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[Ksquared]

There is a way for the commish to exonerate himself. If he put in his bids earlier than some of the other bids, then he would be innocent, as the waiver bids are time-stamped. But if he put in his bids after everyone else, then get a noose.

This was my thought as well. The blind bids are date and time stamped on the previously processed waiver page listing.

 

[yellowdog]

Link to the site?

 

[u999spf]

As stated above, you can check the time stamp of the commissioners bids, compared to the other bids. I am 100 percent certain, you will see his bids were made after each of the other owners bids...and probably a few minutes before he processed the waivers as commissioner.

This guy is 100 percent cheating, without a doubt. You should first copy and paste that report and send it to all the owners. Then let the league deal with it as a whole, but this guy should be kicked out of the league immediately. (find a new owner to take over/run his team for free) - The players should go to the 2nd place bidders. Also find a new commissioner.

Please post an update once its been resolved. I am curious to find out how this was handled

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

I know the Commish should lock himself out of Commish features, and everyone in the league gets a notice when this happens. I assume that looking at blind bidding is a commish feature. What were the bids?

Collie- won with 36- 2nd place 35Mark Clayton- won with 8- Second place 7Kiwanuka- Won with 12- second place 11Brandon Lloyd- Won with 3- Second place 2Hillis- Won with 18- Second place 17I wouldn't have a problem if there was some system to the bids, but as you can see there is none.

It is entirely possible that he bid bigger chunks on all these guys, and got them for less, as usually in blind bidding you get the player for a buck more than the next highest bid.

 

[GloryDaze]

It is entirely possible that he bid bigger chunks on all these guys, and got them for less, as usually in blind bidding you get the player for a buck more than the next highest bid.

I've never seen blind bidding work like that. I've seen active bidding do that, but not blind.

 

[Area51Inhabitant]

I know the Commish should lock himself out of Commish features, and everyone in the league gets a notice when this happens. I assume that looking at blind bidding is a commish feature. What were the bids?

Collie- won with 36- 2nd place 35Mark Clayton- won with 8- Second place 7Kiwanuka- Won with 12- second place 11Brandon Lloyd- Won with 3- Second place 2Hillis- Won with 18- Second place 17I wouldn't have a problem if there was some system to the bids, but as you can see there is none.

It is entirely possible that he bid bigger chunks on all these guys, and got them for less, as usually in blind bidding you get the player for a buck more than the next highest bid.

That would be easy enough to check out because it should do that for every player that had multiple people bidding on.

 

[dagwood]

I know the Commish should lock himself out of Commish features, and everyone in the league gets a notice when this happens. I assume that looking at blind bidding is a commish feature. What were the bids?

Collie- won with 36- 2nd place 35Mark Clayton- won with 8- Second place 7Kiwanuka- Won with 12- second place 11Brandon Lloyd- Won with 3- Second place 2Hillis- Won with 18- Second place 17I wouldn't have a problem if there was some system to the bids, but as you can see there is none.

It is entirely possible that he bid bigger chunks on all these guys, and got them for less, as usually in blind bidding you get the player for a buck more than the next highest bid.

Seriously? So I could just bid my entire bank on all the players I want, and the system would lower my bid to one over the guy in second? That is an F'ed up system.

 

[Area51Inhabitant]

I know the Commish should lock himself out of Commish features, and everyone in the league gets a notice when this happens. I assume that looking at blind bidding is a commish feature. What were the bids?

Collie- won with 36- 2nd place 35Mark Clayton- won with 8- Second place 7Kiwanuka- Won with 12- second place 11Brandon Lloyd- Won with 3- Second place 2Hillis- Won with 18- Second place 17I wouldn't have a problem if there was some system to the bids, but as you can see there is none.

It is entirely possible that he bid bigger chunks on all these guys, and got them for less, as usually in blind bidding you get the player for a buck more than the next highest bid.

Seriously? So I could just bid my entire bank on all the players I want, and the system would lower my bid to one over the guy in second? That is an F'ed up system.

You'd better hope there's another bidder besides yourself who also didn't bet some crazy amount like you did.

 

[u999spf]

mfl does not support proxy style or ebay type bidding. What you bid is what you bid. It does not have this feature available on the site.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

1) Your commish cheated2) Your commish is an idiot

This. Those WW bids should go to the 2nd place team and he should be kicked out of the league. No doubt about it, he cheated.

 

[BoltzNBrew]

Sorry for the hijack, can MFL commishes who are not locked out see proposed trades?

 

[u999spf]

Sorry for the hijack, can MFL commishes who are not locked out see proposed trades?

Yesm they can see your bids if not locked out.

 

[schooner44]

You can also look at the recent logins on the league's home page. The commissioner has no reason to login in with the commissioner login unless he needs to do something like reversing something or over riding a setting. Otherwise, he should use his own team's login.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

You can also look at the recent logins on the league's home page. The commissioner has no reason to login in with the commissioner login unless he needs to do something like reversing something or over riding a setting. Otherwise, he should use his own team's login.

Not true. Sometimes a commish like to sign in to see how something is set up to be used in another league, or question a setup in another league.

 

[bleachercreacher]

I checked the time stamp on the waiver moves, and they were all made after the 2nd place bidder. They were made early in the morning, and not before the waivers were processed. There were actually claims made later, but just not on these players. I mentioned it to 4 other members of the league, and one has the commish password and went in and locked out the commish. He explained why on the message board and we are going to leave it alone for the rest of the season. He called the guys dad to let him know what happened, and he is on our side in the matter. He is going to tell his son what happened, and he is not allowed to log back into the commish name. We will commish the league as a committee for the rest of the season, and if I had to guess the guy won't be playing next year.

 

[BroncoFreak_2K3]

I checked the time stamp on the waiver moves, and they were all made after the 2nd place bidder. They were made early in the morning, and not before the waivers were processed. There were actually claims made later, but just not on these players. I mentioned it to 4 other members of the league, and one has the commish password and went in and locked out the commish. He explained why on the message board and we are going to leave it alone for the rest of the season. He called the guys dad to let him know what happened, and he is on our side in the matter. He is going to tell his son what happened, and he is not allowed to log back into the commish name. We will commish the league as a committee for the rest of the season, and if I had to guess the guy won't be playing next year.

I see one problem, more than one person in the league has the password....probably worked out OK in this instance so that things could be fixed for a bad Commish, but not a good system to operate with IMO.

 

[djmich]

Just a thought, and probably not right, but.....

Maybe he doesn't know he has the ability to see other bids, while everyone else does not....maybe he doesn't know it is completely blind bidding So he is bidding $1 higher.

Or he is just incredibly stupid and a cheater.

 

[bleachercreacher]

I checked the time stamp on the waiver moves, and they were all made after the 2nd place bidder. They were made early in the morning, and not before the waivers were processed. There were actually claims made later, but just not on these players. I mentioned it to 4 other members of the league, and one has the commish password and went in and locked out the commish. He explained why on the message board and we are going to leave it alone for the rest of the season. He called the guys dad to let him know what happened, and he is on our side in the matter. He is going to tell his son what happened, and he is not allowed to log back into the commish name. We will commish the league as a committee for the rest of the season, and if I had to guess the guy won't be playing next year.

I see one problem, more than one person in the league has the password....probably worked out OK in this instance so that things could be fixed for a bad Commish, but not a good system to operate with IMO.

It's where we've rotated through being commish, and I guess the password stayed the same. I honestly didn't even realize that it has stayed the same. We are all good friends, so it hasn't been a problem until now. Now, because of one idiot we are going to have to be a lot more careful.

 

[J Giles Band]

I checked the time stamp on the waiver moves, and they were all made after the 2nd place bidder. They were made early in the morning, and not before the waivers were processed. There were actually claims made later, but just not on these players. I mentioned it to 4 other members of the league, and one has the commish password and went in and locked out the commish. He explained why on the message board and we are going to leave it alone for the rest of the season. He called the guys dad to let him know what happened, and he is on our side in the matter. He is going to tell his son what happened, and he is not allowed to log back into the commish name. We will commish the league as a committee for the rest of the season, and if I had to guess the guy won't be playing next year.

Having established beyond a reasonable doubt that this guy placed the bids AFTER the 2nd place bidders and by only $1 more in each instance, I can't believe you wouldn't take the extra step and award the players to each of the 2nd place bidders as well.I can understand not kicking him out (this year) because of the history of the league and friendships involved. But to not award the players to the rightful owners seems awfully unfair to the other teams involved.

 

[mlball77]

You can also look at the recent logins on the league's home page. The commissioner has no reason to login in with the commissioner login unless he needs to do something like reversing something or over riding a setting. Otherwise, he should use his own team's login.

Not true. Sometimes a commish like to sign in to see how something is set up to be used in another league, or question a setup in another league.

I'm with you on this.I'd log in once in a while to change the game of the week match up on our homepage, as commish, since I couldn't do it as a team owner. Occasionally I'd post something under my commish name as well, just to be a bit more official on a particular matter here or there. And there are some rare occasions where I'd tinker with adding or removing something on the home page or another tab.

But I do agree that the commish abilities lockout should ALWAYS be in place unless there is a clear reason the commish needs to give himself those powers for a very brief stint.

 

[HenryMuto]

You can also look at the recent logins on the league's home page. The commissioner has no reason to login in with the commissioner login unless he needs to do something like reversing something or over riding a setting. Otherwise, he should use his own team's login.

Not true. Sometimes a commish like to sign in to see how something is set up to be used in another league, or question a setup in another league.

I'm with you on this.I'd log in once in a while to change the game of the week match up on our homepage, as commish, since I couldn't do it as a team owner. Occasionally I'd post something under my commish name as well, just to be a bit more official on a particular matter here or there. And there are some rare occasions where I'd tinker with adding or removing something on the home page or another tab.

But I do agree that the commish abilities lockout should ALWAYS be in place unless there is a clear reason the commish needs to give himself those powers for a very brief stint.

I am commish of 4 leagues on MFL and I use the lockout status most of the time. Especially from Tuesday-Thursday until all the waivers go thru this way no one can accuse me of ever looking.The only times I have to unlockout is when someone calls me and says "can you pick up this guy for me" or "can you put this guy in my line up for me I can't get to a computer"

So then I unlock myself put in the move then lock myself back out. I only do this after blind bids have been processed as well.

 

[Badgers Fan]

I once had a commisioner that tried to cheat, about 7 years ago off the top of my head. I beat him by 3 points. I kept double checking becuase he was the favorite in the league. I was pretty happy, next day i notice that i lost by a point. the difference in our teams is that his defense scored a td and mine didnt. he that morning/late night changed defensive td's from 6 to 10. i complained and he did nothing. i talked to the league, we got a petition and everyone threatened to quit unless he changed it. he changed it. i ended up winnning that league and was happy i stayed in. next year, i did not join any league he asked me about. Consider talking to some of your fellow disgruntled league members about this first and get their opinion, before going to the commish (who imo has definately cheated)

 

[footballnerd]

I don't think the commish can see your bids until after the blind bids are processed, meaning he can only see your bids after the fact. Only advantage he gets is knowing your betting history, right?

 

[Mr. Know-It-All]

Post his e-mail address here so we can all send him angry e-mails. He'd never have to know it came from you.

 

[bleachercreacher]

I don't think the commish can see your bids until after the blind bids are processed, meaning he can only see your bids after the fact. Only advantage he gets is knowing your betting history, right?

No, If you go to manually process the waivers it will show you the bids. I'm not sure if someone on here told me that, or if I got it from somewhere else.

 

[unckeyherb]

Just a thought, and probably not right, but.....Maybe he doesn't know he has the ability to see other bids, while everyone else does not....maybe he doesn't know it is completely blind bidding So he is bidding $1 higher.Or he is just incredibly stupid and a cheater.

I was going to post the same thing. We just switched to blind bidding in my main league that has been going for about ten years. I am commish and you would not believe the amount of questions I got regarding this process of waivers. Even though it is called blind bidding, a good chunk assumed you could see other bids, like an auction. This guy could have honestly thought EVERYBODY could see the bids and he sharked everyone by bidding +1 across the board. Outside looking in, it is too stupid to have been intentional. Any person with a tenth of a brain would have overbid a little to pad the numbers. Also, he got no one of any real value. He's not gonna cheat for those turds in week one. Innocent mistake, JMHO. If not, go to house and punch him in the face in front of his wife and kids.HTH!

 

[⚡DEADHEAD⚡]

Is this someone you want in your league? So far we have learned he's a cheater, and idiot, and a d0uche.

Not really anymore. It is a league that started about 25 years ago in the years of getting a USA today and doing the stats yourself, so we are all pretty tight. He is a newer addition, but he is also the son of another member. We rotate commish duties every now and then, so I guess I'm just going to suggest the commish lockout and have someone else take over the duties next year. League dues are $100 and it is very competitive, but I don't want to cause a big fight amongst friends if it can be avoided. Heck, if he cheated to pick up guys like Lloyd he can have them.

If this is a competitive league, you should have some support. One winning bid by $1 is fishy, two is very suspicious, five is OJ Simpson guilty.

 

[FantasyTrader]

The commish isn't locked out, and hasn't been at all this season. Knowing that, is there anyway to find out if the commish did peak? Regardless I am going to suggest we do the lockout.

There is not a way to find out if the commish looked.

Oh, there's a way to find out if he looked. If he successfully won the FA bids on 5 players by going ONE DOLLAR more than the next highest bid...he looked. That's weak sauce by your commish.

 

[footballsavvy]

Ok guys, the commish can NOT see the amount of a blind bid. All they can see is if a certain team put in a bid on a certain player. The commish can also see proposed/rejected trades by other teams if they want to. Again, there is no way for the commissioner to see the actual dollar amounts of blind bids.

Also, MFL does not have eBay style bidding, so that is not what happened in this case. I know this because many commissioners of the MFL site have been asking for an eBay style bidding option for years and they have yet to implement one.

Now there is still a way to cheat without actually knowing what the blind bid amounts where, depending on how the blind bid process was setup. It is called Laddering your Bids. I thought maybe they implemented features to prevent this, but I'm really not sure since I have not gone through the trouble to test it on a dummy league. Anyway, if you have a conditional bidding system set up you would basically bid for the same player starting at $1 in Round 1, then $2 in round 2, etc and this would ensure that you won the bid at the lowest possible price. Actually I'm not sure if its that easy, you might have to also request to drop the same player for it to not process the higher-than necessary bids. You can search this on the MFL forums and there's a lot of discussion about it. When I first joined the site a couple of years ago this immediately jumped out to me as a loophole, but no one in any of my leagues has ever tried it either out of maturity, laziness, or simply never thought about trying it.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

I checked the time stamp on the waiver moves, and they were all made after the 2nd place bidder. They were made early in the morning, and not before the waivers were processed. There were actually claims made later, but just not on these players. I mentioned it to 4 other members of the league, and one has the commish password and went in and locked out the commish. He explained why on the message board and we are going to leave it alone for the rest of the season. He called the guys dad to let him know what happened, and he is on our side in the matter. He is going to tell his son what happened, and he is not allowed to log back into the commish name. We will commish the league as a committee for the rest of the season, and if I had to guess the guy won't be playing next year.

Wait-- you locked out the commish, told his daddy, got him on your side, you're having daddy tell him what the league did and he's being grounded from logging on back in the commish's name?I think you should have to be 13 to play fantasy football. I also think you should have some evidence that the guy cheated. Finally, you should try to handle things like grownups would (not by running to daddy), or at least how you'd imagine grownups would do it.I'm surprised so many people are supportive of these actions, especially considering it's not even clear if it's possible for the commish to see what people bid. Furthermore, it's not even clear if the guy knew he was the only one who could see (as someone else said). It seems much more likely that this was an honest mistake than the guy decided to use his secret powers to pluck five guys off the waiver wire in week 1. If he was that diabolical, he'd use it sparingly throughout the year.Now it's a topic for a father/son chat? Unreal.

 

[bleachercreacher]

I checked the time stamp on the waiver moves, and they were all made after the 2nd place bidder. They were made early in the morning, and not before the waivers were processed. There were actually claims made later, but just not on these players. I mentioned it to 4 other members of the league, and one has the commish password and went in and locked out the commish. He explained why on the message board and we are going to leave it alone for the rest of the season. He called the guys dad to let him know what happened, and he is on our side in the matter. He is going to tell his son what happened, and he is not allowed to log back into the commish name. We will commish the league as a committee for the rest of the season, and if I had to guess the guy won't be playing next year.

Wait-- you locked out the commish, told his daddy, got him on your side, you're having daddy tell him what the league did and he's being grounded from logging on back in the commish's name?I think you should have to be 13 to play fantasy football. I also think you should have some evidence that the guy cheated. Finally, you should try to handle things like grownups would (not by running to daddy), or at least how you'd imagine grownups would do it.I'm surprised so many people are supportive of these actions, especially considering it's not even clear if it's possible for the commish to see what people bid. Furthermore, it's not even clear if the guy knew he was the only one who could see (as someone else said). It seems much more likely that this was an honest mistake than the guy decided to use his secret powers to pluck five guys off the waiver wire in week 1. If he was that diabolical, he'd use it sparingly throughout the year.Now it's a topic for a father/son chat? Unreal.

We've had blind bidding for 3 years and never had issues like this. There is no question that the guy cheated. As far as going to his dad first, it was out of respect for his dad. Had his dad sided with him, we would have handled it differently and gone to him ourselves. The process of blind bidding has been described well enough that if he though everyone know each others bids he's an idiot.

 

[Addai's Adidas]

Ok guys, the commish can NOT see the amount of a blind bid. All they can see is if a certain team put in a bid on a certain player. The commish can also see proposed/rejected trades by other teams if they want to. Again, there is no way for the commissioner to see the actual dollar amounts of blind bids.Also, MFL does not have eBay style bidding, so that is not what happened in this case. I know this because many commissioners of the MFL site have been asking for an eBay style bidding option for years and they have yet to implement one.Now there is still a way to cheat without actually knowing what the blind bid amounts where, depending on how the blind bid process was setup. It is called Laddering your Bids. I thought maybe they implemented features to prevent this, but I'm really not sure since I have not gone through the trouble to test it on a dummy league. Anyway, if you have a conditional bidding system set up you would basically bid for the same player starting at $1 in Round 1, then $2 in round 2, etc and this would ensure that you won the bid at the lowest possible price. Actually I'm not sure if its that easy, you might have to also request to drop the same player for it to not process the higher-than necessary bids. You can search this on the MFL forums and there's a lot of discussion about it. When I first joined the site a couple of years ago this immediately jumped out to me as a loophole, but no one in any of my leagues has ever tried it either out of maturity, laziness, or simply never thought about trying it.

Oh, it's possible. This is my first year with MFL after leaving the disaster that is fanball. I was clicking through almost every setting the week before the first game of the season, the day before our first round of blind bids went were processed. I stumbled into the section that showed everyone's bids that were going to be processed that night. I then went and turned of commish access to the area.

 

[Jason Wood]

Go to the Previously Processed Waivers and look at the timing of the transactions. If your commish put in his winning bid after everyone else, then he really needs to a) explain himself and b) turn the lock out on.

 

[southeastjerome]

Would there be any reason to have lock out off? I'm not sure why MFL even gives the commish the option to see other's bids. Our league is not locked, I trust the commish, but if there is no need to have it unlocked, then I am going to suggest the lock.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

Would there be any reason to have lock out off? I'm not sure why MFL even gives the commish the option to see other's bids. Our league is not locked, I trust the commish, but if there is no need to have it unlocked, then I am going to suggest the lock.

The commish has to have lock off in order to make roster moves for teams, skip draft picks, perform trades for teams in the even they can't, etc. This is why I said it's stupid for MFL to tie the ability to see transactions with the needed commish functions of performing roster moves, trades, skipping picks and other stuff.

 

[LionSlappy]

On MFL is there anyway to find out if the commish looked at blind bid dollars prior to waivers being ran? Our commish bid $1 more than other owners on 5 players. I wouldn't be questioning it if he bid $5 on all the players, but it was all random number. TIA

Dont know if this was already said, but the commish SHOULD relinquish his/her commish duties PRIOR to the bidding, then reassign them therafter so EVERYONE can see this.

 

[Wilbur Wood]

I play in 3 MFL leagues (all run by a guy on this site) and 3 CBS leagues (I commish 2) and have used both for years.

I know most FBG-ers prefer MFL and it costs 1/2 as much as CBS. I've always preferred CBS (probably b/c I also play in a bunch of CBS baseball leagues).

We don't use blind bidding waivers in the MFL leagues only straight waivers. The leagues are mature Dynasty leagues. I never get any email in any of them as to whether the Commish is locked or not so I assume that he's never locked out. I don't get the sense that anything fishy is going on but I guess there could be some advantage if one wanted to "spy on" proposed trades on proposed WW picksup (again non-bidding ones). The guy commishes a lot of leagues so I am sure that it would be an administrative pain the ### to constantly relog in every time (I know I get annoyed just having to do it when the season refreshes or if I'm accessing it from a hotel or someplace else).

CBS is set up such that the Commish rights don't really allow for any of this. There is no visibility into proposed trades, waiver bids, waiver claims, etc. I guess you could go in and "cheat" by changing someone's starting lineup or your own after the games have already been played but unless your league is a complete bunch of idiots I can't imagine anyone getting away with nonsense like that.

Thus, for someone like me that plays in several football and baseball leagues I would be hesitent to join a high stakes MFL league given the potential commish abuse powers. I am too busy to monitor each week as to when the commish powers are on or off and certainly wouldn't relish that additional hassle myself if I were running a league.

 

[footballsavvy]

Would there be any reason to have lock out off? I'm not sure why MFL even gives the commish the option to see other's bids. Our league is not locked, I trust the commish, but if there is no need to have it unlocked, then I am going to suggest the lock.

The commish has to have lock off in order to make roster moves for teams, skip draft picks, perform trades for teams in the even they can't, etc. This is why I said it's stupid for MFL to tie the ability to see transactions with the needed commish functions of performing roster moves, trades, skipping picks and other stuff.

I've been asking for this for awhile and they just ignore me. Its asinine to have to lockout all commish functions along with the transaction stuff. I have never had to look at the transactions as commish. They need to just have a separate transaction lockout function. I have to log on as commish all the time because we use contracts and league currency and I am having to adjust things and add accounting transactions almost daily.

 

[footballsavvy]

Ok guys, the commish can NOT see the amount of a blind bid. All they can see is if a certain team put in a bid on a certain player. The commish can also see proposed/rejected trades by other teams if they want to. Again, there is no way for the commissioner to see the actual dollar amounts of blind bids.Also, MFL does not have eBay style bidding, so that is not what happened in this case. I know this because many commissioners of the MFL site have been asking for an eBay style bidding option for years and they have yet to implement one.Now there is still a way to cheat without actually knowing what the blind bid amounts where, depending on how the blind bid process was setup. It is called Laddering your Bids. I thought maybe they implemented features to prevent this, but I'm really not sure since I have not gone through the trouble to test it on a dummy league. Anyway, if you have a conditional bidding system set up you would basically bid for the same player starting at $1 in Round 1, then $2 in round 2, etc and this would ensure that you won the bid at the lowest possible price. Actually I'm not sure if its that easy, you might have to also request to drop the same player for it to not process the higher-than necessary bids. You can search this on the MFL forums and there's a lot of discussion about it. When I first joined the site a couple of years ago this immediately jumped out to me as a loophole, but no one in any of my leagues has ever tried it either out of maturity, laziness, or simply never thought about trying it.

Oh, it's possible. This is my first year with MFL after leaving the disaster that is fanball. I was clicking through almost every setting the week before the first game of the season, the day before our first round of blind bids went were processed. I stumbled into the section that showed everyone's bids that were going to be processed that night. I then went and turned of commish access to the area.

You can see their player requests but not their blind bid amounts.

 

[bleachercreacher]

Ok guys, the commish can NOT see the amount of a blind bid. All they can see is if a certain team put in a bid on a certain player. The commish can also see proposed/rejected trades by other teams if they want to. Again, there is no way for the commissioner to see the actual dollar amounts of blind bids.Also, MFL does not have eBay style bidding, so that is not what happened in this case. I know this because many commissioners of the MFL site have been asking for an eBay style bidding option for years and they have yet to implement one.Now there is still a way to cheat without actually knowing what the blind bid amounts where, depending on how the blind bid process was setup. It is called Laddering your Bids. I thought maybe they implemented features to prevent this, but I'm really not sure since I have not gone through the trouble to test it on a dummy league. Anyway, if you have a conditional bidding system set up you would basically bid for the same player starting at $1 in Round 1, then $2 in round 2, etc and this would ensure that you won the bid at the lowest possible price. Actually I'm not sure if its that easy, you might have to also request to drop the same player for it to not process the higher-than necessary bids. You can search this on the MFL forums and there's a lot of discussion about it. When I first joined the site a couple of years ago this immediately jumped out to me as a loophole, but no one in any of my leagues has ever tried it either out of maturity, laziness, or simply never thought about trying it.

Oh, it's possible. This is my first year with MFL after leaving the disaster that is fanball. I was clicking through almost every setting the week before the first game of the season, the day before our first round of blind bids went were processed. I stumbled into the section that showed everyone's bids that were going to be processed that night. I then went and turned of commish access to the area.

You can see their player requests but not their blind bid amounts.

You can see the amounts and who the winning bidder is if you go to process waivers. We ran a test and found out. You have to go in like you are processing the waivers and there is a page of drop down menus with everyones players and bids.

 

[BroncoFreak_2K3]

Ok guys, the commish can NOT see the amount of a blind bid. All they can see is if a certain team put in a bid on a certain player. The commish can also see proposed/rejected trades by other teams if they want to. Again, there is no way for the commissioner to see the actual dollar amounts of blind bids.Also, MFL does not have eBay style bidding, so that is not what happened in this case. I know this because many commissioners of the MFL site have been asking for an eBay style bidding option for years and they have yet to implement one.Now there is still a way to cheat without actually knowing what the blind bid amounts where, depending on how the blind bid process was setup. It is called Laddering your Bids. I thought maybe they implemented features to prevent this, but I'm really not sure since I have not gone through the trouble to test it on a dummy league. Anyway, if you have a conditional bidding system set up you would basically bid for the same player starting at $1 in Round 1, then $2 in round 2, etc and this would ensure that you won the bid at the lowest possible price. Actually I'm not sure if its that easy, you might have to also request to drop the same player for it to not process the higher-than necessary bids. You can search this on the MFL forums and there's a lot of discussion about it. When I first joined the site a couple of years ago this immediately jumped out to me as a loophole, but no one in any of my leagues has ever tried it either out of maturity, laziness, or simply never thought about trying it.

Oh, it's possible. This is my first year with MFL after leaving the disaster that is fanball. I was clicking through almost every setting the week before the first game of the season, the day before our first round of blind bids went were processed. I stumbled into the section that showed everyone's bids that were going to be processed that night. I then went and turned of commish access to the area.

You can see their player requests but not their blind bid amounts.

You can see the amounts and who the winning bidder is if you go to process waivers. We ran a test and found out. You have to go in like you are processing the waivers and there is a page of drop down menus with everyones players and bids.

this is exactly right

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

I know the Commish should lock himself out of Commish features, and everyone in the league gets a notice when this happens. I assume that looking at blind bidding is a commish feature. What were the bids?

Collie- won with 36- 2nd place 35Mark Clayton- won with 8- Second place 7Kiwanuka- Won with 12- second place 11Brandon Lloyd- Won with 3- Second place 2Hillis- Won with 18- Second place 17I wouldn't have a problem if there was some system to the bids, but as you can see there is none.

It is entirely possible that he bid bigger chunks on all these guys, and got them for less, as usually in blind bidding you get the player for a buck more than the next highest bid.

Not really? It kind of makes it fun because people try and bid the least they need, and some just bid really high. Many people have been 'stuck' with bids, where they had no intention of getting a player, but tried to bump up a player that X would obviously going big on.It also is nice in that peope still have more FA to use in general, which makes for more activity and 'action'.Seriously? So I could just bid my entire bank on all the players I want, and the system would lower my bid to one over the guy in second? That is an F'ed up system.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

I know the Commish should lock himself out of Commish features, and everyone in the league gets a notice when this happens. I assume that looking at blind bidding is a commish feature. What were the bids?

Collie- won with 36- 2nd place 35Mark Clayton- won with 8- Second place 7Kiwanuka- Won with 12- second place 11Brandon Lloyd- Won with 3- Second place 2Hillis- Won with 18- Second place 17I wouldn't have a problem if there was some system to the bids, but as you can see there is none.

It is entirely possible that he bid bigger chunks on all these guys, and got them for less, as usually in blind bidding you get the player for a buck more than the next highest bid.

Seriously? So I could just bid my entire bank on all the players I want, and the system would lower my bid to one over the guy in second? That is an F'ed up system.

but you'd be screwed if someone else saw you do this, and say put a big bid on players they felt you were targetting. Or if multiple players had bids. you'd get all the FA's for like 60-120 pts and would have no fa left.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

out of curiosity how old is the son? If he's like 12-14 I'd let dad teach him the lesson and possibly continue with an apology. absent that, the guys gone.

 

[gianmarco]

out of curiosity how old is the son? If he's like 12-14 I'd let dad teach him the lesson and possibly continue with an apology. absent that, the guys gone.

A 12 year old commish?

 

[Addai's Adidas]

Ok guys, the commish can NOT see the amount of a blind bid. All they can see is if a certain team put in a bid on a certain player. The commish can also see proposed/rejected trades by other teams if they want to. Again, there is no way for the commissioner to see the actual dollar amounts of blind bids.Also, MFL does not have eBay style bidding, so that is not what happened in this case. I know this because many commissioners of the MFL site have been asking for an eBay style bidding option for years and they have yet to implement one.Now there is still a way to cheat without actually knowing what the blind bid amounts where, depending on how the blind bid process was setup. It is called Laddering your Bids. I thought maybe they implemented features to prevent this, but I'm really not sure since I have not gone through the trouble to test it on a dummy league. Anyway, if you have a conditional bidding system set up you would basically bid for the same player starting at $1 in Round 1, then $2 in round 2, etc and this would ensure that you won the bid at the lowest possible price. Actually I'm not sure if its that easy, you might have to also request to drop the same player for it to not process the higher-than necessary bids. You can search this on the MFL forums and there's a lot of discussion about it. When I first joined the site a couple of years ago this immediately jumped out to me as a loophole, but no one in any of my leagues has ever tried it either out of maturity, laziness, or simply never thought about trying it.

Oh, it's possible. This is my first year with MFL after leaving the disaster that is fanball. I was clicking through almost every setting the week before the first game of the season, the day before our first round of blind bids went were processed. I stumbled into the section that showed everyone's bids that were going to be processed that night. I then went and turned of commish access to the area.

You can see their player requests but not their blind bid amounts.

Oh yes you can!

 

[ffchamp1]

On MFL is there anyway to find out if the commish looked at blind bid dollars prior to waivers being ran? Our commish bid $1 more than other owners on 5 players. I wouldn't be questioning it if he bid $5 on all the players, but it was all random number. TIA

We have locked the commish out and we have assigned a co-commish that has access to the site as well to ensure that no hanky panky is going on.Tom

 

[Ranethe]

I checked the time stamp on the waiver moves, and they were all made after the 2nd place bidder. They were made early in the morning, and not before the waivers were processed. There were actually claims made later, but just not on these players. I mentioned it to 4 other members of the league, and one has the commish password and went in and locked out the commish. He explained why on the message board and we are going to leave it alone for the rest of the season. He called the guys dad to let him know what happened, and he is on our side in the matter. He is going to tell his son what happened, and he is not allowed to log back into the commish name. We will commish the league as a committee for the rest of the season, and if I had to guess the guy won't be playing next year.

Wait-- you locked out the commish, told his daddy, got him on your side, you're having daddy tell him what the league did and he's being grounded from logging on back in the commish's name?I think you should have to be 13 to play fantasy football. I also think you should have some evidence that the guy cheated. Finally, you should try to handle things like grownups would (not by running to daddy), or at least how you'd imagine grownups would do it.I'm surprised so many people are supportive of these actions, especially considering it's not even clear if it's possible for the commish to see what people bid. Furthermore, it's not even clear if the guy knew he was the only one who could see (as someone else said). It seems much more likely that this was an honest mistake than the guy decided to use his secret powers to pluck five guys off the waiver wire in week 1. If he was that diabolical, he'd use it sparingly throughout the year.Now it's a topic for a father/son chat? Unreal.

terrible post

 

[fsufan]

a good commish is hard to find

 

[Donsmith753]

You can see bids on MFL.

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