:MERGED: *** Official T.O. thread *** (1 Viewer)

[Loomba]

Given TO's antics etc., I wonder if he is not possessed by demons...he sure is going to play like a man possessed in 2006.

I have never been a Bledsoe fan, and hope he can get him the ball. That O-line is going to need to play very well for Owens to reach his potential this year.

 

[dgreen]

That offense will be balanced

This will be interesting. They were pretty bad running the ball last year, but they certainly tried. They were 5th in rushing attempts, but 26th in YPA.If they still can't run very effectively, I'm not sure how balanced they will be.

I think with T.O. there they WILL run effectively. He will really balance out the offense. Expect Julius to put up some hefty numbers too. He's a very solid value play this offseason.

While T.O. is obviously an upgrade at the position, it's not like their passing game was complete crap last year. They were a horrible running team last year despite having a good receiving corp.

 

[redman]

I'm in on this.  I personally dont see TO as the cancer most on this board perceive him as.  The Eagles as an organization and Mcnabb as a leader (or lack of one) are at fault as much as TO and his agent.

Yeah, and McNabb sure screwed up that SF situation too. Wow, McNabb's the devil!

How's Jeff Garcia doing these days?

Ok, let's take note of the significance of your retort. You've gone in post 1 from saying Owens is not a cancer to implying in post 2 that being a cancer is justified if the quality of your QB is bad enough.

Is TO going to be justified for blasting Bledsoe if the line isn't able to protect him and he starts getting happy feet and throwing picks and incompletions? Is that not being a cancer?

He wasnt a cancer in SF, he was correct. TO's actions in SF had nothing to do with the downfall of that team.In Philly, both parties handled the situation incorrectly, but I find it hard to believe a player who comes back from a broken leg against doctor's orders and is the only player to show up in the Super Bowl is a cancer. Philly pulled some #### on TO, but the media ran the other direction.

Thank you for confirming my statements above.

 

[Loomba]

I am on with you Joe. Would you trade Larry Johnson for him and move up in the rookie draft in a Dynasty league? I just got offered Owens and the 3rd rookie pick for Larry Johnson. Tuff one to ponder. My other backs are Gado, Foster, and C. Brown and I would get a good rookie RB pick if I traded Larry. My curent rookie pick is 10. I would move up to 3 and keep my 10 also. I already have S. Smith so my receivers would be the best. My rb's would be sketchy without Larry but I would play 2 rb-3wr instead of my prefered 3rb-2wr. You get a pt. per reception bonus.

T.O. ill be fine this year. It's next two years when he has to take a 2 and 3 million pay cut he might satart whinning again. lol

I would not trade LJ for TO, imho.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Of course he will be great in 2006. As long as things are ok in TO's world, it's smooth sailing. However, 2007 is another story.

I agree. TO will be huge in 2006. But I think 2007 could be totally different. We'll see how long Owens can hold it together when the Cowboys lose a game and he didn't get the ball thrown his way 15 times.

I do think that a major difference in Dallas versus Philadelphia though, is that in Philly T.O. was clearly not the most important player in their offense. McNabb is their star and absolutely treated as such. He can do no wrong in Reid's eyes. T.O. wants to be the star, the glamor boy, the center of attention. I don't think they're going to have that problem as much in Dallas. Bledsoe isn't treated like McNabb is in Philly.

 

[redman]

And you know this how?

His Ray Lewis Underoos told him so.

 

[Joe Bryant]

I thought this was April Fools day when I saw J posted this. From anyone else I'd consider this a fishing trip. Seriously, when was the last year that he played and wasn't great?

The real question is how many games will he play.

Hi Broadway,Yes, I'm saying he'll play all the games and post a full season of great numbers.

J

 

[JohnnyU]

I think he'll dissappoint.

This a hunch?

what else would it be? My time machine is broke.

Well, what we do know about TO is well documented, so there is no reason for me to go into that again, so I thought you may have some basis for this hunch that you would like to share with us.

 

[Joe Bryant]

This is one of those threads that will certainly get bumped after the first blow up with Bledsoe / Parcells but I'll say it now - Owens will be great in 2006.

Who's with me on the record?

Who's not?

J

That is quite a prediction Joe. Any chance you put your money where your mouth is and make him your coverboy for year 2, FBG the magazine?

Hi Blue,I've been thinking about that for a while... .

J

 

[pokersteve]

Terrell Owens is a great player in the NFL, but we all know that he can be a nightmare for a team's management and teammates. I have heard that there is nothing in the Dallas contract that protects the team from similiar stunts he pulled with the Eagles. If this is true I won't feel sorry for the Cowboys when Owens starts working out in his driveway again.

Steve

 

[sib]

Look at how much the Patriots passed in 94, 95, 96 under Parcells; he wasn't shy about Bledsoe airing it out even with a talent like CMart on his roster (and JJ, MB3, and Tyson Thompson are not Cmart..at least not yet anyway)

These comparisons to the Patriots are superficial IMHO. First of all, the '93-'96 Patriots should be evaluated as if they're about three different teams. The '93 team went 5-11 and had gone 2-14 the year before Parcells took over. Why this is even considered as a comparison to a 2006 Cowboys team that wants to make a deep playoff run is beyond me.

The 1994 team went 10-6 but missed the playoffs. They were little changed from the '93 team overall, but this was classic Parcells in that he had gotten a mediocre team to play disciplined football and win. That's most comparable IMHO to the 2003 Cowboys, but again the Cowboys are much improved from that 2003 team in terms of talent.

The 1995 team actually regressed - I recall distinctly how Bledsoe stunk up the joint with his passing even with rookie CuMar posting solid rushing numbers. The team went 6-10.

Finally, the 1996 team - which in theory is the most comparable to the 2006 Cowboys because it went to the Super Bowl - had Bledsoe throwing for over 4000 yards. The problem was that the leading rusher on the team, CuMar, averaged only 3.6 yards per carry, leading to the question: did they throw out of necessity?

My point is simply this: I'm not sure how much direct comparison can be made between those Patriots teams and the current Cowboys team given my impression that the Cowboys are more talented this year than any of those Patriots teams were.

You have good points; I'm not saying the Cowboys team of this year is more talented than the Patriots teams of 94-96. I'm not comparing this Cowboys team to any of the Patriots teams. My point is that Parcells is not afraid to pass especially if the strength of the offense is in that area (I think most people would agree that Owens, Glenn, Witten as receivers are more of a strength than JJ, MB3, and Tyson Thompson as rushers)Granted Parcells will run more than a person like Andy Reid, but I think Parcells's "conservative" nature is overblown. I think he'll make sure that TO gets more than his fair share of opportunities for those folks concerned that TO can't possibly repeat his Philly numbers.

 

[redman]

BTW - does anyone else wonder how much Parcells will tolerate appearing to call passing plays enough to placate TO before deciding to show he's in control?

I'm not in the habit of bumping my own posts, but this is a dynamic that I have yet to see discussed much here. Keyshawn got his leash yanked back by Parcells 10 years ago with the Jets, so we know he isn't shy in the face of a franchise-caliber mouthy WR. How do people see this situation playing out? I certainly can't imagine an entire season of Parcells biting his tongue during post-game press conferences with reporters asking him if he's throwing the ball enough to TO to keep him happy. And with TO's thin skin (remember the whole "we don't need him to win in teh playoffs blow-up?) how long will it take for a stray Parcells comment in such a press conference to rankle TO?

 

[JAA]

This is one of those threads that will certainly get bumped after the first blow up with Bledsoe / Parcells but I'll say it now - Owens will be great in 2006.

He'll play a full season and produce great numbers.

Who's with me on the record?

Who's not?

J

:honda:

 

[BroadwayG]

I'm not jumping on this until he makes it through training camp without getting fined, suspended, or making a spandex wager with Tuna.

I'll feel good about his prospects for the entire season if this happens.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

I think he'll be great for at least 12 games. He does have that recurring groin thing that tends to slow him down at the end of the year.

 

[ThisGuy]

Terrell Owens is a great player in the NFL, but we all know that he can be a nightmare for a team's management and teammates. I have heard that there is nothing in the Dallas contract that protects the team from similiar stunts he pulled with the Eagles. If this is true I won't feel sorry for the Cowboys when Owens starts working out in his driveway again.

Steve

No flaw at all. He's a cancer playing for the franchise I despise the most. Sounds great to me.

 

[dgreen]

BTW - does anyone else wonder how much Parcells will tolerate appearing to call passing plays enough to placate TO before deciding to show he's in control?

I'm not in the habit of bumping my own posts, but this is a dynamic that I have yet to see discussed much here. Keyshawn got his leash yanked back by Parcells 10 years ago with the Jets, so we know he isn't shy in the face of a franchise-caliber mouthy WR. How do people see this situation playing out? I certainly can't imagine an entire season of Parcells biting his tongue during post-game press conferences with reporters asking him if he's throwing the ball enough to TO to keep him happy. And with TO's thin skin (remember the whole "we don't need him to win in teh playoffs blow-up?) how long will it take for a stray Parcells comment in such a press conference to rankle TO?

I think the Redskins, Giants, and Eagles should all send reporters to every Cowboys PC to ask such questions. Parcells should be peppered with as many T.O. questions as possible. The rest of the NFC East really needs to stoke that fire.

 

[joffer]

I think he'll dissappoint.

This a hunch?

what else would it be? My time machine is broke.

Well, what we do know about TO is well documented, so there is no reason for me to go into that again, so I thought you may have some basis for this hunch that you would like to share with us.

simple, most are assuming this season = good, next season = bad. I don't think it will take that long until the problems start. This guy has the maturity of a 12 year old. One bad game and we're off and running.

 

[JohnnyU]

I think he'll dissappoint.

This a hunch?

what else would it be? My time machine is broke.

Well, what we do know about TO is well documented, so there is no reason for me to go into that again, so I thought you may have some basis for this hunch that you would like to share with us.

simple, most are assuming this season = good, next season = bad. I don't think it will take that long until the problems start. This guy has the maturity of a 12 year old. One bad game and we're off and running.

You might be right.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

simple, most are assuming this season = good, next season = bad. I don't think it will take that long until the problems start. This guy has the maturity of a 12 year old. One bad game and we're off and running.

It could be a while before that happens. Their offense should be top 10, and it comes down to how the young D improves from last year.

 

[TheLaw]

I think a lot of that language you are suggesting should have been inserted into the contract is now not allowed under the new CBA.

 

[dgreen]

I think he'll dissappoint.

This a hunch?

what else would it be? My time machine is broke.

Well, what we do know about TO is well documented, so there is no reason for me to go into that again, so I thought you may have some basis for this hunch that you would like to share with us.

simple, most are assuming this season = good, next season = bad. I don't think it will take that long until the problems start. This guy has the maturity of a 12 year old. One bad game and we're off and running.

You might be right.

This a hunch?

 

[dgreen]

Thanks for the link!

I was wondering who this Terrell Owens guy is.

Psst, steve is just starting a thread to pimp his site. That's what he does.

 

[Couch Potato]

I'm on record in a couple of recent threads on TO saying he'll disappoint. Rather than elaborate again here, I'll just leave it at that.

 

[trollmonger]

There may not be any penalties but there are large roster bonuses each off-season that the Cowboys obviously won't pay if they grow tired of his act. If he wants the bonuses, he'll have to behave (and perform).

 

[cstu]

And you know this how?

His Ray Lewis Underoos told him so.

Some of us paid attention to the trial.

 

[JohnnyU]

I think he'll dissappoint.

This a hunch?

what else would it be? My time machine is broke.

Well, what we do know about TO is well documented, so there is no reason for me to go into that again, so I thought you may have some basis for this hunch that you would like to share with us.

simple, most are assuming this season = good, next season = bad. I don't think it will take that long until the problems start. This guy has the maturity of a 12 year old. One bad game and we're off and running.

You might be right.

This a hunch?

Not really. I think most feel TO will be great in 2006, but who am I to disagree that joffer could be right, and TO implodes in 2006. I disagree with him, but I do respect his opinion.

 

[Ridgelake]

I'm not sure what the definition of "Great" is that Joe is referring to. That said, I'd expect lesser numbers than what he put up in his first year in Philly. Why? Because Dallas has more legitimate places to put the ball.

Terry Glenn is much better than anyone Philly had at WR2. He showed last year that he can still beat single coverage regularly. His biggest games were when teams only gave him single coverage. He commanded double teams. When was the last time a Philly receiver other than TO commanded double teams?

Witten is much better than the Philly TEs of 2 years ago. Yes, LJ Smith came on some last year. But not really in 2004. And I'd still rate Witten as a better receiving threat than Smith going forward.

Dallas' running game, as bad as it has been, is still a bigger threat than Philly's. Teams know that Dallas is at least going to try to run. Can the same be said for Philly?

So I have a hard time seeing that TO will match his numbers in Philly. He won't get the same number of targets.

Now, he will draw double teams. And with Glenn drawing doubles as well, I'd expect Dallas to see a lot of cover 2 next year. This defense will put linebackers single on Witten. Thats a matchup that favors Dallas. It also keeps 8 men out of the box. That favors Julius Jones.

The real beneficiaries of the TO signing will be Witten and Jones. Sure, TO will get his ~80 balls, 1200 yards, and 10 TDs. Glenn will get his ~60/1000/7 assuming he stays healthy. But Witten might do something like 75/1000/8 and Jones might do 1400/10.

So I'd expect some incremental improvement for Bledsoe. Of course, if his line falls apart like it did at the end of last year, that won't happen. Assuming adequate line play, Bledsoe will see improved numbers. But the improvement will be spread around. It won't all go to TO.

 

[redman]

Thanks for the link!

I was wondering who this Terrell Owens guy is.

Psst, steve is just starting a thread to pimp his site. That's what he does.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Could the addition of Fabini and Owens may actually make Bledsoe a viable fantasy starter again?

In standard scoring leagues last year, Bledsoe ranked as the #6 QB, so he ALREADY was a viable fantasy starter.

Not when it counts. His season totals are good, but that's because he's a first-half-of-the-season type QB.

 

[dickey moe]

You know I'm down for this year. He'll have a great 2006 season. As for the 2007 season, I have no freaking idea if he'll wigg out or not.

 

[iLL49er]

go to www.terrellowens.com

when the site loads a song starts to play, TO raps in the 2nd verse...its beyond funny the words he says...ONLY TO

 

[Jason Wood]

The new CBA makes it much more difficult for teams to enforce behavior clauses unfortunately.

 

[Buckeyedawgs]

I bet 10-1 odds his first home TD he runs to the STAR and the fans go WILD!

 

[sib]

is that really him in the 2nd verse?

regardless it's classic. TO's the man with that kind of stuff

 

[dickey moe]

"I'm back. I'm betta than evah. I'm back. And I'm gettin' this cheddah..."

WACK"

 

[glock]

I bet 10-1 odds his first home TD he runs to the STAR and the fans go WILD!

LINKY

 

[Cannon Fodder]

Damn that was painful to listen to, but it was worth it once he started rapping. That man is a fool. I laughed all the way through his part. I can't believe how pathetic that man has become.

 

[glock]

Perhaps this shoulda been a poll...

 

[Bankerguy]

"I'm back. I'm betta than evah. I'm back. And I'm gettin' this cheddah..."

WACK"

 

[redman]

If TO's upbringing is responsible for this behavior and he's not able to control it on his own, then why is it that we never saw this behavior in 1996-1999 or so?

Still waiting on an answer to this one from the TO supporters . . .

 

[fatness]

I think statistically he'll be running about WR8 - WR10 in the league, until any problems hit. "Problems" meaning him not getting the ball enough to suit him, a losing streak, Bledsoe not performing to his expectations. If/when one of those happens he'll begin to self-destruct again, and his performance will suffer or stop. I'd guess that will happen by Game 10 or so.

It's all up to the Cowboys. Can they perform up to Owens's expectations and needs, or not? Or will they just be another team to disappoint him and do him wrong?

 

[joffer]

I think statistically he'll be running about WR8 - WR10 in the league, until any problems hit. "Problems" meaning him not getting the ball enough to suit him, a losing streak, Bledsoe not performing to his expectations. If/when one of those happens he'll begin to self-destruct again, and his performance will suffer or stop. I'd guess that will happen by Game 10 or so.

 

[bagger.]

Exactly. I could EASILY see Bledsoe throwing for 4300/30 next year, which would probably make him the number 1 - 3 fantasy QB.

I would bet you do not do your own projections as you would realize what a joke this statement is.

I don't think TO will be top 5. Top 10 likely, but not top 5.

In Bledsoe's career he has never thrown for 30 TDs and only 4,300+ yards twice. Now that he is in his 14th season he'll do both? Bledsoe has also never been in the top 3 in terms of fantasy QB.

Gotta love the Shark Pool hyperbole.

 

[BigTex]

"I could EASILY see Bledsoe throwing for 4300/30 next year"

These are the sort of numbers people were projecting for Kerry Collins last year after the Radiers acquired Randy Moss. "Hey, he's throwing to the best wide receiver in the league!"

Bledsoe is not, repeat NOT a quality quarterback! He will not approach those sort of numbers! People have to remember that things don't happen in a vacuum.

Kerry Collins went from the 15th ranked QB in 2004 to 9th in 2005 with Moss.Bledsoe was 6th in 2005. I'm not saying he'll get 4300/30, but I can easily see him being top 5.

Before the OL inuries the Cowboys had the #1 passing O in the NFL. (If memory servse me correctly )The injuried starting after week 6:

SD: 226yds 3TDs

Wash: 261yds 1TD

SF: 363yds 2TDs

Oak: 212yds 1TD

Phi: 289yds 3TDs

NYG: 312yds 1TD

Not bad for a throw a way.

 

[gman8343]

at least his experience with the Eagles has humbled him.

 

[Frank Black]

I love it!

What I love about his flamboyance the most is that the guy can completely back it up on the field, and that he works his butt off in practice and during off season to back it up on the field.

 

[UnknownCoach]

TO will be great just like every other season. Health isnt predictable but his antics wont cause a problem with Parcels and Jones running the show.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

Exactly. I could EASILY see Bledsoe throwing for 4300/30 next year, which would probably make him the number 1 - 3 fantasy QB.

I would bet you do not do your own projections as you would realize what a joke this statement is.

I don't think TO will be top 5. Top 10 likely, but not top 5.

In Bledsoe's career he has never thrown for 30 TDs and only 4,300+ yards twice. Now that he is in his 14th season he'll do both? Bledsoe has also never been in the top 3 in terms of fantasy QB.

Gotta love the Shark Pool hyperbole.

Before TO went to Philly, McNabb had never:1) Thrown for 30 TDs (career high 25)

2) Thrown for 3800 yards (career high 3300)

3) Ranked top 3 fantasy QBs (best finish was 5th)

4) Had a 60% completion rate (career high 58.5)

He did all of that and more once he got TO as a #1 WR.

 

[BigTex]

Exactly. I could EASILY see Bledsoe throwing for 4300/30 next year, which would probably make him the number 1 - 3 fantasy QB.

I would bet you do not do your own projections as you would realize what a joke this statement is.

I don't think TO will be top 5. Top 10 likely, but not top 5.

In Bledsoe's career he has never thrown for 30 TDs and only 4,300+ yards twice. Now that he is in his 14th season he'll do both? Bledsoe has also never been in the top 3 in terms of fantasy QB.

Gotta love the Shark Pool hyperbole.

Before TO went to Philly, McNabb had never:1) Thrown for 30 TDs (career high 25)

2) Thrown for 3800 yards (career high 3300)

3) Ranked top 3 fantasy QBs (best finish was 5th)

4) Had a 60% completion rate (career high 58.5)

He did all of that and more once he got TO as a #1 WR.