Mike McCarthy new Packers head coach (2 Viewers)

[Fla\/\/ed]

I don't assume McCarthy is going to fail -- but I do know Sherman won quite a bit of games in his time there, so it's going to be an awfully tall task for this guy to do any better.

Honestly, I think it's a mistake to even take the job. People there don't seem to be content with 10-11 win seasons, and your franchise QB isn't going to be around all that much longer.

Cappy, not one of your better posts.

 

[nightshift]

I read that McCarthy asks Favre to stay on. You think he's being real or payin' lip service to GB loyal?

 

[Fla\/\/ed]

I read that McCarthy asks Favre to stay on. You think he's being real or payin' lip service to GB loyal?

 

[Capella]

I don't assume McCarthy is going to fail -- but I do know Sherman won quite a bit of games in his time there, so it's going to be an awfully tall task for this guy to do any better.

Honestly, I think it's a mistake to even take the job. People there don't seem to be content with 10-11 win seasons, and your franchise QB isn't going to be around all that much longer.

Cappy, not one of your better posts.

Still waiting to hear how I'm wrong. All I get is "he did the little things wrong -- you just have to see them to know them" and "he ran off his coaches."Yeah, well -- he won.

 

[uwgb96]

Still waiting to hear how I'm wrong. All I get is "he did the little things wrong -- you just have to see them to know them" and "he ran off his coaches."

Yeah, well -- he won.

Won REGULAR SEASON games. Wonderful. It's a real nice stat to put up, but in the end, if you can't win playoff games where does that leave you?

 

[KingPrawn]

Is it just me or does it seem like all the local GB fans are for the firing of Sherman but all the outsiders can't figure out why? Maybe the local fans that follow GB closely recognize the problems that existed on the team. This team wasted a lot of talent under Sherman. They may have had a winning record but it was in spite of him. Too bad we'll never know how good there record could have been.

 

[Capella]

They may have had a winning record but it was in spite of him.

This is such a ridiculous statement, on so many levels.You don't know that. You can't even pretend to know that.

 

[Fla\/\/ed]

I don't assume McCarthy is going to fail -- but I do know Sherman won quite a bit of games in his time there, so it's going to be an awfully tall task for this guy to do any better.

Honestly, I think it's a mistake to even take the job. People there don't seem to be content with 10-11 win seasons, and your franchise QB isn't going to be around all that much longer.

Cappy, not one of your better posts.

Still waiting to hear how I'm wrong. All I get is "he did the little things wrong -- you just have to see them to know them" and "he ran off his coaches."Yeah, well -- he won.

Do you follow the Packers and read about them daily? Do you know about comments made by former assistants about Sherman and how he runs the team? Do you know about comments made about Sherman by former players? Probably not and you know more about sports than to judge a coach only on won-loss record.

 

[packersfan]

Is it just me or does it seem like all the local GB fans are for the firing of Sherman but all the outsiders can't figure out why? Maybe the local fans that follow GB closely recognize the problems that existed on the team. This team wasted a lot of talent under Sherman. They may have had a winning record but it was in spite of him. Too bad we'll never know how good there record could have been.

It really comes down to people who either followed the situation closely and watched the situation closely and those who just looked at records and assumed everything was hunky dory. It wasn't. Those of us who have followed this situation closely have tried to explain in detail both in this thread and many others why Sherman had to go. It was a culmination of numerous factors both on and off the field.And while it's true that Sherman had a good record, it's also true that under Sherman the Packers went from being a strong homefield team to a weak one. It's also true that under Sherman the team fared poorly in the playoffs and suffered two of the most embarrassing losses in team history at home to inferior teams (to Atlanta and Minnsota).

If your intent is to have a head coach who will post a good regular-season record and prevent your team from reaching its full potential and ultimately do nothing in the playoffs, then Sherman's your guy.

Packer fans, however, want more from their head coach than that.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

I can certainly agree that the Packers seem to want more from their head coach than many other teams do. Surely Mike Holmgren, with zero playoff wins in Seattle to date, would no longer be coaching that team if the same standards were applied to him. Bill Cowher would have been fired long ago given the ups and downs he's had in his 14 years in Pittsburgh. Certainly Tony Dungy wouldn't last long in Green Bay - when have you ever seen Dungy jump up and down and scream like a clown on the sidelines the way we all know a good coach does?

When Ron Wolf fired Ray Rhodes after a single 8-8 season in 1999, he gave specific reasons as to why he pulled the plug. Ted Thompson wasn't as forthcoming in his press conference and it appears to me it is really change for the sake of change. I'm not a Sherman defender and I look forward to a new look on this team, but I think there will be more pain ahead. The Packers have enjoyed I believe 13 straight seasons without a losing record, which is extraordinary to say the least in the modern NFL and it will be truely amazing if McCarthy and Thompson can create another streak like that one. One thing I like about the McCarthy hiring is that it is clear Thompson is taking a huge risk with this guy rather than going with a safer candidate (as judged by the media). I like that because it shows he is clearly putting his butt on the line with this guy and I can only assume that means Thompson believes McCarthy is truely special. Bob Harlan will be gone after next season and John Jones will be the one to judge Thompson's performance. I think we will learn pretty quickly how long a leash Jones will have with these guys.

p.s. What about McCarthy's "Mission Statement" posted on the team website Packers.com? What is Mike saying and why doesn't he hire someone who can actually communicate a coherent thought in properly writtten english text? What's with the "quotes"?

THE FOUNDATION FOR THE NEW DIRECTION OF THE GREEN BAY PACKERS WILL BE CONSTRUCTED WITH THREE KEY COMPONENTS OF OBTAINING "PACKER PEOPLE," CREATING "STABLE STRUCTURE" AND CONCENTRATING ON "CHARACTER AND CHEMISTRY."

A POSITIVE ENVIRONMENT WILL BE CREATED WITH "LEADERSHIP" THAT KEEPS ITS EYE ON THE TARGET OF ESTABLISHING A CHAMPIONSHIP FOOTBALL TEAM.

THE DIRECTION WILL BE FUELED WITH CONSTANT COMMUNICATION TO ENSURE EVERYONE IS ON BOARD. WE WILL ATTACK THE VOYAGE WITH ENERGY AND ENTHUSIASM TO OVERCOME THE OBSTACLES THAT WE WILL ENCOUNTER.

THIS VISION IS ENHANCED WITH RESOURCES AND TRADITION THAT STANDS IN THE FOREFRONT OF PROFESSIONAL SPORTS ORGANIZATIONS.

I AM HONORED AND PRIVILEGED FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO LEAD THE GREEN BAY PACKERS ON A NEW JOURNEY BACK TO THE PINNACLE THAT BEARS THE NAME OF "COACH LOMBARDI."

This kind of sounds like a post in the FFA to me.

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

p.s. What about McCarthy's "Mission Statement" posted on the team website Packers.com? What is Mike saying and why doesn't he hire someone who can actually communicate a coherent thought in properly writtten english text? What's with the "quotes"?

I couldn't help reading that in Chris Farley voice.

 

[iSnitch]

Packer fans - GREAT MOVE!!! Sherman sucked!! ANYBODY can't be any worse!Non homers - Huh? You replaced Sherman with THIS unknown shmuck? Fine, Sherman was a lousy GM. So what? Many coaches have tried their hand at being GM and failed miserably but have otherwise been solid head coaches. Take away his GM job and just make him be coach-what's the problem with that? As a Niners fan, I'd be 100% ok with a head coach who ran every assistant off, so long as he kept winning games. Sherman may not be an "elite" coach but he's sure as Hell one that's above average. McCarthy might turn out to be a steal but nobody here can honestly say the guy has a good track record. I understand if cheeseheads didn't like Sherman but I'm totally stumped if they're happy with the alternative.Some homer will likely respond to this post by insulting me and saying I just don't get it, without explaining what makes this move so good.

 

[packersfan]

Sherman may not be an "elite" coach but he's sure as Hell one that's above average. McCarthy might turn out to be a steal but nobody here can honestly say the guy has a good track record. I understand if cheeseheads didn't like Sherman but I'm totally stumped if they're happy with the alternative.

None of the Packer fans I know personally are happy with the McCarthy hire at all. All of them believed Sherman deserved to be fired but McCarthy wasn't the replacement the fans I know personally were hoping for. Thompson's taking a HUGE risk here, no question about it. The decision to fire Sherman was the correct one and I can't really expect a non-Packer fan to understand all the reasons why although myself and some others have done all we can to provide the extremely lengthy list of reasons. But whether hiring McCarthy -- who has been in the playoffs just once in six seasons as an offensive coordinator -- was the right decision remains to be seen.

 

[sho nuff]

Packer fans - GREAT MOVE!!! Sherman sucked!! ANYBODY can't be any worse!

Non homers - Huh? You replaced Sherman with THIS unknown shmuck?

Fine, Sherman was a lousy GM. So what? Many coaches have tried their hand at being GM and failed miserably but have otherwise been solid head coaches. Take away his GM job and just make him be coach-what's the problem with that?

As a Niners fan, I'd be 100% ok with a head coach who ran every assistant off, so long as he kept winning games.

Sherman may not be an "elite" coach but he's sure as Hell one that's above average. McCarthy might turn out to be a steal but nobody here can honestly say the guy has a good track record. I understand if cheeseheads didn't like Sherman but I'm totally stumped if they're happy with the alternative.

Some homer will likely respond to this post by insulting me and saying I just don't get it, without explaining what makes this move so good.

Ummm...they did take away his job as GM...he went 4-12 in his first year as coach only...but GM was not the only reason he was fired. Those reasons have been listed over and over again.How can you say that people cannot say McCarthy has a good track record? Have you even seen it? Go all the way back to KC...where Grbac and Bono ended up looking like good QBs...to New Orleans where his teams were in the top 10-15 every single year in offense...including one year in the top 5. But do you just want to judge an OC by the team's overall record...or to judge him because of what he did in San Fran?

No need to insult you...but why try basically insulting anyone for being happy Sherman is gone, or that they are moving in a new direction with a young coach?

 

[Kleck.]

I sure hope McCarthy can find himself a good replacement for Bates now that he has stepped down as DC. It's hard to improve a defense when you are about to have four different DC's in four straight years.

 

[kwille]

Won REGULAR SEASON games. Wonderful. It's a real nice stat to put up, but in the end, if you can't win playoff games where does that leave you?

The Chicago Bears!

 

[sho nuff]

Won REGULAR SEASON games. Wonderful. It's a real nice stat to put up, but in the end, if you can't win playoff games where does that leave you?

The Chicago Bears!

 

[Kleck.]

And as a Tampa Bay fan I'd expect you of all people to realize that sometimes W-L records aren't always enough. Or do you think the Bucs made a mistake in firing Tony Dungy?

The difference here is, the Bucs replaced Dungy with an as good, or better coach.If they took a step backwards with their hire, I'd have been irate.

This is the best point you made in this thread. And I'm not sure Green Bay moved forward with the coaching changes. Everyone wants to give Thompson time before they claim these coaching moves good or bad, and I will too, but honestly I'm that all that thrilled right now.I was never the biggest Sherman fan, but that had more to do with his GM decisions. I do wonder what this team could have been like if they somehow were able to acquired Bates a couple years earlier or even the same year Sherman took over.

 

[MrPack]

Won REGULAR SEASON games.  Wonderful.  It's a real nice stat to put up, but in the end, if you can't win playoff games where does that leave you?

The Chicago Bears!

That one'll leave a mark with a certain population in here.

 

[metsjets91]

And as a Tampa Bay fan I'd expect you of all people to realize that sometimes W-L records aren't always enough. Or do you think the Bucs made a mistake in firing Tony Dungy?

The difference here is, the Bucs replaced Dungy with an as good, or better coach.

If they took a step backwards with their hire, I'd have been irate.

This is the best point you made in this thread. And I'm not sure Green Bay moved forward with the coaching changes. Everyone wants to give Thompson time before they claim these coaching moves good or bad, and I will too, but honestly I'm that all that thrilled right now.

I was never the biggest Sherman fan, but that had more to do with his GM decisions. I do wonder what this team could have been like if they somehow were able to acquired Bates a couple years earlier or even the same year Sherman took over.

good point. look at how many people he has drove out.

 

[Raider Nation]

Why? I'll give you some darn good reasons...1. He just led the 32nd ranked offense in the league last year!2. He was responsible for the development of AARON BROOKS!3. He worked with Brett Favre in 1999, even though Ron Wolf doesn't remember him.What other reasons do you need?

 

[Raider Nation]

I contend it's a SPECTACULAR HIRE!

I miss GRID...

 

[Pipes]

 

[Capella]

2 years later and I still don't get all the Mike Sherman hate.

 

[mr. furley]

i'm just going to throw this out.

friend of mine's brother in law was in the Packers organization under Sherman. he was in the War Room when the Sander pick was made.

not only did Sherman bring the Special Teams coach in, he asked the guy what he would do when the guy Sherm really wanted went off the board. Sherm asked him about Sander, got a positive review and then proceeded to trade UP in the 3rd round.

to draft a punter.

against the wishes of more or less everyone in the room.



anecdotal but it happened.

 

[mr. furley]

"Carroll's release leaves the Packers with just six players on the roster from Mike Sherman's four drafts as head coach and general manager. Linebacker Nick Barnett is the only first-round pick remaining."

first of all.. Thompson came in to be GM. Sherman was DEMOTED from that position to just be coach. that's not a relationship that's going to last. particularly not when people say things like this of Sherman:

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_...17/ai_n13243697

"The head coach thought he was the only one with any brains," said Johnny Roland, who spent the 2004 season coaching Green Bay's running backs before taking the same position in New Orleans this off-season. "There was a lot of collective knowledge in the people that have left. And that knowledge wasn't listened to."

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"Coaching's fun again. And at the end, it wasn't in Green Bay," said Jagodzinski, a Wisconsin native who attended UW-Whitewater. "In Atlanta, your opinion matters. And the thing is nobody's afraid to make a suggestion. In Green Bay, a lot of guys bite their tongues on a lot of things.

"Right now, everybody's involved in the decision process and your opinion matters. And if you're in an organization, you want to feel that you're a part of it. And when you don't have any decision- making responsibilities or they don't take your suggestions or whatever, that's frustrating."

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"Why do you think those guys left?" Jagodzinski said. "It wasn't to go to a better team. It's because in Green Bay, your ideas don't get listened to."

Roland concurred.

"I think what Jags said is definitely fair," Roland said. "And it's evidenced by the number of coaches that have exited over the last couple of years."

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_...17/ai_n13243697"Roland said aside from offensive coordinator Tom Rossley and former special teams consultant Frank Novak, Sherman rarely listened to anyone on staff."

 

[ConstruxBoy]

It's a little bit early to eat crow, but I was wrong about McCarthy being a horrible hire.

 

[Pipes]

2 years later and I still don't get all the Mike Sherman hate.

What has he done since the Packers fired him? Apparently alot of NFL exec's feel the same way Packer fans do since he hasn't really been considered by anyone for a head coaching job.To answer your question Sherman just isn't head coaching material. I think he's a good coordinator which can be seen by how the Packers did when Sherman actually called plays. Sherman was a bad motivator and seemed to lose the Packers locker room. It just didn't seem like his players played hard under him. Also he had his guys and was blindly loyal to him. Guys like Tom Roessly, who was a terrible coordinator. They also had horrible special teams under his reign.

 

[sts911911]

It's a little bit early to eat crow, but I was wrong about McCarthy being a horrible hire.

Same here, I was really hoping the packers would have landed Childress... I'm glad how things have turned out.

 

[BLOX]

2 years later and I still don't get all the Mike Sherman hate.

Basically it was because he left the cupboard empty after using up what was left when he took over.No one was sure what the Packers got with Thompson and McCarthy, but as a Packer fan I'm very satisfied with the way things look currently.However, there is still room to improve and both Thompson and McCarthy are aware of that and are going to keep working on it.Things look good now, but we'll see. I think the Strength and Conditioning coach who was brought in has had an impact as well.

 

[Fla\/\/ed]

2 years later and I still don't get all the Mike Sherman hate.

Go read some of the comments made about Sherman by former assistants and you will start to realize some of the problems with Sherman.

 

[Pipes]

It's a little bit early to eat crow, but I was wrong about McCarthy being a horrible hire.

Same here, I was really hoping the packers would have landed Childress... I'm glad how things have turned out.

 

[Fla\/\/ed]

i'm just going to throw this out.friend of mine's brother in law was in the Packers organization under Sherman. he was in the War Room when the Sander pick was made.not only did Sherman bring the Special Teams coach in, he asked the guy what he would do when the guy Sherm really wanted went off the board. Sherm asked him about Sander, got a positive review and then proceeded to trade UP in the 3rd round.to draft a punter.against the wishes of more or less everyone in the room.anecdotal but it happened.

That move alone should have banned him from professional football.

 

[mr. furley]

It's a little bit early to eat crow, but I was wrong about McCarthy being a horrible hire.

Same here, I was really hoping the packers would have landed Childress... I'm glad how things have turned out.

iirc, i think you and a few million Packers fans wanted Childressthis makes me think of how every season Packers fans clamor for the team to draft whatever hot prospect is coming out of UW that year. if he's good (Chambers) there is much hand-wringing for many years about the mistake. if he stinks (Dayne) Packers fans QUICKLY forget about him.