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Captain Quinoa said:
Really would have liked either of the CB's that just went, but there should be plenty of good options available in Rd 2 and 3.  If the board fell this way I think the Browns would look to trade down.  And with Fournette and Cook still available they would probably be able to.  So which way to go.  Fournette would be tough to pass up, but I don't believe they value RB high enough to take one in the 1st, and it's far from their biggest need.  Same with Howard at TE.  The WR's don't really excite me.  OL? Meh.  Kizer/Mahomes?  Nooooo.

So we're back to defense.  Safety is a need, but would be a reach at this point.  I guess we'll stick with BPA.  Sure he's got a bit of an attitude.  But I like that in a LB.  With Garrett already on board, you plug this guy in between Collins and Kirksey and hey we're getting close to having a decent front 7.

With the 12th pick, the Cleveland Browns select   Reuben Foster, LB, Alabama

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I get the reasoning, especially thoughts of trading down with Fournette, Howard, and Foster on the table.  

I'm not sure of the pick because the Browns switched from Ray Horton and his base 3-4 to Greg Williams base 4-3 defensive scheme.  If you saw how we used the middle linebacker last year, it was Kirksey and he played really well.  Jamie Collins played an 'Elephant' where he lined up everywhere.  This matches up with the entire NFL which has gone to playing with 5 DBs on something like 67% of all defensive snaps to counter offenses that typically line up with 3 WRs and 4 WR sets.

Foster is a middle LB, the same spot occupied by Kirksey and with Jamie Collins as the 'Elephant' roaming MLB/OLB pass rusher Foster would be off the field for the majority of the defensive snaps.  Kirksey and Collins virtually never come off the field.  If the draft fell as it has in this mock then Foster is BPA but he would not see the field on the Browns defense for the majority of snaps.

The Browns 'could' use another OLB who could rush the passer.  Someone like the Bama OLB Tim Williams who I really like but he's got off-field 'issues' or the Combine darling Hassan Riddick.  I really like Tim Williams but I don't think we'd touch him with rumors of drug use.

TE is a luxury position but we don't currently have a three-down TE who can block like an in-line TE and also stretch the field.  Barnidge and Seth DeValve are lacking in the blocking department and Gary is 32.  Add, we just lost slot WR Andrew Hawkins and, so far none of the four rookie WRs from last year have really stepped up.  OJ Howard wouldn't come off the field and he 'looks' like a safe pick.  Also, Hue Jackson and his staff coached Howard at the Senior Bowl so they know him and have the inside track on him and he 'reportedly' impressed every scout covering the practices and game.

 I like Foster, he is vicious but he wouldn't have a full time spot on Greg Williams defense so I don't think he would be considered over an OLB-pass rusher or a three-down TE like Howard.  I don't think the NFL draft will fall like this mock.  I think we will see a few 'surprise' picks and we'll have a few good players to choose from with the 12th pick.

 
Andy Dufresne said:
I don't think that's right for the Cardinals. Arians thinks it takes a while for linemen to develop anyway and now they finally have Humphries in a playable condition.

They're losing too much defensive talent to go o-o-line in the first.

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Read that PFF blurb on the Cards. They got crushed when they had to play with back ups last year. Fitz and Palmer are both close to the end and there's depth at defense in this draft. Evan Mathis retired and if you read that PFF thing you'll see that once he went down their back ups really struggled. They only have 17m in cap space. If Ramczyk can play inside than they are set for awhile. It gives their offense a shot for this year and it sets up a good situation for a new QB to step into. 

I view this season as a "one last push" season. Jones is on the tag and there's a bunch of older FA players that they might be able to recruit for cheap for 1 season. Plus, whatever I can add later in the draft. 

 
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16. Baltimore Ravens @BoltBacker - Mike Williams, receiver Clemson17. Washington Redskins @BoltBacker - Corey Davis, receiver western Michigan
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Sorry I wasn't here to make those picks, but I didn't want to hold the draft up so I put together a list for those two picks. Here are the explanations;

16 BALTIMORE RAVENS - Mike Williams, WR Clemson

I was really, REALLY hoping Fournette would slide to the Ravens as I think Ozzie would love to have Fournette/Dixon combo to mirror the Jamal Lewis/Chester Taylor combo that was so successful to take some of the pressure off of Flacco as he inches closer to his mid-30's. As a QB that leans so heavily on arm strength I'm not sure he'll age as gracefully as guys that get by on pinpoint accuracy like Brady and Brees. RB wasn't the biggest area of need but I think Fournette could have had the most immediate impact on the team by going back to a long-sustained-drive-offense and could have helped the defense stay off the field.

BUT, since he was gone I felt the Ravens had to address one of their biggest areas of need. The CB's were tempting but this is such a deep group of CB's it seems like you might get value later(in the way quality DT's slid last year) so I went with the WR I felt was most ready to start against top flight talent. After losing Smith to retirement, and possibly(probably?) losing Wallace/Aiken to FA the Ravens are almost desperate for WR help. It makes all the sense in the world for Wallace and the Ravens to work out a deal as they are a perfect fit for one another but if I'm sure of anything it's that Wallace will sign with anyone else just so long as they offer $1 more even if it's not in his best interest. Perriman is still anything but a sure thing and the organization can talk unicorn and rainbows all they want about him this offseason but he was raw coming out of college and he really hasn't done much since. In reality BAL should probably pick up a FA in addition to drafting a WR that can help early in his career.

17 WASHINGTON REDSKINS - Corey Davis, Western Michigan

This is another case where a team has lost so much of their passing offense to FA in DeSean Jackson and Pierre Garcon that I think WAS really needs to get a WR early enough that they can contribute right away. Who knows what will happen with Doctson as the last report in late February was he was running drills but didn't look like he was running at full speed yet(!?). Trying to keep up with the health of Josh Doctson is enough to drive a GM to drink........ too soon? I also think they need to invest a pick in RB but again, that is such a deep group it's probably a better bet to get a contributor from the mid rounds at RB than trying to get a mid round WR that can step in and contribute early. I was tempted to reach a bit for Curtis Samual as he would add that game breaking element that the team sorely misses without DeSean Jackson on the field. In the end I felt like Corey Davis compliments Jamison Crowder much better. Hopefully Davis can use his size and mature route running to build a similar rapport that Cousins had with Garcon in moving the chains. 

 
Bracie Smathers said:
I get the reasoning, especially thoughts of trading down with Fournette, Howard, and Foster on the table.  

I'm not sure of the pick because the Browns switched from Ray Horton and his base 3-4 to Greg Williams base 4-3 defensive scheme.  If you saw how we used the middle linebacker last year, it was Kirksey and he played really well.  Jamie Collins played an 'Elephant' where he lined up everywhere.  This matches up with the entire NFL which has gone to playing with 5 DBs on something like 67% of all defensive snaps to counter offenses that typically line up with 3 WRs and 4 WR sets.

Foster is a middle LB, the same spot occupied by Kirksey and with Jamie Collins as the 'Elephant' roaming MLB/OLB pass rusher Foster would be off the field for the majority of the defensive snaps.  Kirksey and Collins virtually never come off the field.  If the draft fell as it has in this mock then Foster is BPA but he would not see the field on the Browns defense for the majority of snaps.

The Browns 'could' use another OLB who could rush the passer.  Someone like the Bama OLB Tim Williams who I really like but he's got off-field 'issues' or the Combine darling Hassan Riddick.  I really like Tim Williams but I don't think we'd touch him with rumors of drug use.

TE is a luxury position but we don't currently have a three-down TE who can block like an in-line TE and also stretch the field.  Barnidge and Seth DeValve are lacking in the blocking department and Gary is 32.  Add, we just lost slot WR Andrew Hawkins and, so far none of the four rookie WRs from last year have really stepped up.  OJ Howard wouldn't come off the field and he 'looks' like a safe pick.  Also, Hue Jackson and his staff coached Howard at the Senior Bowl so they know him and have the inside track on him and he 'reportedly' impressed every scout covering the practices and game.

 I like Foster, he is vicious but he wouldn't have a full time spot on Greg Williams defense so I don't think he would be considered over an OLB-pass rusher or a three-down TE like Howard.  I don't think the NFL draft will fall like this mock.  I think we will see a few 'surprise' picks and we'll have a few good players to choose from with the 12th pick.
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I would be ok with Howard there but I disagree that Foster wouldn't have a place. Collins becomes your "OLB who could rush the passer", Kirksey is your Will/cover guy, and Foster goes sideline to sideline.  I agree it's probably not an ideal pick but if there's one thing the Browns can always use more of it's guys who can tackle.

I do agree that the draft won't fall like this.  At least one of the RB's will go earlier.  Jones/Humphrey would be likely targets.

 
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Detroit Lions 1.21

Tough pick and really an ideal spot to trade back. A non 3-4 edge rush LB isn't usually a spot I want to use a 1st round pick, but this player's athleticism makes him a very versatile LB. Lord knows Detroit needs LB help. He is at least a 3 down guy that can contribute in pass coverage, use his speed to eat up space sideline to sideline and provide 3rd down pass rush.

Haason Reddick LB, Temple. 

 
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The Texans officially offer Osweiler to anyone for any draft pick and/or a grilled cheese sandwich worth 36 Million Dollars.

 
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My thinking is as follows:

- Osweiler was terrible, it was a bad gamble and it didn't pay off.  Houston will eat that one for this year in the Financials and then be done with it.  I'm sure this is the first time a player in the NFL didn't live up to their contract, so it is quite shocking really.

- The old adage "If you don't have a Franchise QB, draft one" applies.  However at 1.25 with Trubiski and Watson gone, (who if they were there I would have considered taking) there is no-one there that can come in and be ready to win NFL games by week 1. 

- Jimmy G looked good for his limited games last year, he is familiar with the O'Briens Offense, hes young and were he to come out and play well COULD be a future Franchise QB. This is a guy who has at least proven (even though a small sample) that he can do it on the big stage, and there is nothing in the draft that comes close to that at 1.25.

 
Meecrob said:
My thinking is as follows:

- Osweiler was terrible, it was a bad gamble and it didn't pay off.  Houston will eat that one for this year in the Financials and then be done with it.  I'm sure this is the first time a player in the NFL didn't live up to their contract, so it is quite shocking really.

- The old adage "If you don't have a Franchise QB, draft one" applies.  However at 1.25 with Trubiski and Watson gone, (who if they were there I would have considered taking) there is no-one there that can come in and be ready to win NFL games by week 1. 

- Jimmy G looked good for his limited games last year, he is familiar with the O'Briens Offense, hes young and were he to come out and play well COULD be a future Franchise QB. This is a guy who has at least proven (even though a small sample) that he can do it on the big stage, and there is nothing in the draft that comes close to that at 1.25.
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I am just teasing. It's not a bad trade for a team in win now mode. 

 
Ilov80s said:
I am just teasing. It's not a bad trade for a team in win now mode. 
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I know...no worries, if this happened in real life I would actually be thrilled. 

Im just a little very tired of the Media constantly barking about how Osweiler didn't live up to his paycheck, as if there aren't 20 other players in the last 2-3 years who haven't done that, yet since its a QB, we have to hear about it every day.  Id rather hear about what Vince Wilfork is cooking in his smoker this weekend.

 
Meecrob said:
The Texans officially offer Osweiler to anyone for any draft pick and/or a grilled cheese sandwich worth 36 Million Dollars.
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The smart move is for the Texans to pay a couple of guys to drive down from Jersey and make Osweiler just disappear, if you get my drift. ?

 
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I'm out at a job fair for a couple of hours.  I'll try to check in but if someone else can keep this rolling, thanks! 

The 1.25 is basically picked already. 

 
I like the Garoppolo trade in part because unlike Romo, Garoppolo won't cost much this year so he fits in with their salary cap for this year despite the money they owe Osweiler.  They would have to sign him to a long term deal, but that would start next year, at which time they could cut Osweiler.  I can see them recouping a pick by trying to trade Savage for a late round pick to a team like SF, who IIRC doesn't have any QBs under contract so they need to obtain a few QBs.

 
Bill B. - "Hey, Bill, it's Bill.  Yeah, I know I hosed you last time with Ryan, but it'll be different this time. I promise.  How about the 25th pick?"

Bill O - "Sure!  I know you're just trying to help me out!"

:click:

Bill B. - :lol: Man that guy is gullible.

 
Miami Dolphins pick 1.22 select TE Evan Engram of old Miss. 

Other considerations were linebacker and cornerback, but some of the better players at those positions already selected.

This gives Miami a move TE who can create match up problems and gives RT another weapon to work with.

 
Bracie Smathers said:
I get the reasoning, especially thoughts of trading down with Fournette, Howard, and Foster on the table.  

I'm not sure of the pick because the Browns switched from Ray Horton and his base 3-4 to Greg Williams base 4-3 defensive scheme.  If you saw how we used the middle linebacker last year, it was Kirksey and he played really well.  Jamie Collins played an 'Elephant' where he lined up everywhere.  This matches up with the entire NFL which has gone to playing with 5 DBs on something like 67% of all defensive snaps to counter offenses that typically line up with 3 WRs and 4 WR sets.

Foster is a middle LB, the same spot occupied by Kirksey and with Jamie Collins as the 'Elephant' roaming MLB/OLB pass rusher Foster would be off the field for the majority of the defensive snaps.  Kirksey and Collins virtually never come off the field.  If the draft fell as it has in this mock then Foster is BPA but he would not see the field on the Browns defense for the majority of snaps.

The Browns 'could' use another OLB who could rush the passer.  Someone like the Bama OLB Tim Williams who I really like but he's got off-field 'issues' or the Combine darling Hassan Riddick.  I really like Tim Williams but I don't think we'd touch him with rumors of drug use.

TE is a luxury position but we don't currently have a three-down TE who can block like an in-line TE and also stretch the field.  Barnidge and Seth DeValve are lacking in the blocking department and Gary is 32.  Add, we just lost slot WR Andrew Hawkins and, so far none of the four rookie WRs from last year have really stepped up.  OJ Howard wouldn't come off the field and he 'looks' like a safe pick.  Also, Hue Jackson and his staff coached Howard at the Senior Bowl so they know him and have the inside track on him and he 'reportedly' impressed every scout covering the practices and game.

 I like Foster, he is vicious but he wouldn't have a full time spot on Greg Williams defense so I don't think he would be considered over an OLB-pass rusher or a three-down TE like Howard.  I don't think the NFL draft will fall like this mock.  I think we will see a few 'surprise' picks and we'll have a few good players to choose from with the 12th pick.
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With the Rams Williams was often playing a safety in one of their LB spots also.

 
Biabreakable said:
Miami Dolphins pick 1.22 select TE Evan Engram of old Miss. 

Other considerations were linebacker and cornerback, but some of the better players at those positions already selected.

This gives Miami a move TE who can create match up problems and gives RT another weapon to work with.
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Some interesting weapons in Miami with Landry, Parker, Julius and Engram. I am not too hip on Engram's game and Thomas might be a short term solution but I would worry those 2 TEs and Landry all operate in a similar capacity. 

 
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With the 23rd pick the NY Giants select:

TE David Njoku from Miami 

Raw, explosive talent that will help open up space on the field 

.....was planning on Engram here, but will settle for Njoku - could of taken a flyer on a OT here (Bolles) or a LB, but feel there will be enough depth in 2nd round this year to nab a starter.

Also, Eli has 2-3 years left tops, and Giants need to vault the offensive scoring into the top half of the league to compete with the NFL east.  

 
SleepyIDP said:
With the 23rd pick the NY Giants select:

TE David Njoku from Miami 

Raw, explosive talent that will help open up space on the field 

.....was planning on Engram here, but will settle for Njoku - could of taken a flyer on a OT here (Bolles) or a LB, but feel there will be enough depth in 2nd round this year to nab a starter.

Also, Eli has 2-3 years left tops, and Giants need to vault the offensive scoring into the top half of the league to compete with the NFL east.  
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Any worries it takes Njoku (like most TEs) 2-3 years to reach starter quality play?

 
SleepyIDP said:
With the 23rd pick the NY Giants select:

TE David Njoku from Miami 

Raw, explosive talent that will help open up space on the field 

.....was planning on Engram here, but will settle for Njoku - could of taken a flyer on a OT here (Bolles) or a LB, but feel there will be enough depth in 2nd round this year to nab a starter.

Also, Eli has 2-3 years left tops, and Giants need to vault the offensive scoring into the top half of the league to compete with the NFL east.  
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It wasn't a easy decision between Engram and Njoku but I went with the speed.

The Dolphins like to line up a joker TE as a FB whos assignment is to block the backside of the play on zone runs. I think either of these guys can do that. Engram can also help as a blocker from the slot. If Njoku was a bit more polished as a blocker it would have been a more difficult choice.

Adam Gase seemed to like Dion Sims who I think had some excellent blocks at times last season. He is a free agent but I would expect the Dolphins to re-sign him as their blocking in line TE and then Engram takes over the joker TE role that Cameron had but couldn't stay healthy enough for.

 
Ilov80s said:
Some interesting weapons in Miami with Landry, Parker, Julius and Engram. I am not too hip on Engram's game and Thomas might be a short term solution but I would worry those 2 TEs and Landry all operate in a similar capacity. 
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Did they sign Julius Thomas?

If so maybe I need to rethink this pick.

 
Andy Dufresne said:
Traded Brandon Albert for him. 
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Yeah I remember that happening now. I was aware that Albert was gone, but forgot what the Dolphins got for him.

Thomas has been pretty much a non factor since leaving Denver, but the connection with Gase means he has a role for him. From what I recall Thomas was used mostly as a guy to attack the seam downfield. Not as a fullback/joker type guy that I see Engram being.

Them having Thomas and likely re-signing Sims makes TE less of a need for them than I was previously thinking though.

 
SleepyIDP said:
With the 23rd pick the NY Giants select:

TE David Njoku from Miami 

Raw, explosive talent that will help open up space on the field 

.....was planning on Engram here, but will settle for Njoku - could of taken a flyer on a OT here (Bolles) or a LB, but feel there will be enough depth in 2nd round this year to nab a starter.

Also, Eli has 2-3 years left tops, and Giants need to vault the offensive scoring into the top half of the league to compete with the NFL east.  
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Dammit, we wanted Gronk jr. 

I'll update the list in an hour or so.

 
With pick 24 in the draft the Raiders select Dalvin Cook RB Florida State

The Raiders are going to let Latavius Murray test the market and likely let him sign elsewhere. They have been trying to replace him the past 2 seasons. The Raiders did bring in a couple of RB's last season in Washington and Richard. Both did look good at times last season but I don't know if either are bell cow RB's in the NFL. Cook would give the Raiders a bell cow RB one they have been sorely missing for a while and help take the Raiders offense to the next level.

RB isn't the biggest need for the Raiders but Dalvin Cook is just to good to pass up at this point in the draft.

 
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Pats will take the guy I think the Lions should have taken. A guy who will need good coaching, which the pats clearly have. 

Taco Charlton, DE Michigan


Sources Tell Us


"Really, really talented player. You won't always see it on every play so that is going to be a coach's job to get that out of him. Rushers with his size and athleticism are hard to find and they usually go very early in the draft." -- AFC executive


NFL Comparison


Chandler Jones


Bottom Line


"Inconsistent" has been the buzzword that has followed Charlton since coming to Michigan, but he began the process of shaking it during his senior season. Charlton is an ascending prospect with the size, length, athleticism and pass-rushing potential that NFL general managers dream of. What you see today might not be what you get. While his production coming out of college will be modest, he could become a substantially better player as a pro if he's committed to the weight room and willing to absorb coaching. High-impact defensive end with all-pro potential is his ceiling. His floor is solid starter.

@Duckboy up with Seattle

 
Seattle would be elated if the draft falls this way.

With pick 1.25, the Seattle Seahawks select OT Garrett Bowles, Utah

Most explosive lineman prospect in the draft.  Has all of the measurables that the Seahawks typically look for (plus a short shuttle and 3-cone close to Dalvin Cook's).  Still a bit raw, but fits the mold that Seattle looks for.  Considered a couple others, but this is a pretty simple pick if he is still available (and would not surprise me if they try to trade up some if he lasts, especially to 19 in front of Denver).

 
Duckboy said:
Seattle would be elated if the draft falls this way.

With pick 1.25, the Seattle Seahawks select OT Garrett Bowles, Utah

Most explosive lineman prospect in the draft.  Has all of the measurables that the Seahawks typically look for (plus a short shuttle and 3-cone close to Dalvin Cook's).  Still a bit raw, but fits the mold that Seattle looks for.  Considered a couple others, but this is a pretty simple pick if he is still available (and would not surprise me if they try to trade up some if he lasts, especially to 19 in front of Denver).
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Like what I read about him on his draft review.  Has a lot of mean in him and looks like he can actually play tackle instead of moving inside.

 
1.27 Chiefs take

Caleb Brantley - DT - Florida 

With Poe leaving a spot is opened for a new stud DT. Brantley is the highest ranked DT.

 
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