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***Miami (7-7) at New Orleans (7-7)*** (+3) o/u 37.5 South Beach rolls thru the Big Easy (1 Viewer)
- Thread starter Ministry of Pain
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Insein
Footballguy
Down to 40 now after that 57 yard play.
2pts per sack (16)
2pts per turnover (4)
6 pts for TD (6)
8 pts for 1-6 pts scored (8)
6 pts for 100-199 yards (6)
40
JaxBill
Footballguy
It was an important possession for Book because Saints have questions at QB and they need to decide what to do with Book after this year
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
There has been shockingly little discussion on how good Waddle has been, especially with as bad as his QB play has been. He’s going to be a really good receiver, especially if Miami can get someone that can actually get him the ball.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
cry me a river
Houston had 10 starters (20+ sumtin players) on the Covid list & figured out how to win
easier to find a team that doesn’t have 10+ cases rn
terrible product
rockaction
Footballguy
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Dolphins with the 2nd highest DST score of the year in our format
(Patriots Week 11)
(Patriots Week 11)
dmac37
Footballguy
Doug B
Footballguy
Forget COVID -- the Saints are also the most injured team in the league ... as in guys missing games, not guys playing hurt.
Opposing fans won't sympathize, of course. This team at full strength is an 11-12 win squad. It's all injuries + COVID. Product is fine when you're not starting practice squad OL at three positions.
Tha Guru
Footballguy
Doug B
Footballguy
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Aren't you a Lions fan? Terrible product? You'd should know
And @Doug B
the LEAGUE is a terrible product rn bc of COVID
Tua has been very good on short quick accurate throws to Waddle. Tonight Tua hit Waddle in stride multiple times. He even connected with Waddle on some throws between 10 and 20 yards, some in traffic. Coming into tonight, Tua was tops in the league in completion percentage, about 70%,l. And Waddle is now 6th in the NFL in receptions. It's been a good match.
Tua hasn't been good on deep throws, which have been infrequent due to bad oline play and his inability or reluctance to scramble and buy time. But he has been throwing deep more often in recent games, like the 40 yarder to Hollins, and the bad INT. Waddle is not a tall WR so he needs to get separation on deep passes, which I haven't seen much of. Tua will never be a QB with an arm like Allen, Mahomes, or Herbert. The coaches are hoping for someone like Brees.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Good Stuff
-Lindsay, Duke and Gaskin total up almost nothing...Miami needs not 1 but 2 strong young RBs to give Tua a solid and strong running game that doesn't require him to throw as often or carry the team and here we are late Year 2...
-Also need a real OL, it has 1 maybe 2 keepers and the rest stink.
Tua still needs a lot of help
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
I love comparing DST settings - it's so much more fun to add things which correlate to good D IRL.
I started Miami last night:
- 3 points allowed (1-6) - 7.0
- 8 sacks - 8.0
- 6 TFL - 1.5
- 2 INT - 4.0
- TD - 6.0
- 2 4th Down Stops - 2.0
- 164 Yards Allowed (100-199) - 4.0
- 3 and Outs Forced - 1.5
- TOTAL = 34.00
- BUF Weeks 2 (30.75) & 4 (31.00)
- MIA Week 12 (31.75) & last night.
Todem
Footballguy
Eichenburg and Hunt are keepers.
Davis makes a good backup because he can play any OL spot when needed.
We need a new LG,C and RT.
We need another good WR
We need a true mauler blocking TE.
Get those elements and we could be a good offense.
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Desert_Power
Footballguy
I actually thought Book showed a bit of progression over his last year in college last night. He tried to move within the pocket and keep his eyes downfield vs bailing out too early (he did way too much of the latter in the Senior Bowl). There just wasn't often anyone to throw to.
He is mobile and can make good throws on the move. I'd like to see how he works in an offense more similar to what the Titans with play actions and rollouts off of a strong running game. The Saints needed to get Ingram going.
Desert_Power
Footballguy
Eichenburg is a keeper, but I'm not sure it is at LT. Ideally, I'd get a better LT and move him inside or to the right.
Someone will pay Gesicki too much and Miami can prioritize more a well rounded TE. Maybe an OJ Howard reclamation project...
JaxBill
Footballguy
@Kat_Terrell: Sean Payton: "In fairness to Ian, it's impossible to evaluate his play. Hopefully we can get a little healthier, get some guys back and be ready to go next week."
@JohnJHendrix: Sean Payton (on Ian Book): "Just keeping him upright was a challenge."
Said it was a tough position for him to be in.
@JohnJHendrix: Sean Payton (on Ian Book): "Just keeping him upright was a challenge."
Said it was a tough position for him to be in.
Doug B
Footballguy
No RBs will be getting going -- the Saints O-line is toast. Three guys off the street last night, plus Carlos Ruiz turning into a massive late 1st round bust. C Eric McCoy can't block everyone.
Sam Quentin
Footballguy
Saints have the worst WR/TE corps in the NFL by a wide margin.
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Todem
Footballguy
Agree on Gesicki. He is one dimensional. But I would pay him like a premier slot stretch TE....Hence why they drafted Hunter Long whom I believe will develop into that well rounded TE we want. It will be interesting to see what they decide to do with Gesicki.
I believe they franchise tag Ogbah and work out an extension for him.
Eichenburg IMO (and like you think) will probably be moved over to the right side and protect Tua’s blindside. What a bust Austin Jackson has been......I know they are not going to give up on him so maybe he can rebound as he clearly regressed this year. He is still very young and on his rookie deal.
What is frustrating is Grier has spent a lot of draft capital on the OL and so far only two out of 8 (I am losing count) guys have really panned out....that is a terrible batting average.
But his 2021 draft is looking great. We landed a lot of bonafide studs (Waddle, Phillips, Holland) and still may land two more (Eichenburg and Long) out of this draft.
Amazing how grim things looked at 1-7. I was really ticked off but they have shown some life (even though the teams they have beaten have all been pretty bad).
We are not a bonafide playoff team.....no way. The offense last night scored 13 points vs a decimated Saints defense. But you can see they are finally figuring out how to use Tua. I am really curious to see him behind a real OL with some real RB’s.
2022 is going to be a critical off-season and draft to take the next step. And it looks like it will be Grier and Flores....with this turnaround they are going no where.
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Doug B
Footballguy
Saints had one walk-through practice and a throw-the-ball-around session leading up to the Dolphins game. Plus a few Zoom sessions. Last night's game was basically prime Chuck Liddell vs. Stephen Hawking in an MMA match.
I had the Cowboys D going in my league and just looked and saw they had 1 more point than Miami in our scoring system.
October: Does Ross fire both Grier and Flores, or just Grier?
December: Flores should get some votes for coach of the year. And Grier is a draft genius, aside from the oline.
Todem
Footballguy
Hell no...........to be frank I would fire Grier. I am just stating why it is not happening. Ross is not a guy who moves fast. And if they actually win out.....he is in no way firing Grier and Flores.
Ask yourself.......are we any different than we have been in th last 20 years?
Nope. Same middling team that is never bad enough to truly rebuild for 3-4 years....never good enough to actually be a post season contender most years and actually win a playoff game.
Same ol Dolphins guys.
They had a shot to draft a franchise QB and blew it. I am still not a Tua fan......he is not elite nor will he ever be. I love how the media is making hoopla about his completion%......well it helps when you are dinking and dunking 5-7 yards a pop.....I am not delusional. We still need a real deal QB to ever go to the promised land and Tua ain’t it.
But this is the hand as fans we have been dealt.....at some point I try to find silver linings to try and convince myself.....that we “have a shot” as Jimmy Johnson said back in 1999.....LOL!!!
Doug B
Footballguy
I don't think 1st place schedules are really a meaningful thing anymore. With the 17-game schedule ... all but three games are pre-determined by division games (x6), conference division (x4), opposite-conference division (x4).
Only then does a first-place team get scheduled two more previous-season first-place squads in the same conference and one from the opposite conference. This year, the Saints got Green Bay, Seattle, and Tennessee.
Desert_Power
Footballguy
You're right, just was thinking it is easier to run block than pass block against the multiple fronts Miami uses. Also still think Wilkins is trash against the run.
Doug B
Footballguy
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
yeah this was basically the Lions leading up to the Denver loss.
8 on Covid, 17 on IR, 25 guys had the flu, and their game plan centered around the 5th string RB. 7 guys from the practice squad and a couple off the street, some of them starting (one with zero reps + the guy with the defensive green dot helmet in his 2nd NFL game.) did not have a full practice all week, on the days they did open the facility they split the squad up (morning/afternoon.)
some ridiculous stuff going on in the NFL this year. the Ravens had 4 new guys playing DB last Sunday - Burrow looked like he jumped from replacement level to HoF.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
The 8-Seed in my league was all but toast and got a magical night from the Phins to propel him and take out the 1-Seed
I took out the 4-seed, looking forward to this weekend
