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Smells like chicken
ban them from postseason play.....ridiculous
Sure. This same team got docked draft picks because the league flunked 9th grade physics.it's the patriot way
People are confusing getting caught and accepting a penalty with automatically agreeing that makes it ok. Getting back to the youth sports stuff for a minute, when I coached basketball, the league rule was that all players on the team had to play a specified number of minutes. All my kids showed up and I played them all at least the time they were mandated to play. Similarly, all players had to SIT a specified number of minutes. I had a pre-mapped substitution schedule, and I had my players log in the exact time they went into or out of each game based on the game clock. I also had people tape the game as video evidence.I guess the "we didn't know it was wrong" angle cant play here anymore so now the excuse is, "well, everyone does it, even our horrible coaches at the juvenile stage of sports"
It depends what "it" is. Videotaping other team's practices? Of course not. Using odd formations to confuse the other team like NE did against BAL? Sure. Listing 17 players that were sick on an injury report when most of them are going to play? Sure. Guys using PED's? No. There are way too many individual items to review here.Sooo... which is it- does everyone do it, or do more teams need to do it?
I don't really have the time to keep at this, but as far as this post goes . . . I can ask you the same question you just asked me for some of this stuff.Also, I dont understand this concept of "bending the rules."
Let's call it what it is- breaking the rules.
Rules state football's must be a certain PSI. Patriots deflate them after the refs examine them. that isnt bending anything
Rules state you cannot film the sideline, or signals from coaches. New England films them. No bending here...
New England has a record of breaking the rules, not bending them.
The Washington Post reports "severe sanctions" are unlikely for the Patriots following their Sunday videotaping of the Bengals' sideline.
Per reporter Mark Maske, a resolution is "possible as soon as this week." Maske's relatively cheery article is at odds with The Athletic's more skeptical piece from earlier Tuesday. The Patriots have been adamant the "mistake" occurred independent of their football operations. Perhaps the league won't have the stomach for another marathon Patriots scandal.
SOURCE: Washington Post
Dec 10, 2019, 3:28 PM ET
He's got a point. What happened here? https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/new-york-giants-pittsburgh-steelers-deflated-footballs-sunday-alert-nfl-121116oh man you're so far gone its not worth it. good day sir
I have never claimed NE has been completely innocent on anything or should be absolved for their actions and indiscretions. (There are plenty of NE fans that thing they never did anything wrong at all.) On the scale of criminal infractions ranging from jay walking to mass murder, each person will have a different perspective and opinion on that scale as to what the Patriots actually did over the years.He's got a point. What happened here? https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/new-york-giants-pittsburgh-steelers-deflated-footballs-sunday-alert-nfl-121116
Its only 8 minutes because they got caught.Holy moly the Pats can basically get away with anything. Does anyone really believe that 8 minutes of footage of the Bengals sidelines was anything more than an attempt to learn their signals? I wouldn't even want to see 8 minutes of the Bengals cheerleaders...ok that's not exactly true.
Interesting that Calvin Johnson never got busted for marijuana yet he says he smoked it after every game. 'Hey Calvin, we are gonna test you 3rd week of March, make sure your are clean'.Not to rehash the same arguments over and over again . . . but every team has done something that has gone against the rules (or had players that have broken the rules). This isn't news. The issue becomes how often and how severe (and how much each individual person can tolerate the behavior).
For example . . .
Plenty of teams have had players that used PED's and gotten suspended. Again, not news. But what if there have been 20 players from the same organization caught? Is that a problem or an organizational issue?
I believe they only test the players for pot/drugs at the start of mini camp. I could be wrong but I remember reading that somewhereInteresting that Calvin Johnson never got busted for marijuana yet he says he smoked it after every game. 'Hey Calvin, we are gonna test you 3rd week of March, make sure your are clean'.
Suspending Calvin Johnson is not good for business.
Punishing the Patriots to the point where they are crippled as a team is not in the best interest of bringing in the cash. The Pats know that any cheating they do will not affect their chances of winning.
or when Ben Rothlisberger raped a woman and no one cared. times sure have changed.You guys remember when Ray Lewis literally killed a guy?
Sure puts this into perspective.
There was that giants kicker who beat the #### out of his wife during pro bowl weekendor when Ben Rothlisberger raped a woman and no one cared. times sure have changed.
plaxico buress shot himself but he was actually punished for that. What an idiot. I still remember when he spike fumbled the football.There was that giants kicker who beat the #### out of his wife during pro bowl weekend
Or when Leonard Little DUI killed and no one cared ...or when Ben Rothlisberger raped a woman and no one cared. times sure have changed.
Pats* fans have played this wrong imo. The victim, poor us shtick is unbecoming of a heel.Every entertainment product needs a villain.
Look at the owner. It trickles down.Pats organization are a bunch of thugs. What a poor excuse of leadership. Horrible for the game.
Or the time a ref knocked a guys eye out with a penalty flag.Or when Leonard Little DUI killed and no one cared ...
Tell that to almost ever single contractor, handyman, home improvement guy. I bet less than 1 out of 100 factually and accurately reports their taxesyeah we should all lie, cheat, and steal to get ahead in sports... hell, to get ahead in life.
"what?! I didnt know I had to report my entire year's income on my taxes..."
The ends justify the means, hey?
doesnt make it right, or mean that everyone should do the same. If one gets caught you think the defense of "well 99/100 are doing it" works?Tell that to almost ever single contractor, handyman, home improvement guy. I bet less than 1 out of 100 factually and accurately reports their taxes
Let's not single out the independent worker. Does anyone trust politicians, Corporate America or those two guys colluding in YOUR fantasy league?Tell that to almost ever single contractor, handyman, home improvement guy. I bet less than 1 out of 100 factually and accurately reports their taxes
I understand shooting some B roll shots to establish scenes. I find it unbelievable that they would shoot more than a few seconds of the sidelines to establish the shot or story. 8 solid minutes, no way. I doubt any documentary producer would buy the story, but what do I know?Holy moly the Pats can basically get away with anything. Does anyone really believe that 8 minutes of footage of the Bengals sidelines was anything more than an attempt to learn their signals? I wouldn't even want to see 8 minutes of the Bengals cheerleaders...ok that's not exactly true.
My understanding is that the producer (on site during filming) is a Kraft company employee. Even if he didn't know the rules, the scout definitely should have known.Doug Kyed on Twitter:
Notes on the Patriots' latest controversy:
-- I spoke to a source who's adamant the Patriots did not intentionally break NFL rules and that it instead was an “unfortunate coincidence." The TV production studio is different and separate from football, as Belichick has stated.
-- The normal photogs who shoot for Kraft Sports Productions were working the Chiefs-Patriots game, so freelancers were hired to shoot the “Do Your Job” segment in Cleveland. Source was doubtful production crew in Cleveland was aware of the NFL rules.
Ray Lewis did not literally kill a guyYou guys remember when Ray Lewis literally killed a guy?
The DA determined there was insufficient evidence to show that a crime had even occurred. Unless you were there you have no idea what happened.or when Ben Rothlisberger raped a woman
All of this is fair and a pretty good read on this.My understanding is that the producer (on site during filming) is a Kraft company employee. Even if he didn't know the rules, the scout definitely should have known.
Regardless, I think this was a monumental f-up (just minor if it was any other team), not an attempt to cheat. Can't imagine planning this out 2-3 weeks ago, just to see the hand signals of a 2 win team when most communication is electronic and the hand signals they do use are, I assume, changed every week.
I imagine the scout and production people are in a world of ####.
The video camera was fixed, meaning it wasn't panning all over the place -- For example, showing the Bengals sideline and then panning to the field, etc... It also wasn't nefariously filming the scout and then panning to the field in secret. This really appears to be clumsy B-Roll footage stuff.The Patriots’ video crew was credentialed through the Browns for the game, and their work in the press box was conspicuous, catching the attention of a Bengals staff member. The producer, who was wearing Boston Bruins gear, set up a fixed video camera near the Patriots scout, and the camera was connected to a monitor, which showed the footage in real time. Anyone in proximity to the monitor could have seen what the camera was shooting.
This is much ado about nothing. But it's the Pats - The ultimate Rorschach test for NFL fans who see what they want to see because, well, they're the villains of the league.And prior to the crew’s trip to Cleveland, the team should have had a protocol in place to inform the crew of the league rules that prohibit teams from shooting sideline video. The producer didn’t recognize that rule, in part because Kraft Sports Productions is granted privileged video access behind the Patriots’ bench during games. (NFL Films and the broadcasting network are the only other two crews allowed behind their bench during games.) The producer didn’t recognize their preferred game-day access was restricted solely to the Patriots bench and not to other teams.
"People who have looked at that (#Patriots) video at the league level feel there is nothing on that video that you could not glean from seeing just a regular television broadcast or seeing the coaches tape." - @judybattista on NFL NetworkWorkhorse said:NFL Network had Judy Battista and Tom Rappaport on from the owners meetings essentially saying that the consensus from the league office is that the filming is not a competitive issue (and was indeed from an administrative mix-up regarding documentary footage about the Pats advance scout and completely unrelated to the actual coaching staff or players) and that any punishment would be light and could come down today.
I've watched a lot of regular television broadcasts of NFL Football and I don't recall any that spent 8 plus straight minutes focused on the coaches giving out signals."People who have looked at that (#Patriots) video at the league level feel there is nothing on that video that you could not glean from seeing just a regular television broadcast or seeing the coaches tape." - @judybattista on NFL Network
Exactly. And it's so weird that it happened to be next week's opponent, right? What an odd coincidence!I've watched a lot of regular television broadcasts of NFL Football and I don't recall any that spent 8 plus straight minutes focused on the coaches giving out signals.
But I'm sure looking forward the episode of "Do Your Job" where it's included.
Just posting what I have seen / heard on the matter. I also heard that the footage was from a fixed spot, played on a monitor in the press box for all to see, and there wasn't any zooming or camera movements. The report made it sound like it was a camera left on without any close ups, nothing to show down or distance, no shots of the scoreboard, etc. NE asked permission and alerted the Browns, they got press credentials, they were exactly where they were supposed to be, and it was not their regular production crew (which was in NE covering the Chiefs game).I've watched a lot of regular television broadcasts of NFL Football and I don't recall any that spent 8 plus straight minutes focused on the coaches giving out signals.
But I'm sure looking forward the episode of "Do Your Job" where it's included.
It’s possible this is an innocent misunderstanding. That said, these guys have been chaught cheating several times and this is exactly how they would respond if caught.Just posting what I have seen / heard on the matter. I also heard that the footage was from a fixed spot, played on a monitor in the press box for all to see, and there wasn't any zooming or camera movements. The report made it sound like it was a camera left on without any close ups, nothing to show down or distance, no shots of the scoreboard, etc. NE asked permission and alerted the Browns, they got press credentials, they were exactly where they were supposed to be, and it was not their regular production crew (which was in NE covering the Chiefs game).
That's likely why people said you could see the same thing on regular TV broadcasts or from the coaches tape. On many / most broadcasts, you can often see what is happening on the sidelines. But people's minds are already made up on the matter, so continue with the tar and feathering.
Hey, I get it. NE lost the benefit of the doubt a long time ago. So even if this was an honest mistake or a simple communication issue, people will be quick to want their pound of flesh.It’s possible this is an innocent misunderstanding. That said, these guys have been chaught cheating several times and this is exactly how they would respond if caught.