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Microsoft Announces "Surface" Tablet (1 Viewer)

Whatever it is I hope its huge or MS will just get tar & feathered. I really hope its something ultra cool to push Apple. Its good for us :nerd: s
Im sure no matter what it is goon and icon will tell us how Apple does it better.Just like this.
He said someone needed to release at tablet that is like the iPad but much smaller. What's the problem with my response?
3.5" vs 9" ring a bell after that?And its obvious he was not talking about something with a 3.5" screen.

 
Any chance we make this thread about Microsoft?
The fanboy apple signal's shining bright. My guess is no, but it does bring up a question:What's more entertaining:1. A thread started to bait the MSFT homers?2. A thread started to bait the Apple fanboys?
Is there really such a thing as MSFT homers?
Absolutely.
I've heard of fanboys for the Xbox but not really for Windows.
More in the enterprise than consumer markets I guess. Windows vs Linux, Windows vs VMWare.
I want to see the discussions of Windows vs Linux...I missed those somehow :popcorn:
The Linux folks generally aren't as annoying as the Mac folks, although if I never have to see "M$" again it will be too soon.
I'm more interested to see what the MSFT folks think they have over Linux more than anything. Don't disagree with the "M$" stuff either.
That a monkey can operate it basically. :) On the Linux side myself, but I think that as a whole you kind of see admissions from both sides that there are strengths to the offering on the other side. On the Linux side, you've seen the GUI tools become more robust so that it can be operated by something closer to a monkey. Experienced admins will lean towards command line first and foremost, but there's an easier learning curve for those that aren't as experienced. That helps to bring down support costs by expanding the base of those capable of support it. On the Windows side you've seen products like server core and more robust command line interfaces, an admission that bloating the product does come with security and performance issues and that command line can be a lot more powerful than a GUI for most tasks if properly leveraged.
 
Assuming it's good, is there a market for an Xbox branded tablet? I'm not a platform gamer and I don't feel like I'm the target market for tablets anyway.

 
Microsoft is actually coming out with a lot of innovating products. The Xbox 720coming out next year looks impressive as is Smart Glass technology, Kinect 2 and Kinect Glasses.The only innovation Apple has done since releasing the iPad is the Retina display, something people need until Apple told them they did.
Apple doesn't show off concepts in development. None of the things you listed are available yet, so it's a bit disingenuous to compare "future" Microsoft products to existing/available Apple products. Remember when the Microsoft Courier was going to kill the iPad? How did that work out?And let's see who is really innovating:

Apple Airplay >>> MS Smart Glass

Nintendo Wii >>> MS Kinect

Google Glass >>> MS Kinect Glasses

I'm pulling for Microsoft to get back in the game. I like what they've done with Metro; at least they are trying something new and not just pulling an Android by being a cheap iOS clone. But it's a little silly to portray them as the innovators when in reality they struggling to catch up in markets that they've completely missed.

 
On the Linux side myself, but I think that as a whole you kind of see admissions from both sides that there are strengths to the offering on the other side. On the Linux side, you've seen the GUI tools become more robust so that it can be operated by something closer to a monkey. Experienced admins will lean towards command line first and foremost, but there's an easier learning curve for those that aren't as experienced. That helps to bring down support costs by expanding the base of those capable of support it. On the Windows side you've seen products like server core and more robust command line interfaces, an admission that bloating the product does come with security and performance issues and that command line can be a lot more powerful than a GUI for most tasks if properly leveraged.
Anyone who has experience in a *nix shell will be right at home in Windows Powershell. They even alias a lot of their commands to *nix syntax by default. My only complaint with it right now is that it's not FULLY integrated with all things MS, although they improve it each go round. There's also no real equivalent to the cut command which I love for parsing logs. Really looking forward to Powershell v3.
 
Assuming it's good, is there a market for an Xbox branded tablet? I'm not a platform gamer and I don't feel like I'm the target market for tablets anyway.
Not sure... it seems like the hardcore gamer market are more the type who are prone to sit on the couch / desk chair for 6 hour stretches. I'm not sure anything needs to be mobile for that pasty / immobile segment.
 
On the Linux side myself, but I think that as a whole you kind of see admissions from both sides that there are strengths to the offering on the other side. On the Linux side, you've seen the GUI tools become more robust so that it can be operated by something closer to a monkey. Experienced admins will lean towards command line first and foremost, but there's an easier learning curve for those that aren't as experienced. That helps to bring down support costs by expanding the base of those capable of support it. On the Windows side you've seen products like server core and more robust command line interfaces, an admission that bloating the product does come with security and performance issues and that command line can be a lot more powerful than a GUI for most tasks if properly leveraged.
Anyone who has experience in a *nix shell will be right at home in Windows Powershell. They even alias a lot of their commands to *nix syntax by default. My only complaint with it right now is that it's not FULLY integrated with all things MS, although they improve it each go round. There's also no real equivalent to the cut command which I love for parsing logs. Really looking forward to Powershell v3.
Yeah I currently have a Hyper-V and SCVMM 2012 lab set up at home to play around with. Have a video series on Powershell to get to eventually. Along with their OS I would never recommend these products for anyone running something truly mission critical. When we virtualize SAP later this year, that's going to Redhat/VMware no question. I wouldn't even consider Microsoft crap for a project like that. But Microsoft has positioned themselves well as a solid second place offering if you don't need the best and want to save some dough.That's realistically the best they can hope for in the tablet market at this point IMO. They might be able to pull it off.

 
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Yeah I currently have a Hyper-V and SCVMM 2012 lab set up at home to play around with. Have a video series on Powershell to get to eventually. Along with their OS I would never recommend these products for anyone running something truly mission critical. When we virtualize SAP later this year, that's going to Redhat/VMware no question. I wouldn't even consider Microsoft crap for a project like that. But Microsoft has positioned themselves well as a solid second place offering if you don't need the best and want to save some dough.That's realistically the best they can hope for in the tablet market at this point IMO. They might be able to pull it off.
Get the Learning Powershell in a Month of Lunches book. If you're talking about the CBT Nuggets series for Powershell, it's written by the same guy. Are you running Hyper-V in 2012 or 2008? I haven't even had a chance to start looking at the '12 stuff because I've been focused on Cisco networking the last several months. We have SCCM 2012 running in test ready to be moved into production this year.
 
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Any chance we make this thread about Microsoft?
The fanboy apple signal's shining bright. My guess is no, but it does bring up a question:What's more entertaining:1. A thread started to bait the MSFT homers?2. A thread started to bait the Apple fanboys?
Is there really such a thing as MSFT homers?
This is a fair question actually. Perhaps not? I've never really seen anyone go to the mat for MSFT products the way fanboys do for Apple. I guess I just assumed that the folks always talking negative about Apple without saying anything about MSFT were MSFT homers. That may not be the case.
Some of those people just like to egg on the fanboys. Most sane, logical people (read: not Apple fanboys), know that Microsoft has some hits and some misses. Some products are very good, others are crap.
 
For DNS and other role servers, *nix is still king.
For anything truly mission critical it's still the king.
The internet was built on Unix. If you think about it, even Cisco, Juniper, etc are running some Unix-like OS under the hood. Raid controllers in SANs and servers are running embedded Linux. It's pervasive.
And continuing to grow. Tons of things are being developed there because you can package everything up as an "appliance" of sorts and avoid the customer having to incur OS costs to run your stuff. We got MobileIron to manage the iPads - it's running CentOS under the hood. Markets great on their end as well because they can either sell you a little appliance if you don't run VMware or they give you an OVA to run it on VMware if you do. We got this Kiosk in the cafeteria for people to order fresh foods - running Ubuntu. Cisco moved their flagship call manager product to Linux. VMware is starting to venture that way as well and came out with vCenter as a Linux based virtual appliance in this last release. A lot easier to market stuff when you don't have to say "just pay Microsoft a couple thousand dollars on top of our already hefty licensing fees".
 
For DNS and other role servers, *nix is still king.
For anything truly mission critical it's still the king.
The internet was built on Unix. If you think about it, even Cisco, Juniper, etc are running some Unix-like OS under the hood. Raid controllers in SANs and servers are running embedded Linux. It's pervasive.
Of the existing options, I don't ever see it NOT being king. Obviously, I can't see into the future so I won't go as far to say it will always be king.
 
Yeah I currently have a Hyper-V and SCVMM 2012 lab set up at home to play around with. Have a video series on Powershell to get to eventually. Along with their OS I would never recommend these products for anyone running something truly mission critical. When we virtualize SAP later this year, that's going to Redhat/VMware no question. I wouldn't even consider Microsoft crap for a project like that. But Microsoft has positioned themselves well as a solid second place offering if you don't need the best and want to save some dough.That's realistically the best they can hope for in the tablet market at this point IMO. They might be able to pull it off.
Get the Learning Powershell in a Month of Lunches book. If you're talking about the CBT Nuggets series for Powershell, it's written by the same guy. Are you running Hyper-V in 2012 or 2008? I haven't even had a chance to start looking at the '12 stuff because I've been focused on Cisco networking the last several months. We have SCCM 2012 running in test ready to be moved into production this year.
Yeah, using the CBT nuggets. I'm getting tired of reading lately since I spent this year getting mad certifications so I'm sticking to videos for a while. :) Hyper-V 2008. I didn't feel like messing with the new 2012 RC stuff.
 
I agree that traditionally Microsoft has not been innovators in the sense that Apple has been. As of late they seem to be emerging as an innovator though. Only time will tell if that pans out in the long run. Their relevance in the market place today can easily be seen by doing a job search in any city for "C#" developers and then doing a job search for "Objective-C" or "Java". Once all the custom programming out there starts getting on to the tablets and phones the employee's wont have to choose the Windows OS it will be chosen for them especially if it will cost 3 or 4 times more to produce the same app for iPhone/iPad or Android.

 
Microsoft is actually coming out with a lot of innovating products. The Xbox 720coming out next year looks impressive as is Smart Glass technology, Kinect 2 and Kinect Glasses.The only innovation Apple has done since releasing the iPad is the Retina display, something people need until Apple told them they did.
Apple doesn't show off concepts in development. None of the things you listed are available yet, so it's a bit disingenuous to compare "future" Microsoft products to existing/available Apple products. Remember when the Microsoft Courier was going to kill the iPad? How did that work out?And let's see who is really innovating:

Apple Airplay >>> MS Smart Glass

Nintendo Wii >>> MS Kinect

Google Glass >>> MS Kinect Glasses

I'm pulling for Microsoft to get back in the game. I like what they've done with Metro; at least they are trying something new and not just pulling an Android by being a cheap iOS clone. But it's a little silly to portray them as the innovators when in reality they struggling to catch up in markets that they've completely missed.
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
 
I agree that traditionally Microsoft has not been innovators in the sense that Apple has been. As of late they seem to be emerging as an innovator though. Only time will tell if that pans out in the long run. Their relevance in the market place today can easily be seen by doing a job search in any city for "C#" developers and then doing a job search for "Objective-C" or "Java". Once all the custom programming out there starts getting on to the tablets and phones the employee's wont have to choose the Windows OS it will be chosen for them especially if it will cost 3 or 4 times more to produce the same app for iPhone/iPad or Android.
These days of distributed computing are coming to an end for the time being. Cloud computing is here, and it's just going to grow. Organizations will centralize all of this stuff, and your tablet is just going to be a simple client for all of it. Then you let the end user decide what device they want to use as a client - it's just hardware. They're basically going to be reduced to being hardware peddlers on the tablet front, and Apple is going to have a significant advantage in that they specialize in making the device pretty with a great form factor, etc.
 
I agree that traditionally Microsoft has not been innovators in the sense that Apple has been. As of late they seem to be emerging as an innovator though. Only time will tell if that pans out in the long run. Their relevance in the market place today can easily be seen by doing a job search in any city for "C#" developers and then doing a job search for "Objective-C" or "Java". Once all the custom programming out there starts getting on to the tablets and phones the employee's wont have to choose the Windows OS it will be chosen for them especially if it will cost 3 or 4 times more to produce the same app for iPhone/iPad or Android.
These days of distributed computing are coming to an end for the time being. Cloud computing is here, and it's just going to grow. Organizations will centralize all of this stuff, and your tablet is just going to be a simple client for all of it. Then you let the end user decide what device they want to use as a client - it's just hardware. They're basically going to be reduced to being hardware peddlers on the tablet front, and Apple is going to have a significant advantage in that they specialize in making the device pretty with a great form factor, etc.
Microsoft is well tuned into this. Creating one WCF service that hosts SOAP, WSDL, REST, etc.. endpoints is pretty simple and extremly scalable when you bring in the use of LINQ and Generics. Their XAML language is capable of being as pretty as any thing for the iPhone it's just not gained enough traction yet but it's too good not to.
 
Any word on if that Nook thing is the actual announcement? A PSP in an e-reader shell? I hope to God that's not the announcement.
Are you that emotionally invested in this announcement that you feel prayer is necessary to assuage your anxiety?
 
Nintendo Wii >>> MS Kinect
You played either of these gaming systems?
Yes. Microsoft jumped on motion gaming bandwagon after Wii created the market.(I didn't mean the ">>>" to say better than. Each example shows Microsoft again being late to market.)
I think going from hand controllers to full body interface is pretty innovative. The PS3 version, forget what it is called, is the knock off of Wii not the Kinect.
 
Nintendo Wii >>> MS Kinect
You played either of these gaming systems?
Yes. Microsoft jumped on motion gaming bandwagon after Wii created the market.(I didn't mean the ">>>" to say better than. Each example shows Microsoft again being late to market.)
I think going from hand controllers to full body interface is pretty innovative. The PS3 version, forget what it is called, is the knock off of Wii not the Kinect.
Everything is a knock off of science fiction anyway. This "we did it first" is silly.
 
Nintendo Wii >>> MS Kinect
You played either of these gaming systems?
Yes. Microsoft jumped on motion gaming bandwagon after Wii created the market.(I didn't mean the ">>>" to say better than. Each example shows Microsoft again being late to market.)
I think going from hand controllers to full body interface is pretty innovative. The PS3 version, forget what it is called, is the knock off of Wii not the Kinect.
Everything is a knock off of science fiction anyway. This "we did it first" is silly.
You're right. That's why I never make a big deal out it whenever I retire a replicant.
 
Nintendo Wii >>> MS Kinect
You played either of these gaming systems?
Yes. Microsoft jumped on motion gaming bandwagon after Wii created the market.(I didn't mean the ">>>" to say better than. Each example shows Microsoft again being late to market.)
I think going from hand controllers to full body interface is pretty innovative. The PS3 version, forget what it is called, is the knock off of Wii not the Kinect.
Everything is a knock off of science fiction anyway. This "we did it first" is silly.
You're right. That's why I never make a big deal out it whenever I retire a replicant.
:lmao:
 
Nintendo Wii >>> MS Kinect
You played either of these gaming systems?
Yes. Microsoft jumped on motion gaming bandwagon after Wii created the market.(I didn't mean the ">>>" to say better than. Each example shows Microsoft again being late to market.)
I think going from hand controllers to full body interface is pretty innovative. The PS3 version, forget what it is called, is the knock off of Wii not the Kinect.
Yes, I'll agree that Kinect was a step ahead in motion controls. But that fact remains that Microsoft ( and Sony) were blindsided by the Wii and motion control gaming. It's another market they came into years after a competitor defined it.
 
Nintendo Wii >>> MS Kinect
You played either of these gaming systems?
Yes. Microsoft jumped on motion gaming bandwagon after Wii created the market.(I didn't mean the ">>>" to say better than. Each example shows Microsoft again being late to market.)
I think going from hand controllers to full body interface is pretty innovative. The PS3 version, forget what it is called, is the knock off of Wii not the Kinect.
Yes, I'll agree that Kinect was a step ahead in motion controls. But that fact remains that Microsoft ( and Sony) were blindsided by the Wii and motion control gaming. It's another market they came into years after a competitor defined it.
Wii is the best gaming system product concept everPeople were making fun of the name before they saw it, asking what the hell Nintendo was thinking. Then when they came out, everybody "got it". They opened up a huge new market of people who don't play video games and little kids.
 
Yes, I'll agree that Kinect was a step ahead in motion controls. But that fact remains that Microsoft ( and Sony) were blindsided by the Wii and motion control gaming. It's another market they came into years after a competitor defined it.
Microsoft and Sony being "late to market" is fine with me in this case. Motion control gaming sucks. Every time the Wii comes up on this forum, people universally chime in about how is just collects dust. Kinect is horrible and nobody really tries to pretend otherwise any more. And Sony barely even bothers with Move these days. Motion control gaming is interesting from a tech demo standpoint, and it's sort of a novel way to appeal to people who don't play video games, but it's inferior to a regular console controler or mouse/keyboard.
 
(I didn't mean the ">>>" to say better than. Each example shows Microsoft again being late to market.)
In that case, you should probably drop AirPlay, since AirPlay is more like Media Center Extender, and MCE has been around since XP.
That's fine, but citing a product from pre-2005 doesn't really counter my point that Microsoft has been woefully late to nearly every tech market disruption of the past five years. The products listed above as great upcoming Microsoft innovations are really "me too" catch-up products.
 
Yes, I'll agree that Kinect was a step ahead in motion controls. But that fact remains that Microsoft ( and Sony) were blindsided by the Wii and motion control gaming. It's another market they came into years after a competitor defined it.
Microsoft and Sony being "late to market" is fine with me in this case. Motion control gaming sucks. Every time the Wii comes up on this forum, people universally chime in about how is just collects dust. Kinect is horrible and nobody really tries to pretend otherwise any more. And Sony barely even bothers with Move these days. Motion control gaming is interesting from a tech demo standpoint, and it's sort of a novel way to appeal to people who don't play video games, but it's inferior to a regular console controler or mouse/keyboard.
I agree, and that fact is most apparent when you see that Nintendo is putting less focus on motion controls in their next gen Wii U console while Microsoft continues doubling down on the Kinect. To me it's simply more evidence of Microsoft not able to lead trends and instead constantly skating to where the puck is (instead of where the puck is going to be).
 
I think MS Excel not only blows away Lotus 1-2-3 and Quattro Pro; it's one of the coolest pieces of software in any category ever created.

 
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