Microsoft Windows 8 (Eight) Released (1 Viewer)

[DrJ]

Oh Lord, I sound like goonsquad in an Apple thread!

Nah. You're just pointing out the obvious. The people complaining about Windows 8 don't seem to have used it at all.

The desktop mode is virtually identical to Win 7.

Don't bother adjusting to tiles. Think of it this way, your start menu is now a start screen, configure it to boot directly to your desktop (in 8.1) and just use it like you've always used Windows 7

Install start menu replacement, never use metro interface, turn off gestures, don't use apps because you have to sign up for a microsoft account for most of them to work. basically, make it windows 7.

The biggest selling point for Windows 8 that proponents seem to keep mentioning is that it's not really all that different than Windows 7. If that's the case, why "upgrade?" Is Windows 8 performance really vastly superior to Windows 7? Is there some other compelling reason for your average user to be interested in Windows 8?

There's some new features that are cool. The primary storage deduplication feature is nice for some use cases. I love it on my backup server - it's backing up the same data again and again for the most part so this allows me to have a far larger retention period. I could only retain a few weeks of daily backups before, now I'm in the months. Depending on what your data looks like this could save you a lot of space, which is at a premium when you're using SSD's and things. I'm sure there's plenty of others. I'm remotely interested in playing with Folder Redirection, Roaming Profiles, etc. They always make changes (or improvements as our Microsoft evangelist buddies here will assure us) and I'm remotely curious if there's anything good here. I have a VDI deployment in my lab and I toy around with the technologies for keeping that and my laptop in sync when I actually make time to play with Microsoft crap. I'm sure there's plenty of new stuff here, some of it actually worthwhile. But when the average user doesn't even need most any of these capabilities 90% of the time and is happy using a tablet for their content browsing it's not a really big selling feature. The devices Microsoft is losing computing device market share to can't do nearly as much as they can. But they're still losing because those companies made it easier and more convenient for the "dumb end user" and most of them don't need most of this crap.

 

[Fennis]

In the same way Dr J seems to be having a negative experience I am having a positive one. It seems faster and ultimately easier to navigate.

I think most of the arguments against it have to do with the Metro interface (I don't have a tablet or touch screen PC so I never interface with it) and the learning curve for the desktop, which took me all of two days to adjust to and should only take an average user a week if they actually bother to try.

This doesn't help me, or help your case IMO. A computer seeming faster? There are so many variables. It's very hard to attribute that specifically to the OS. And exactly what is easier to navigate? Quite honestly, one of the things that annoys me about MS is that they move the EXACT same shortcut from place to place from version to version of Windows. I can't even tall you where Windows Explorer is on any given version of Windows because they've moved it so many times. That's why when I find a version that I like and works pretty well I'd like incremental changes/improvements instead of the wholesale changes they seem to think is required for each version of Windows. So I'd really like some specifics. Because right now it just sounds like you're a MS fanboy trying to quell criticism against them.

No, if you're Microsoft you actually move fundamental things like the shutdown button. Now you have to drag your mouse to the lower right corner, wait for some stupid bar to appear. One of the buttons on the bar is settings, you click that. And finally you have a power button. Click that and now you have the option to shutdown / restart / etc. It's like they went out of their way to hide it. Maybe they had a lot of problems with people randomly shutting down their machine and they just wanted to make it a ton harder to make that mistake. Of course only an idiot wouldn't be able to just figure this out. Luckily my only Windows 2012 box runs 24/7 or I'd be annoyed enough to make my own desktop icon for it.

I agree that the side bar is just kind of weird, but to get to the shutdown sequence quickly it's M-Button+I

What the #### is the M-Button?

I got tired of typing Microsoft Logo Button

The hotkey for power down options is pressing the Microsoft Logo Button + I

shutdown /s /t 10

 

[DrJ]

In the same way Dr J seems to be having a negative experience I am having a positive one. It seems faster and ultimately easier to navigate.

I think most of the arguments against it have to do with the Metro interface (I don't have a tablet or touch screen PC so I never interface with it) and the learning curve for the desktop, which took me all of two days to adjust to and should only take an average user a week if they actually bother to try.

This doesn't help me, or help your case IMO. A computer seeming faster? There are so many variables. It's very hard to attribute that specifically to the OS. And exactly what is easier to navigate? Quite honestly, one of the things that annoys me about MS is that they move the EXACT same shortcut from place to place from version to version of Windows. I can't even tall you where Windows Explorer is on any given version of Windows because they've moved it so many times. That's why when I find a version that I like and works pretty well I'd like incremental changes/improvements instead of the wholesale changes they seem to think is required for each version of Windows. So I'd really like some specifics. Because right now it just sounds like you're a MS fanboy trying to quell criticism against them.

No, if you're Microsoft you actually move fundamental things like the shutdown button. Now you have to drag your mouse to the lower right corner, wait for some stupid bar to appear. One of the buttons on the bar is settings, you click that. And finally you have a power button. Click that and now you have the option to shutdown / restart / etc. It's like they went out of their way to hide it. Maybe they had a lot of problems with people randomly shutting down their machine and they just wanted to make it a ton harder to make that mistake. Of course only an idiot wouldn't be able to just figure this out. Luckily my only Windows 2012 box runs 24/7 or I'd be annoyed enough to make my own desktop icon for it.

I agree that the side bar is just kind of weird, but to get to the shutdown sequence quickly it's M-Button+I

What the #### is the M-Button?

I got tired of typing Microsoft Logo Button

The hotkey for power down options is pressing the Microsoft Logo Button + I

shutdown /s /t 10

init 0 doesn't work?

 

[Fennis]

In the same way Dr J seems to be having a negative experience I am having a positive one. It seems faster and ultimately easier to navigate.

I think most of the arguments against it have to do with the Metro interface (I don't have a tablet or touch screen PC so I never interface with it) and the learning curve for the desktop, which took me all of two days to adjust to and should only take an average user a week if they actually bother to try.

This doesn't help me, or help your case IMO. A computer seeming faster? There are so many variables. It's very hard to attribute that specifically to the OS. And exactly what is easier to navigate? Quite honestly, one of the things that annoys me about MS is that they move the EXACT same shortcut from place to place from version to version of Windows. I can't even tall you where Windows Explorer is on any given version of Windows because they've moved it so many times. That's why when I find a version that I like and works pretty well I'd like incremental changes/improvements instead of the wholesale changes they seem to think is required for each version of Windows. So I'd really like some specifics. Because right now it just sounds like you're a MS fanboy trying to quell criticism against them.

No, if you're Microsoft you actually move fundamental things like the shutdown button. Now you have to drag your mouse to the lower right corner, wait for some stupid bar to appear. One of the buttons on the bar is settings, you click that. And finally you have a power button. Click that and now you have the option to shutdown / restart / etc. It's like they went out of their way to hide it. Maybe they had a lot of problems with people randomly shutting down their machine and they just wanted to make it a ton harder to make that mistake. Of course only an idiot wouldn't be able to just figure this out. Luckily my only Windows 2012 box runs 24/7 or I'd be annoyed enough to make my own desktop icon for it.

I agree that the side bar is just kind of weird, but to get to the shutdown sequence quickly it's M-Button+I

What the #### is the M-Button?

I got tired of typing Microsoft Logo Button

The hotkey for power down options is pressing the Microsoft Logo Button + I

shutdown /s /t 10

init 0 doesn't work?

patience... one day it will

 

[Chaka]

Oh Lord, I sound like goonsquad in an Apple thread!

Nah. You're just pointing out the obvious. The people complaining about Windows 8 don't seem to have used it at all.

The desktop mode is virtually identical to Win 7.

Don't bother adjusting to tiles. Think of it this way, your start menu is now a start screen, configure it to boot directly to your desktop (in 8.1) and just use it like you've always used Windows 7

Install start menu replacement, never use metro interface, turn off gestures, don't use apps because you have to sign up for a microsoft account for most of them to work. basically, make it windows 7.

The biggest selling point for Windows 8 that proponents seem to keep mentioning is that it's not really all that different than Windows 7. If that's the case, why "upgrade?" Is Windows 8 performance really vastly superior to Windows 7? Is there some other compelling reason for your average user to be interested in Windows 8?

There really isn't a reason to unless you really like the metro interface. Their isn't a reason to whine and complain about how terrible it is either.

I won't be upgrading my desktop to it any time soon but I put it on my laptop and won't be taking it off. If I bought something new that came with it, it would be perfectly fine.

Agreed, there's nothing to complain about. Microsoft killing themselves off is good for all of us in the long run.

If you think people are going nuts trying to figure out Win8 wait until you try and force Linux on them.

 

[DrJ]

Oh Lord, I sound like goonsquad in an Apple thread!

Nah. You're just pointing out the obvious. The people complaining about Windows 8 don't seem to have used it at all.

The desktop mode is virtually identical to Win 7.

Don't bother adjusting to tiles. Think of it this way, your start menu is now a start screen, configure it to boot directly to your desktop (in 8.1) and just use it like you've always used Windows 7

Install start menu replacement, never use metro interface, turn off gestures, don't use apps because you have to sign up for a microsoft account for most of them to work. basically, make it windows 7.

The biggest selling point for Windows 8 that proponents seem to keep mentioning is that it's not really all that different than Windows 7. If that's the case, why "upgrade?" Is Windows 8 performance really vastly superior to Windows 7? Is there some other compelling reason for your average user to be interested in Windows 8?

There really isn't a reason to unless you really like the metro interface. Their isn't a reason to whine and complain about how terrible it is either.

I won't be upgrading my desktop to it any time soon but I put it on my laptop and won't be taking it off. If I bought something new that came with it, it would be perfectly fine.

Agreed, there's nothing to complain about. Microsoft killing themselves off is good for all of us in the long run.

If you think people are going nuts trying to figure out Win8 wait until you try and force Linux on them.

You don't have to force Linux on them, they're buying it up by the truckloads. It's called things like Android and Chrome OS.

 

[SacramentoBob]

I agree that most desktop users should stay on or upgrade to 7. If you get a touch device, than 8 is an option. But get off of XP, it's 12 years old at this point.

 

[Slapdash]

I agree that most desktop users should stay on or upgrade to 7. If you get a touch device, than 8 is an option. But get off of XP, it's 12 years old at this point.

And, outside of performance, what as improved with the OS in 12 years? I can maybe think of one change to the UI that has been positive.

 

[Maelstrom]

The desktop mode is virtually identical to Win 7.

Don't bother adjusting to tiles. Think of it this way, your start menu is now a start screen, configure it to boot directly to your desktop (in 8.1) and just use it like you've always used Windows 7

Install start menu replacement, never use metro interface, turn off gestures, don't use apps because you have to sign up for a microsoft account for most of them to work. basically, make it windows 7.

The biggest selling point for Windows 8 that proponents seem to keep mentioning is that it's not really all that different than Windows 7. If that's the case, why "upgrade?" Is Windows 8 performance really vastly superior to Windows 7? Is there some other compelling reason for your average user to be interested in Windows 8?

Yes...the performance increase is noticeable. Bootup time in less than 10 seconds, as compared to 30-40 many times with Win7 or below. Better multi-monitor support than in previous versions if you run 2 or more monitors.

Overall, the desktop experience is a better overall experience in Win8.1 (the .1 is a free patch/upgrade) than Win7. In addition, Windows 8 is going to get things like new versions of Internet Explorer first (yes, I know, no one uses it, but as much as it pains me to admit this as a web developer, IE v11 really isn't that bad, it's basically on par with Chrome/Firefox these days)

 

[Statorama]

Just an FYI to owners of software of any kind, if your product affects my browser in any way I hope you die and your children get sold into a child prostitution ring.

I don't want your toolbar. I don't want your search engine to be the page that opens when I open a new tab. I don't know anyone who does. Stop it.

 

[MaxThreshold]

Just an FYI to owners of software of any kind, if your product affects my browser in any way I hope you die and your children get sold into a child prostitution ring.

I don't want your toolbar. I don't want your search engine to be the page that opens when I open a new tab. I don't know anyone who does. Stop it.

That's pretty easy to avoid:

1) Don't visit suspect sites (unless it's porn - then it's ok)

2) When installing software, read thru the wizard instead of just clicking "Yes" like a blind robot. Lots of times those wizards will have "Install this special toolbar" checked by default. And, yes, there is such a thing as a "blind robot" - it's called "my wife".

3) Maybe some antivirus/firewall? Maybe?

 

[Mario Kart]

Call me a dumb user but I really see no difference between the two.

the only thing I want is for my Windows 8 tablet to sync up to my Window 7 laptop so I can use them in my classroom. That's all I want. Or, give me a product similar to AppleTV that I can use my tablet with.

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/skydrive/web

I know about SkyDrive but I'm not sure if that can mirror what is on my tablet onto my smartboard. If I had an AppleTV equivalent, I can link my tablet into that piece which would then show up on the board. Will have to test unless you know of a way to do so with SkyDrive.

no sky drive will just sync your files. I'm not really following what you want to do, sorry.

I want a file on my phone/tablet to sync up to something that is hooked up to my projector thus allowing me to use my phone/tablet with the students in a hands on way.

Sounds more like you're talking about wanting the display to be mirrored, like an iPad does over AppleTV. If you want a file synced, you just use SkyDrive...

Yes, that is what I would like... to mirror the thing like AppleTV does.

I'm not all that Windows literate, but plenty of conferencing services give you the ability to share out your desktop so I'm sure there has to be a piece of software that will do this for you. No idea where this will take you, but here's a link to their "Windows Desktop Sharing" service: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb968809%28v=vs.85%29.aspx

Stopped by the one MS Store in all of Wisconsin and asked for a easiest way to do what I want. Remote Desktop is the application I can use and the tablet should have it and Windows Professional 7 (work computer) should have it as well. So, the answer was always there, just need to get educated about the apps. Will have to wait till I get my tablet back to test this out.

I could do this with my phone but there is a little more to it.

 

[Statorama]

Just an FYI to owners of software of any kind, if your product affects my browser in any way I hope you die and your children get sold into a child prostitution ring.

I don't want your toolbar. I don't want your search engine to be the page that opens when I open a new tab. I don't know anyone who does. Stop it.

That's pretty easy to avoid:

1) Don't visit suspect sites (unless it's porn - then it's ok)

2) When installing software, read thru the wizard instead of just clicking "Yes" like a blind robot. Lots of times those wizards will have "Install this special toolbar" checked by default. And, yes, there is such a thing as a "blind robot" - it's called "my wife".

3) Maybe some antivirus/firewall? Maybe?

Oh yeah, I know all of those. Good reminder for others though.

The one that just happened to me was a pesky sucker to dig out, even with all traces of the software removed. I guess that's why this ticked me off so much, as I'm pretty freaking careful about what I allow on my PC.

Of the things you listed, sites have been doing #2 more and more (especially Bing toolbar). They also do a sneaky thing where they "grey out" the "decline" button to make you think you can't decline.

 

[SlaX]

Just an FYI to owners of software of any kind, if your product affects my browser in any way I hope you die and your children get sold into a child prostitution ring.

I don't want your toolbar. I don't want your search engine to be the page that opens when I open a new tab. I don't know anyone who does. Stop it.

That's pretty easy to avoid:

1) Don't visit suspect sites (unless it's porn - then it's ok)

2) When installing software, read thru the wizard instead of just clicking "Yes" like a blind robot. Lots of times those wizards will have "Install this special toolbar" checked by default. And, yes, there is such a thing as a "blind robot" - it's called "my wife".

3) Maybe some antivirus/firewall? Maybe?

Oh yeah, I know all of those. Good reminder for others though.

The one that just happened to me was a pesky sucker to dig out, even with all traces of the software removed. I guess that's why this ticked me off so much, as I'm pretty freaking careful about what I allow on my PC.

Of the things you listed, sites have been doing #2 more and more (especially Bing toolbar). They also do a sneaky thing where they "grey out" the "decline" button to make you think you can't decline.

If I can't install it without opting in for the toolbar, I won't complete the install.

 

[Statorama]

Just an FYI to owners of software of any kind, if your product affects my browser in any way I hope you die and your children get sold into a child prostitution ring.

I don't want your toolbar. I don't want your search engine to be the page that opens when I open a new tab. I don't know anyone who does. Stop it.

That's pretty easy to avoid:

1) Don't visit suspect sites (unless it's porn - then it's ok)

2) When installing software, read thru the wizard instead of just clicking "Yes" like a blind robot. Lots of times those wizards will have "Install this special toolbar" checked by default. And, yes, there is such a thing as a "blind robot" - it's called "my wife".

3) Maybe some antivirus/firewall? Maybe?

Oh yeah, I know all of those. Good reminder for others though.

The one that just happened to me was a pesky sucker to dig out, even with all traces of the software removed. I guess that's why this ticked me off so much, as I'm pretty freaking careful about what I allow on my PC.

Of the things you listed, sites have been doing #2 more and more (especially Bing toolbar). They also do a sneaky thing where they "grey out" the "decline" button to make you think you can't decline.

If I can't install it without opting in for the toolbar, I won't complete the install.

This one I had was clever. Didn't change your home page and didn't add a tool bar. But anytime you opened a fresh tab in addition to the home page, the "tab page" was their little search engine powered by Bing. It turned out to be an easy undo in IE, but Firefox was a little cranky about it.

 

[Maelstrom]

Just an FYI to owners of software of any kind, if your product affects my browser in any way I hope you die and your children get sold into a child prostitution ring.

I don't want your toolbar. I don't want your search engine to be the page that opens when I open a new tab. I don't know anyone who does. Stop it.

That's pretty easy to avoid:

1) Don't visit suspect sites (unless it's porn - then it's ok)

2) When installing software, read thru the wizard instead of just clicking "Yes" like a blind robot. Lots of times those wizards will have "Install this special toolbar" checked by default. And, yes, there is such a thing as a "blind robot" - it's called "my wife".

3) Maybe some antivirus/firewall? Maybe?

Oh yeah, I know all of those. Good reminder for others though.

The one that just happened to me was a pesky sucker to dig out, even with all traces of the software removed. I guess that's why this ticked me off so much, as I'm pretty freaking careful about what I allow on my PC.

Of the things you listed, sites have been doing #2 more and more (especially Bing toolbar). They also do a sneaky thing where they "grey out" the "decline" button to make you think you can't decline.

If I can't install it without opting in for the toolbar, I won't complete the install.

This one I had was clever. Didn't change your home page and didn't add a tool bar. But anytime you opened a fresh tab in addition to the home page, the "tab page" was their little search engine powered by Bing. It turned out to be an easy undo in IE, but Firefox was a little cranky about it.

They get paid for each install. And people install it like crazy, cause most people just blindly click next next next. It is annoying and aggravating.

The "new" thing to be cautious of is Chrome Extensions. Got some you like? Watch out, adware and malware companies are buying them, or if not buying them, offering the creators $$ in order to add scummy or even malicious code to their extension, which you already "trust". One such extension author was offered a deal that was in the 6 figures, turned it down, but many extension authors put these together in their own time and an offer of 4 or 5 figures (which is not uncommon) is too good to pass up when the extension might have grossed a few hundred dollars at most up to that point.

 

[Bri]

Ninite is pretty awesome if you're setting up a computer looking for regular programs to put on it

 

[MaxThreshold]

Just an FYI to owners of software of any kind, if your product affects my browser in any way I hope you die and your children get sold into a child prostitution ring.

I don't want your toolbar. I don't want your search engine to be the page that opens when I open a new tab. I don't know anyone who does. Stop it.

That's pretty easy to avoid:

1) Don't visit suspect sites (unless it's porn - then it's ok)

2) When installing software, read thru the wizard instead of just clicking "Yes" like a blind robot. Lots of times those wizards will have "Install this special toolbar" checked by default. And, yes, there is such a thing as a "blind robot" - it's called "my wife".

3) Maybe some antivirus/firewall? Maybe?

Oh yeah, I know all of those. Good reminder for others though.

The one that just happened to me was a pesky sucker to dig out, even with all traces of the software removed. I guess that's why this ticked me off so much, as I'm pretty freaking careful about what I allow on my PC.

Of the things you listed, sites have been doing #2 more and more (especially Bing toolbar). They also do a sneaky thing where they "grey out" the "decline" button to make you think you can't decline.

I totally forgot about that.

 

[Polish Hammer]

WINDOWS 8 PROBLEM

For a little over a year or so I've been running my wife's laptop off of Windows 8 after upgrading it from Vista. We really haven't had any problems the whole time. Until yesterday.

My son went to start it up and got some message that basically said "Windows 8 has encountered a problem and is gathering the information. It will now restart." Unfortunately, it seems to be stuck in an infinite loop with this. I tried to use F8 and Shift+F8 to get into safe mode and that isn't working at all. I've tried it about a dozen times. Is there anything I can do or do I just need to pull out the discs and reinstall?

 

[Bri]

WINDOWS 8 PROBLEM

For a little over a year or so I've been running my wife's laptop off of Windows 8 after upgrading it from Vista. We really haven't had any problems the whole time. Until yesterday.

My son went to start it up and got some message that basically said "Windows 8 has encountered a problem and is gathering the information. It will now restart." Unfortunately, it seems to be stuck in an infinite loop with this. I tried to use F8 and Shift+F8 to get into safe mode and that isn't working at all. I've tried it about a dozen times. Is there anything I can do or do I just need to pull out the discs and reinstall?

that's a huge leap. How did you get the right drivers for that?

what is the actual message and what color is the screen?

Can you hit f2 or f10?

 

[Mario Kart]

Trying to update to 8.1 on my tablet... not going. Argh!

 

[Polish Hammer]

WINDOWS 8 PROBLEM

For a little over a year or so I've been running my wife's laptop off of Windows 8 after upgrading it from Vista. We really haven't had any problems the whole time. Until yesterday.

My son went to start it up and got some message that basically said "Windows 8 has encountered a problem and is gathering the information. It will now restart." Unfortunately, it seems to be stuck in an infinite loop with this. I tried to use F8 and Shift+F8 to get into safe mode and that isn't working at all. I've tried it about a dozen times. Is there anything I can do or do I just need to pull out the discs and reinstall?

that's a huge leap. How did you get the right drivers for that?

what is the actual message and what color is the screen?

Can you hit f2 or f10?

What is a huge leap, Vista to Windows 8? It really wasn't that hard. The drivers were all OK'd when I did the pre-install check via Microsoft's tool (I don't remember the name). The microphone in the laptop stopped working, but I think that was before W8 and is just a hardware failure.

I'll go run the laptop and get a picture of the message. Screen is blue, which scares me. But a lighter blue, not the old school BSOD blue.

Will also try F2 and F10.

 

[Polish Hammer]

":(Your PC ran into a problem and needs to restart. We're just collecting some error info, and then we'll restart for you."I got both F2 and F10 to work. Wasn't sure what to do in the BIOS menu so I just took screenshots of each page. The F10 just gives me the option of booting to the DVD, SSD, or "PCI LAN: B02 D00 Yukon PXE"

 

[Mario Kart]

Getting my tablet back up to where I want it. 8.1 is installed. So, have to tinker with it.

Only problem for my tablet is the battery... takes forever to charge. Surface Pro 2, if cheaper would be an option for me.

 

[FBG26]

":(Your PC ran into a problem and needs to restart.  We're just collecting some error info, and then we'll restart for you."

I got both F2 and F10 to work. Wasn't sure what to do in the BIOS menu so I just took screenshots of each page. The F10 just gives me the option of booting to the DVD, SSD, or "PCI LAN: B02 D00 Yukon PXE"

Did you google the error phrase? At first I thought that sounds like a hard drive error, but after googling the phrase it sounds like it could be several things. Did you recently upgrade from 8.0 to 8.1?

 

[Polish Hammer]

The 8.1 upgrade was a few weeks ago for that laptop, at least. I figured I would be in the clear.

If I pop in the install discs will I have the option to just do a repair versus a fresh install?

 

[Mario Kart]

I hate SkyDrive. I really hate it. Does not allow me to do anything other than keep adding stuff to folders and not going in the place I want stuff to go. Stupid.

 

[Chaka]

I hate SkyDrive. I really hate it. Does not allow me to do anything other than keep adding stuff to folders and not going in the place I want stuff to go. Stupid.

What's the problem?

I just switched my company to 365 and we find the SharePoint (effectively the business version of SkyDrive) and it works wonderfully.

 

[Chaka]

BTW I am not saying that Win 8 is such a big boost over Win 7 that everyone should rush to upgrade. Win 7 is terrific and there is no reason to upgrade.

However if you are getting a new machine there is no reason to avoid Win 8, it is a solid OS and compares with Win 7 on every level.

 

[Bri]

BTW I am not saying that Win 8 is such a big boost over Win 7 that everyone should rush to upgrade. Win 7 is terrific and there is no reason to upgrade.

However if you are getting a new machine there is no reason to avoid Win 8, it is a solid OS and compares with Win 7 on every level.

the start menu absent is just so annoying and I do not like hovering on the right. Start menu is coming back in windows 8.2 and the hovering junk can be turned off too. I'd guess that means microsoft "heard it" from a lot of users.

I go to iobit and get their start menu immediately after installing windows 8.

Steve Jobs introduced stuff that was so smooth to get used to. Microsoft is always more like "this is how it is, like it or not."

 

[SacramentoBob]

Steve Jobs introduced stuff that was so smooth to get used to. Microsoft is always more like "this is how it is, like it or not."

Pretty sure Apple is the company known for "this is how it is, like it or not".

 

[Chaka]

BTW I am not saying that Win 8 is such a big boost over Win 7 that everyone should rush to upgrade. Win 7 is terrific and there is no reason to upgrade.

However if you are getting a new machine there is no reason to avoid Win 8, it is a solid OS and compares with Win 7 on every level.

the start menu absent is just so annoying and I do not like hovering on the right. Start menu is coming back in windows 8.2 and the hovering junk can be turned off too. I'd guess that means microsoft "heard it" from a lot of users.

I go to iobit and get their start menu immediately after installing windows 8.

Steve Jobs introduced stuff that was so smooth to get used to. Microsoft is always more like "this is how it is, like it or not."

I can't get over how much people are bothered by the new start menu.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

BTW I am not saying that Win 8 is such a big boost over Win 7 that everyone should rush to upgrade. Win 7 is terrific and there is no reason to upgrade.

However if you are getting a new machine there is no reason to avoid Win 8, it is a solid OS and compares with Win 7 on every level.

the start menu absent is just so annoying and I do not like hovering on the right. Start menu is coming back in windows 8.2 and the hovering junk can be turned off too. I'd guess that means microsoft "heard it" from a lot of users.

I go to iobit and get their start menu immediately after installing windows 8.

Steve Jobs introduced stuff that was so smooth to get used to. Microsoft is always more like "this is how it is, like it or not."

I can't get over how much people are bothered by the new start menu.

Yeah, I don't get it either. Stuff that gets used a lot can be pinned to the taskbar. Looking for other stuff is as easy is hitting the WIN key and typing the start of the name. That actually seems easier to me than sifting through folders and subfolders while trying not to lose the menu on the old OS.

 

[The Commish]

Steve Jobs introduced stuff that was so smooth to get used to. Microsoft is always more like "this is how it is, like it or not."

um.....wat?

 

[The Commish]

By the way...is microsoft dead yet? They've been dying for 15ish years now, right?

 

[Chaka]

BTW I am not saying that Win 8 is such a big boost over Win 7 that everyone should rush to upgrade. Win 7 is terrific and there is no reason to upgrade.

However if you are getting a new machine there is no reason to avoid Win 8, it is a solid OS and compares with Win 7 on every level.

the start menu absent is just so annoying and I do not like hovering on the right. Start menu is coming back in windows 8.2 and the hovering junk can be turned off too. I'd guess that means microsoft "heard it" from a lot of users.

I go to iobit and get their start menu immediately after installing windows 8.

Steve Jobs introduced stuff that was so smooth to get used to. Microsoft is always more like "this is how it is, like it or not."

I can't get over how much people are bothered by the new start menu.

Yeah, I don't get it either. Stuff that gets used a lot can be pinned to the taskbar. Looking for other stuff is as easy is hitting the WIN key and typing the start of the name. That actually seems easier to me than sifting through folders and subfolders while trying not to lose the menu on the old OS.

I agree. It took me a couple days to get used to it but now I find it much more efficient.

 

[DrJ]

By the way...is microsoft dead yet?

About halfway.

 

[DrJ]

BTW I am not saying that Win 8 is such a big boost over Win 7 that everyone should rush to upgrade. Win 7 is terrific and there is no reason to upgrade.

However if you are getting a new machine there is no reason to avoid Win 8, it is a solid OS and compares with Win 7 on every level.

the start menu absent is just so annoying and I do not like hovering on the right. Start menu is coming back in windows 8.2 and the hovering junk can be turned off too. I'd guess that means microsoft "heard it" from a lot of users.

I go to iobit and get their start menu immediately after installing windows 8.

Steve Jobs introduced stuff that was so smooth to get used to. Microsoft is always more like "this is how it is, like it or not."

I can't get over how much people are bothered by the new start menu.

Yeah, I don't get it either. Stuff that gets used a lot can be pinned to the taskbar. Looking for other stuff is as easy is hitting the WIN key and typing the start of the name. That actually seems easier to me than sifting through folders and subfolders while trying not to lose the menu on the old OS.

Definitely happy to start using this method now in Windows 7 now, but they took away functionality without actually replacing it with something better. Or even at all. Many people used that functionality, kind of understandable since it was sitting there smack dab in the lower left corner and was even referenced in quite a bit of training material. Some might have even become so accustomed to this that they prefer it over using the keyboard for everything.

 

[Chaka]

BTW I am not saying that Win 8 is such a big boost over Win 7 that everyone should rush to upgrade. Win 7 is terrific and there is no reason to upgrade.

However if you are getting a new machine there is no reason to avoid Win 8, it is a solid OS and compares with Win 7 on every level.

the start menu absent is just so annoying and I do not like hovering on the right. Start menu is coming back in windows 8.2 and the hovering junk can be turned off too. I'd guess that means microsoft "heard it" from a lot of users.

I go to iobit and get their start menu immediately after installing windows 8.

Steve Jobs introduced stuff that was so smooth to get used to. Microsoft is always more like "this is how it is, like it or not."

I can't get over how much people are bothered by the new start menu.

Yeah, I don't get it either. Stuff that gets used a lot can be pinned to the taskbar. Looking for other stuff is as easy is hitting the WIN key and typing the start of the name. That actually seems easier to me than sifting through folders and subfolders while trying not to lose the menu on the old OS.

Definitely happy to start using this method now in Windows 7 now, but they took away functionality without actually replacing it with something better. Or even at all. Many people used that functionality, kind of understandable since it was sitting there smack dab in the lower left corner and was even referenced in quite a bit of training material. Some might have even become so accustomed to this that they prefer it over using the keyboard for everything.

I have used the keyboard for as much as possible for a long time now, it is just far more efficient. I do enjoy the way the Win 7 start menu displays options as I type. I would have been fine with including the Win 7 start menu in Win 8 but I certainly don't miss it either. Perhaps I would if I was mouse dependent like so many users. I am always baffled watching experienced computer users plodding around using the mouse for everything.

 

[Polish Hammer]

The 8.1 upgrade was a few weeks ago for that laptop, at least. I figured I would be in the clear.

If I pop in the install discs will I have the option to just do a repair versus a fresh install?

Any thoughts on this? Not sure if I ever made a recovery disk set. Yes, I'm stupid.

 

[Maelstrom]

BTW I am not saying that Win 8 is such a big boost over Win 7 that everyone should rush to upgrade. Win 7 is terrific and there is no reason to upgrade.

However if you are getting a new machine there is no reason to avoid Win 8, it is a solid OS and compares with Win 7 on every level.

the start menu absent is just so annoying and I do not like hovering on the right. Start menu is coming back in windows 8.2 and the hovering junk can be turned off too. I'd guess that means microsoft "heard it" from a lot of users.

I go to iobit and get their start menu immediately after installing windows 8.

Steve Jobs introduced stuff that was so smooth to get used to. Microsoft is always more like "this is how it is, like it or not."

The Start Button is already back in 8.1. I too can't figure out how people are so against change. I look forward to the next set of changes and hope they continue to make things more efficient.

 

[Mario Kart]

http://news.yahoo.com/world-best-windows-phones-now-free-trade-iphone-023054142.html

Windows phones for "free" if you have a iPhone 4s. Not a bad deal to switch if you are looking for something new.

I have the 1520 and may not mind downgrading to the 1020. But, most likely I go with the iPhone 6 when it comes out. Overall though, the 1520 is a nice piece of equipment.