or Clay that have failed in the past.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
On a side note, I'm actually very excited about the dynasty potential of Nick Toon. I think he has a very good opportunity where he is and could turn out to be one of the best WRs to come out of UW
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sho nuff
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Just don't know...he has some skills...but also may get muddled up there in NO.
Im anxious to see where Abbrederis goes and how he comes into the league. Can see him as a Decker/Welker kind of guy (not just because he is white).
Just has a knack for running very good routes no matter the coverage (because, lets face it, they have very few other receiving options and the guy has torn it up this year for being the one real receiving threat on that team)
sho nuff
Footballguy
Gordon.
I don't think Ball and Clay are that similar.
Ball has some nice measurables...faster and not as fat as Clay. Think he runs with better power even than Clay. Clay ended up more like Dayne and was dumb to leave school early. Performed way better than Clay in things like the 40, vertical and so on.
Also...2-3 inches shorter, yet has longer arms and bigger hands and is 15 pounds lighter
MAC_32
Footballguy
seriously, it'd be foolish to ignore the trend but even more silly to pass on him just because of where he came from.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
I just think he has a good situation ahead of him which could present him with some good opportunities. I couldn't see him being a #1 guy, but he could be a slot threat or #2 eventually.
Abbrederis has some of the best hands in quite some time. He is definitely a possession WR in the nfl. In the past I would say he is doomed but a lot of teams are seeing the need for possession WRs these days.
He's projected to be a 2-3rd rounder, which personally I think 2nd is too high. 3rd and possibly slipping to the 4th a a big steal is a possibility. I'm just not sure how many WRs are going to go in the first 3 rounds. CBS has him as the 12th best, so I guess it all depends when guys above him are drafted
sho nuff
Footballguy
2 of the guys Im excited about and hoping somehow could end up in GB are Abbrederis (Jordy and Cobb will be on their last years next year...have to keep both Id say)...Jones on his last this year. Boykin just coming up.
Maybe not room for Abbrederis' role with Boykin and Cobb next year.
The other WR I love is Jordan Matthews from Vanderbilt. Guy will be a stud IMO.
Maybe not room for Abbrederis' role with Boykin and Cobb next year.
The other WR I love is Jordan Matthews from Vanderbilt. Guy will be a stud IMO.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
I'm not saying draft from a certain school. But just look at the trends. It's more of who to avoid from certain schools.
USC QBs haven't faired well in the nfl as of late. Can't ignore it.
Same way UW backs haven't done well in the nfl.
I admit Gordon has potential to be the best back from uw in quite some time. He's worth a shot, especially if you have an early draft pick next year. It all depends where he goes. If he has a good supporting cast he may do quite well. If he has to do it all himself, I just don't know. It's anyone's guess.
It's impossible to predict who will transfer to the nfl well. If I could do it I'd have a job as an nfl scout. But I think it's ridiculous to not consider the trends. I believe that's a reason why some QBs have fallen in the draft in recent years. Specifically I think that's why Rodgers fell, because cal QBs did not translate well into the nfl. Obviously that backfired, but he is the exception, not the rule and every now and the someone comes out who bucks the trend.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Agree
Usually I shake my head when badger fans suggest GB draft a UW player, because it's out of emotion not out of common sense. Abbrederis makes complete sense for the packers. I'm not sure if he can contribute on ST though, which is a factor for the 4-5 WRs on the pack
MAC_32
Footballguy
i didn't say ignore it, context matters though. Before going down the lazy analysis trail draw parallels between him and others that have failed before him. How is he different? What traits may he be guilty of replicating?
Interseptopus
Footballguy
As it's been said previously. He isn't as big as backs before him. A lot of UW back in the past have been bruiser types. He seems to be faster than his previous alumni.
He is better than Ball, but Ball is the closest comparison I can make. I am not sure how much Balls game has and will continue to translate to the nfl. So my expectations are so so.
I think it depends where he goes. If he goes to NE, well I say avoid at all costs (swearing off NE backs after grabbing Ridley in one league). Or the jets, I'd say meh. If it's somewhere like Atlanta, well then hop onto the bandwagon.
I think if he gets with a good QB into a good offense he can be great.
The trend just scares me off a little
cstu
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sho nuff
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KellysHeroes
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get some 2015 picks
Interseptopus
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I think it's way too early to say signs point to him busting especially when he's put together a very good month against the toughest teams on Denver's schedule. Joseph Randle? I have seen plenty of Dallas games and I'm pretty sure every pro snap by Ball. Ball is a much more complete RB than Randle. I think Ball projects to being a solid NFL RB for the next few years with the usual injury caveat.
Catbird
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I have to agree with the CO guy here. Ball has started to catch on and looks a lot like a solid lead back working through the blocking, fumble and learning to catch issues most rookies face. I wouldn't take him over Lacy or Gio, but on talent and in dynasty, Ball is at least on par with Stacy and Bell in my view - and that means being a starting NFL RB as soon as next year. Don't let the rough transition and early inability to replace a very good Moreno block your vision as to who Ball clearly is becoming. He's definitely a buy low - if his owner might not realize what he has.
Closer to topic, I think UW typically has such good run blockers and such a good scheme that lesser rushers appear to be more than they are. In this, I see great similarity to Tide RBs. I agree that has led to guys being picked way too high based on UW success. At the same time, that doesn't mean that all guys who look very good behind that line won't become great, it just means that some guys who look great behind that OL won't become great. Richardson, Ingram and Lacy all looked very good behind the 'Bama OL. If you passed on Lacy for Bell because you had decided Trent and Ingram were products of that system and OL and so Eddie could not be trusted, you probably regret it. I think you have to see why a guy is great in college and figure out if that translates to the pro game (along with where he lands). Gordon seems like he has that spark and explosion Dayne and Clay didn't/don't. I think the jury is still out on Wilson, but I'm not optimistic.
I'm not enough of a scout to declare that Gordon has the game or not - I think he looks like it - but I think it is safe to say that looking very good at UW doesn't mean he won't be a top level NFL talent, it just means you have to be extra careful because looking that good at UW doesn't guarantee he's a top level talent.
Closer to topic, I think UW typically has such good run blockers and such a good scheme that lesser rushers appear to be more than they are. In this, I see great similarity to Tide RBs. I agree that has led to guys being picked way too high based on UW success. At the same time, that doesn't mean that all guys who look very good behind that line won't become great, it just means that some guys who look great behind that OL won't become great. Richardson, Ingram and Lacy all looked very good behind the 'Bama OL. If you passed on Lacy for Bell because you had decided Trent and Ingram were products of that system and OL and so Eddie could not be trusted, you probably regret it. I think you have to see why a guy is great in college and figure out if that translates to the pro game (along with where he lands). Gordon seems like he has that spark and explosion Dayne and Clay didn't/don't. I think the jury is still out on Wilson, but I'm not optimistic.
I'm not enough of a scout to declare that Gordon has the game or not - I think he looks like it - but I think it is safe to say that looking very good at UW doesn't mean he won't be a top level NFL talent, it just means you have to be extra careful because looking that good at UW doesn't guarantee he's a top level talent.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
I think this sums up my point perfectly.
As far as Ball goes, jury is out and we shall see
football fan
Footballguy
Great grasp of the obvious, since Ball is only a rookie, and his coach is known not for starting rookies.
What college does guarantee greatness?
I feel that it is sort of tough to project NFL success on a position level by school. Actually, the more I think about it, it is a stupid way to operate. Look at the Tedford train...four straight busts, then ARod comes along. What happens? All Cal qbs are the product of the system and they suck. Result: a player with a draft grade of 99 falls to the 26th pick.
Wisconsin has great rbs every year, they are not all awesome pros. They have had some pretty good ones though...remember Micheal Bennett? Also, name a university that churns out great players at every position without any busts. I doubt anyone can.
Also, anyone who watches Gordon knows that he is head and shoulders above any of those guys, including Ball. He does not average 8 yards a carry by accident.
The FBGs who are lamenting the loss of their 1.1 pick do know what they speak of.
Wisconsin has great rbs every year, they are not all awesome pros. They have had some pretty good ones though...remember Micheal Bennett? Also, name a university that churns out great players at every position without any busts. I doubt anyone can.
Also, anyone who watches Gordon knows that he is head and shoulders above any of those guys, including Ball. He does not average 8 yards a carry by accident.
The FBGs who are lamenting the loss of their 1.1 pick do know what they speak of.
beef
Footballguy
Well said. But anyone expecting Gordon going pro was delusional.
