Mike Sims-Walker (1 Viewer)

[Couch Potato]

Many of you know I've been pimping MSW all offseason, and actually well before that. I've always been SURE this guy is going to be a STUD WR in this league. And of course every time I've said so, I get or from many, and get reminded ad nauseam that he can't stay healthy, he's got bum knees, etc.

Well, one game is not a career, and it was in catch-up mode when the game was pretty much out of hand, BUT... in the last quarter and 5 minutes of today's game he was 5-107-1 and the Jaguars may finally stop screwing around and figure out how to get the ball down the field (in addition to MJD of course). Not by throwing 10 yarders to old man Holt and Williamson and Hughes. When they throw, they need to throw to a dominant receiver, the kind of dominant receiver Holt once was and Williamson will never be... and 24 year old Walker is about to be. I think today finally has made them realize this, and now LOOK OUT!

I would like to thank Del Rio for temporarily making Williamson the starter, because it allowed the Walker owners in the two remaining dynasty leagues I didn't own him in to capitulate, to finally give up on him, so that I could get him and complete the set. I now own him in all 11 of my dynasty leagues. Hooray!

Folks, he'll never again be as cheap as he was two weeks ago. But he's still cheaper than he will be a month from now, before all the "prove it" skeptics finally believe. Kudos to those who never jumped off the Walker bandwagon. You will be rewarded. The rest need to hop on fast, if the current owner isn't gripping him with white knuckles. Pay what you need to get him, right away, and reap the benefits of years of dynasty value. Even if you think you're overpaying, in time you'll see you underpaid. We're about to see a great career take off.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

I have been hanging on along for the ride the whole way as well.

 

[ceo3west]

Great post, was about to post something similar

He looked awesome today.

 

[MCguidance]

Just dropped Avery for him in my 12 team redraft. I've seen enough of Avery this year, time to bail on my WR5.

 

[PatytonsGhost]

Many of you know I've been pimping MSW all offseason, and actually well before that. I've always been SURE this guy is going to be a STUD WR in this league. And of course every time I've said so, I get or from many, and get reminded ad nauseam that he can't stay healthy, he's got bum knees, etc.

Well, one game is not a career, and it was in catch-up mode when the game was pretty much out of hand, BUT... in the last quarter and 5 minutes of today's game he was 5-107-1 and the Jaguars may finally stop screwing around and figure out how to get the ball down the field (in addition to MJD of course). Not by throwing 10 yarders to old man Holt and Williamson and Hughes. When they throw, they need to throw to a dominant receiver, the kind of dominant receiver Holt once was and Williamson will never be... and 24 year old Walker is about to be. I think today finally has made them realize this, and now LOOK OUT!

I would like to thank Del Rio for temporarily making Williamson the starter, because it allowed the Walker owners in the two remaining dynasty leagues I didn't own him in to capitulate, to finally give up on him, so that I could get him on the cheap and now complete the set. I now own him in all 11 of my dynasty leagues. Hooray!

Folks, he'll never again be as cheap as he was two weeks ago. But he's still cheaper now than he will be a month from now, before all the "prove it" skeptics finally believe. Kudos to those who never jumped off the Walker bandwagon. You will be rewarded. The rest need to hop on fast, if the current owner isn't now gripping him with white knuckles. Pay what you need to get him, right away, and reap the benefits of years of dynasty value. Even if you think you're overpaying, in time you'll see you underpaid. We're about to see a great career take off.

Talk to me like i'm a child, what does he do that is so special ? and what does Garrard do that could make him a stud ?

 

[Banger]

I know you've been high on him for a while. I usually agree with nearly all your posts so I'll have to check him out. Good post.

The one knock in my book is Del Rio, he only throws the ball when he's forced to and I don't really see that changing.

 

[metoo]

This post is about dynasty.

Anybody whose been here for awhile knows about Walker and his history. I have him in a few leagues and I need to see more. We shall see IF he can stay healthy.

 

[gbill2004]

Who do you like better? Sims-Walker, or Laurent Robinson?

 

[Couch Potato]

Talk to me like i'm a child, what does he do that is so special ? and what does Garrard do that could make him a stud ?

First, he has size at 6'2" 220. Lots of guys have size, but Walker has the body control of a smaller WR. Other big WRs with great body control? Fitz, Andre Johnson, Randy Moss, T.O. ... he's like these guys in that he can position himself for the catch and keep it away from the DB. He is fast, and he runs good routes. He has exceptional hands. He hasn't shown those hands at all times this year because he's been on and off the field, but he's back, and the hands are back. He's smart and knows how to get separation and find the open spots. He is a hard worker and is highly motivated. He's no diva and is always driven to improve. He went to U Central Florida, Brandon Marshall followed him. Those who saw both say Walker was the superior WR. He had 90+ receptions his senior year at UCF while Marshall was there. It was just the knee that held him back after college. The knees are now 100%. Both knees.Size. Speed. Runs good routes. Uses his body well. Great hands. Great work ethic. Driven to excel. Still wanting to improve every day. AND 100% healthy. Old, slowing WR on the other side in Holt. And... Garrard was given basically an ultimatum this week by Del Rio to open it up and stop checking down when he can take a shot. Garrard ignored that for a half today, but if he wants his job, he'll do as he's told and get the ball down the field.This all adds up to what we saw at the end of the game today, and Walker will awaken this snoozing offense because they have no other choice. It was obvious in nearly 1 3/4 games that the dink and duck didn't work, and Walker was the guy to make the change. It's just the beginning.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

There was a post I made months back where I broke down the Jags wr situation but I searched and can't find it. It was something of the effect where I forsee Simms-Walker as the WR 1 and that this year would be his year and he would catch 80 balls for a minimum 1000 yards this season.

 

[PatytonsGhost]

Talk to me like i'm a child, what does he do that is so special ? and what does Garrard do that could make him a stud ?

First, he has size at 6'2" 220. Lots of guys have size, but Walker has the body control of a smaller WR. Other big WRs with great body control? Fitz, Andre Johnson, Randy Moss, T.O. ... he's like these guys in that he can position himself for the catch and keep it away from the DB. He is fast, and he runs good routes. He has exceptional hands. He hasn't shown those hands at all times this year because he's been on and off the field, but he's back, and the hands are back. He's smart and knows how to get separation and find the open spots. He is a hard worker and is highly motivated. He's no diva and is always driven to improve. He went to U Central Florida, Brandon Marshall followed him. Those who saw both say Walker was the superior WR. He had 90+ receptions his senior year at UCF while Marshall was there. It was just the knee that held him back after college. The knees are now 100%. Both knees.Size. Speed. Runs good routes. Uses his body well. Great hands. Great work ethic. Driven to excel. Still wanting to improve every day. AND 100% healthy. Old, slowing WR on the other side in Holt. And... Garrard was given basically an ultimatum this week by Del Rio to open it up and stop checking down when he can take a shot. Garrard ignored that for a half today, but if he wants his job, he'll do as he's told and get the ball down the field.This all adds up to what we saw at the end of the game today, and Walker will awaken this snoozing offense because they have no other choice. It was obvious in 1 3/4 games that the dink and duck didn't work, and Walker was the guy to make the change. It's just the beginning.

Answer me this, my new found theory, Does the QB make the WR or the other way. Seems like lately its QB makes the WR. I know Garrard = MJW but its only 1 game. He might be a stud but no QB imo = no productionSimply put is the QB making the WR or the other way around ?

 

[ChuckLiddell]

Talk to me like i'm a child, what does he do that is so special ? and what does Garrard do that could make him a stud ?

First, he has size at 6'2" 220. Lots of guys have size, but Walker has the body control of a smaller WR. Other big WRs with great body control? Fitz, Andre Johnson, Randy Moss, T.O. ... he's like these guys in that he can position himself for the catch and keep it away from the DB. He is fast, and he runs good routes. He has exceptional hands. He hasn't shown those hands at all times this year because he's been on and off the field, but he's back, and the hands are back. He's smart and knows how to get separation and find the open spots. He is a hard worker and is highly motivated. He's no diva and is always driven to improve. He went to U Central Florida, Brandon Marshall followed him. Those who saw both say Walker was the superior WR. He had 90+ receptions his senior year at UCF while Marshall was there. It was just the knee that held him back after college. The knees are now 100%. Both knees.Size. Speed. Runs good routes. Uses his body well. Great hands. Great work ethic. Driven to excel. Still wanting to improve every day. AND 100% healthy. Old, slowing WR on the other side in Holt. And... Garrard was given basically an ultimatum this week by Del Rio to open it up and stop checking down when he can take a shot. Garrard ignored that for a half today, but if he wants his job, he'll do as he's told and get the ball down the field.This all adds up to what we saw at the end of the game today, and Walker will awaken this snoozing offense because they have no other choice. It was obvious in 1 3/4 games that the dink and duck didn't work, and Walker was the guy to make the change. It's just the beginning.

I love your posts on Sims-Walker. You get me pshyched about him every time I read them. You convinced me a long time ago. Giddy right now that I did not take that leap off the bridge when he lost his job.

 

[gpthatsme]

Nabbed him today about 20-minutes before the game. I have been following him for about a year and had just been holding off. I subscribe to his twitter feed and he had been talking all week about how he was having GREAT practices this week, about how he was a little disappointed that he didn't get the ball as much as he thought he was going to last week and about how even he felt this week was going to "special."

Now, I am a little worried that he wasn't "featured" I guess you could say until garbage time, but HOPEFULLY they will now realize what they've got in him and HOPEFULLY he can stay healthy and start to put it all together. He's got the physical attributes to be a star. It's just all the other "stuff" that needs to fall in place...

If he is on your WW, I say grab him. More than likely he will be your WR4/5 which means there is very little risk and JAX has a sweet WR schedule coming up for about 5 or 6 games in a row. Hopefully he can produce and then if you don't think he is the real deal, just sell high at about week 8 or 9.

 

[maxwell1295]

Talk to me like i'm a child, what does he do that is so special ? and what does Garrard do that could make him a stud ?

First, he has size at 6'2" 220. Lots of guys have size, but Walker has the body control of a smaller WR. Other big WRs with great body control? Fitz, Andre Johnson, Randy Moss, T.O. ... he's like these guys in that he can position himself for the catch and keep it away from the DB. He is fast, and he runs good routes. He has exceptional hands. He hasn't shown those hands at all times this year because he's been on and off the field, but he's back, and the hands are back. He's smart and knows how to get separation and find the open spots. He is a hard worker and is highly motivated. He's no diva and is always driven to improve. He went to U Central Florida, Brandon Marshall followed him. Those who saw both say Walker was the superior WR. He had 90+ receptions his senior year at UCF while Marshall was there. It was just the knee that held him back after college. The knees are now 100%. Both knees.Size. Speed. Runs good routes. Uses his body well. Great hands. Great work ethic. Driven to excel. Still wanting to improve every day. AND 100% healthy. Old, slowing WR on the other side in Holt. And... Garrard was given basically an ultimatum this week by Del Rio to open it up and stop checking down when he can take a shot. Garrard ignored that for a half today, but if he wants his job, he'll do as he's told and get the ball down the field.This all adds up to what we saw at the end of the game today, and Walker will awaken this snoozing offense because they have no other choice. It was obvious in 1 3/4 games that the dink and duck didn't work, and Walker was the guy to make the change. It's just the beginning.

I love your posts on Sims-Walker. You get me pshyched about him every time I read them. You convinced me a long time ago. Giddy right now that I did not take that leap off the bridge when he lost his job.

To take it back even further, Walker was a star WR at Edgewater HS. I specifically remember him making a few acrobatic catches against defending Florida 6A champion Apopka in the 02 season. He originally committed to Ole Miss, but his mom wanted him to play closer to home, so he switched his committment to UCF. He was a bit of a late bloomer and the bigger schools didn't get in on him until it was too late.BTW, Laurent Robinson was another skilled but lightly recruited player out of the Central Florida area (Rockledge HS). Of course, he went on to play at 1-AA Illinois State and becasme their career leader in most receiver categories.

 

[gpthatsme]

Good article:

LINK

UCF's Sims-Walker shines despite Jags incompetence

posted by GeorgeDiaz on Sep 20, 2009 7:02:20 PM

Orlando Sentinel

There wasn’t much to hoot and holler about if you were wearing teal and black Sunday afternoon. The Jacksonville Jaguars got smoked, 31-17, by the Arizona Cardinals. Thousands of fans were smart enough to stay away.

But those who came did get a peek at a rising star for the Jags: Wide receiver Mike Sims-Walker.

A 2007 third round pick from the University of Central Florida, Sims-Walker caught 9 passes for a team-high 106 yards and a touchdown. Granted, his stats may have been padded a bit because the Jags were in big-time catch-up mode after falling behind, 31-3. But still, they’re official. They count. Not bad for young man whose job security was in question after he sprained an ankle in a pre-season scrimmage.

As reporters clustered around him, Sims-Walker kept saying much of the same thing. Stats don’t matter. Winning does. And that didn’t happen Sunday.

“It ain’t about me,” he said. “It’s about the team. No matter if I had 200 yards and 20 catches we lost.”

Fair enough. But we could be looking for a proverbial silver lining in what could shape up to be an atrocious season for the Jags.

They have to find something, someone to rally the fans.

No. 11 showed them a little something Sunday.

 

[Doug B]

This is bizarre. Not that fantasy sites don't whiff, but one major pay site was extremely adamant in mid-August that Sims-Walker was done and was getting trounced by Holt and Williamson in the depth-chart jockeying. What changed in a month?

Then again -- a lot of time when studs break out, very few see them coming. But there's so many Frisman Jackson and Ben Gay stories out there, too

 

[gpthatsme]

This is bizarre. Not that fantasy sites don't whiff, but one major pay site was extremely adamant in mid-August that Sims-Walker was done and was getting trounced by Holt and Williamson in the depth-chart jockeying. What changed in a month?Then again -- a lot of time when studs break out, very few see them coming. But there's so many Frisman Jackson and Ben Gay stories out there, too

But how many years do you think Holt has in him? And who else do they have? The Williamson story is good and all, but let's be honest, if he pans out it will be unexpected by all. And he is a complimentary WR. Not a #1. In my opinion, the Jags have been grooming MSW this whole time to be their #1.Now, having Garrard as his QB, that's a whole 'nother discussion. I'm not very confident in him.

 

[two_dollars]

How is his outlook THIS season? redraft leagues?

 

[gpthatsme]

Couch Potato - can you go into detail about his injuries? What happened? Is he "injury-prone" or were they just fluke deals and he is past it?

 

[djmich]

Still don't believe.

 

[gpthatsme]

Redraft - Some weeks he will put up WR2 numbers, others he will put up WR5 numbers. Very inconsistent. But I think that has more to do with the JAX passing game than anything else. He has the skills to do more, if they will let him. But, I don't play in any redraft leagues so I don't know how to tell you to move in those leagues.

Keeper/Dynasty - Grab him and hope that the new coach coming in next year is a better offensive genius!

 

[jbz]

well if they keep playing from behind then this could be something. but getting those numbers in garbage time isn't exactly a sure sign this kid is gonna finally break out (for re-draft leagues).

 

[Biabreakable]

Couch Tater - I realize your not selling but buying Mike Skywalker. However if someone was trying to get him off you in trade.. what would it take for you to move him?

Around what level..say in draft picks or in terms of WR3 level of value.. WR4 level of value.. do you have him at?

For dynasty purposes of course.

TIA

 

[two_dollars]

In redraft, he's an emerging WR on a run first offense that could play from behind a lot.

Laurent Robinson is also an emerging WR on a run first offense that could play from behind a lot.

Both have inconsistant QB play.

Both of these are WW guys in most leagues, and I'm curious who has the higher stock after 2 games.

They are in very similar situations,

Williamson did get hurt, when he comes back does he reassume his role as the starter opposite Holt?

 

[dmac37]

Finally!

This is my 3rd season with him in one dynasty and picked him up this year in a start up.

Besides the injuries he also had to deal with a couple of tragedies last year, I believe his Father and best friend both died during the season.

 

[carolina_21]

In redraft, he's an emerging WR on a run first offense that could play from behind a lot.Laurent Robinson is also an emerging WR on a run first offense that could play from behind a lot.Both have inconsistant QB play.Both of these are WW guys in most leagues, and I'm curious who has the higher stock after 2 games.They are in very similar situations,Williamson did get hurt, when he comes back does he reassume his role as the starter opposite Holt?

Great question. I'm wondering the same--Sims-Walker or Robinson. I think Robinson will get more targets, so it comes down to the QB. Ugh...

 

[two_dollars]

In redraft, he's an emerging WR on a run first offense that could play from behind a lot.Laurent Robinson is also an emerging WR on a run first offense that could play from behind a lot.Both have inconsistant QB play.Both of these are WW guys in most leagues, and I'm curious who has the higher stock after 2 games.They are in very similar situations,Williamson did get hurt, when he comes back does he reassume his role as the starter opposite Holt?

Great question. I'm wondering the same--Sims-Walker or Robinson. I think Robinson will get more targets, so it comes down to the QB. Ugh...

I agree with the targets. Sims-Walker has had trouble staying healthy, but Robinson's QB has had trouble staying healthy. I don't know if I see either of these 2 becoming more than a WR3 with upside. either of these 2 will likely be bad matchup relief or bye week fillers. I see Sims-Walker as more of a boom or bust type of WR, while Robinson might get you more consistancy. I guess it probably comes down to your FF philosophy for what you want your WR3 to do, or simply just which guy you like better. I would like to know more about Williamson's injury though.

 

[cubbie5150]

In redraft, he's an emerging WR on a run first offense that could play from behind a lot.Laurent Robinson is also an emerging WR on a run first offense that could play from behind a lot.Both have inconsistant QB play.Both of these are WW guys in most leagues, and I'm curious who has the higher stock after 2 games.They are in very similar situations,Williamson did get hurt, when he comes back does he reassume his role as the starter opposite Holt?

Great question. I'm wondering the same--Sims-Walker or Robinson. I think Robinson will get more targets, so it comes down to the QB. Ugh...

Yeah...that's the rub...the QBs. I won the blind bid for LRob prior to week 1 (& even started him week 1 since Welker's status was up in the air); Sims-Walker was dropped after week 1. If I didn't already own MJD (& Garrard as my QB3), I'd put a bid in for Sims-Walker too (Jac offense is pedestrian at best, so I don't want anymore Jac players).I LOVE LRob's speed/size combo.....but yeah, Bulger sucks

 

[Truman]

Cut him last week for Mario Manningham in WCOFF. Seems like a reasonable play.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

when did he add sims to his name

consider me a non-believer. glassman

 

[Jayrod]

I tucked him on my taxi squad to begin this year in a dynasty league. I'm very excited about his game as my WR's are a very pedestrian group of Braylon, Cotchery, Burleson, Lance Moore & Ted Ginn.

I need someone to emerge and Sims-Walker would be nice for next season.

 

[ChuckLiddell]

This sucks for Troy Williamson, who had a great preseason. However, this makes MSW a clear starter without much behind him to take away catches...

"Jaguars WR Troy Williamson is out for the season with a severe shoulder injury, according to Profootballtalk.com.

He was expected to undergo an MRI Monday morning after suffering a sprained shoulder in the second quarter Sunday. Williamson tried to go back into the game, but he said his shoulder "wasn't right." Mike Sims-Walker was already re-emerging as the No. 2 receiver, and this news guarantees that he'll be lining up opposite Torry Holt."

(from Rotoworld)

 

[Norseman]

when did he add sims to his name

consider me a non-believer. glassman

That's what I have been wondering too. He has been Mike Walker for several years, and then in the middle of the off season people start referring to him has Sims-Walker. Did Jones-Drew talk him into it?

 

[harryhood]

when did he add sims to his name

consider me a non-believer. glassman

That's what I have been wondering too. He has been Mike Walker for several years, and then in the middle of the off season people start referring to him has Sims-Walker. Did Jones-Drew talk him into it?

After his father died, I believe. Legally changed it to honor his dad.

 

[joffer]

when did he add sims to his name

consider me a non-believer. glassman

That's what I have been wondering too. He has been Mike Walker for several years, and then in the middle of the off season people start referring to him has Sims-Walker. Did Jones-Drew talk him into it?

"She's spent the last two weeks writing her married name over and over""Mrs. Judy Hicks"

"Mrs. Donald Hicks"

"Mrs. Judy Nicholson-Hicks"

"Sometimes with the hyphen, sometimes without the hyphen"

"Sometimes she spells the hyphen"

 

[That Little Voice]

I am all in on this train. MSW FTW.

Troy Williamson out. MSW healthy. Nice schedule. Playing from behind. Torry Holt 97 years old. Small initial investment required. Whats not to like?

Couch this is "fo shizzle" by the way. I am on time out.

 

[Couch Potato]

Who do you like better? Sims-Walker, or Laurent Robinson?

Sorry I didn't get back to the board after my second post last night guys. I went off to see the rest of the NYG-DAL game then went to bed.OK... LRob or MSW. I think Robinson is a lot better than what he was traded for (pick upgrades) and it looks like he going to do well in Ramland. But you're asking the wrong guy which I'd choose, because I think Walker is going to be special.

 

[xenon]

Would you rather have him or Chaz Schilens?

 

[That Little Voice]

MSW or Jesus Christ? PPR league with bonus for long TDs.

 

[joffer]

MSW or MSG?

 

[Couch Potato]

Answer me this, my new found theory, Does the QB make the WR or the other way. Seems like lately its QB makes the WR. I know Garrard = MJW but its only 1 game. He might be a stud but no QB imo = no productionSimply put is the QB making the WR or the other way around ?

I think it can be either. A superior QB can make his WRs look better than they are. Think Brady and guys he had to use before Moss and Welker came on the scene. Branch, Givens, Reche Caldwell, Gaffney. With a smart pinpoint passer, even an average WR can look good because the catches he has to make are usually put right where they should be.On the flip side, a great receiver can really help a QB that struggles with accuracy or decision making. His superior skills can bail out a passer and give him a security blanket. The QB is thinking that if he just puts it up there, his WR will find a way to get it. How often did Eli just send it Plax's way and hope, and Plax would out-duel the DB and come down with it. Also evidence Randy Moss with Culpepper, Calvin Johnson with the guys he's had the last couple years, Jerry Rice back in the day when neither Steve Young or Joe Montana were in the lineup (he helped a few nobodies have some pretty good stat lines), and many others. A great WR makes plays even when they are not great throws, and that's why the QB will go to him time and again.Great players make great plays, and they generally can overcome less than great talent on the other end of the hook up. Of course, having greatness on both sides of the equation is ideal, as in Brady-Moss, Manning-Harrison, Montana-Rice, etc.We know Garrard isn't great. I think as a passer, from an accuracy standpoint, he's just fine. It's his reluctance to throw the risky pass, the mistrust of the WRs, that holds him back. Maybe it's been warranted previously. His WRs in the past never have been known for their great technique. Matt Jones was the best of the bunch last year for most of the year, but he's never been known as a great technician/route runner on the field. Northcutt was the closest thing to a solid route runner on the Jags and he was used a lot in the last part of the year, but he's just a smallish slot guy without the size or strength to out-position or out-muscle DBs in tight coverage. Sims-Walker will be able to do this.I think now that MSW is ready to put it all together with all this ability, Garrard will have more confidence throwing downfield in that 20-30 yard range, rather than the constant 10 yarders and hoping the WR/TE/RB will make something happen after the catch.

 

[Biabreakable]

MSW or MSG?

MSG makes me hungry.

 

[SleeperPix]

This year only.....Holt or MSW?

 

[Couch Potato]

I love your posts on Sims-Walker. You get me pshyched about him every time I read them. You convinced me a long time ago. Giddy right now that I did not take that leap off the bridge when he lost his job.

Thanks man. I come here with less than an ideal attitude from lack of sleep or whatever and post when I shouldn't sometimes. I'm glad that sometimes I also say stuff worth reading to some people.It pays to be stubborn sometimes, to not jump off that bridge. Someone smarter than me once said you don't give up on a guy you believe in before he's been given a chance to fail. Sometimes it's really hard to stay patient, but I think it will be well-rewarded in this case. When he lost the starting job to Williamson I dug in and traded FOR him (...while cussing Del Rio. LOL). I gave up Mark Clayton for him before week 1, then Clayton had a nice week and MSW did nada. But I still believed it was a winning dynasty deal.

 

[Couch Potato]

This is bizarre. Not that fantasy sites don't whiff, but one major pay site was extremely adamant in mid-August that Sims-Walker was done and was getting trounced by Holt and Williamson in the depth-chart jockeying. What changed in a month?

Then again -- a lot of time when studs break out, very few see them coming. But there's so many Frisman Jackson and Ben Gay stories out there, too

Impatience. Lack of knowledge of the full story as to what went on last year. Many simply think "chronically injured knees before" and "hurt again this year", therefore "worthless." I won't go into the whole story again about the staph infection and both his best friend and his dad dying all within the same month last year (edit - I did anyway in a post below), but the simplistic "chronically injured knees" bit is a fallacy.Most importantly, his skills are there and he's the real deal. He doesn't have FrisJax or Ben Gay skills. He has star skills.

 

[MCguidance]

This is bizarre. Not that fantasy sites don't whiff, but one major pay site was extremely adamant in mid-August that Sims-Walker was done and was getting trounced by Holt and Williamson in the depth-chart jockeying. What changed in a month?

Then again -- a lot of time when studs break out, very few see them coming. But there's so many Frisman Jackson and Ben Gay stories out there, too

Impatience. Lack of knowledge of the full story as to what went on last year. Many simply think "chronically injured knees before" and "hurt again this year", therefore "worthless." I won't go into the whole story again about the staph infection and both his best friend and his dad dying all within the same month last year, but the simplistic "chronically injured knees" bit is a fallacy.Most importantly, his skills are there and he's the real deal. He doesn't have FrisJax or Ben Gay skills. He has star skills.

I know nothing about him, but I am excited

 

[Biabreakable]

I love your posts on Sims-Walker. You get me pshyched about him every time I read them. You convinced me a long time ago. Giddy right now that I did not take that leap off the bridge when he lost his job.

Thanks man. I come here with less than an ideal attitude from lack of sleep or whatever and post when I shouldn't sometimes. I'm glad that sometimes I also say stuff worth reading to some people.It pays to be stubborn sometimes, to not jump off that bridge. Someone smarter than me once said you don't give up on a guy you believe in before he's been given a chance to fail. Sometimes it's really hard to stay patient, but I think it will be well-rewarded in this case. When he lost the starting job to Williamson I dug in and traded FOR him (...while cussing Del Rio. LOL). I gave up Mark Clayton before week 1, then Clayton had a nice week and MSW did nada. But I still believed it was a winning dynasty deal.

So WR3-4 value.You will regret that deal. Clayton is capable of being a WR2.

 

[Couch Potato]

How is his outlook THIS season? redraft leagues?

Well, ignoring those who say Holt is the WR1 (because he's actually too limited in terms of speed and separation to be a WR1 any more), his outlook is pretty good. Williamson now done, rookies behind him, the TE is just pedestrian, and a schedule and D that both make for favorable expectation that they'll be throwing the ball, I see 8-10 targets average per week. Say he catches 55% of those and averages 14 YPC, over 16 games you're looking at 80 catches and 1100 yards.

 

[Doug B]

This is bizarre. Not that fantasy sites don't whiff, but one major pay site was extremely adamant in mid-August that Sims-Walker was done and was getting trounced by Holt and Williamson in the depth-chart jockeying. What changed in a month?

Then again -- a lot of time when studs break out, very few see them coming. But there's so many Frisman Jackson and Ben Gay stories out there, too

Impatience. Lack of knowledge of the full story as to what went on last year. Many simply think "chronically injured knees before" and "hurt again this year", therefore "worthless." I won't go into the whole story again about the staph infection and both his best friend and his dad dying all within the same month last year, but the simplistic "chronically injured knees" bit is a fallacy.Most importantly, his skills are there and he's the real deal. He doesn't have FrisJax or Ben Gay skills. He has star skills.

FWIW, the pay site I'm referring to did soften their stance about Sims-Walker in their last team update before the regular season:

Mike Sims-Walker – formerly Mike Walker – entered the preseason as the favorite for the No. 2 wideout job across from Torry Holt, but injured an ankle and was surpassed by Troy Williamson. Williamson started all the preseason games, used his speed to get open downfield and avoided the drops that have plagued his career. Williamson definitely will be a starter on opening day, and we don’t envision him losing that job anytime soon. If Williamson regresses at some point (or if 33-year-old Torry Holt breaks down), the Jaguars will then turn to Sims-Walker. Sims-Walker played well in the final preseason game, catching 4 passes for 63 yards.

 

[Couch Potato]

Couch Potato - can you go into detail about his injuries? What happened? Is he "injury-prone" or were they just fluke deals and he is past it?

Sure.Tore ACL late in Jr year at UCF. He was their star, so they played him extensively his Sr year anyway. He experienced swelling all year but played through it. Had 93 catches IIRC.

JAX drafted him in 3rd round despite knowing the knee wasn't 100% and despite playing for a small school with questionable competition because his abilities were very evident. Brandon Marshall, from the same school and who came out a year later, was drafted in the 4th round despite being 100% healthy.

In preseason 2007 (rookie year) MSW was still experiencing swelling even though he was the star of mini-camps and early preseason. It turns out the original ACL surgery wasn't a complete success and playing the season before on it as a Sr didn't help, so before the 2007 season JAX shut him down and put him on IR. He had an additional procedure done, and once it healed THAT WAS THE END OF THE PROBLEMS WITH THAT KNEE. I emphasize this because there is so much misinformation about that knee, and people love to regurgitate incorrect nonsense about it.

In 2008 he was emerging. Knee was fine. He was getting on the field more, and in week 4 against HOU he was 5-46 on 6 targets. In week 5 against the #1 ranked PIT D he went off for 6-107 on 9 targets. But in that game he sprained his MCL on the other knee. It should have been a 2 week injury, but it developed a staph infection that resulted in a lengthy 5 week recovery. Does a staph infection constitute "injury prone"? Not to me.

By this point in the season, after 5 weeks off, he returned in week 11 but by then other guys were settled in their roles. He had just 2 catches on 6 targets as his inactivity showed. The next week (week 12) he wasn't really a part of things and barely played.

Then things got worse. His best friend was stabbed and killed Thanksgiving night. Walker, who was home for the holiday, arrived on the scene and found his friend lying in a pool of blood. He was given permission to miss the week 13 game that Sunday.

After the friend's funeral, Walker boarded a flight to Chicago for Sunday's week 14 game. When he landed, he had a message saying his father wasn't doing very well. He got a call a few hours later saying his father had died. He took the first flight home Sunday morning.

At this point, with everything he'd gone through and the team in the toilet anyway, they mostly just shut him down for the year. He just had a couple of targets in weeks 16 and 17.

This year, once again in OTAs and early preseason he was doing great. Then he had a high ankle sprain that cost him over a month. He was back for the week 4 preseason game and was 4-63-1 but Del Rio had by this time given his job to Williamson.

So, yeah, he's had some injuries. But he's had ONE injury that required surgery, and it has been 100% since before the start of the 2008 season. All the rest is small stuff that other players go through. Nothing chronic with the knees. MCL sprain (+ fluky staph infection). High ankle sprain. IMO nothing that matters going forward.