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[Doctor Detroit]

For all the pain you've caused fantasy owners over the years with your RBBC, your injury report shtick, and your general ugliness it is now time to pay the piper.

Broncos are an abomination, a shadow of the Elway era, a virtual box of crap. Cutler is not good, the defense is not good, the coaching is not good. Getting by a limping and almost dead Chargers team at home is the beginning of the end to your reign of terror. Happy trails.

 

[bullitt]

Don't hold back, let us know how you really feel.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Don't hold back, let us know how you really feel.

I always do good buddy. Shannahan has killed us all over the years at one time or the other, it's good to be in charge for once.

 

[Big Daddy Kane]

For all the pain you've caused fantasy owners over the years with your RBBC, your injury report shtick, and your general ugliness it is now time to pay the piper. Broncos are an abomination, a shadow of the Elway era, a virtual box of crap. Cutler is not good, the defense is not good, the coaching is not good. Getting by a limping and almost dead Chargers team at home is the beginning of the end to your reign of terror. Happy trails.

I'm afraid you are right, Sir. Shanahan got too cute making his RB trades. Went out on a limb and grabbed Henry, a known repeat offender drug user. Portis his entire career in Denver would of been legendary and would have taken them places. Shanahan has jumped the shark.

 

[Ghost Rider]

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..but who is Mike Shannahan?

 

[mad sweeney]

For all the pain you've caused fantasy owners over the years with your RBBC, your injury report shtick, and your general ugliness it is now time to pay the piper. Broncos are an abomination, a shadow of the Elway era, a virtual box of crap. Cutler is not good, the defense is not good, the coaching is not good. Getting by a limping and almost dead Chargers team at home is the beginning of the end to your reign of terror. Happy trails.

The Chargers came out firing on all cylinders with their top notch talent. Their record is bad, but they are so completely far from "limping in".I could care less about his RBBC, but I love seeing them get smoked like this

 

[McBokonon]

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Way to ignore. :highfive:

 

[Doctor Detroit]

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[Ghost Rider]

No clue what this is about because of...You have chosen to ignore all posts from: Doctor Detroit

Way to ignore. :highfive:

Heh. Well, after seeing the content in quoted posts, I have to say that, as a Broncos fan, Shanahan deserves every bit of criticism thrown his way right now. The team looks dreadful right now.

 

[-Crippler-]

Cutler = good

Defense = good

this thread is dumb

 

[Ghost Rider]

Defense = good

You cannot be serious. Heck, Rex Grossman could light the Broncos defense right now, they are playing so poorly.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Cutler = goodDefense = goodthis thread is dumb

3-342-3Update?

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Defense = good

You cannot be serious. Heck, Rex Grossman could light the Broncos defense right now, they are playing so poorly.

This thread wasn't knocking the Broncos as much as Shanny btw. I don't think Grossman could light up Northern Colorado yet the Broncos. I have a hard time understanding what is wrong with the defense. The Oakland game kind of scared me off.

 

[Stillers Jr.]

Et tu brute?

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Et tu brute?

Caesar had it coming. As does Shanny.

 

[Stillers Jr.]

Go read your response to my post

then re-read this gem of a thread and

get back to me.

 

[thayman]

For all the pain you've caused fantasy owners over the years with your RBBC, your injury report shtick, and your general ugliness it is now time to pay the piper. Broncos are an abomination, a shadow of the Elway era, a virtual box of crap. Cutler is not good, the defense is not good, the coaching is not good. Getting by a limping and almost dead Chargers team at home is the beginning of the end to your reign of terror. Happy trails.

I'm afraid you are right, Sir. Shanahan got too cute making his RB trades. Went out on a limb and grabbed Henry, a known repeat offender drug user. Portis his entire career in Denver would of been legendary and would have taken them places. Shanahan has jumped the shark.

I don't think Cutler is that bad. He looks pretty decent for a 1.5 year starter. I'm a Skins fan, and the Bailey Portis trade was pretty good for the Broncos. You got the best shutdown CB in the league, and the loss of Portis has not been the cause of any failures by the Broncos.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Go read your response to my post then re-read this gem of a thread and get back to me.

Compelling.

 

[Big Daddy Kane]

For all the pain you've caused fantasy owners over the years with your RBBC, your injury report shtick, and your general ugliness it is now time to pay the piper. Broncos are an abomination, a shadow of the Elway era, a virtual box of crap. Cutler is not good, the defense is not good, the coaching is not good. Getting by a limping and almost dead Chargers team at home is the beginning of the end to your reign of terror. Happy trails.

I'm afraid you are right, Sir. Shanahan got too cute making his RB trades. Went out on a limb and grabbed Henry, a known repeat offender drug user. Portis his entire career in Denver would of been legendary and would have taken them places. Shanahan has jumped the shark.

I don't think Cutler is that bad. He looks pretty decent for a 1.5 year starter. I'm a Skins fan, and the Bailey Portis trade was pretty good for the Broncos. You got the best shutdown CB in the league, and the loss of Portis has not been the cause of any failures by the Broncos.

Losing Portis hurt the broncos more than gaining Champ helped the defense. Portis was the identity of the team...the spark...the guy opposing teams feared. NOBODY has feared the Denver running game since Portis left. As good as champ is he gets torched by guys that he shouldnt get torched by, look at Rivers eating his lunch.

 

[thayman]

For all the pain you've caused fantasy owners over the years with your RBBC, your injury report shtick, and your general ugliness it is now time to pay the piper. Broncos are an abomination, a shadow of the Elway era, a virtual box of crap. Cutler is not good, the defense is not good, the coaching is not good. Getting by a limping and almost dead Chargers team at home is the beginning of the end to your reign of terror. Happy trails.

I'm afraid you are right, Sir. Shanahan got too cute making his RB trades. Went out on a limb and grabbed Henry, a known repeat offender drug user. Portis his entire career in Denver would of been legendary and would have taken them places. Shanahan has jumped the shark.

I don't think Cutler is that bad. He looks pretty decent for a 1.5 year starter. I'm a Skins fan, and the Bailey Portis trade was pretty good for the Broncos. You got the best shutdown CB in the league, and the loss of Portis has not been the cause of any failures by the Broncos.

Losing Portis hurt the broncos more than gaining Champ helped the defense. Portis was the identity of the team...the spark...the guy opposing teams feared. NOBODY has feared the Denver running game since Portis left. As good as champ is he gets torched by guys that he shouldnt get torched by, look at Rivers eating his lunch.

Champ has been out for a good part of this game. Yes he gets beat sometimes, but so does every corner.Look up Denver's rushing offense for the past few years, with the loss of Portis. Then compare it to the improvement of the defense with Bailey.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

For all the pain you've caused fantasy owners over the years with your RBBC, your injury report shtick, and your general ugliness it is now time to pay the piper. Broncos are an abomination, a shadow of the Elway era, a virtual box of crap. Cutler is not good, the defense is not good, the coaching is not good. Getting by a limping and almost dead Chargers team at home is the beginning of the end to your reign of terror. Happy trails.

I'm afraid you are right, Sir. Shanahan got too cute making his RB trades. Went out on a limb and grabbed Henry, a known repeat offender drug user. Portis his entire career in Denver would of been legendary and would have taken them places. Shanahan has jumped the shark.

I don't think Cutler is that bad. He looks pretty decent for a 1.5 year starter. I'm a Skins fan, and the Bailey Portis trade was pretty good for the Broncos. You got the best shutdown CB in the league, and the loss of Portis has not been the cause of any failures by the Broncos.

Losing Portis hurt the broncos more than gaining Champ helped the defense. Portis was the identity of the team...the spark...the guy opposing teams feared. NOBODY has feared the Denver running game since Portis left. As good as champ is he gets torched by guys that he shouldnt get torched by, look at Rivers eating his lunch.

I really thought this was the team to beat in the AFC West this year. Cutler settling in, the defense looking like a money train, and a serious homefield advantage. I just don't see how you can lose 41-3 at home to a team that really is down on their luck. Dunno. The Oakland game really sent off the sirens for me. This team just doesn't look right and I really don't know why. They seem to have the personnel.

 

[redman]

All I know is that this probably made Al Davis' bye week . . . well, that and the tapioca pudding that they're serving at the home.

 

[Big Daddy Kane]

For all the pain you've caused fantasy owners over the years with your RBBC, your injury report shtick, and your general ugliness it is now time to pay the piper. Broncos are an abomination, a shadow of the Elway era, a virtual box of crap. Cutler is not good, the defense is not good, the coaching is not good. Getting by a limping and almost dead Chargers team at home is the beginning of the end to your reign of terror. Happy trails.

I'm afraid you are right, Sir. Shanahan got too cute making his RB trades. Went out on a limb and grabbed Henry, a known repeat offender drug user. Portis his entire career in Denver would of been legendary and would have taken them places. Shanahan has jumped the shark.

I don't think Cutler is that bad. He looks pretty decent for a 1.5 year starter. I'm a Skins fan, and the Bailey Portis trade was pretty good for the Broncos. You got the best shutdown CB in the league, and the loss of Portis has not been the cause of any failures by the Broncos.

Losing Portis hurt the broncos more than gaining Champ helped the defense. Portis was the identity of the team...the spark...the guy opposing teams feared. NOBODY has feared the Denver running game since Portis left. As good as champ is he gets torched by guys that he shouldnt get torched by, look at Rivers eating his lunch.

Champ has been out for a good part of this game. Yes he gets beat sometimes, but so does every corner.Look up Denver's rushing offense for the past few years, with the loss of Portis. Then compare it to the improvement of the defense with Bailey.

Even though a tandem of Tatum Bell/Mike Bell combined put up similar numbers to Portis, are you kdding me?? Bell/Bell were pathetic and a huge liability to the team. Portis was the team and a mainstay at the position.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Losing Portis hurt the broncos more than gaining Champ helped the defense. Portis was the identity of the team...the spark...the guy opposing teams feared. NOBODY has feared the Denver running game since Portis left. As good as champ is he gets torched by guys that he shouldnt get torched by, look at Rivers eating his lunch.

While I agree that Portis struck more fear in defenses than any other Denver RB since Terrell Davis, your comments about Bailey are utter crap. See any of SSOG's posts about him for more details.

 

[Courtjester]

This thread is :( and

 

[Doctor Detroit]

This thread is and :(

 

[thayman]

For all the pain you've caused fantasy owners over the years with your RBBC, your injury report shtick, and your general ugliness it is now time to pay the piper. Broncos are an abomination, a shadow of the Elway era, a virtual box of crap. Cutler is not good, the defense is not good, the coaching is not good. Getting :( by a limping and almost dead Chargers team at home is the beginning of the end to your reign of terror. Happy trails.

I'm afraid you are right, Sir. Shanahan got too cute making his RB trades. Went out on a limb and grabbed Henry, a known repeat offender drug user. Portis his entire career in Denver would of been legendary and would have taken them places. Shanahan has jumped the shark.

I don't think Cutler is that bad. He looks pretty decent for a 1.5 year starter. I'm a Skins fan, and the Bailey Portis trade was pretty good for the Broncos. You got the best shutdown CB in the league, and the loss of Portis has not been the cause of any failures by the Broncos.

Losing Portis hurt the broncos more than gaining Champ helped the defense. Portis was the identity of the team...the spark...the guy opposing teams feared. NOBODY has feared the Denver running game since Portis left. As good as champ is he gets torched by guys that he shouldnt get torched by, look at Rivers eating his lunch.

Champ has been out for a good part of this game. Yes he gets beat sometimes, but so does every corner.Look up Denver's rushing offense for the past few years, with the loss of Portis. Then compare it to the improvement of the defense with Bailey.

Even though a tandem of Tatum Bell/Mike Bell combined put up similar numbers to Portis, are you kdding me?? Bell/Bell were pathetic and a huge liability to the team. Portis was the team and a mainstay at the position.

So your point is that Bailey upgraded the defense less than the similar numbers that RBs have put up since Portis left......ok......

 

[Ghost Rider]

The problem is, as the Broncos have improved their defense as far as cornerbacks go, they have let their defensive line and linebackers go. Having one or even two great corners doesn't really do a lot of good if you cannot generate a pass rush or stop the run.

 

[redman]

For all the pain you've caused fantasy owners over the years with your RBBC, your injury report shtick, and your general ugliness it is now time to pay the piper. Broncos are an abomination, a shadow of the Elway era, a virtual box of crap. Cutler is not good, the defense is not good, the coaching is not good. Getting by a limping and almost dead Chargers team at home is the beginning of the end to your reign of terror. Happy trails.

I'm afraid you are right, Sir. Shanahan got too cute making his RB trades. Went out on a limb and grabbed Henry, a known repeat offender drug user. Portis his entire career in Denver would of been legendary and would have taken them places. Shanahan has jumped the shark.

I don't think Cutler is that bad. He looks pretty decent for a 1.5 year starter. I'm a Skins fan, and the Bailey Portis trade was pretty good for the Broncos. You got the best shutdown CB in the league, and the loss of Portis has not been the cause of any failures by the Broncos.

Losing Portis hurt the broncos more than gaining Champ helped the defense. Portis was the identity of the team...the spark...the guy opposing teams feared. NOBODY has feared the Denver running game since Portis left. As good as champ is he gets torched by guys that he shouldnt get torched by, look at Rivers eating his lunch.

Champ has been out for a good part of this game. Yes he gets beat sometimes, but so does every corner.Look up Denver's rushing offense for the past few years, with the loss of Portis. Then compare it to the improvement of the defense with Bailey.

Even though a tandem of Tatum Bell/Mike Bell combined put up similar numbers to Portis, are you kdding me?? Bell/Bell were pathetic and a huge liability to the team. Portis was the team and a mainstay at the position.

So your point is that Bailey upgraded the defense less than the similar numbers that RBs have put up since Portis left......ok......

There are such things as balanced trades, guys. I happen to think that both teams came out ahead. The Broncos got a shutdown corner that they desperately needed in a conference that has been dominated by Manning and Brady, and the 'Skins who have been otherwise very nondescript on offense got a playmaker and an identity. I didn't like the 2nd rounder that the 'Skins had to throw in at the time, but Bailey held them hostage and it's not like Tatum Bell turned out to be a stud, so I can live with it.

 

[thayman]

For all the pain you've caused fantasy owners over the years with your RBBC, your injury report shtick, and your general ugliness it is now time to pay the piper. Broncos are an abomination, a shadow of the Elway era, a virtual box of crap. Cutler is not good, the defense is not good, the coaching is not good. Getting by a limping and almost dead Chargers team at home is the beginning of the end to your reign of terror. Happy trails.

I'm afraid you are right, Sir. Shanahan got too cute making his RB trades. Went out on a limb and grabbed Henry, a known repeat offender drug user. Portis his entire career in Denver would of been legendary and would have taken them places. Shanahan has jumped the shark.

I don't think Cutler is that bad. He looks pretty decent for a 1.5 year starter. I'm a Skins fan, and the Bailey Portis trade was pretty good for the Broncos. You got the best shutdown CB in the league, and the loss of Portis has not been the cause of any failures by the Broncos.

Losing Portis hurt the broncos more than gaining Champ helped the defense. Portis was the identity of the team...the spark...the guy opposing teams feared. NOBODY has feared the Denver running game since Portis left. As good as champ is he gets torched by guys that he shouldnt get torched by, look at Rivers eating his lunch.

Champ has been out for a good part of this game. Yes he gets beat sometimes, but so does every corner.Look up Denver's rushing offense for the past few years, with the loss of Portis. Then compare it to the improvement of the defense with Bailey.

Even though a tandem of Tatum Bell/Mike Bell combined put up similar numbers to Portis, are you kdding me?? Bell/Bell were pathetic and a huge liability to the team. Portis was the team and a mainstay at the position.

So your point is that Bailey upgraded the defense less than the similar numbers that RBs have put up since Portis left......ok......

There are such things as balanced trades, guys. I happen to think that both teams came out ahead. The Broncos got a shutdown corner that they desperately needed in a conference that has been dominated by Manning and Brady, and the 'Skins who have been otherwise very nondescript on offense got a playmaker and an identity. I didn't like the 2nd rounder that the 'Skins had to throw in at the time, but Bailey held them hostage and it's not like Tatum Bell turned out to be a stud, so I can live with it.

I agree, it's one of the only trades I can think of where both teams got better in the deal.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Clearly this coaching staff has a mancrush on Selvin Young.

 

[perry147]

For all the pain you've caused fantasy owners over the years with your RBBC, your injury report shtick, and your general ugliness it is now time to pay the piper. Broncos are an abomination, a shadow of the Elway era, a virtual box of crap. Cutler is not good, the defense is not good, the coaching is not good. Getting by a limping and almost dead Chargers team at home is the beginning of the end to your reign of terror. Happy trails.

Cutler did not look that bad doc.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Cutler did not look that bad doc.

I think we all need to remember that Cutler is basically still a rookie QB (only ten NFL starts to his credit now), so the jury is still out on him. He has shown many indications of being a keeper, but constantly playing from behind the last few weeks, because their defense is terrible, has not helped him at all, nor has not having Javon Walker.

 

[thayman]

Cutler did not look that bad doc.

I think we all need to remember that Cutler is basically still a rookie QB (only ten NFL starts to his credit now), so the jury is still out on him. He has shown many indications of being a keeper, but constantly playing from behind the last few weeks, because their defense is terrible, has not helped him at all, nor has not having Javon Walker.

This is Cutler's first NFL start where he didn't have TD. I think he has looked pretty good so far.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Shannahan is paying for the Mike Bell injury reports as we speak.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

 

[candymanvandyfan]

Denver can't stop the run. Teams will run on them all year long.

Denver's Offensive-Line is a sad shadow of its former self. 20 rushes for 72 yards.

Denver should only be permitted to draft offensive linemen and linebackers in next year's draft. Don't whine, oh, boohoo, "all the offensive linemen at the combine weigh over 300 pounds and we like to draft nimble, limber linemen." Celebrate it. Say, "all of these guys who I can draft are all over 300 pounds! Super! We need some of those guys! Here are a bunch of them! All in the same place in the RCA dome! Let's draft five of them this year! There's a guy over there that looks bigger than my left pinkie! Let's draft him!"

Lynch should retire. He can't play the position anymore. He's slower than a canastoga wagon and covers about as well as one. The Broncos use him in an attempt to prop up a bad group of linebackers who can't shed blocks and make tackles. I hope not to see him back next year. There are a bunch of college linebackers who run faster than Lynch does. When you see him play live, you realize that the Broncos have to sacrifice too much to get him on the field. He has mercury in his shoes.

Javon Walker hasn't been in since the Jacksonville game and the rest of the wide receivers cannot create separation down the field. As a result, Jay is having to settle for short, timing based stuff in the 8-15 yard range.

There's really nothing "special" about the Punt Return unit, the Kick Return unit, the Kick Coverage unit or the Punt Coverage unit. The Broncos should have tryouts during the bye week.

The playcalling is predictable and leads to too many down and distance, 3rd down passing situations. Even if you're high on Jay Cutler and he is completing these passes, you shouldn't keep putting your young QB in those situations. The typical Broncos drive goes something like this:

1) Rush -- gain of 2

2) Rush -- gain of 1

3) Obvious pass play on 3rd and 7.

The major problem with the Broncos is that it is becoming a Union shop where old unattentive veterans who don't give a darn have too much control. They'll say all the right things after the game today, but you can tell, really they're all just looking forward to their little bye week vacation. They should release some players and clean house during the bye week and find some hungry free agents who won't mind paying attention during the team meetings. If you want to get the team's attention, you should release some of the unattentive players starting Tuesday morning.

Keep the kid they signed and played for last week's game -- Martinez. He played like he was interested in the outcome of the game for the whole game. That's more than I can say for any of the rest of them.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Denver can't stop the run. Teams will run on them all year long. Denver's Offensive-Line is a sad shadow of its former self. 20 rushes for 72 yards.Denver should only be permitted to draft offensive linemen and linebackers in next year's draft. Don't whine, oh, boohoo, "all the offensive linemen at the combine weigh over 300 pounds and we like to draft nimble, limber linemen." Celebrate it. Say, "all of these guys who I can draft are all over 300 pounds! Super! We need some of those guys! Here are a bunch of them! All in the same place in the RCA dome! Let's draft five of them this year! There's a guy over there that looks bigger than my left pinkie! Let's draft him!" Lynch should retire. He can't play the position anymore. He's slower than a canastoga wagon and covers about as well as one. The Broncos use him in an attempt to prop up a bad group of linebackers who can't shed blocks and make tackles. I hope not to see him back next year. There are a bunch of college linebackers who run faster than Lynch does. When you see him play live, you realize that the Broncos have to sacrifice too much to get him on the field. He has mercury in his shoes.Javon Walker hasn't been in since the Jacksonville game and the rest of the wide receivers cannot create separation down the field. As a result, Jay is having to settle for short, timing based stuff in the 8-15 yard range. There's really nothing "special" about the Punt Return unit, the Kick Return unit, the Kick Coverage unit or the Punt Coverage unit. The Broncos should have tryouts during the bye week.The playcalling is predictable and leads to too many down and distance, 3rd down passing situations. Even if you're high on Jay Cutler and he is completing these passes, you shouldn't keep putting your young QB in those situations. The typical Broncos drive goes something like this:1) Rush -- gain of 22) Rush -- gain of 13) Obvious pass play on 3rd and 7. The major problem with the Broncos is that it is becoming a Union shop where old unattentive veterans who don't give a darn have too much control. They'll say all the right things after the game today, but you can tell, really they're all just looking forward to their little bye week vacation. They should release some players and clean house during the bye week and find some hungry free agents who won't mind paying attention during the team meetings. If you want to get the team's attention, you should release some of the unattentive players starting Tuesday morning. Keep the kid they signed and played for last week's game -- Martinez. He played like he was interested in the outcome of the game for the whole game. That's more than I can say for any of the rest of them.

Wow I didn't expect any real analysis in this thread but this is

 

[moleculo]

For all the pain you've caused fantasy owners over the years with your RBBC, your injury report shtick, and your general ugliness it is now time to pay the piper. Broncos are an abomination, a shadow of the Elway era, a virtual box of crap. Cutler is not good, the defense is not good, the coaching is not good. Getting by a limping and almost dead Chargers team at home is the beginning of the end to your reign of terror. Happy trails.

 

[PACKER 7]

The Broncos miss their leader on D. Al Wilson. He's the glue that made that Defense. It's also why they stink against the run. Al Wilson made all those guys look better than were.

On offense you can't expect much. They have a 2nd year QB, with basically first time WRs save Stokely. They signed Daniel Graham although I don't know why b/c they never use him. That guy is money and a really good get for the Broncos in the off-season. Don't understand why he's not being use more given that Walker isn't playing.

Henry is playing on borrowed time. It's only a matter of time before he gets suspended and having that kind of negativity in the locker room has to hurt even if they don't admit it.

Anyways, back to my original point, there is no leader on either side of the ball. At least Plummer had that leadership capability even if he did stink. Cutler may get there, but like I said he's only a 2nd year player.

If Shanahan is to be blamed for anything it's putting too many eggs in the 1st string basket. They have no depth.

 

[BusterTBronco]

Cutler = goodDefense = goodthis thread is dumb

Not sure what games you've been watching. Cutler, I'd say, is average and the defense is HORRIBLE. Bates should be fired at once.

 

[redman]

LOL @ DD's Gods vengeance schtick.

To the Broncos fans, to what extent, with the benefit of over one year's hindsight, do you think that Kubiak's departure has hurt the offense?

 

[ninjafluffer]

Somewhere Jake Plummer is laughing!

 

[SSOG]

For all the pain you've caused fantasy owners over the years with your RBBC, your injury report shtick, and your general ugliness it is now time to pay the piper.

Injury report schtick? Could you please provide a single example? Thanks in advance.

Losing Portis hurt the broncos more than gaining Champ helped the defense. Portis was the identity of the team...the spark...the guy opposing teams feared. NOBODY has feared the Denver running game since Portis left. As good as champ is he gets torched by guys that he shouldnt get torched by, look at Rivers eating his lunch.

Denver's running game in 2002- 2266 yards, 21 TDsDenver's running game in 2003- 2629 yards, 20 TDs

Denver's running game in 2004- 2333 yards, 13 TDs

Denver's running game in 2005- 2539 yards, 25 TDs

Average rushing output in the two Portis seasons- 2448 yards, 20.5 TDs

Average rushing output in the two post-Portis seasons- 2436 yards, 19 TDs

Difference- 8 yards, 1.5 TDs. Oh, yeah, Denver's rushing attack became far less fearsome with the loss of Portis... but far be it from me to spoil your fun with little things like fact and reality.

Denver's Offensive-Line is a sad shadow of its former self. 20 rushes for 72 yards.

Ummm... what? Prior to this week, Denver was 4th in the league in rushing yardage and 2nd in yards per rushing attempt. Oh, yeah, they played poorly today. It's not like Denver has any history at all of struggling against 3-4 defenses. Seriously, I'm sure no one saw this one coming. No, the only logical conclusion based on one bad game against a defensive scheme that the team typically struggles against after a quarter-season of dominance is that the offensive line must be in sorry shape.

LOL @ DD's Gods vengeance schtick.

To the Broncos fans, to what extent, with the benefit of over one year's hindsight, do you think that Kubiak's departure has hurt the offense?

Not much. In the end, this is always Shanny's show. Always has been, always will be. It'd be nice to have Kubiak back in town, but his departure isn't responsible for the offensive funk. Remember, too, that going into today, Denver was ranked 5th in the NFL in terms of yards. The only real problem with the offense is turnovers and red-zone offense. Neither of these are the responsibility of Kubiak, imo- Denver hasn't ranked higher in points than yards since 2002. These red zone difficulties are nothing new.

 

[topher203]

don't forger that the broncos got the best CB in the league for Portis who is always injured

 

[redman]

don't forger that the broncos got the best CB in the league for Portis who is always injured

 

[Big Daddy Kane]

For all the pain you've caused fantasy owners over the years with your RBBC, your injury report shtick, and your general ugliness it is now time to pay the piper.

Injury report schtick? Could you please provide a single example? Thanks in advance.

Losing Portis hurt the broncos more than gaining Champ helped the defense. Portis was the identity of the team...the spark...the guy opposing teams feared. NOBODY has feared the Denver running game since Portis left. As good as champ is he gets torched by guys that he shouldnt get torched by, look at Rivers eating his lunch.

Denver's running game in 2002- 2266 yards, 21 TDsDenver's running game in 2003- 2629 yards, 20 TDs

Denver's running game in 2004- 2333 yards, 13 TDs

Denver's running game in 2005- 2539 yards, 25 TDs

Average rushing output in the two Portis seasons- 2448 yards, 20.5 TDs

Average rushing output in the two post-Portis seasons- 2436 yards, 19 TDs

Difference- 8 yards, 1.5 TDs. Oh, yeah, Denver's rushing attack became far less fearsome with the loss of Portis... but far be it from me to spoil your fun with little things like fact and reality.

Denver's Offensive-Line is a sad shadow of its former self. 20 rushes for 72 yards.

Ummm... what? Prior to this week, Denver was 4th in the league in rushing yardage and 2nd in yards per rushing attempt. Oh, yeah, they played poorly today. It's not like Denver has any history at all of struggling against 3-4 defenses. Seriously, I'm sure no one saw this one coming. No, the only logical conclusion based on one bad game against a defensive scheme that the team typically struggles against after a quarter-season of dominance is that the offensive line must be in sorry shape.

LOL @ DD's Gods vengeance schtick.

To the Broncos fans, to what extent, with the benefit of over one year's hindsight, do you think that Kubiak's departure has hurt the offense?

Not much. In the end, this is always Shanny's show. Always has been, always will be. It'd be nice to have Kubiak back in town, but his departure isn't responsible for the offensive funk. Remember, too, that going into today, Denver was ranked 5th in the NFL in terms of yards. The only real problem with the offense is turnovers and red-zone offense. Neither of these are the responsibility of Kubiak, imo- Denver hasn't ranked higher in points than yards since 2002. These red zone difficulties are nothing new.

Save your mindless drivel numbers for idiots that care. While statistically the running game didn't appear to suffer with Portis leaving, teams no longer game planned to the level of stopping it like they had to when Portis was around, this had synergistic effects and affected other parts of the game I'm sure. Get real, a Bell/Bell combo is laughable when compared to Portis in Denver.

Your logic is flawed on many counts because you live and die by the numbers. According to your logic, that backup RB guy that played for Indy today is just as good as Joseph Addai because the numbers say so.

 

[KoolKat]

I think it is safe to say our run game isn't the problem. Our defensive line play is pathetic.

And seriously, you think we are better off firing Shanahan. If we did, he'd have a new job before we would have a new coach. He is one the best head coachs in the league.

 

[thayman]

For all the pain you've caused fantasy owners over the years with your RBBC, your injury report shtick, and your general ugliness it is now time to pay the piper.

Injury report schtick? Could you please provide a single example? Thanks in advance.

Losing Portis hurt the broncos more than gaining Champ helped the defense. Portis was the identity of the team...the spark...the guy opposing teams feared. NOBODY has feared the Denver running game since Portis left. As good as champ is he gets torched by guys that he shouldnt get torched by, look at Rivers eating his lunch.

Denver's running game in 2002- 2266 yards, 21 TDsDenver's running game in 2003- 2629 yards, 20 TDs

Denver's running game in 2004- 2333 yards, 13 TDs

Denver's running game in 2005- 2539 yards, 25 TDs

Average rushing output in the two Portis seasons- 2448 yards, 20.5 TDs

Average rushing output in the two post-Portis seasons- 2436 yards, 19 TDs

Difference- 8 yards, 1.5 TDs. Oh, yeah, Denver's rushing attack became far less fearsome with the loss of Portis... but far be it from me to spoil your fun with little things like fact and reality.

Denver's Offensive-Line is a sad shadow of its former self. 20 rushes for 72 yards.

Ummm... what? Prior to this week, Denver was 4th in the league in rushing yardage and 2nd in yards per rushing attempt. Oh, yeah, they played poorly today. It's not like Denver has any history at all of struggling against 3-4 defenses. Seriously, I'm sure no one saw this one coming. No, the only logical conclusion based on one bad game against a defensive scheme that the team typically struggles against after a quarter-season of dominance is that the offensive line must be in sorry shape.

LOL @ DD's Gods vengeance schtick.

To the Broncos fans, to what extent, with the benefit of over one year's hindsight, do you think that Kubiak's departure has hurt the offense?

Not much. In the end, this is always Shanny's show. Always has been, always will be. It'd be nice to have Kubiak back in town, but his departure isn't responsible for the offensive funk. Remember, too, that going into today, Denver was ranked 5th in the NFL in terms of yards. The only real problem with the offense is turnovers and red-zone offense. Neither of these are the responsibility of Kubiak, imo- Denver hasn't ranked higher in points than yards since 2002. These red zone difficulties are nothing new.

Save your mindless drivel numbers for idiots that care. While statistically the running game didn't appear to suffer with Portis leaving, teams no longer game planned to the level of stopping it like they had to when Portis was around, this had synergistic effects and affected other parts of the game I'm sure. Get real, a Bell/Bell combo is laughable when compared to Portis in Denver.

Your logic is flawed on many counts because you live and die by the numbers. According to your logic, that backup RB guy that played for Indy today is just as good as Joseph Addai because the numbers say so.

By his logic over the course of a SEASON, not a game, a SEASON. Denver did not miss Portis. He just gave you a massive sample size and your response is "well because I said so???" They haven't had a losing season since Bailey has been there. In fact they have only had one season with single digit wins since he has been there.

 

[thecardiackid]

Denver can't stop the run. Teams will run on them all year long. Denver's Offensive-Line is a sad shadow of its former self. 20 rushes for 72 yards.Denver should only be permitted to draft offensive linemen and linebackers in next year's draft. Don't whine, oh, boohoo, "all the offensive linemen at the combine weigh over 300 pounds and we like to draft nimble, limber linemen." Celebrate it. Say, "all of these guys who I can draft are all over 300 pounds! Super! We need some of those guys! Here are a bunch of them! All in the same place in the RCA dome! Let's draft five of them this year! There's a guy over there that looks bigger than my left pinkie! Let's draft him!" Lynch should retire. He can't play the position anymore. He's slower than a canastoga wagon and covers about as well as one. The Broncos use him in an attempt to prop up a bad group of linebackers who can't shed blocks and make tackles. I hope not to see him back next year. There are a bunch of college linebackers who run faster than Lynch does. When you see him play live, you realize that the Broncos have to sacrifice too much to get him on the field. He has mercury in his shoes.Javon Walker hasn't been in since the Jacksonville game and the rest of the wide receivers cannot create separation down the field. As a result, Jay is having to settle for short, timing based stuff in the 8-15 yard range. There's really nothing "special" about the Punt Return unit, the Kick Return unit, the Kick Coverage unit or the Punt Coverage unit. The Broncos should have tryouts during the bye week.The playcalling is predictable and leads to too many down and distance, 3rd down passing situations. Even if you're high on Jay Cutler and he is completing these passes, you shouldn't keep putting your young QB in those situations. The typical Broncos drive goes something like this:1) Rush -- gain of 22) Rush -- gain of 13) Obvious pass play on 3rd and 7. The major problem with the Broncos is that it is becoming a Union shop where old unattentive veterans who don't give a darn have too much control. They'll say all the right things after the game today, but you can tell, really they're all just looking forward to their little bye week vacation. They should release some players and clean house during the bye week and find some hungry free agents who won't mind paying attention during the team meetings. If you want to get the team's attention, you should release some of the unattentive players starting Tuesday morning. Keep the kid they signed and played for last week's game -- Martinez. He played like he was interested in the outcome of the game for the whole game. That's more than I can say for any of the rest of them.

Wow I didn't expect any real analysis in this thread but this is

sI agree completely. Browns fan living in Denver (please refrain from jokes about the drive/fumble - TIA), so I'm forced to watch them weekly w/ no DTV.Jax and SD OWNED both sides of the LOS. Denver could very well be winless @ this point - and they look like it. Their last three games JAX/INDY/SD they were owned - 2 of which @ home.I like Cutler, and think he'll mature into a solid NFL QB, but he needs the supporting cast to get there. The run game has been productive beween the 20s for the most part, but w/o Walker they seem lost. And the defense is brutal - even if they're respectable vs. the pass. Not that it matters when teams can run wild - controlling the games at will. Lynch is done. Poor tackling from a SS and he's bad in pass coverage in the middle.Looking @ their schedule, I think they'll be luck to win 3 or 4 more games this year if they don't generate a passing game and find a way to slow down opposing RBs. Walker returning after the bye will help, however now they get to deal w/ Henry getting suspended and handing the RB job over to a rookie or a couple of average vets.