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this statement shows your by far a sicker human being then Vick.One of the most truly pathetic lines i've ever read on this board and i'd hope you get at least a temporary vacation for it.I'm rooting for him to break his neck.
Ridiculous. I love my dog, but it's still a dog. People>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>dogs.Sorry, just having a tough time finding mercy for him when he offered no such mercy for upwards of 100 dogs who were tortured and killed by him.this statement shows your by far a sicker human being then Vick.One of the most truly pathetic lines i've ever read on this board and i'd hope you get at least a temporary vacation for it.I'm rooting for him to break his neck.
If he was in any other prestigious career (doctor, lawyer, executive, architect, stock broker, etc.), he would have lost his license for life or been disbarred for life. Sure, he can go "play" or work again, but he shouldn't be allowed back in the NFL. Just like he wouldn't have been allowed to practice medicine or law again if he had been a doctor or lawyer.Example: The SEC revoked Bernard Maydoff's securities license FOR LIFE. (Not that he's getting out of jail but you get the point.)
Not that it means anything, but they already said they weren't interested. You don't draft a QB in round 1, and then bring in this circus to bolster the roster. Now if we hadn't drafted a QB it could be a different story.No way he goes to San Fran. There would be protest in Cali. I think he goes to Buffalo, Washington, Minny, Miami, or Jax. He would be a perfect fit in Buffalo since there line sucks. Miami obviously because of the wildcat, and Minny might need a back-up plan whether or not Favre signs.
Fine, sorry - but he was always fantasy garbage anyway. Unless he gets listed as a WR or RB, he's a non-fantasy story.And even if he was a Brady-esque QB, he would curse your fantasy team for life.
Scooby Doo said:
Vick is a terrible human this is not news to anyone let it go man, let it go. Then maybe the rest of us can get back to talking some football. I don't think Vick is going to Buffalo. With installing the no-huddle, and a big make or break season for Edwards, it doesn't seem to make much sense to bring in Vick. They would have to redo their gameplan to fit him in just doesn't make sense. I would look at teams looking to run some wildcat. There is no way a team could count on Vick as their starter this year, they would have to work him in slowly. Wildcat presents the best option for that.
That's untrue. He played 6 NFL seasons, and was a fantasy starter (i.e., no worse than QB12) in each year he played all or most of a season. Remember, there are 32 starting QBs in the NFL.Setting aside 2001 (rookie year - 8 games played) and 2003 (injured - 5 games played), he did this:
Now that Goodell has answered the big question, your question now becomes the big question massraider. And I have no idea of the answer. J
You need help. If the NFL or FF had that much power in my life, I pray that I'd find a new hobby.I really do want to "let it go" but I've been having a really hard time with this. I'm very sad for the dogs who suffered so terribly at his hands and it's hard to find joy in the NFL and FF even as much as I love it. Vick and his apologists have almost ruined my favorite pass-time.I'll try to move on...but I'll never forgive or forget.Scooby Doo said:Vick is a terrible human this is not news to anyone let it go man, let it go. Then maybe the rest of us can get back to talking some football. I don't think Vick is going to Buffalo. With installing the no-huddle, and a big make or break season for Edwards, it doesn't seem to make much sense to bring in Vick. They would have to redo their gameplan to fit him in just doesn't make sense. I would look at teams looking to run some wildcat. There is no way a team could count on Vick as their starter this year, they would have to work him in slowly. Wildcat presents the best option for that.
There is no way that Jerry Richardson would want Vick on his team.
San Francisco Californians and dog killers just don't seem to be a match to me.
Makes sense, although (given I have no idea about the inside situation) I still wouldn't be surprised. I assume Freeman's still a few years away and Vick could be a nice complement to whoever wins the starting job (while the loser is cut). I hope Jax brings him in. I think he could be a nice addition coming in for about 10 plays/game or so.I think Wash. would be intriguing. It makes sense from a football standpoint, but the fan reaction is what would really be interesting. The DC crowd obviously wouldn't be very excited, but Vick has quite a loyal fanbase all over the state of VA.
Its getting to the point of stupidity. What about the people who have foxes in the tooth traps? Or Squirrels? Or any hunter that doesn't hit a vital area for immediate kill?Or how we electorcute cows to make sure all the meat is undamaged by bullets?
Vick should have made it ahead of him that year. He rushed for 1000 yards and threw 20 TDs.Absolutely. Fans vote for the Pro Bowl participants. Romo made the Pro Bowl one year after playing less than half of a season.You're saying a guy can make three pro bowls as a QB and not show any evidence that he can play QB?J
Or Aaron BrooksHow long before the vastly under-rated Tim Couch is back in the league?Absolutely. Fans vote for the Pro Bowl participants. Romo made the Pro Bowl one year after playing less than half of a season.You're saying a guy can make three pro bowls as a QB and not show any evidence that he can play QB?
JSo Romo didn't show any evidence he could play QB either? Quick look at passer ratings through the start of last season: http://www.profootballhof.com/history/stor...x?story_id=2664 Ratings for every NFL quarterback who has recorded 1,500 career attempts
He's no Young or Manning. But higher than lots of pretty good QBs on that list like Ken Stabler, Kerry Collins and Ron Jaworski
J
He might have received further suspension from a bar, but its doubtful he'd be disbarred for life. It would be more probable in a case where the guy is notorious, but still unlikely. Frankly, I could see Goodell getting canned over all this stuff. Vick, Buress, Pac Man, Tank, Roethlisberger, etc. He has instituted a system of punishment where he is the only arbiter, no guidelines, no precedents, no meaningful appeals. Sometimes he acts before the courts, sometimes he acts after, and sometimes both. This absolutely will be a point of contention in the upcoming labor talks and if the choice is labor peace or the current commish, cant see Goodell winning that fight.
I don't think Richardson would sign Vick either. But I admit that I'd be intrigued if they would sign him at league minimum to see what might pan out. PR damage aside, Carolina needs to address the QB position in the next year or two. Vick should have the legs since he hasn't taken any hits in two years. Who knows, it might be a steal for the franchise. Having three major threats running in the backfield and Steve Smith outside. Pretty tough to game plan against. But, it would surely come as a big risk for Richardson. That said, I think Jacksonville is the best fit for Vick.
I don't hate him. I think he's done his time and should have the opportunity to play. I don't think it will be at QB.That said, what he did is not comparable to Lewis or Big Ben. A little bit like Stallworth, but not really.
I doubt that that's the case.I think the situation from city to city will be pretty similar. There will be a some of people who will be beside themselves in anger over a Vick signing at first. They will threaten to cancel their season tix, stop watching games, etc.As we get closer to the season, many of those will soften their stance. The team will do a good job of spinning it as helping a man rehabilitate his life, and many that threaten will not really cancel their season tickets.I guess there will be some that follow through on the threats and there will be people, in most NFL citites, waiting to snap those tickets up immediately.Each city will have plenty of fans in the middle. They might find it a bit off putting and wish the team wouldn't do it, but they are real football fans and aren't in a hurry to stop watching the NFL or their hometown team.As we get closer to the season, these people will warm up to the idea, especially if Vick behaves well, helps their team in any way at all, and makes their team a little more fun to watch.Then you have the largest segment of people, the fans that are already trying to figure out just how Vick could possibly help their team. They are already dreaming of the possibilty, in a very competitive league where every advantage matters, of getting a very talented player for a dirt-cheap price.In all of this, the protestors will ultimately be meaningless. Almost all of them won't be football fans anyway and true football fans will ultimately get annoyed by them. I think you'll find almost any team that wants Vick on the football field can pull it off, if they try.
I heard this exact argument on the local sports talk radio driving home yesterday. Maydoff wouldn't be allowed in the financial world if released from prison, of course. That's because of the nature of his crime... financial fraud. Another example was a school teacher convicted of molestation of students being barred from teaching. Well, of course!! He'll never be a teacher again and Madoff would never be allowed to work in securities again. But what does the NFL have to do with dog fighting? If Vick had cheated in football by, say, shaving points and gambling... he'd be barred from the NFL for life. For good reason! But what does dog fighting have to do with the NFL? Perhaps he should be banned from owning pets. But playing football and owning pets are two different things. The analogy of Madoff and the teacher/molester is apples and oranges to Vick's situation.
He isn't allowed to own a dog, or have anything to do with them. I don't know if there is a term, but I'd guess there's a chance that's for life.
dparker713 said:
It may come up in negotiations, but Goodell is not going anywhere. The owners want him and they give him that power. Part of the negotiations is that the owners want more of the money vs. the players. Do you honestly believe that the owners are going to allow RG to be stripped of some of his power? Highly, highly unlikely. That issue will be raised by the players and it'll be the first one dropped by them when the owners refuse to budge on it.Which Lewis? Jamal was involved in a drug conspiracy. Ray in a murder. Ben implicated in rape. And Stallworth ended a man's life. Yet the outcry over Vick has been more vociforous than any of them. Yes he's a bigger start than Stallworth or Jamal Lewis, but not Ray or Ben. I fail to see how Vick's crimes are unforgiveable.Idiot Boxer said:
From the limited amount I've seen and heard from DeMaurice Smith, I find it highly unlikely this gets dropped. Now, I don't think its probable Goodell gets canned, but I could see it happening. What I do think is inevitable is a limitation of the commissioner's unfettered power to suspend players. You also seem to think the owners will be able to dictate terms. This isnt Gene Upshaw's NFLPA.dparker713 said:It may come up in negotiations, but Goodell is not going anywhere. The owners want him and they give him that power. Part of the negotiations is that the owners want more of the money vs. the players. Do you honestly believe that the owners are going to allow RG to be stripped of some of his power? Highly, highly unlikely. That issue will be raised by the players and it'll be the first one dropped by them when the owners refuse to budge on it.
It seems you're convicting both Ray and Ben of crimes, rather than allowing the legal system to sort them out. Ben has only been accused of a civil crime - and the story seems more than a little shaky. Ray pled to a crime of nowhere near the seriousness of Vicks (yes, there was a lost human life in the periphery of the facts, but what he pled to and was charged with are not part of the murder). Stallworth took a life and his decision to drink and drive is unfortunate and he should be held culpable. I would have no problem with him serving a similar suspension in the NFL, although from what I understand, the victim in this case was just as responsible as Stallworth in causing the accident. With Vick, he knowingly and willingly financed an illegal dogfighting operation across state lines for an extended period of time. He was tried and convicted. No one else is even partially culpable for the crime he committed. Don't get me wrong. I'm in the 'he's paid his debt to society' camp. I think he should be back in the NFL, but his crime and those you mentioned are not good comps.
Isn't he a point guard?Idiot Boxer said:Or Aaron BrooksSideshow Bob said:How long before the vastly under-rated Tim Couch is back in the league?Joe Bryant said:Idiot Boxer said:Absolutely. Fans vote for the Pro Bowl participants. Romo made the Pro Bowl one year after playing less than half of a season.Joe Bryant said:You're saying a guy can make three pro bowls as a QB and not show any evidence that he can play QB?
JSo Romo didn't show any evidence he could play QB either? Quick look at passer ratings through the start of last season: http://www.profootballhof.com/history/stor...x?story_id=2664 Ratings for every NFL quarterback who has recorded 1,500 career attempts
He's no Young or Manning. But higher than lots of pretty good QBs on that list like Ken Stabler, Kerry Collins and Ron Jaworski
J
Ray Lewis and Ben are germane here, not because of their convictions or accusations, but the public response, and in Lewis' case eventual forgiveness.Apples are compared to oranges all the time. In this case they all have a commonality - public reception. Its like Vick touched a third rail and the only acceptable punishment for a large segment of the population would be life in prison.
I don't think they're germane at all. I was talking about the NFL's position, however, it doesn't change my position if you wish to talk about public outcry.Public outcry should be based both on the crime committed and the culpability for such crime. Are you suggesting that the public outcry should be the same NOW for Vick and Big Ben? They absolutely should not. Should facts emerge in Ben's case that give credence to the accuser's story then I would think public outcry should increase. Should he be found culpable civilly or, even more importantly, criminally the outcry should be overwhelming. But I think the outcry is being wisely withheld until more facts proving or disproving come out.Contrast that with Mike Vick. He did it. That side of the equation is not in doubt. The outcry itself should be based upon the seriousness of the crime. Some think it isn't so bad, some think it worse than murder. I fall in the middle. Again, I feel like he's paid his debt to society...but unless and until Ben is convicted...don't anticipate the same outcry.
Pro Bowl election is no gauge of a players performance.Vince Young showed that you can have no QB ability whatsoever and make the Pro-Bowl. Ask yourself this: Are these #'s worthy of a Pro-Bowl? 184-357 for 2199 yards, 51.5 completion %, 12 TDs, 13 INTs.Joe Bryant said:You're saying a guy can make three pro bowls as a QB and not show any evidence that he can play QB?J
I wonder what percentage of sexual assault allegations result in ONLY civil suits being filed."No, no, no. That's OK. Really, we don't need to drag the police into this and make it all criminal. Let's just reach a mutually beneficial financial agreement... in a very real and legally binding sense."
There are words for that sort of transaction as well, which are legal in some parts of Nevada
