Mewelde Moore - Could he emulate Chester Taylor's success? (1 Viewer)

[cstu]

Moore is only 24 and has shown flashes of being a very good RB - just the way Taylor did when he was with the Ravens. Both had trouble staying healthy, can catch the ball well, and consistently average over 4 YPC.

Obviously Chester looks entrenched as the starter, but Moore enters the last year of his contract in 2007 and will be an UFA in 2008 so don't be surprised if he gets traded this offseason.

 

[bumpman]

Chester has not had much trouble staying healthy. He had an ankle injury for a few games last year. That's it. MeMo has had a reputation for not being willing to play hurt and he is not a good blocker. MeMo could emerge, but I don't see a team handing the reigns over to him as the franchise back from the get-go ala Taylor or Lamont Jordan.

 

[fatboyj711]

Chester has not had much trouble staying healthy. He had an ankle injury for a few games last year. That's it. MeMo has had a reputation for not being willing to play hurt and he is not a good blocker. MeMo could emerge, but I don't see a team handing the reigns over to him as the franchise back from the get-go ala Taylor or Lamont Jordan.

where have you heard that mewelde is not a good blocker? i don't think he'd be minn's 3rd down back without being a decent blocker...

 

[cstu]

Chester has not had much trouble staying healthy. He had an ankle injury for a few games last year. That's it. MeMo has had a reputation for not being willing to play hurt and he is not a good blocker. MeMo could emerge, but I don't see a team handing the reigns over to him as the franchise back from the get-go ala Taylor or Lamont Jordan.

I got his injury history from here:http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/...2/injuries.html

Chester Taylor injuries:

Nov 30, 2005 Foot

Nov 23, 2005 Ankle

Oct 12, 2005 Shoulder

Dec 22, 2004 Hip/knee

Dec 15, 2004 Thigh

Oct 06, 2004 Ankle

Dec 31, 2003 Knee

Dec 17, 2003 Leg

Nov 26, 2003 Neck

Nov 12, 2003 Leg

Sep 24, 2003 Hand

 

[heyshady]

Did we really need another thread to prove NFL football players get hurt.

 

[cstu]

Did we really need another thread to prove NFL football players get hurt.

The point was not about Chester Taylor's injury history, but that he overcame it to become a solid starting RB and Mewelde Moore has the potential to do the same. Moore is an afterthought in dynasty leagues right now and could be had for very little. I was interested in seeing what other people's opinion was of Moore.

 

[redman]

Did we really need another thread to prove NFL football players get hurt.

The point was not about Chester Taylor's injury history, but that he overcame it to become a solid starting RB and Mewelde Moore has the potential to do the same. Moore is an afterthought in dynasty leagues right now and could be had for very little. I was interested in seeing what other people's opinion was of Moore.

Moore has the skillset to be another Brian Westbrook, and that's exactly what I thought he'd be when Childress (from Philly of course) was hired. Childress seems to have had his fill of smaller, quicker RB's in an offense that passes 65% of the time, and so Taylor seems to be his guy. I'm still not sure why Moore doesn't get 4-6 carries per game and more passes on third downs though. He's too explosive to limit his role this much IMHO.

 

[bjabrad]

Did we really need another thread to prove NFL football players get hurt.

The point was not about Chester Taylor's injury history, but that he overcame it to become a solid starting RB and Mewelde Moore has the potential to do the same. Moore is an afterthought in dynasty leagues right now and could be had for very little. I was interested in seeing what other people's opinion was of Moore.

Moore has the skillset to be another Brian Westbrook, and that's exactly what I thought he'd be when Childress (from Philly of course) was hired. Childress seems to have had his fill of smaller, quicker RB's in an offense that passes 65% of the time, and so Taylor seems to be his guy. I'm still not sure why Moore doesn't get 4-6 carries per game and more passes on third downs though. He's too explosive to limit his role this much IMHO.

 

[Vikes Fan]

Chester has not had much trouble staying healthy. He had an ankle injury for a few games last year. That's it. MeMo has had a reputation for not being willing to play hurt and he is not a good blocker. MeMo could emerge, but I don't see a team handing the reigns over to him as the franchise back from the get-go ala Taylor or Lamont Jordan.

where have you heard that mewelde is not a good blocker? i don't think he'd be minn's 3rd down back without being a decent blocker...

While he is improving, he still is below average. Most of the time this year, the Vikings have kept a TE in on third down and sent Moore out on a pattern. Several times last year a LB blew him up on a blitz pickup or he completely whiffed. He is the third down back because he has good hands and can make people miss in the open field.

 

[Restricted]

Behind that line, of course he could. He does appear a step or two slower though.

 

[bumpman]

Chester has not had much trouble staying healthy. He had an ankle injury for a few games last year. That's it. MeMo has had a reputation for not being willing to play hurt and he is not a good blocker. MeMo could emerge, but I don't see a team handing the reigns over to him as the franchise back from the get-go ala Taylor or Lamont Jordan.

I got his injury history from here:http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/...2/injuries.html

Chester Taylor injuries:

Nov 30, 2005 Foot

Nov 23, 2005 Ankle

Oct 12, 2005 Shoulder

Dec 22, 2004 Hip/knee

Dec 15, 2004 Thigh

Oct 06, 2004 Ankle

Dec 31, 2003 Knee

Dec 17, 2003 Leg

Nov 26, 2003 Neck

Nov 12, 2003 Leg

Sep 24, 2003 Hand

Getting dinged up is not an "injury history" for the purposes of assessing durability. Rudi Johnson is perpetually dinged but he is one of the most durable RBs around . . . because he plays dinged.Here is Rudi's injury history from your same source:

Oct 27, 2006 Back

Dec 28, 2005 Knee

Dec 14, 2005 Knee

Dec 07, 2005 Knee

Nov 23, 2005 Knee

Nov 16, 2005 Knee

Nov 02, 2005 Knee

Oct 28, 2005 Knee

Oct 26, 2005 Knee

Oct 19, 2005 Knee

Oct 12, 2005 Knee

Oct 05, 2005 Knee

Sep 28, 2005 Knee

Sep 24, 2003 Thigh

Sep 17, 2003 Thigh

Sep 10, 2003 Thigh

Sep 03, 2003 Thigh

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/...8/injuries.html

According to NFL.com, Taylor played in 62 of 64 games during his NFL career prior to this year. MeMo played in 26 of 32 games in his two years in the NFL prior to this year.

 

[MLBrandow]

Moore is only 24 and has shown flashes of being a very good RB - just the way Taylor did when he was with the Ravens. Both had trouble staying healthy, can catch the ball well, and consistently average over 4 YPC. Obviously Chester looks entrenched as the starter, but Moore enters the last year of his contract in 2007 and will be an UFA in 2008 so don't be surprised if he gets traded this offseason.

He's already proved he can produce, and a lot moreseo than Taylor did before they signed him.I don't feel like looking it up, but Taylor had something like 2-4 starts total, and Moore has had like 9 (entering this season). Moore averaged well over 100 yards from scrimmage per start, whereas CT had only two good starts.Do I think MeMo will be a long-term solution? Not if he's forced to carry the load. He needs to be paired with a bruiser inside back, and that's something the Vikings lack.If he starts Sunday though, he's an easy lock for at least 100+, and probably the few games after if CT misses extended time.

 

[TeamDingo]

Where is ANY evidence that the Vikings coaching staff believes that MMoore is able to handle CTaylor's 20+ touches per game?

MMoore could not emulate CTaylor's success.

 

[MLBrandow]

Where is ANY evidence that the Vikings coaching staff believes that MMoore is able to handle CTaylor's 20+ touches per game?

MMoore could not emulate CTaylor's success.

Where is any evidence that CT can handle CT's 20+ touches per game?
+----------+-------------+--------+----+| WK OPP | RSH YD | RECYD | TD |+----------+-------------+--------+----+| 1 was | 31 88 | 43 | 1 || 2 car | 24 113 | 15 | 0 || 3 chi | 20 74 | 15 | 0 || 4 buf | 10 23 | 14 | 0 || 5 det | 26 123 | 31 | 0 || 7 sea | 26 169 | 19 | 1 || 8 nwe | 10 22 | 27 | 0 |+----------+-------------+--------+----+| TOTAL | 147 612 | 164 | 2 |He's had two good games and one long TD run.In fact, by just taking out that one long run, you should notice something:

WK1: 31 att, 2.8ypc

WK2: 24 att, 4.7ypc

WK3: 20 att, 3.7ypc

WK4: 10 att, 2.3ypc

WK5: 26 att, 4.7ypc

BYE

WK7: 25 att, 3.0ypc

WK8: 10 att, 2.2ypc

WK8: Likely Out

He's showing obvious wear, and has a pathetic goal-line scoring %.

If you have him, you should sell him to the highest bidder as soon as you can, which should have been about week 5.

 

[TeamDingo]

Where is ANY evidence that the Vikings coaching staff believes that MMoore is able to handle CTaylor's 20+ touches per game?

MMoore could not emulate CTaylor's success.

Where is any evidence that CT can handle CT's 20+ touches per game?
+----------+-------------+--------+----+| WK OPP | RSH YD | RECYD | TD |+----------+-------------+--------+----+| 1 was | 31 88 | 43 | 1 || 2 car | 24 113 | 15 | 0 || 3 chi | 20 74 | 15 | 0 || 4 buf | 10 23 | 14 | 0 || 5 det | 26 123 | 31 | 0 || 7 sea | 26 169 | 19 | 1 || 8 nwe | 10 22 | 27 | 0 |+----------+-------------+--------+----+| TOTAL | 147 612 | 164 | 2 |He's had two good games and one long TD run.In fact, by just taking out that one long run, you should notice something:

WK1: 31 att, 2.8ypc

WK2: 24 att, 4.7ypc

WK3: 20 att, 3.7ypc

WK4: 10 att, 2.3ypc

WK5: 26 att, 4.7ypc

BYE

WK7: 25 att, 3.0ypc

WK8: 10 att, 2.2ypc

WK8: Likely Out

He's showing obvious wear, and has a pathetic goal-line scoring %.

If you have him, you should sell him to the highest bidder as soon as you can, which should have been about week 5.

Very solid analysis. You really have me in a box here. Thanks again.20+ touches in 5/7 games. 5/6 in games where Vikes were competitive. 1 game remaining on Vikes schedule that is likely not to be competitive.

2 good games? In most leagues 125+ yards from scrimmage for a RB would be a good game. 4/7 games 125+ yards from scrimmage. Game vs Bears 89 yards, hopefully you are not putting guys in your line up against the Bears D every week but 89 yards is not terrible if you had to play him that week. 2 bad games. @ BUF and vsNE.

WK8: Likely Out ????

Hmmm practiced fully on Wed. not listed on injury report.... I'll bite, what are you basing this on?

Vikes Red Zone offense sucks. No doubt. CTaylor will probably have to settle for being a Top 10 RB instead of Top 5 RB unless they fix it. I will settle for that. You go ahead and trade him. I hear MPittman is available.

 

[jafo]

Chester's upcoming matchups are a whole lot easier than the ones he's just had. I hope you bought him because he's about to get a lot more expensive in the coming weeks.

 

[Facenda's Voice]

The problem with Moore is that he's a poor blocker and CANNOT play with pain.

 

[bumpman]

Where is ANY evidence that the Vikings coaching staff believes that MMoore is able to handle CTaylor's 20+ touches per game?

MMoore could not emulate CTaylor's success.

Where is any evidence that CT can handle CT's 20+ touches per game?
+----------+-------------+--------+----+| WK OPP | RSH YD | RECYD | TD |+----------+-------------+--------+----+| 1 was | 31 88 | 43 | 1 || 2 car | 24 113 | 15 | 0 || 3 chi | 20 74 | 15 | 0 || 4 buf | 10 23 | 14 | 0 || 5 det | 26 123 | 31 | 0 || 7 sea | 26 169 | 19 | 1 || 8 nwe | 10 22 | 27 | 0 |+----------+-------------+--------+----+| TOTAL | 147 612 | 164 | 2 |He's had two good games and one long TD run.In fact, by just taking out that one long run, you should notice something:

WK1: 31 att, 2.8ypc

WK2: 24 att, 4.7ypc

WK3: 20 att, 3.7ypc

WK4: 10 att, 2.3ypc

WK5: 26 att, 4.7ypc

BYE

WK7: 25 att, 3.0ypc

WK8: 10 att, 2.2ypc

WK8: Likely Out

He's showing obvious wear, and has a pathetic goal-line scoring %.

If you have him, you should sell him to the highest bidder as soon as you can, which should have been about week 5.

Still fighting the good fight, eh? Everything you say in this post is pretty much completely wrong, including the part about taking out the longest play from scrimmage in Vikings history from CT's stats. At least you are consistent.

 

[GregR_2]

Chester has not had much trouble staying healthy. He had an ankle injury for a few games last year. That's it. MeMo has had a reputation for not being willing to play hurt and he is not a good blocker. MeMo could emerge, but I don't see a team handing the reigns over to him as the franchise back from the get-go ala Taylor or Lamont Jordan.

I got his injury history from here:http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/...2/injuries.html

Chester Taylor injuries:

Nov 30, 2005 Foot

Nov 23, 2005 Ankle

Oct 12, 2005 Shoulder

Dec 22, 2004 Hip/knee

Dec 15, 2004 Thigh

Oct 06, 2004 Ankle

Dec 31, 2003 Knee

Dec 17, 2003 Leg

Nov 26, 2003 Neck

Nov 12, 2003 Leg

Sep 24, 2003 Hand

Better not consider taking Tom Brady then. From the same source:

TOM BRADY

INJURIES

Date Days Out Injury

Nov 01, 2006 Right shoulder

Oct 25, 2006 Right shoulder

Oct 18, 2006 Right shoulder

Oct 04, 2006 Right shoulder

Sep 27, 2006 Right shoulder

Sep 20, 2006 Right shoulder

Sep 13, 2006 Right shoulder

Sep 06, 2006 Right shoulder

Jan 11, 2006 Right shoulder

Jan 04, 2006 Right shoulder

Dec 28, 2005 Right shoulder

Dec 21, 2005 Right Shoulder

Dec 14, 2005 Right shoulder/shin

Dec 07, 2005 Right Shoulder

Nov 30, 2005 Right Shoulder

Nov 23, 2005 Right Shoulder

Nov 16, 2005 Right Shoulder

Nov 09, 2005 Right Shoulder

Nov 02, 2005 Right Shoulder

Oct 26, 2005 Right Shoulder

Oct 12, 2005 Right Shoulder

Oct 05, 2005 Right Shoulder

Sep 28, 2005 Right Shoulder

Sep 21, 2005 Right Shoulder

Sep 14, 2005 Right Shoulder

Sep 06, 2005 Right Shoulder

Dec 29, 2004 Right shoulder

Dec 22, 2004 Right shoulder

Dec 15, 2004 Right shoulder

Dec 08, 2004 Right shoulder

Dec 01, 2004 Right shoulder

Nov 24, 2004 Right shoulder

Nov 17, 2004 Right shoulder

Nov 10, 2004 Right shoulder

Nov 03, 2004 Right shoulder

Oct 27, 2004 Right shoulder

Oct 20, 2004 Right shoulder

Oct 13, 2004 Right shoulder

Oct 06, 2004 Right shoulder

Sep 29, 2004 Right shoulder

Sep 15, 2004 Right shoulder

Sep 07, 2004 Right shoulder

Nov 26, 2003 Arm

Nov 19, 2003 Arm

Nov 12, 2003 Arm

Oct 29, 2003 Arm

Oct 22, 2003 Arm

Oct 15, 2003 Arm

Oct 08, 2003 Arm

Oct 01, 2003 Arm

Sep 24, 2003 Arm

Jan 30, 2002 Ankle

 

[valhallan]

by just taking out that one long run

 

[TeamDingo]

might want to change the title to -

Artose Pinner - Could he emulate Chester Taylor's success?

 

[Marc Levin]

Moore is only 24 and has shown flashes of being a very good RB - just the way Taylor did when he was with the Ravens. Both had trouble staying healthy, can catch the ball well, and consistently average over 4 YPC. Obviously Chester looks entrenched as the starter, but Moore enters the last year of his contract in 2007 and will be an UFA in 2008 so don't be surprised if he gets traded this offseason.

Considering his versatility and speed, I think he'd be successful in any uniform that has a decent OL in front of them - why they didn't annoint him the starter rather than sign Taylor I don't know.I DO know that every team needs two, so I see them trying to sign him to an extension rather than let him walk.

 

[redman]

Moore is only 24 and has shown flashes of being a very good RB - just the way Taylor did when he was with the Ravens. Both had trouble staying healthy, can catch the ball well, and consistently average over 4 YPC. Obviously Chester looks entrenched as the starter, but Moore enters the last year of his contract in 2007 and will be an UFA in 2008 so don't be surprised if he gets traded this offseason.

Considering his versatility and speed, I think he'd be successful in any uniform that has a decent OL in front of them - why they didn't annoint him the starter rather than sign Taylor I don't know.I DO know that every team needs two, so I see them trying to sign him to an extension rather than let him walk.

Yeah, but he's used less in the offense than a great number of RB2's around the league. I just don't understand why they let a guy like him sit in favor of a plow horse like Taylor. Sure, Taylor's a fine guy to feed the bulk of the work to, but that offense could use an explosive change of pace, especially given the passing offense's struggles in pushing the ball downfield.

 

[Marc Levin]

might want to change the title to -Artose Pinner - Could he emulate Chester Taylor's success?

jwvdcw alias?

 

[Marc Levin]

Moore is only 24 and has shown flashes of being a very good RB - just the way Taylor did when he was with the Ravens. Both had trouble staying healthy, can catch the ball well, and consistently average over 4 YPC. Obviously Chester looks entrenched as the starter, but Moore enters the last year of his contract in 2007 and will be an UFA in 2008 so don't be surprised if he gets traded this offseason.

Considering his versatility and speed, I think he'd be successful in any uniform that has a decent OL in front of them - why they didn't annoint him the starter rather than sign Taylor I don't know.I DO know that every team needs two, so I see them trying to sign him to an extension rather than let him walk.

Yeah, but he's used less in the offense than a great number of RB2's around the league. I just don't understand why they let a guy like him sit in favor of a plow horse like Taylor. Sure, Taylor's a fine guy to feed the bulk of the work to, but that offense could use an explosive change of pace, especially given the passing offense's struggles in pushing the ball downfield.

They were supposed to be using him moreonthird downs this game.That didn't happen.

 

[redman]

Moore is only 24 and has shown flashes of being a very good RB - just the way Taylor did when he was with the Ravens. Both had trouble staying healthy, can catch the ball well, and consistently average over 4 YPC. Obviously Chester looks entrenched as the starter, but Moore enters the last year of his contract in 2007 and will be an UFA in 2008 so don't be surprised if he gets traded this offseason.

Considering his versatility and speed, I think he'd be successful in any uniform that has a decent OL in front of them - why they didn't annoint him the starter rather than sign Taylor I don't know.I DO know that every team needs two, so I see them trying to sign him to an extension rather than let him walk.

Yeah, but he's used less in the offense than a great number of RB2's around the league. I just don't understand why they let a guy like him sit in favor of a plow horse like Taylor. Sure, Taylor's a fine guy to feed the bulk of the work to, but that offense could use an explosive change of pace, especially given the passing offense's struggles in pushing the ball downfield.

They were supposed to be using him moreonthird downs this game.That didn't happen.

I have Moore in dynasty, but I really don't follow the Vikings all that closely. What exactly is the plan that Childress has for this team? I can't really follow it (albeit from afar). I definitely understand that he doesn't want to be an overwhelmingly pass-first team like Reid's Eagles have become in recent years, but it seems like they're conservative on offense to the extreme. BTW- What are they planning on doing with Faison?

 

[TeamDingo]

They were supposed to be using him moreonthird downs this game.That didn't happen.

As far as I can tell3rd and 3 or less it's Taylor 3rd and 4 or more it's Moorethat is the way it has been all year

 

[Marc Levin]

They were supposed to be using him moreonthird downs this game.That didn't happen.

As far as I can tell3rd and 3 or less it's Taylor 3rd and 4 or more it's Moorethat is the way it has been all year

yer right - taylor barely touched the ball and got no targets on Sunday - one rush on 3rd and one.MMoore had one target on 3rd and long.

 

[Marc Levin]

p.s - but that was not the case before the last two games. In fact, Taylro publicly stated he was psyched for MMoore to get in there on third downs to help him save himself for later in the season.

 

[pigskin pimp]

Moore is only 24 and has shown flashes of being a very good RB - just the way Taylor did when he was with the Ravens. Both had trouble staying healthy, can catch the ball well, and consistently average over 4 YPC. Obviously Chester looks entrenched as the starter, but Moore enters the last year of his contract in 2007 and will be an UFA in 2008 so don't be surprised if he gets traded this offseason.

Considering his versatility and speed, I think he'd be successful in any uniform that has a decent OL in front of them - why they didn't annoint him the starter rather than sign Taylor I don't know.I DO know that every team needs two, so I see them trying to sign him to an extension rather than let him walk.

Yeah, but he's used less in the offense than a great number of RB2's around the league. I just don't understand why they let a guy like him sit in favor of a plow horse like Taylor. Sure, Taylor's a fine guy to feed the bulk of the work to, but that offense could use an explosive change of pace, especially given the passing offense's struggles in pushing the ball downfield.

They were supposed to be using him moreonthird downs this game.That didn't happen.

I have Moore in dynasty, but I really don't follow the Vikings all that closely. What exactly is the plan that Childress has for this team? I can't really follow it (albeit from afar). I definitely understand that he doesn't want to be an overwhelmingly pass-first team like Reid's Eagles have become in recent years, but it seems like they're conservative on offense to the extreme. BTW- What are they planning on doing with Faison?

Fason is the 4th RB on a non RBBC team. No value.CT is the starter.Pinner is the change of pace.Moore is the 3rd down back.I don't see this changing anytime soon. Pinner has looked good in his limited carries.