Michael Turner (1 Viewer)

[Couch Potato]

Why was Turner not picked until the 5th round originally?

I remember reading on this board that year in the months leading to the draft, and he was very highly regarded by some of our draft gurus. Did something happen at the combine or pre-dradt workouts to cause his stock to fall, or are our MB people just smarter than NFL people? Clearly Turner was worthy of a higher pick.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Why was Turner not picked until the 5th round originally?

Good question. He slid several rounds further than a lot of people expected him to, but I don't remember hearing an explanation of why. He graduated as the 13th leading rusher in NCAA history and he has a good size/speed combo so I think he would have done fine at the combine. So I don't know why he slid.

 

[mhrutkowski]

I stand corrected. The supposition still is that the compensation would be a 1st and 3rd and it still seems a bit a stretch to assume that they would automatically be granted that.

It's not a subjective thing. It's automatic, based on the qualifying offer amount.

I can see him getting traded for less than that if no one wants to trade a 1st and a 3rd for him - which I don't think will happen. 1st and 3rd is just the ceiling of compensation.

 

[Assani Fisher]

If Shaun Alexander and Edge were only fetching 2nd rounders, and Marshall Faulk in his prime went for a 2nd and 4th rounder, why on earth would this guy go for a 1st rounder?

RB simply isn't that important of a position. This isn't fantasy football.

 

[broncofan13000]

If Shaun Alexander and Edge were only fetching 2nd rounders, and Marshall Faulk in his prime went for a 2nd and 4th rounder, why on earth would this guy go for a 1st rounder?RB simply isn't that important of a position. This isn't fantasy football.

I agree with you, but maybe age and size of the contract that Turner would sign, compared to the players you mentioned have to be factored in.

 

[mhrutkowski]

If Shaun Alexander and Edge were only fetching 2nd rounders, and Marshall Faulk in his prime went for a 2nd and 4th rounder, why on earth would this guy go for a 1st rounder?RB simply isn't that important of a position. This isn't fantasy football.

Well, Washington picked up Lav Coles for a 1st in an RFA situation. And I'm sure Alexander/Edge make more than Turner will but you're right, I don't think they'll get a 1st for him.

 

[Couch Potato]

If Shaun Alexander and Edge were only fetching 2nd rounders, and Marshall Faulk in his prime went for a 2nd and 4th rounder, why on earth would this guy go for a 1st rounder?RB simply isn't that important of a position. This isn't fantasy football.

Shaun and Edge were 28 and 27, Turner is 25 next year. And, as already stated, in their cases it was as much or more about the $$ demands and salary cap ramifications as it was the draft pick level.Faulk went way too cheaply and the Colts were criticized for that deal by many knowledgeable media people at the time.

 

[PatsWillWin]

RB is not important enough to "burn" a 1st and a 3rd on. Maybe an elite RB. Maybe an elite RB like Reggie Bush. But not for a successful backup RB.

 

[Bad_Mo]

In your opinion, who does he equate to?

He obviously has more value to an LT owner, but is he equal to a RBBC guy (i.e., Rhodes, Addai, etc.)?

Based on the first two weeks of action, it appears that he may get more touches than he ever has. Besides giving LT a rest here and there, it looks like they have him doing more with the injury to Sproles.

Thoughts?

 

[BigTex]

In your opinion, who does he equate to?He obviously has more value to an LT owner, but is he equal to a RBBC guy (i.e., Rhodes, Addai, etc.)?Based on the first two weeks of action, it appears that he may get more touches than he ever has. Besides giving LT a rest here and there, it looks like they have him doing more with the injury to Sproles.Thoughts?

:honda:

 

[pghrob]

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...3&hl=turner

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...5&hl=turner

There may be some discussion of his perceived value in these two. Of course if you participated in these threads, please pardon my giving you the head's up on them.

 

[Otis]

Lots of threads on this. Do a search.

 

[JohnnyU]

Top 5 RB when he has a starting gig (maybe 2007 (RFA end of 2006), but for sure in 2008 (UFA end of 007)). That ought to tell you his value. He's proven that when he gets to play, he really plays. "Burner Turner" has all the skills needed to be an elite RB

 

[Bad_Mo]

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...3&hl=turner

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...5&hl=turner

There may be some discussion of his perceived value in these two. Of course if you participated in these threads, please pardon my giving you the head's up on them.

I did a search, and obviously missed these. Probably due to the fact that they may have been on the 3rd page.

 

[Slinger]

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...3&hl=turner

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...5&hl=turner

There may be some discussion of his perceived value in these two. Of course if you participated in these threads, please pardon my giving you the head's up on them.

I did a search, and obviously missed these. Probably due to the fact that they may have been on the 3rd page.

First page.

 

[Bad_Mo]

Thanks for the input JohnnyU.

Here's a tip for all others posting about how a search should be done, Honda, etc.....don't reply to this. wtf?

 

[BigTex]

Thanks for the input JohnnyU.Here's a tip for all others posting about how a search should be done, Honda, etc.....don't reply to this. wtf?

Bad,Don't take it personal, just letting you know that it's been discussed. There's one on page 2.

 

[Otis]

Thanks for the input JohnnyU.Here's a tip for all others posting about how a search should be done, Honda, etc.....don't reply to this. wtf?

 

[Bad_Mo]

Thanks for the input JohnnyU.Here's a tip for all others posting about how a search should be done, Honda, etc.....don't reply to this. wtf?

Thanks for adding to the thread. Soooo helpful. I guess that's the way the cookie crumbles though, huh?

 

[goonsquad]

Top 5 RB when he has a starting gig (maybe 2007 (RFA end of 2006), but for sure in 2008 (UFA end of 007)). That ought to tell you his value. He's proven that when he gets to play, he really plays. "Burner Turner" has all the skills needed to be an elite RB

If he lands in Green Bay with Aaron Rodgers at the helm, top 5 may be a stretch. I'm just saying.

 

[Despyzer]

I did a search, and obviously missed these. Probably due to the fact that they may have been on the 3rd page.

It doesn't matter what page it's on. There is a "Search" button in the upper right of every screen. Just type Turner into the window and look at the results. It's not hard.

 

[Slinger]

Thanks for the input JohnnyU.Here's a tip for all others posting about how a search should be done, Honda, etc.....don't reply to this. wtf?

 

[Weekend Warrior]

I happen to own Turner in 1 league and would like to get others impression of his FF value THIS season.

 

[Otis]

Thanks for the input JohnnyU.Here's a tip for all others posting about how a search should be done, Honda, etc.....don't reply to this. wtf?

Thanks for adding to the thread. Soooo helpful. I guess that's the way the cookie crumbles though, huh?

Your thread stinks, because several iterations of the same exact thread already exists, with all of the information you could possibly ask for. Just use the search function, guy, and quit being so defensive. Several of us went out of our way to do the search for you and post links.What a toolbox.

 

[Sinrman]

Though the subject has been discussed ad nauseum lately, I'll just say that even though he's a RFA after this year, I could see a team actually going after him this next offseason. The price will be hefty, but if he continues the way he is, there will be some teams that will not want to wait for him until 2008...

 

[Weekend Warrior]

BUMP

 

[Bad_Mo]

Thanks for the input JohnnyU.Here's a tip for all others posting about how a search should be done, Honda, etc.....don't reply to this. wtf?

Thanks for adding to the thread. Soooo helpful. I guess that's the way the cookie crumbles though, huh?

Your thread stinks, because several iterations of the same exact thread already exists, with all of the information you could possibly ask for. Just use the search function, guy, and quit being so defensive. Several of us went out of our way to do the search for you and post links.What a toolbox.

Toolbox this, Ralphie. If you don't like the thread, stay out. Why don't you consider that maybe my search was different than yours and the others that felt compelled to waste time commenting on that I should have done a search. "Turner" vs. "Michael Turner" vs. "Turner the Burner" vs. "Burner Turner" vs. "LT's backup".....whatever. When you use this.... ....you're welcoming defensive attitudes. HTH

 

[OMFG!!]

Thanks for the input JohnnyU.Here's a tip for all others posting about how a search should be done, Honda, etc.....don't reply to this. wtf?

Thanks for adding to the thread. Soooo helpful. I guess that's the way the cookie crumbles though, huh?

Your thread stinks, because several iterations of the same exact thread already exists, with all of the information you could possibly ask for. Just use the search function, guy, and quit being so defensive. Several of us went out of our way to do the search for you and post links.What a toolbox.

Toolbox this, Ralphie. If you don't like the thread, stay out. Why don't you consider that maybe my search was different than yours and the others that felt compelled to waste time commenting on that I should have done a search. "Turner" vs. "Michael Turner" vs. "Turner the Burner" vs. "Burner Turner" vs. "LT's backup".....whatever. When you use this.... ....you're welcoming defensive attitudes. HTH

OMG!

 

[Buckna]

if the general consensus was that he's an elite talent why wouldn't a team give up their first for him? am i missing something?

What you're missing is that it's doubtful he's an elite talent. I'm as big a fan of Turner as most FBG's (I have him on a lot of dynasty teams) but people need to temper their expectations. The vast majority of his yards have been in the either mop up duty this year or when he broke an 83 yarder against the Colts in week 15 last year when they didn't even care. The guy looks very good right now, but so did Jesse Chatman filling in for LT in garbage time 2 years ago. Now that guy can't even make a team in the NFL.

 

[Otis]

Thanks for the input JohnnyU.Here's a tip for all others posting about how a search should be done, Honda, etc.....don't reply to this. wtf?

Thanks for adding to the thread. Soooo helpful. I guess that's the way the cookie crumbles though, huh?

Your thread stinks, because several iterations of the same exact thread already exists, with all of the information you could possibly ask for. Just use the search function, guy, and quit being so defensive. Several of us went out of our way to do the search for you and post links.What a toolbox.

Toolbox this, Ralphie. If you don't like the thread, stay out. Why don't you consider that maybe my search was different than yours and the others that felt compelled to waste time commenting on that I should have done a search. "Turner" vs. "Michael Turner" vs. "Turner the Burner" vs. "Burner Turner" vs. "LT's backup".....whatever. When you use this.... ....you're welcoming defensive attitudes. HTH

Typical ~20ker

 

[Gr00vus]

if the general consensus was that he's an elite talent why wouldn't a team give up their first for him? am i missing something?

What you're missing is that it's doubtful he's an elite talent. I'm as big a fan of Turner as most FBG's (I have him on a lot of dynasty teams) but people need to temper their expectations. The vast majority of his yards have been in the either mop up duty this year or when he broke an 83 yarder against the Colts in week 15 last year when they didn't even care. The guy looks very good right now, but so did Jesse Chatman filling in for LT in garbage time 2 years ago. Now that guy can't even make a team in the NFL.

Turner >>>>>> ChatmanChatman couldn't keep himself in shape, that's why he's not in the NFL anymore. Chatman was more veteran at the time, so he got the call over Turner for a team headed to the playoffs.

And the thing with the long run - hasn't anyone noticed he seems to do that VERY often. Those aren't flukes for him, he does that kind of thing. If you've seen him play enough you can see the talent, it's there. He might not be elite, but I'd say he'd be in Steven Jackson territory if he got the starting gig on the right team.

Turner would put up scary numbers on a team like the Broncos - he'd be the best back they've had since Terrell Davis. I know some might think that's but it's true.

 

[David Yudkin]

IMO, SD makes him the $2 million qualifying offer assuring the first and third round compensation level (that no one will want to give up) and Turner stays in SD next year.

 

[smcindoe]

Semi-related question about Turner... is he really that fast? I thought I'd read that he was slow for a RB and that the Burner nickname was actually a bit of a joke, like calling a big guy "tiny". Any Chargers homers know how his combine was?

 

[Gandalf]

if the general consensus was that he's an elite talent why wouldn't a team give up their first for him? am i missing something?

What you're missing is that it's doubtful he's an elite talent. I'm as big a fan of Turner as most FBG's (I have him on a lot of dynasty teams) but people need to temper their expectations. The vast majority of his yards have been in the either mop up duty this year or when he broke an 83 yarder against the Colts in week 15 last year when they didn't even care. The guy looks very good right now, but so did Jesse Chatman filling in for LT in garbage time 2 years ago. Now that guy can't even make a team in the NFL.

I respectfully disagree. Turner is a talented back stuck behind the best RB possibly to ever play in the NFL. He was drafted late that year because there were so many good RB prospects in that draft. 1 24 Steven Jackson RB Oregon State

1 26 Chris Perry RB Michigan

1 30 Kevin Jones RB Virginia Tech

2 41 Tatum Bell RB Oklahoma State

2 43 Julius Jones RB Notre Dame

4 119 Mewelde Moore RB Tulane

4 128 Cedric Cobbs RB Arkansas

5 154 Michael Turner RB Northern

And just to clear up his long run against the Colts, it was not mop up duty. The Colts definitely cared--the team was trying to go 16-0 at the time of the game against the Chargers last year. The game was 19-17 in favor of San Deigo when Turner busted that 83-yard run. It clinched the game for SD.

"The Chargers went ahead for good on a 49-yard field goal by Nate Kaeding with 6:41 left after the Colts erased a 16-0 deficit with a field goal and two touchdowns in a six-minute span of the third quarter. Then Michael Turner clinched it with an 83-yard touchdown run after rookie Luis Castillo sacked Peyton Manning to knock the Colts out of field-goal range."

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/recap/NFL_20051218_SD@IND

Turner has little in common with Chatman, other than sharing backup duties for LT. Their size/speed ratio and running styles are different.

 

[Gandalf]

IMO, SD makes him the $2 million qualifying offer assuring the first and third round compensation level (that no one will want to give up) and Turner stays in SD next year.

Agreed, but Turner owners can dream can't they??? I can wait until 2008 when he's a UFA.

 

[Cannon Fodder]

Thanks for the input JohnnyU.

Here's a tip for all others posting about how a search should be done, Honda, etc.....don't reply to this. wtf?

Thanks for adding to the thread. Soooo helpful. I guess that's the way the cookie crumbles though, huh?

Your thread stinks, because several iterations of the same exact thread already exists, with all of the information you could possibly ask for. Just use the search function, guy, and quit being so defensive. Several of us went out of our way to do the search for you and post links.What a toolbox.

Toolbox this, Ralphie. If you don't like the thread, stay out. Why don't you consider that maybe my search was different than yours and the others that felt compelled to waste time commenting on that I should have done a search. "Turner" vs. "Michael Turner" vs. "Turner the Burner" vs. "Burner Turner" vs. "LT's backup".....whatever.

When you use this.... ....you're welcoming defensive attitudes. HTH

Typical ~20ker

What does that mean?

 

[Gold Plated Nails]

IMO, SD makes him the $2 million qualifying offer assuring the first and third round compensation level (that no one will want to give up) and Turner stays in SD next year.

I used to think that too David. But now I am of the opinion the Bolts will move him in the offseason. I don't doubt he will get the $2 Mill qual offer, assuring he can not leave on his own. But I do believe he will be traded, for less then a 1st and 3rd prior to the draft.*Obviously this can all change depending on the outcome of this season.

 

[top dog]

So have we figured out what his value is?

 

[Demons]

Otis, typical triple digit attitude.

I was hoping for info on trade value, ff-wise, based on recent trades. Instead the thread is highjacked by the search function police. I've read the other threads and they don't seem to specifically address this aspect.

Can't you guys lighten up some. It only takes one search function posting to get the point across. There are some of us that would rather not have to read a ton of postings that are nothing more than a pissing contest.

 

[Buckna]

if the general consensus was that he's an elite talent why wouldn't a team give up their first for him? am i missing something?

What you're missing is that it's doubtful he's an elite talent. I'm as big a fan of Turner as most FBG's (I have him on a lot of dynasty teams) but people need to temper their expectations. The vast majority of his yards have been in the either mop up duty this year or when he broke an 83 yarder against the Colts in week 15 last year when they didn't even care. The guy looks very good right now, but so did Jesse Chatman filling in for LT in garbage time 2 years ago. Now that guy can't even make a team in the NFL.

Turner >>>>>> ChatmanChatman couldn't keep himself in shape, that's why he's not in the NFL anymore. Chatman was more veteran at the time, so he got the call over Turner for a team headed to the playoffs.

And the thing with the long run - hasn't anyone noticed he seems to do that VERY often. Those aren't flukes for him, he does that kind of thing. If you've seen him play enough you can see the talent, it's there. He might not be elite, but I'd say he'd be in Steven Jackson territory if he got the starting gig on the right team.

Turner would put up scary numbers on a team like the Broncos - he'd be the best back they've had since Terrell Davis. I know some might think that's but it's true.

2 long runs in his last 4 games that both came in the last 3 minutes of garbage time is certainly promising. But to think he's worth anywhere near what some of the people in this thread are saying is ludicrous. There are reasons this guy was a 5th round pick. He quite possibly has the tools to succeed (and as a dynasty owner I'm hoping he does) but no one in their right mind will shell out the kind of compensation being mentioned in this thread. Turner will be in San Diego next year.

 

[David Yudkin]

IMO, SD makes him the $2 million qualifying offer assuring the first and third round compensation level (that no one will want to give up) and Turner stays in SD next year.

I used to think that too David. But now I am of the opinion the Bolts will move him in the offseason. I don't doubt he will get the $2 Mill qual offer, assuring he can not leave on his own. But I do believe he will be traded, for less then a 1st and 3rd prior to the draft.*Obviously this can all change depending on the outcome of this season.

All we have at this point is speculation, and if I'm SD I'm keeping Turner as long as I can for cheap (and maybe even longer). There's still 14 games to go this year and all of next year, and LT has had the biggest workload of any RB through 5 years. That's a lot of time for LT to stay healthy, and by the end of next year that would get LT to 7 years played and around 2400 lifetime carries. There's currently only 17 RB that have had that many carries. So it's possibly they may want to keep Turner even after next year and perhaps consider him as a replacement for LT. Turner might rather become a free agent, but the Chargers might be in the running to keep him. They could always franchise him, but I'd doubt they would franchise a previous non-starter.

 

[qimqam]

Turner looks great but don't discount the system. They are a great running team ...It doesn't mean Turner will go to the Jets and look like LT.

 

[Otis]

Otis, typical triple digit attitude.I was hoping for info on trade value, ff-wise, based on recent trades. Instead the thread is highjacked by the search function police. I've read the other threads and they don't seem to specifically address this aspect.Can't you guys lighten up some. It only takes one search function posting to get the point across. There are some of us that would rather not have to read a ton of postings that are nothing more than a pissing contest.

Are you an alias of the original poster?Here is the problem, if it isn't blatantly obvious enough already:1. There are a million threads on Turner, relating to all of the things you've mentioned above. Several, in fact, on pages 1-3. It's that easy.2. Despite the laziness of the poster to do a search, several of us DID A SEARCH FOR HIM, POSTED LINKS, AND SUGGESTED THAT HE DO OTHER SEARCHES for the wealth of information already out there on this player.3. The poster's response was an obnoxious attitude and sense of entitlement. He needs to get over himself. You apparently do too.HTH

 

[Otis]

So have we figured out what his value is?

Yes. His value is awesome.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Just when I'm about to lock the thread, el-gato-grande goes and posts something useful.

I think I'll merge al-gato's post into another Michael Turner thread and still lock this one.

 

[JohnnyU]

Chargers backup RB Michael Turner is likely to garner interest on the restricted free agent market this offseason.

San Diego is expected to place the first- and third-round tender on Turner, guaranteeing him $1.5 million in 2007. Chargers G.M. A.J. Smith has a weakness for draft picks, so a trade seems very possible. If Turner is on your dynasty league waiver wire, pick him up.

Source: San Diego Union-Tribune

 

[The Ref]

Chargers backup RB Michael Turner is likely to garner interest on the restricted free agent market this offseason.San Diego is expected to place the first- and third-round tender on Turner, guaranteeing him $1.5 million in 2007. Chargers G.M. A.J. Smith has a weakness for draft picks, so a trade seems very possible. If Turner is on your dynasty league waiver wire, pick him up.Source: San Diego Union-Tribune

Sweet. I still say he is the biggest lottery ticket in FF right now, if not for this year certainly for next year.

 

[JMJ]

If Turner keeps performing the way he has been, a team with a late-round pick in 2007 will give up a first round pick for him.

I personally do not expect to see Michael Turner on SD next season.

 

[JayMan]

Chargers backup RB Michael Turner is likely to garner interest on the restricted free agent market this offseason.San Diego is expected to place the first- and third-round tender on Turner, guaranteeing him $1.5 million in 2007. Chargers G.M. A.J. Smith has a weakness for draft picks, so a trade seems very possible. If Turner is on your dynasty league waiver wire, pick him up.Source: San Diego Union-Tribune

Sweet. I still say he is the biggest lottery ticket in FF right now, if not for this year certainly for next year.

In fact... he's a lottery ticket (starter for next year with tremendous potential)... and an insurance policy (the natural handcuff to LT this season)...A rare combo in FF land these days...

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Chargers backup RB Michael Turner is likely to garner interest on the restricted free agent market this offseason.San Diego is expected to place the first- and third-round tender on Turner, guaranteeing him $1.5 million in 2007. Chargers G.M. A.J. Smith has a weakness for draft picks, so a trade seems very possible. If Turner is on your dynasty league waiver wire, pick him up.Source: San Diego Union-Tribune

Sweet. I still say he is the biggest lottery ticket in FF right now, if not for this year certainly for next year.

Calling him a lottery ticket implies an appreciable chance of him being a losing lottery ticket. I don't see it that way. He's more like owning stock options on Google before they went public.