Michael Turner (1 Viewer)

[Driver]

Remember, the Chargers get a chance to match an offer even if a team wanted to give them a 1st and a 3rd rounder.

stbugs covered it, but there's no such thing as matching an offer anymore. There's no way the Chargers could match a zillion dollar bonus if Turner plays more than half of his home games in San Diego county.

Betts just got a 5-year, $11 million contract to stay as a back-up RB in Washington with a $3.5 million signing bonus and a $2 million roster bonus in 2007.Last year, Minnesota gave Chester Taylor a 4-year, $14.1 million contract with $5.6 million guaranteed. Do you think Turner would get a comparable offer from another team if he was traded or in another year as UFA? What could he command? Would SD be willing to pay him that next summer (or more like Betts)? Off the top of my head, I would think it would be worth it to the Chargers to keep a solid guy like Turner who knows the system with the team for the long-term.

I made the Taylor comparison a week or so ago in another thread and I think it's a good benchmark contract he might get as a RFA. Betts got good backup money, not starter money. I believe Turner will get a better contract than Taylor if he hits UFA since he will have many more suitors than Chester did and is a better RB. I'm sure the Chargers would definitely offer him Betts money but there's no reason why Turner would accept it since he'll make at least twice that AND be a starter for a host of other teams. I don't know who Turner's agent is but I'm sure he realizes the value that his client has and he's not gonna re-sign with SD. Although I'm sure SD would love to have him, it's not gonna happen.

So apparently LaMont Jordan got a $25 million contract with $5 million up front -- 2 years ago.And everyone is arguing that Turner will get a bigger contract in a year when he's an UFA. He might but I'd put that ($25 million) as the over/under as UFA next year.If I were SD I think it would be worth it (both as back-up insurance and as successor to LT) to offer him Taylor-type money now ($14-15 million). Maybe it wouldn't be attractive, but maybe it would?

 

[Banger]

Remember, the Chargers get a chance to match an offer even if a team wanted to give them a 1st and a 3rd rounder.

stbugs covered it, but there's no such thing as matching an offer anymore. There's no way the Chargers could match a zillion dollar bonus if Turner plays more than half of his home games in San Diego county.

Betts just got a 5-year, $11 million contract to stay as a back-up RB in Washington with a $3.5 million signing bonus and a $2 million roster bonus in 2007.Last year, Minnesota gave Chester Taylor a 4-year, $14.1 million contract with $5.6 million guaranteed. Do you think Turner would get a comparable offer from another team if he was traded or in another year as UFA? What could he command? Would SD be willing to pay him that next summer (or more like Betts)? Off the top of my head, I would think it would be worth it to the Chargers to keep a solid guy like Turner who knows the system with the team for the long-term.

I made the Taylor comparison a week or so ago in another thread and I think it's a good benchmark contract he might get as a RFA. Betts got good backup money, not starter money. I believe Turner will get a better contract than Taylor if he hits UFA since he will have many more suitors than Chester did and is a better RB. I'm sure the Chargers would definitely offer him Betts money but there's no reason why Turner would accept it since he'll make at least twice that AND be a starter for a host of other teams. I don't know who Turner's agent is but I'm sure he realizes the value that his client has and he's not gonna re-sign with SD. Although I'm sure SD would love to have him, it's not gonna happen.

So apparently LaMont Jordan got a $25 million contract with $5 million up front -- 2 years ago.And everyone is arguing that Turner will get a bigger contract in a year when he's an UFA. He might but I'd put that ($25 million) as the over/under as UFA next year.If I were SD I think it would be worth it (both as back-up insurance and as successor to LT) to offer him Taylor-type money now ($14-15 million). Maybe it wouldn't be attractive, but maybe it would?

The Chargers run a tight cap ship. They don't overpay, especially for backups and $3.5 mill for a backup is a lot when you have Philips to resign, Diehlman who's a FA, any FA's that they may entertain, etc. I'm not sure what LT is getting paid but it's probably not a good move putting probably 15% of your cap money in your starting and backup RB. You're leaving out a big piece of the equation IMO and that's Turner's desire to be a starting RB which is probably as important if not more than the money to Turner (that's totally my opinion but having played sports no one wants to be backup). He's behind the most durable back in the NFL and he gets some carries but I'm sure he'd like to get a shot at being the man on his own team and if he waits a year he will get a good contract offer AND a starting job, no doubt. The starting job will NEVER be an option in SD (assuming LT continues to stay healthy) and with LT playing through most of his injuries he only can only hope for a blowout, a breather or the oddball formation to get the ball.

 

[Trap Play]

(that's totally my opinion but having played sports no one wants to be backup)

Except Ladell Betts apparently...

 

[Banger]

(that's totally my opinion but having played sports no one wants to be backup)

Except Ladell Betts apparently...

I guess the statement should have been...if a player had the realistic choice at being a starter would they be happy being a backup? I don't believe that any team in the NFL would have signed Betts to be a starting RB and he probably believes that as well since he signed for good backup money with the Skins. The difference is that if Turner is a UFA next year there will be more than one team interested in signing him to a long term deal to be their starting RB, that can't be said of Betts.

 

[fruity pebbles]

(that's totally my opinion but having played sports no one wants to be backup)

Except Ladell Betts apparently...

I guess the statement should have been...if a player had the realistic choice at being a starter would they be happy being a backup? I don't believe that any team in the NFL would have signed Betts to be a starting RB and he probably believes that as well since he signed for good backup money with the Skins. The difference is that if Turner is a UFA next year there will be more than one team interested in signing him to a long term deal to be their starting RB, that can't be said of Betts.

not sure I agree with that. He looked better than the option atleast half a dozen teams are using right now.

 

[Kiddnets]

I don't see a ton of potential suitors in this bandwidth of the draft, and as already mentioned, there may not be a ton of difference talent wise for the players that might be available here vs later in the second round in this particular draft.

I'm not talking trade here - I'm talking one of those teams who has an unsexy 1st rounder and a spot for Turner giving up 1st and 3rd for him after he's tendered. The fact that the talent pool is flat only increases that possibility. The Chargers wouldn't have a say in that, being a good "suitor" wouldn't even enter into the equation.

When I rambled off the draft order, my comments were whether that team would go after Turner (even as an RFA). Remember, the Chargers get a chance to match an offer even if a team wanted to give them a 1st and a 3rd rounder. If a divisional foe or leading conference contender wanted to sign him, it would not be out of the question for the Chargers to match the offer unless it was for an astronomical amount of money.

Did the NFL get rid of that poison pill that Minny used to sign Hutchinson? By the way, wasn't Hutch a Transition tag, so does SD get right of first refusal, i.e. Turner has to sign with them? If they tender him, I am not so sure that he has to sign the long deal with SD. Could he refuse the deal and just stay with the tender?The reason why I ask about the Minny clause is that a team could easily insert that into the contract for Turner stating that he has to be the highest paid RB on the team, which SD would obviously not match since for them it means LT $$$ + $1.

I think it has been removed. Can't recall for sure.Turner will get SD a 2nd Rd pick, and I think the Jets will pay that. Any more and he stays where he is, but that is a BIG mistake on the Chargers part IMHO. As a JETS fan we should have traded LaMont Jordan to the Raiders for the 3rd Round pick when they offered it rather than lose him for nothing the following year.

Jets didn't lose Jordan for nothing - they received a 3rd rd comp pick the following year - so by keeping Jordan for the year they lost only a few spots - exactly why SD will not deal him unless they get a very high 2nd rder (perhaps Washington's via NYJ) or a 1st IMO

Kid. I know you are also a Jets fan. Who gave the Jets a 3rd Rd pick for Jordan? It most definitley wasn't the Raiders, and thats what they had offered during the draft.LaMont left the season after Curtis lead the league in rushing. So even if it was a compensatory pick, the end of RD 3 isn't very good value for a guy who doesn't play but COULD have gotten a 2nd Rounf pick for your team.Not sure how Jordans value would have been a 3rd round selection when his stat line was 93 carries and 475 yards over 16 weeks.

Jets rec'd a late 3rd rder in last years draft for Lamont based on the formula that he was a high 2nd rd pick, rec'd a large contract, and the Jets did not sign anyone high priced in FA. The best offer I read about during his Jet tenure was a 3rd rder from Oak. As such - they kept him. Could have had a mid 3rd rd pick in 2005 - instead they got a late 3rd rd pick in 2006 (Eric Smith who looks good so far). So I agree with the Jets keeping him for that little of a drop. Now if they could get a 1st rder or very high 2nd rder that may be worth it.

 

[Banger]

He's running in a good scheme (that suits his talents) behind a good line. Prior to this year his career ypc was below 4. He's an average back in a good situation, not a franchise back.

 

[Gr00vus]

I'm not sure what LT is getting paid but it's probably not a good move putting probably 15% of your cap money in your starting and backup RB.

LaDainian is making 8+ million a year.I agree, I'd think Turner really wants a shot to start somewhere, and I think he should get one. Just not on Denver, please not Denver.

 

[Banger]

I'm not sure what LT is getting paid but it's probably not a good move putting probably 15% of your cap money in your starting and backup RB.

LaDainian is making 8+ million a year.I agree, I'd think Turner really wants a shot to start somewhere, and I think he should get one. Just not on Denver, please not Denver.

that could be disasterous.

 

[Gr00vus]

I'm not sure what LT is getting paid but it's probably not a good move putting probably 15% of your cap money in your starting and backup RB.

LaDainian is making 8+ million a year.I agree, I'd think Turner really wants a shot to start somewhere, and I think he should get one. Just not on Denver, please not Denver.

that could be disasterous.

You bet. That's why I'd tender and trade Turner this year to the Jets, Giants, whoever would give me greater than or equal to a 2nd round pick and a couple other picks and/or players. The insurance policy isn't worth what it would cost given the risk that you could end up playing that guy 2 times a year for the next 7 years on a team/scheme in which he'd rush for 1600 yards annually minimum.

 

[Bri]

3-4 years into their NFL career players look to renegotiate, get re-signed to big money etc. I figure McNeil and Merriman will "break the bank" in a couple years.

Large signing bonuses are usually spread out over the length of a contract. For example, a 20 mil bonus(5 year deal) for the Jets would mean 4 mil per year. That's not so difficult to manage cap wise. Same thing with the Chargers, they might be inclined to take a 10 mil hit the first two years instead.

If I'm GM or owner of the Chargers, I'm thinking those two never leave and I'll franchise em' if I have to.

Rivers has one year under his belt and he did very well. When will he be looking for more money?

You can go on and on with their young talent. The Chargers need to have a large amount of cap space a few years from now. I think they need to hit Turner with a nice two year deal ASAP. Matching a longer deal from another team could really hurt.

 

[mozzy84]

3-4 years into their NFL career players look to renegotiate, get re-signed to big money etc. I figure McNeil and Merriman will "break the bank" in a couple years.

Large signing bonuses are usually spread out over the length of a contract. For example, a 20 mil bonus(5 year deal) for the Jets would mean 4 mil per year. That's not so difficult to manage cap wise. Same thing with the Chargers, they might be inclined to take a 10 mil hit the first two years instead.

If I'm GM or owner of the Chargers, I'm thinking those two never leave and I'll franchise em' if I have to.

Rivers has one year under his belt and he did very well. When will he be looking for more money?

You can go on and on with their young talent. The Chargers need to have a large amount of cap space a few years from now. I think they need to hit Turner with a nice two year deal ASAP. Matching a longer deal from another team could really hurt.

why would turner sign a deal like that though? I would think he would rather take the mill this year, walk and sign a big deal next year.

 

[Gr00vus]

3-4 years into their NFL career players look to renegotiate, get re-signed to big money etc. I figure McNeil and Merriman will "break the bank" in a couple years.

Large signing bonuses are usually spread out over the length of a contract. For example, a 20 mil bonus(5 year deal) for the Jets would mean 4 mil per year. That's not so difficult to manage cap wise. Same thing with the Chargers, they might be inclined to take a 10 mil hit the first two years instead.

If I'm GM or owner of the Chargers, I'm thinking those two never leave and I'll franchise em' if I have to.

Rivers has one year under his belt and he did very well. When will he be looking for more money?

You can go on and on with their young talent. The Chargers need to have a large amount of cap space a few years from now. I think they need to hit Turner with a nice two year deal ASAP. Matching a longer deal from another team could really hurt.

why would turner sign a deal like that though? I would think he would rather take the mill this year, walk and sign a big deal next year.

Right, he's not going to sign to be LaDainian's backup for an extra year. Unless LaDainian vanishes in the next year Turner is gone from SD either this offseason or the next.

 

[Colin Dowling]

He's running in a good scheme (that suits his talents) behind a good line. Prior to this year his career ypc was below 4. He's an average back in a good situation, not a franchise back.

HAve you watched him return kicks as well? He's anything but average.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

He's running in a good scheme (that suits his talents) behind a good line. Prior to this year his career ypc was below 4. He's an average back in a good situation, not a franchise back.

HAve you watched him return kicks as well? He's anything but average.

He's an excellent KR - he reads blocks as patiently as he does as an RB, but still explodes when he sees a hole, and is just as tough to bring down as he is out of the backfield.Turner is better than Jordan, better than Chester Taylor - seeing will be believing once he starts somewhere.

 

[whoisjohngalt]

He's running in a good scheme (that suits his talents) behind a good line. Prior to this year his career ypc was below 4. He's an average back in a good situation, not a franchise back.

HAve you watched him return kicks as well? He's anything but average.

And there was the comment made during the last game that the Charger coaching staff believes that he's a better power inside runner than the MVP. That's what they reported.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

He's running in a good scheme (that suits his talents) behind a good line. Prior to this year his career ypc was below 4. He's an average back in a good situation, not a franchise back.

HAve you watched him return kicks as well? He's anything but average.

And there was the comment made during the last game that the Charger coaching staff believes that he's a better power inside runner than the MVP. That's what they reported.

Heck, he's probably one of the best 10 or 15 inside runners in the league. People assume that a backup must have lesser talent, but that is just not the case here. Turner is good enough to start and excel in the NFL, and its only his bad luck that he got stuck behind the best player in the game.

 

[DevilDog919]

He's running in a good scheme (that suits his talents) behind a good line. Prior to this year his career ypc was below 4. He's an average back in a good situation, not a franchise back.

HAve you watched him return kicks as well? He's anything but average.

And there was the comment made during the last game that the Charger coaching staff believes that he's a better power inside runner than the MVP. That's what they reported.

LT himself has been quoted as saying this. It was one of River's first games (cant recall who they were playing) but they were up by a TD late and they went with Turner. LT pulled himself out saying Turner was better for running the clock and power running. They ended up losing the game, but thats beside the point.

 

[Banger]

He's running in a good scheme (that suits his talents) behind a good line. Prior to this year his career ypc was below 4. He's an average back in a good situation, not a franchise back.

HAve you watched him return kicks as well? He's anything but average.

And there was the comment made during the last game that the Charger coaching staff believes that he's a better power inside runner than the MVP. That's what they reported.

Heck, he's probably one of the best 10 or 15 inside runners in the league. People assume that a backup must have lesser talent, but that is just not the case here. Turner is good enough to start and excel in the NFL, and its only his bad luck that he got stuck behind the best player in the game.

sorry for the confusion, my post was with regard to Betts, not Turner (forgot to hit the quote button in response to fruity pebbles). I believe Turner is a franchise back and Betts is an average back.

 

[mozzy84]

He's running in a good scheme (that suits his talents) behind a good line. Prior to this year his career ypc was below 4. He's an average back in a good situation, not a franchise back.

HAve you watched him return kicks as well? He's anything but average.

And there was the comment made during the last game that the Charger coaching staff believes that he's a better power inside runner than the MVP. That's what they reported.

I think banger was talking about betts....

 

[Banger]

He's running in a good scheme (that suits his talents) behind a good line. Prior to this year his career ypc was below 4. He's an average back in a good situation, not a franchise back.

HAve you watched him return kicks as well? He's anything but average.

And there was the comment made during the last game that the Charger coaching staff believes that he's a better power inside runner than the MVP. That's what they reported.

I think banger was talking about betts....

thanks just posted that about 2 seconds before you did...

 

[Bri]

3-4 years into their NFL career players look to renegotiate, get re-signed to big money etc. I figure McNeil and Merriman will "break the bank" in a couple years.

Large signing bonuses are usually spread out over the length of a contract. For example, a 20 mil bonus(5 year deal) for the Jets would mean 4 mil per year. That's not so difficult to manage cap wise. Same thing with the Chargers, they might be inclined to take a 10 mil hit the first two years instead.

If I'm GM or owner of the Chargers, I'm thinking those two never leave and I'll franchise em' if I have to.

Rivers has one year under his belt and he did very well. When will he be looking for more money?

You can go on and on with their young talent. The Chargers need to have a large amount of cap space a few years from now. I think they need to hit Turner with a nice two year deal ASAP. Matching a longer deal from another team could really hurt.

why would turner sign a deal like that though? I would think he would rather take the mill this year, walk and sign a big deal next year.

it seems they could offer him enough to make him happy for a couple years, that's all I was referring to.

 

[Colin Dowling]

Got it. Betts is an average back, agreed.

 

[Trap Play]

I apologize in advance for potentially derailing this thread further, but if Betts is an average back, then so is Chester Taylor, and, somehow, he got a starting gig. Anyway, the whole Betts thing is still blowing my mind. Back to your regularly scheduled Michael Turner thread...

 

[The Man With No Name]

Other players with a 6.0 ypc average that had at least 50 carries with totals from 1-3 seasons played:Jerious Norwood 2006Timmy Brown 1960-1961Michael Wiley 2000-2002 Bill Thornton 1963-1965 Thomas Sanders 1985-1987 Mercury Morris 1969-1971 I don't expect Turner to bomb, but it's a safe bet his 6.0 ypc will come down to earth.

Nobody questions that his YPC will come down when he will start somewhere, but I don't really like the comparisons... - Mercury Morris actually had a pretty nice career, he rushed for almost 2,000 yards and 22 TDs in 1972-1973.- Sanders had 75 carries in his first three years, Wiley 80. Turner had 80 in 2006 and twice as many carries as Sanders and Wiley in the same span.

Spearchucker had a good career too, being a top 5 rb 2 seasons, 3 times top 3 in yards from scrimmage, 4 times top 10 in total td's, 57 career td's in 108 games.I agree with many that Turner could be a top 10-15 rb as a starter elsewhere next season, and if San Diego is offered a 2nd round pick this year for him, they should take it and run. Not sure about his receiving ability as has been said, he could easily be a top 10 rb if he is used as a receiver.

 

[softball]

Other players with a 6.0 ypc average that had at least 50 carries with totals from 1-3 seasons played:Jerious Norwood 2006Timmy Brown 1960-1961Michael Wiley 2000-2002 Bill Thornton 1963-1965 Thomas Sanders 1985-1987 Mercury Morris 1969-1971 I don't expect Turner to bomb, but it's a safe bet his 6.0 ypc will come down to earth.

Nobody questions that his YPC will come down when he will start somewhere, but I don't really like the comparisons... - Mercury Morris actually had a pretty nice career, he rushed for almost 2,000 yards and 22 TDs in 1972-1973.- Sanders had 75 carries in his first three years, Wiley 80. Turner had 80 in 2006 and twice as many carries as Sanders and Wiley in the same span.

Spearchucker had a good career too, being a top 5 rb 2 seasons, 3 times top 3 in yards from scrimmage, 4 times top 10 in total td's, 57 career td's in 108 games.I agree with many that Turner could be a top 10-15 rb as a starter elsewhere next season, and if San Diego is offered a 2nd round pick this year for him, they should take it and run. Not sure about his receiving ability as has been said, he could easily be a top 10 rb if he is used as a receiver.

Kidnets and Yudkin, I won't bore everyone by re quoting those long replies. I stand corrected on the date of the pick.This statment does focus what I as getting at. If you ccccould get a #2 for a backup when Edge and SA were out there for a 1st and no one bit. Take the pick and run. Teams are de valuing RBs at this point, if thats the case get max value.

 

[Madscott]

Sounds like a deal is coming....

The question of what happens to Michael Turner, a restricted free agent, is further from resolution. Soon, Smith will put a tender on the backup running back and see what other teams do.

Turner is destined to spend no more than 2007 with the Chargers, as the team will allow him to go be a No. 1 back somewhere.

Smith's tender to Turner (a first or a first-and-third) will reveal whether he plans to get something in return for Turner this offseason. If he puts the first-round tender on him, he will essentially be inviting teams to give him a first-round pick. If he puts the first-and-third on Turner, he will be saying he wants to keep him one more season.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports/charg...s21chnotes.htmlBased on the tender they put down, I think you'll have an answer as to whether he stays or goes this year from SD.

 

[switz]

Seriously. Lamont Jordan doesn't have half the talent of some of the guys on the list above. Literally, not half.And there are other guys who are better NFL RBs than Jordan who aren't even on the list above (i.e., Thomas Jones).Jordan is a very, very average NFL running back. I'm sorry.

I'm not sure where the Jordan lovefest stems from. He's a starter, but in the lower strata of NFL RBs by far, and I don't think Turner is the only backup that is more talented than Jordan.

 

[Banger]

Sounds like a deal is coming....

The question of what happens to Michael Turner, a restricted free agent, is further from resolution. Soon, Smith will put a tender on the backup running back and see what other teams do.

Turner is destined to spend no more than 2007 with the Chargers, as the team will allow him to go be a No. 1 back somewhere.

Smith's tender to Turner (a first or a first-and-third) will reveal whether he plans to get something in return for Turner this offseason. If he puts the first-round tender on him, he will essentially be inviting teams to give him a first-round pick. If he puts the first-and-third on Turner, he will be saying he wants to keep him one more season.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports/charg...s21chnotes.htmlBased on the tender they put down, I think you'll have an answer as to whether he stays or goes this year from SD.

Not necessarily. If they tender him at a 1st and 3rd they could still deal him for a 1st. The reason that they might want to do that is to control where he goes so Balt, Denver or other likely AFC competitor can't get a hold of him. Although if it's a 1st round tender I believe he's gone.

 

[Harry Beanbag]

If he is gone and SD gets a first rounder for him it is not bad for a guy who would continue to be a backup to LT. I subscribe to the "one in the hand is better than two in the bush" theory when it comes to draft picks but you have to like getting a first rounder in exchange for a guy that was a fifth-round draft choice (#154 overall). And if he comes back for the one-year tender he will walk scott free in 2008 and SD will get nothing for him. He's as good as gone. Will be interesting to see who lands him.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

Why do so many people think that teams will give up a first rounder for him so easily?

It seems steep for a RB who has shown flashes in spot duty

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Why do so many people think that teams will give up a first rounder for him so easily?It seems steep for a RB who has shown flashes in spot duty

He's really good.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

Why do so many people think that teams will give up a first rounder for him so easily?It seems steep for a RB who has shown flashes in spot duty

He's really good.

You can tell that by his 150 carries over three years and playing in situations when games are out of hand or the defense is tired after chasing and game planning around LT all game?

 

[fruity pebbles]

Why do so many people think that teams will give up a first rounder for him so easily?It seems steep for a RB who has shown flashes in spot duty

I think he's pretty generally thought of as behind only Peterson and Lynch in this draft class, well above the other backs who are coming out. If you're a team at the bottom of the first, need a Rb, and don't have a chance at Peterson or Lynch, why not spend the first round pick? It'd be like drafting Turner.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Why do so many people think that teams will give up a first rounder for him so easily?It seems steep for a RB who has shown flashes in spot duty

He's really good.

You can tell that by his 150 carries over three years and playing in situations when games are out of hand or the defense is tired after chasing and game planning around LT all game?

Yes. It's too bad YouTube has taken most of the NFL clips down. There are certain things that mediocre running backs just can't do, that only really good RBs can do. Michael Turner does them.

 

[fruity pebbles]

Why do so many people think that teams will give up a first rounder for him so easily?It seems steep for a RB who has shown flashes in spot duty

He's really good.

You can tell that by his 150 carries over three years and playing in situations when games are out of hand or the defense is tired after chasing and game planning around LT all game?

Yes. It's too bad YouTube has taken most of the NFL clips down. There are certain things that mediocre running backs just can't do, that only really good RBs can do. Michael Turner does them.

I wish that were still up too. Most haven't really gotten a chance to see him play and it would answer a lot of questions on why many find him so valuable.

 

[Yitbos69]

Why do so many people think that teams will give up a first rounder for him so easily?It seems steep for a RB who has shown flashes in spot duty

He's really good.

You can tell that by his 150 carries over three years and playing in situations when games are out of hand or the defense is tired after chasing and game planning around LT all game?

Yes. It's too bad YouTube has taken most of the NFL clips down. There are certain things that mediocre running backs just can't do, that only really good RBs can do. Michael Turner does them.

I wish that were still up too. Most haven't really gotten a chance to see him play and it would answer a lot of questions on why many find him so valuable.

From what I have seen is he is a very good inside runner with good vision and he can also pop it outside and out run EVERYONE!!

 

[JohnnyU]

Why do so many people think that teams will give up a first rounder for him so easily?It seems steep for a RB who has shown flashes in spot duty

I think he's pretty generally thought of as behind only Peterson and Lynch in this draft class, well above the other backs who are coming out. If you're a team at the bottom of the first, need a Rb, and don't have a chance at Peterson or Lynch, why not spend the first round pick? It'd be like drafting Turner.

He's above Lynch and Peterson IMO, especially Lynch.

 

[fruity pebbles]

Why do so many people think that teams will give up a first rounder for him so easily?It seems steep for a RB who has shown flashes in spot duty

I think he's pretty generally thought of as behind only Peterson and Lynch in this draft class, well above the other backs who are coming out. If you're a team at the bottom of the first, need a Rb, and don't have a chance at Peterson or Lynch, why not spend the first round pick? It'd be like drafting Turner.

He's above Lynch and Peterson IMO, especially Lynch.

Lynch is close IMO. He's not above Peterson.

 

[JohnnyU]

Why do so many people think that teams will give up a first rounder for him so easily?It seems steep for a RB who has shown flashes in spot duty

I think he's pretty generally thought of as behind only Peterson and Lynch in this draft class, well above the other backs who are coming out. If you're a team at the bottom of the first, need a Rb, and don't have a chance at Peterson or Lynch, why not spend the first round pick? It'd be like drafting Turner.

He's above Lynch and Peterson IMO, especially Lynch.

Lynch is close IMO. He's not above Peterson.

AP might be a little fragile. Doesn't he run upright I'm not so sure Turner isn't better than Peterson anyway.

 

[BoltBacker]

Why do so many people think that teams will give up a first rounder for him so easily?It seems steep for a RB who has shown flashes in spot duty

I think he's pretty generally thought of as behind only Peterson and Lynch in this draft class, well above the other backs who are coming out. If you're a team at the bottom of the first, need a Rb, and don't have a chance at Peterson or Lynch, why not spend the first round pick? It'd be like drafting Turner.

He's above Lynch and Peterson IMO, especially Lynch.

Lynch is close IMO. He's not above Peterson.

Where do Lynch/Peterson grade out when compared to Caddy/Benson/Brown coming out of college? I thought all three were considered can't miss franchise RB's and I'd take Turner over all three.

 

[fruity pebbles]

Why do so many people think that teams will give up a first rounder for him so easily?It seems steep for a RB who has shown flashes in spot duty

I think he's pretty generally thought of as behind only Peterson and Lynch in this draft class, well above the other backs who are coming out. If you're a team at the bottom of the first, need a Rb, and don't have a chance at Peterson or Lynch, why not spend the first round pick? It'd be like drafting Turner.

He's above Lynch and Peterson IMO, especially Lynch.

Lynch is close IMO. He's not above Peterson.

Where do Lynch/Peterson grade out when compared to Caddy/Benson/Brown coming out of college? I thought all three were considered can't miss franchise RB's and I'd take Turner over all three.

Guess it depends on the grading service. CNN Si for instance had Bush at 4.85, Ronnie at 4.63, Benson at 4.59, Caddy at 4.44. I'd guess Lynch is around Caddy. Peterson will probably grade out between Bush and Ronnie. Just a guess.

 

[zamboni]

No word yet on Turner's tender, but this beat writer is pegging the Broncos as a very interested party. No surprise, but worth mentioning.

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/nfl/...5381330,00.html

Some comments by AJ Smith from this past weekend per the article:

"It's a question of what do we do?" Chargers general manager A.J. Smith said during the weekend at the scouting combine in Indianapolis. "But we have to work our way through the three different levels of it. . . . And how it's going to play out right now, I don't know. But he's quite obviously a terrific player." ...

At the same time, San Diego will be one of the Super Bowl favorites, and "in case of a major injury, it's a comforting feeling to know if anything should happen, what you're going to do coming in," Smith said...

"The general consensus is that, if you have a one and a three, they're untouchable," Smith said. "And, for the most part, it's totally correct. But sometimes, it's a rare player where an organization might go, 'Whoa.' It's a steep price but . . .' And he might be in that unique category, not for a lot of clubs, but it only takes one to say, 'Boy it's interesting.' "

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

No word yet on Turner's tender, but this beat writer is pegging the Broncos as a very interested party. No surprise, but worth mentioning.

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/nfl/...5381330,00.html

Some comments by AJ Smith from this past weekend per the article:

"It's a question of what do we do?" Chargers general manager A.J. Smith said during the weekend at the scouting combine in Indianapolis. "But we have to work our way through the three different levels of it. . . . And how it's going to play out right now, I don't know. But he's quite obviously a terrific player." ...

At the same time, San Diego will be one of the Super Bowl favorites, and "in case of a major injury, it's a comforting feeling to know if anything should happen, what you're going to do coming in," Smith said...

"The general consensus is that, if you have a one and a three, they're untouchable," Smith said. "And, for the most part, it's totally correct. But sometimes, it's a rare player where an organization might go, 'Whoa.' It's a steep price but . . .' And he might be in that unique category, not for a lot of clubs, but it only takes one to say, 'Boy it's interesting.' "

SD wont trade him to the Broncos. I think he's a bolt unitl 2008

 

[zamboni]

No word yet on Turner's tender, but this beat writer is pegging the Broncos as a very interested party. No surprise, but worth mentioning.

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/nfl/...5381330,00.html

Some comments by AJ Smith from this past weekend per the article:

"It's a question of what do we do?" Chargers general manager A.J. Smith said during the weekend at the scouting combine in Indianapolis. "But we have to work our way through the three different levels of it. . . . And how it's going to play out right now, I don't know. But he's quite obviously a terrific player." ...

At the same time, San Diego will be one of the Super Bowl favorites, and "in case of a major injury, it's a comforting feeling to know if anything should happen, what you're going to do coming in," Smith said...

"The general consensus is that, if you have a one and a three, they're untouchable," Smith said. "And, for the most part, it's totally correct. But sometimes, it's a rare player where an organization might go, 'Whoa.' It's a steep price but . . .' And he might be in that unique category, not for a lot of clubs, but it only takes one to say, 'Boy it's interesting.' "

SD wont trade him to the Broncos. I think he's a bolt unitl 2008

I don't think the writer is considering a trade, but rather signing him away.I do agree though that he likely stays in SD this year.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

No word yet on Turner's tender, but this beat writer is pegging the Broncos as a very interested party. No surprise, but worth mentioning.

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/nfl/...5381330,00.html

Some comments by AJ Smith from this past weekend per the article:

"It's a question of what do we do?" Chargers general manager A.J. Smith said during the weekend at the scouting combine in Indianapolis. "But we have to work our way through the three different levels of it. . . . And how it's going to play out right now, I don't know. But he's quite obviously a terrific player." ...

At the same time, San Diego will be one of the Super Bowl favorites, and "in case of a major injury, it's a comforting feeling to know if anything should happen, what you're going to do coming in," Smith said...

"The general consensus is that, if you have a one and a three, they're untouchable," Smith said. "And, for the most part, it's totally correct. But sometimes, it's a rare player where an organization might go, 'Whoa.' It's a steep price but . . .' And he might be in that unique category, not for a lot of clubs, but it only takes one to say, 'Boy it's interesting.' "

SD wont trade him to the Broncos. I think he's a bolt unitl 2008

If the Broncos are willing to give up a first and third, the Chargers won't have a choice. (The right to match doesn't mean anything in the poison pill era.)

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

No word yet on Turner's tender, but this beat writer is pegging the Broncos as a very interested party. No surprise, but worth mentioning.

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/nfl/...5381330,00.html

Some comments by AJ Smith from this past weekend per the article:

"It's a question of what do we do?" Chargers general manager A.J. Smith said during the weekend at the scouting combine in Indianapolis. "But we have to work our way through the three different levels of it. . . . And how it's going to play out right now, I don't know. But he's quite obviously a terrific player." ...

At the same time, San Diego will be one of the Super Bowl favorites, and "in case of a major injury, it's a comforting feeling to know if anything should happen, what you're going to do coming in," Smith said...

"The general consensus is that, if you have a one and a three, they're untouchable," Smith said. "And, for the most part, it's totally correct. But sometimes, it's a rare player where an organization might go, 'Whoa.' It's a steep price but . . .' And he might be in that unique category, not for a lot of clubs, but it only takes one to say, 'Boy it's interesting.' "

SD wont trade him to the Broncos. I think he's a bolt unitl 2008

If the Broncos are willing to give up a first and third, the Chargers won't have a choice. (The right to match doesn't mean anything in the poison pill era.)

Good point,but I doubt Denver gives up that for a runner. Especially their (denver) track record finding anyone to fill the role

 

[zamboni]

No word yet on Turner's tender, but this beat writer is pegging the Broncos as a very interested party. No surprise, but worth mentioning.

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/nfl/...5381330,00.html

Some comments by AJ Smith from this past weekend per the article:

"It's a question of what do we do?" Chargers general manager A.J. Smith said during the weekend at the scouting combine in Indianapolis. "But we have to work our way through the three different levels of it. . . . And how it's going to play out right now, I don't know. But he's quite obviously a terrific player." ...

At the same time, San Diego will be one of the Super Bowl favorites, and "in case of a major injury, it's a comforting feeling to know if anything should happen, what you're going to do coming in," Smith said...

"The general consensus is that, if you have a one and a three, they're untouchable," Smith said. "And, for the most part, it's totally correct. But sometimes, it's a rare player where an organization might go, 'Whoa.' It's a steep price but . . .' And he might be in that unique category, not for a lot of clubs, but it only takes one to say, 'Boy it's interesting.' "

SD wont trade him to the Broncos. I think he's a bolt unitl 2008

If the Broncos are willing to give up a first and third, the Chargers won't have a choice. (The right to match doesn't mean anything in the poison pill era.)

Does anyone know if the Broncos have extra compensation picks - similar to the one they used for Clarett a few years ago.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

No word yet on Turner's tender, but this beat writer is pegging the Broncos as a very interested party. No surprise, but worth mentioning.

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/nfl/...5381330,00.html

Some comments by AJ Smith from this past weekend per the article:

"It's a question of what do we do?" Chargers general manager A.J. Smith said during the weekend at the scouting combine in Indianapolis. "But we have to work our way through the three different levels of it. . . . And how it's going to play out right now, I don't know. But he's quite obviously a terrific player." ...

At the same time, San Diego will be one of the Super Bowl favorites, and "in case of a major injury, it's a comforting feeling to know if anything should happen, what you're going to do coming in," Smith said...

"The general consensus is that, if you have a one and a three, they're untouchable," Smith said. "And, for the most part, it's totally correct. But sometimes, it's a rare player where an organization might go, 'Whoa.' It's a steep price but . . .' And he might be in that unique category, not for a lot of clubs, but it only takes one to say, 'Boy it's interesting.' "

SD wont trade him to the Broncos. I think he's a bolt unitl 2008

If the Broncos are willing to give up a first and third, the Chargers won't have a choice. (The right to match doesn't mean anything in the poison pill era.)

Does anyone know if the Broncos have extra compensation picks - similar to the one they used for Clarett a few years ago.

these dont get announced until late March

 

[Davej626]

No word yet on Turner's tender, but this beat writer is pegging the Broncos as a very interested party. No surprise, but worth mentioning.

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/nfl/...5381330,00.html

Some comments by AJ Smith from this past weekend per the article:

"It's a question of what do we do?" Chargers general manager A.J. Smith said during the weekend at the scouting combine in Indianapolis. "But we have to work our way through the three different levels of it. . . . And how it's going to play out right now, I don't know. But he's quite obviously a terrific player." ...

At the same time, San Diego will be one of the Super Bowl favorites, and "in case of a major injury, it's a comforting feeling to know if anything should happen, what you're going to do coming in," Smith said...

"The general consensus is that, if you have a one and a three, they're untouchable," Smith said. "And, for the most part, it's totally correct. But sometimes, it's a rare player where an organization might go, 'Whoa.' It's a steep price but . . .' And he might be in that unique category, not for a lot of clubs, but it only takes one to say, 'Boy it's interesting.' "

SD wont trade him to the Broncos. I think he's a bolt unitl 2008

If the Broncos are willing to give up a first and third, the Chargers won't have a choice. (The right to match doesn't mean anything in the poison pill era.)

when was the last time Denver spent a first on a RB? Nevermind a first and a third, and a mega contract. I think SD will tender him at that 1st and 3rd simply to force Denver's hand. If they do a first, Denver might bite on it and then SD would face Turner twice a year.