Mike Brown Placed On IR (1 Viewer)

[biggamer3]

he was my first Defensive back taken, why hasnt he done anything?

is he still injured?

 

[Chaos Commish]

he was my first Defensive back taken, why hasnt he done anything?is he still injured?

My conclusion is you want to seek him out in redrafts where he may have been dismissed already, trade for him in dynsasties and keepers if your team is contending and needs a push at DB. His first three years in the league (00 - 02) were awesome. In 03 he was inconsistent and the numbers weren't as good. In 04 he missed most of the season. Last year he seemed to be back until missing the last four games of the regular season. He was on pace to match his best tackle season, and he was back to making some big plays. His achilles slowed him down this offseason and there was plenty of speculation about his status. Well, he's started every game. He seems healthy. He is also the "vocal leader" of that awesome defense and team captain. The numbers are down right now, and part of that could be him losing a step or those around him getting better. He's basically forced a fumble and averaged three solos a game through five weeks. A couple recent articles led me to believe he's at full strength and it's just a matter of time before he gets his. From a fantasy perspective he has the same similar disappointing "feel" as Ed Reed, but I think Brown is more likely to have a big season from here than Reed. Reed's going to explode and have his moments. So, is Brown, but Brown is, imo, in a position to be more conistent. Along comes Matt Leinart. Leinart thrives in the short game, slicing and dicing, then taking his shots. But he is rookie who does not hold on to the ball long. He is not looking off safeties safely and he is not going through progressions. If ever you wanted to start Brown this has to be the perfect set up for him. This is his week. It's now or never anyway...

 

[Jene Bramel]

he was my first Defensive back taken, why hasnt he done anything?is he still injured?

My conclusion is you want to seek him out in redrafts where he may have been dismissed already, trade for him in dynsasties and keepers if your team is contending and needs a push at DB. His first three years in the league (00 - 02) were awesome. In 03 he was inconsistent and the numbers weren't as good. In 04 he missed most of the season. Last year he seemed to be back until missing the last four games of the regular season. He was on pace to match his best tackle season, and he was back to making some big plays. His achilles slowed him down this offseason and there was plenty of speculation about his status. Well, he's started every game. He seems healthy. He is also the "vocal leader" of that awesome defense and team captain. The numbers are down right now, and part of that could be him losing a step or those around him getting better. He's basically forced a fumble and averaged three solos a game through five weeks. A couple recent articles led me to believe he's at full strength and it's just a matter of time before he gets his. From a fantasy perspective he has the same similar disappointing "feel" as Ed Reed, but I think Brown is more likely to have a big season from here than Reed. Reed's going to explode and have his moments. So, is Brown, but Brown is, imo, in a position to be more conistent. Along comes Matt Leinart. Leinart thrives in the short game, slicing and dicing, then taking his shots. But he is rookie who does not hold on to the ball long. He is not looking off safeties safely and he is not going through progressions. If ever you wanted to start Brown this has to be the perfect set up for him. This is his week. It's now or never anyway...

Two caveats.One, the Bear defense is so good that even the secondary guys (Brown and Tillman specifically) are getting killed by lack of opportunity (they get off the field too quickly) and the success of the pass rush in finishing the play this year (more sacks and no play pressures than pressuring the QB into mistakes this year).Two, I do think the Achilles thing is an issue. Maybe Brown is healthy enough to play over Chris Harris or Brandon McGowan but the explosion in run support and coverage and tackling has clearly been lacking. If CC's sources are solid, this may soon no longer be a major issue.I agree with CC, if you can get him cheaply enough, he's a very attractive buy low candidate.

 

[TitusIII]

he was my first Defensive back taken, why hasnt he done anything?is he still injured?

My conclusion is you want to seek him out in redrafts where he may have been dismissed already, trade for him in dynsasties and keepers if your team is contending and needs a push at DB. His first three years in the league (00 - 02) were awesome. In 03 he was inconsistent and the numbers weren't as good. In 04 he missed most of the season. Last year he seemed to be back until missing the last four games of the regular season. He was on pace to match his best tackle season, and he was back to making some big plays. His achilles slowed him down this offseason and there was plenty of speculation about his status. Well, he's started every game. He seems healthy. He is also the "vocal leader" of that awesome defense and team captain. The numbers are down right now, and part of that could be him losing a step or those around him getting better. He's basically forced a fumble and averaged three solos a game through five weeks. A couple recent articles led me to believe he's at full strength and it's just a matter of time before he gets his. From a fantasy perspective he has the same similar disappointing "feel" as Ed Reed, but I think Brown is more likely to have a big season from here than Reed. Reed's going to explode and have his moments. So, is Brown, but Brown is, imo, in a position to be more conistent. Along comes Matt Leinart. Leinart thrives in the short game, slicing and dicing, then taking his shots. But he is rookie who does not hold on to the ball long. He is not looking off safeties safely and he is not going through progressions. If ever you wanted to start Brown this has to be the perfect set up for him. This is his week. It's now or never anyway...

Two caveats.One, the Bear defense is so good that even the secondary guys (Brown and Tillman specifically) are getting killed by lack of opportunity (they get off the field too quickly) and the success of the pass rush in finishing the play this year (more sacks and no play pressures than pressuring the QB into mistakes this year).Two, I do think the Achilles thing is an issue. Maybe Brown is healthy enough to play over Chris Harris or Brandon McGowan but the explosion in run support and coverage and tackling has clearly been lacking. If CC's sources are solid, this may soon no longer be a major issue.I agree with CC, if you can get him cheaply enough, he's a very attractive buy low candidate.

Brown stated before the season that his achilles was going to limit him and he would simply have to deal with it.

 

[boubucarow]

Brown was all over running plays last year. He met backs at or behind the line of scrimmage on a consistent basis. He does not have the same explosion this year. While it is true that his opportunities have been limited by the overall strength of the defense, he is not the same player that started last year.

 

[brakeyawself]

Brown was all over running plays last year. He met backs at or behind the line of scrimmage on a consistent basis. He does not have the same explosion this year. While it is true that his opportunities have been limited by the overall strength of the defense, he is not the same player that started last year.

I agree. Id almost bump manning as I think he's now the best chicago playmaking safety.

 

[5Rings]

I dunno.

I think the combination of age, injuries, and a dominant front 7 will limit his fantasy value the rest of the season. He sure doesn't look like the same player as the last few years.

The front 7 is probably what worries me the most--just look at Urlacher's horrible #s from a FFB perspective, #55 on a ppg basis.

I'm worried about all CHI IDP guys not named Harris or Briggs right now.

 

[Chaos Commish]

I dunno.

I think the combination of age, injuries, and a dominant front 7 will limit his fantasy value the rest of the season. He sure doesn't look like the same player as the last few years.

The front 7 is probably what worries me the most--just look at Urlacher's horrible #s from a FFB perspective, #55 on a ppg basis.

I'm worried about all CHI IDP guys not named Harris or Briggs right now.

It's a reasonable concern. It's also a long season. The Bears aren't going to kill everyone and that D will be challenged (giving up almost 4 yds a carry, btw, that's 16th in the league). Offenses will open up, the weather will turn, Brown will find himself in better situations. I believe these things have a history of evening out to a degree (although miserable seasons happen). Sometimes I'm as interested in finding a player who is "due" as I am in analyzing matchups (they go together in my mind). I think Brown is due and has a great matchup (for big plays anyway) this weekend. We'll see. I understand the odds are stacked against such a prediction. I did call the Vikes taking Grossman back for six and started both corners in anticipation. I think the Bears return the favor on Leinart and it should be a safety or LB in the middle or flat rather than a corner. Leinart telegraphs one to Edge or a TE seam route and -6. No one is better at sitting on those than Mike Brown. Something I find encouraging along the lines of what 5Rings sees as discouraging is the Bears internal numbers. Brown is currently fourth on the team in total tackles trailing, 1a Urlacher, 1b Briggs, and 3 Tillman. That's pretty much how they projected with most of the negative speculation on Brown anyway. I think that's a subtle argument for him doing exactly what he should be doing. Twice last weekend Brown was livid with the defense on the sidelines. He chewed them out for allowing a long drive (thwarted by an interception) and for allowing the final TD. Maybe my homespun psychology is over the top here, but if you're struggling personally, you probably don't call out Briggs and Urlacher, Tillman and Vasher, ABrown and Harris-- not the way Brown did. The DC was glad Brown did it. I think Brown is playing solid and the big games are coming. I think his early numbers are a trap for people to go critical on him. He is a buy low.

I want Tenacious D's input on this one. Tony? You out there?

 

[pretender]

I dunno.

I think the combination of age, injuries, and a dominant front 7 will limit his fantasy value the rest of the season. He sure doesn't look like the same player as the last few years.

The front 7 is probably what worries me the most--just look at Urlacher's horrible #s from a FFB perspective, #55 on a ppg basis.

I'm worried about all CHI IDP guys not named Harris or Briggs right now.

It's a reasonable concern. It's also a long season. The Bears aren't going to kill everyone and that D will be challenged (giving up almost 4 yds a carry, btw, that's 16th in the league). Offenses will open up, the weather will turn, Brown will find himself in better situations. I believe these things have a history of evening out to a degree (although miserable seasons happen). Sometimes I'm as interested in finding a player who is "due" as I am in analyzing matchups (they go together in my mind). I think Brown is due and has a great matchup (for big plays anyway) this weekend. We'll see. I understand the odds are stacked against such a prediction. I did call the Vikes taking Grossman back for six and started both corners in anticipation. I think the Bears return the favor on Leinart and it should be a safety or LB in the middle or flat rather than a corner. Leinart telegraphs one to Edge or a TE seam route and -6. No one is better at sitting on those than Mike Brown. Something I find encouraging along the lines of what 5Rings sees as discouraging is the Bears internal numbers. Brown is currently fourth on the team in total tackles trailing, 1a Urlacher, 1b Briggs, and 3 Tillman. That's pretty much how they projected with most of the negative speculation on Brown anyway. I think that's a subtle argument for him doing exactly what he should be doing. Twice last weekend Brown was livid with the defense on the sidelines. He chewed them out for allowing a long drive (thwarted by an interception) and for allowing the final TD. Maybe my homespun psychology is over the top here, but if you're struggling personally, you probably don't call out Briggs and Urlacher, Tillman and Vasher, ABrown and Harris-- not the way Brown did. The DC was glad Brown did it. I think Brown is playing solid and the big games are coming. I think his early numbers are a trap for people to go critical on him. He is a buy low.

I want Tenacious D's input on this one. Tony? You out there?

With all the talk of the Chicago D and Mike Brown - I am not seeing anything much on the rookie Danniel Manning. I know he is playing FS but in a cover 2 the safties don't get the plays as much as a good tackling CB - so what are the thought on Danniel boy as long as we are discussing the secondary of the Chicago D. (slight hijack - sorry)

 

[Jene Bramel]

With all the talk of the Chicago D and Mike Brown - I am not seeing anything much on the rookie Danniel Manning. I know he is playing FS but in a cover 2 the safties don't get the plays as much as a good tackling CB - so what are the thought on Danniel boy as long as we are discussing the secondary of the Chicago D. (slight hijack - sorry)

No change in his value. Free safeties are at the mercy of the success of their team and surrounding cast. Add in the still more frequent deep coverage responsibilities (rather than intermediate zone coverage against TE/RB/slot WR) in the T2, and Manning will remain an inconsistent option at best. Another one of those good players who is vital to the success of the defense but not flashy enough in the boxscore often enough to worry over in IDP leagues for now.

 

[Chaos Commish]

 

[E-A-G-L-E-S]

 

[Jene Bramel]

Shouldn't have done that...Brown to the cart with a gimpy right leg.

 

[Chaos Commish]

Shouldn't have done that...Brown to the cart with a gimpy right leg.

Yeah, I have a very bad feeling about this too. Oh well, I started him tonight and it was sweet. Prolly back to the drawing board.

 

[lord_helmet]

Shouldn't have done that...Brown to the cart with a gimpy right leg.

Yeah, I have a very bad feeling about this too. Oh well, I started him tonight and it was sweet. Prolly back to the drawing board.

Great call CC , very frustrating he had to get injured tho

 

[Chaos Commish]

Shouldn't have done that...Brown to the cart with a gimpy right leg.

Yeah, I have a very bad feeling about this too. Oh well, I started him tonight and it was sweet. Prolly back to the drawing board.

Great call CC , very frustrating he had to get injured tho

Thanks. Pure luck. Calling a defensive TD is pretty wierd for an IDP, but I think a reasonable proposition for a defense. Brown's wasn't the type I predicted. Anderson forced the fumble and Brown scooped it up. I was expecting Leinart to slice and dice like he did and get burned for it. That never happened to be honest. It almost happened a couple times and one was Briggs about the way I expected it, but my Brown TD prediction, as it happened, while cool and wierd, was lucky. The more important matter in this thread was Brown going forward as a buy low now, and that seems to be a bad idea. I haven't heard anything more about the foot, but he was limping like his achilles was the problem. I hope not, but if anyone was buying low or scooping him based on this discussion, that may have been bad advice. Again, I thought he played well while on the field.

 

[lord_helmet]

(Rotoworld) Coach Lovie Smith said Tuesday that safety Mike Brown has a sprained foot.

Impact: Brown left Monday night's game in the fourth quarter and was seen wearing a walking boot afterward, so the Bears' bye week comes at a good time for him. The good news is that it's not an Achilles injury, which Brown has struggled with in the past.

 

[Young 8]

Mike Brown-DB- Bears Oct. 18 - 2:38 pm et

Bears Pro Bowl S Mike Brown is out indefinitely after foot surgery Wednesday.

No timetable has been given for his return, but it's a big blow to Chicago's secondary. Chris Harris is likely to take over at strong safety when he's healthy, but he's struggling with a thigh injury. Todd Johnson is likely to start as long as Harris is out.

Source: Bears.com

 

[Chaos Commish]

Mike Brown-DB- Bears Oct. 18 - 2:38 pm et

Bears Pro Bowl S Mike Brown is out indefinitely after foot surgery Wednesday.

No timetable has been given for his return, but it's a big blow to Chicago's secondary. Chris Harris is likely to take over at strong safety when he's healthy, but he's struggling with a thigh injury. Todd Johnson is likely to start as long as Harris is out.

Source: Bears.com

Thanks for reporting. Wow, I am so jinxed with injuries, it's crazy. At least this was his only start for me.

 

[pretender]

Mike Brown-DB- Bears Oct. 18 - 2:38 pm et

Bears Pro Bowl S Mike Brown is out indefinitely after foot surgery Wednesday.

No timetable has been given for his return, but it's a big blow to Chicago's secondary. Chris Harris is likely to take over at strong safety when he's healthy, but he's struggling with a thigh injury. Todd Johnson is likely to start as long as Harris is out.

Source: Bears.com

Any chance D Manning slids to SS and T Johnson goes to FS? Hopeful D Manning owner?

 

[Jene Bramel]

Mike Brown-DB- Bears Oct. 18 - 2:38 pm et

Bears Pro Bowl S Mike Brown is out indefinitely after foot surgery Wednesday.

No timetable has been given for his return, but it's a big blow to Chicago's secondary. Chris Harris is likely to take over at strong safety when he's healthy, but he's struggling with a thigh injury. Todd Johnson is likely to start as long as Harris is out.

Source: Bears.com

Any chance D Manning slids to SS and T Johnson goes to FS? Hopeful D Manning owner?

Manning may see a small bump in value because Johnson is nowhere near the player Mike Brown is, but a change is position is very unlikely.

 

[lord_helmet]

 

[Young 8]

ESPN's John Clayton reports the "betting line" for Bears strong safety Mike Brown (foot) is that he'll miss the rest of the season.

Brown, one of the better DBs in the league, will be replaced by Todd Johnson until Chris Harris (thigh) gets healthy. Chicago has depth in numbers in the secondary, but whether it's quality remains to be seen.

 

[Chumpy]

Done for the year - Johnson set to replace him at SS

Link

 

[boubucarow]

Danieal Manning will almost certainly stay at free safety for a decade. He is a fast free safety with tremendous range and good ball skills. He is not an in the box safety. Chris Harris is the season long answer here. He was a very good in the box safety last but didn't have free safety range. When he is healthy, he will be the best IDP safety on the Bears. Manning will be a iinconsistent big play type of IDP like Ed Reed with the possibility of a little bit more consistent tackles.

 

[boubucarow]

I will add that Todd Johnson has the possibility of keeping the job but I would be surprised if he did.

 

[Bizkiteer]

Brown has quickly become the poster child for injury prone. Look it up in the handbook and his picture should now be there. Talented guy, but ALWAYS getting injured.

 

[lord_helmet]

(Rotoworld) Bears strong safety Mike Brown underwent successful surgery to correct a tear of the Lisfranc ligament in his right foot Wednesday

Impact: He plans to begin his rehab in ten months but the jury remains out on his status for 2007, when he's due a $2.44 million base salary. Brown will remain with the team this year to tutor replacement Todd Johnson.

 

[5Rings]

I dunno.

I think the combination of age, injuries, and a dominant front 7 will limit his fantasy value the rest of the season. He sure doesn't look like the same player as the last few years.

The front 7 is probably what worries me the most--just look at Urlacher's horrible #s from a FFB perspective, #55 on a ppg basis.

I'm worried about all CHI IDP guys not named Harris or Briggs right now.

It's a reasonable concern. It's also a long season. The Bears aren't going to kill everyone and that D will be challenged (giving up almost 4 yds a carry, btw, that's 16th in the league). Offenses will open up, the weather will turn, Brown will find himself in better situations. I believe these things have a history of evening out to a degree (although miserable seasons happen). Sometimes I'm as interested in finding a player who is "due" as I am in analyzing matchups (they go together in my mind). I think Brown is due and has a great matchup (for big plays anyway) this weekend. We'll see. I understand the odds are stacked against such a prediction. I did call the Vikes taking Grossman back for six and started both corners in anticipation. I think the Bears return the favor on Leinart and it should be a safety or LB in the middle or flat rather than a corner. Leinart telegraphs one to Edge or a TE seam route and -6. No one is better at sitting on those than Mike Brown. Something I find encouraging along the lines of what 5Rings sees as discouraging is the Bears internal numbers. Brown is currently fourth on the team in total tackles trailing, 1a Urlacher, 1b Briggs, and 3 Tillman. That's pretty much how they projected with most of the negative speculation on Brown anyway. I think that's a subtle argument for him doing exactly what he should be doing. Twice last weekend Brown was livid with the defense on the sidelines. He chewed them out for allowing a long drive (thwarted by an interception) and for allowing the final TD. Maybe my homespun psychology is over the top here, but if you're struggling personally, you probably don't call out Briggs and Urlacher, Tillman and Vasher, ABrown and Harris-- not the way Brown did. The DC was glad Brown did it. I think Brown is playing solid and the big games are coming. I think his early numbers are a trap for people to go critical on him. He is a buy low.

I want Tenacious D's input on this one. Tony? You out there?

Nice call on Mike Brown having a big play.