Mike Vick > Anyone else not buying into the hype? (1 Viewer)

[ScottyDog]

a lot

Vick's end of game stats do not tell the story in thsi game. He played very poorly, and looked eerily similar to the old Vick in Atl. He has shown in the last 2 weeks that when faced with a good defense, he will revert to what he knows. His stats from yesterday were due to them playing from behind, and on that note...the late TD shouldn't have been thrown and just as easily could have been picked off. All that being said, I think Vick rebounds this week against a poor Houston defense, and everyone will be back on his bandwagon. As I have stated before, Vick has always been a good FF QB, and with the added weapons in Philly, he will continue to be a good FF QB. But as an Eagles fan, I view things slightly differently. I do not see the Eagles going anywhere with Vick, because I think that good teams will scheme him out of the game, and make him beat them in the one way that he can't, with accurate passing. Also, I think that Andy has reverted back to the Andy of old with Vick at QB. In that they are passing or in a passing formation and Vick scrambles alot. Rather than the balanced offense that we have clammered for for years, they are back to the pass happy offense, in which they abandon the run unless they are up BIG late in the game.

 

[Amused to Death]

This is why you don't bump until the game is over. Another tough defense, another pretty good game

He hasn't scored less then 24 points in any game he has started & finished this season. He only has 1 tough defense remaining and that's against the Giants who he already put up over 24 points against. He's the highest scoring QB in terms of ppg in standard FBG scoring. Sure he may have a let down week, but every other top-10 QB has had at least 2 sub-20 pt. games. Vick has had none.I wonder what the OP's definition of a let down is.

 

[CalBear]

Vick's end of game stats do not tell the story in thsi game. He played very poorly, and looked eerily similar to the old Vick in Atl. He has shown in the last 2 weeks that when faced with a good defense, he will revert to what he knows. His stats from yesterday were due to them playing from behind, and on that note...the late TD shouldn't have been thrown and just as easily could have been picked off.

And the throw to Desean was a great throw that should have been a TD, if we're going to play the what-if game. And I disagree on the late TD anyway; it was fourth down with 1:54 to play, needing two TDs; a risky throw in that situation is almost guaranteed. He got lucky that it got through, but getting it picked off is no different than an incompletion.

All that being said, I think Vick rebounds this week against a poor Houston defense, and everyone will be back on his bandwagon. As I have stated before, Vick has always been a good FF QB, and with the added weapons in Philly, he will continue to be a good FF QB. But as an Eagles fan, I view things slightly differently. I do not see the Eagles going anywhere with Vick, because I think that good teams will scheme him out of the game, and make him beat them in the one way that he can't, with accurate passing.

Do you really think Vick was schemed out of the game last night? He had 333 yards passing with 2 TDs and 44 yards rushing. He threw one INT on a deflection at the line of scrimmage. The Eagles lost this game because of their defense, not because of anything the Bears did against Vick.

 

[MNTom]

Vick's end of game stats do not tell the story in thsi game. He played very poorly, and looked eerily similar to the old Vick in Atl. He has shown in the last 2 weeks that when faced with a good defense, he will revert to what he knows. His stats from yesterday were due to them playing from behind, and on that note...the late TD shouldn't have been thrown and just as easily could have been picked off. All that being said, I think Vick rebounds this week against a poor Houston defense, and everyone will be back on his bandwagon. As I have stated before, Vick has always been a good FF QB, and with the added weapons in Philly, he will continue to be a good FF QB. But as an Eagles fan, I view things slightly differently. I do not see the Eagles going anywhere with Vick, because I think that good teams will scheme him out of the game, and make him beat them in the one way that he can't, with accurate passing. Also, I think that Andy has reverted back to the Andy of old with Vick at QB. In that they are passing or in a passing formation and Vick scrambles alot. Rather than the balanced offense that we have clammered for for years, they are back to the pass happy offense, in which they abandon the run unless they are up BIG late in the game.

I think Vick was the least of the Eagles problems yesterday: unless you blame Vick for the 4 TD passes to Cutler and allowing D. Hester and Jennings long returns. A healthy secondary for the Eagles could make a big difference and if these teams meet again I could easily see the Eagles winning.

 

[VaTerp]

Vick's end of game stats do not tell the story in thsi game. He played very poorly, and looked eerily similar to the old Vick in Atl. He has shown in the last 2 weeks that when faced with a good defense, he will revert to what he knows. His stats from yesterday were due to them playing from behind, and on that note...the late TD shouldn't have been thrown and just as easily could have been picked off.

And the throw to Desean was a great throw that should have been a TD, if we're going to play the what-if game. And I disagree on the late TD anyway; it was fourth down with 1:54 to play, needing two TDs; a risky throw in that situation is almost guaranteed. He got lucky that it got through, but getting it picked off is no different than an incompletion.

All that being said, I think Vick rebounds this week against a poor Houston defense, and everyone will be back on his bandwagon. As I have stated before, Vick has always been a good FF QB, and with the added weapons in Philly, he will continue to be a good FF QB. But as an Eagles fan, I view things slightly differently. I do not see the Eagles going anywhere with Vick, because I think that good teams will scheme him out of the game, and make him beat them in the one way that he can't, with accurate passing.

Do you really think Vick was schemed out of the game last night? He had 333 yards passing with 2 TDs and 44 yards rushing. He threw one INT on a deflection at the line of scrimmage. The Eagles lost this game because of their defense, not because of anything the Bears did against Vick.

I guess people really see what they want to see. Like I said before...haters are funny people.

 

[Dave Larkin]

Vick is a heck of a player, but all this MVP talk makes no sense to me. You can't give the MVP to a player who hasn't played 16 games, and I think some people are a little too taken in by the whole story of Vick. You gotta appreciate what the guy has done to come back and play at this level, but it's too soon to "crown his ###".

 

[Domination]

Vick's end of game stats do not tell the story in thsi game. He played very poorly, and looked eerily similar to the old Vick in Atl. He has shown in the last 2 weeks that when faced with a good defense, he will revert to what he knows. His stats from yesterday were due to them playing from behind, and on that note...the late TD shouldn't have been thrown and just as easily could have been picked off.

And the throw to Desean was a great throw that should have been a TD, if we're going to play the what-if game. And I disagree on the late TD anyway; it was fourth down with 1:54 to play, needing two TDs; a risky throw in that situation is almost guaranteed. He got lucky that it got through, but getting it picked off is no different than an incompletion.

All that being said, I think Vick rebounds this week against a poor Houston defense, and everyone will be back on his bandwagon. As I have stated before, Vick has always been a good FF QB, and with the added weapons in Philly, he will continue to be a good FF QB. But as an Eagles fan, I view things slightly differently. I do not see the Eagles going anywhere with Vick, because I think that good teams will scheme him out of the game, and make him beat them in the one way that he can't, with accurate passing.

Do you really think Vick was schemed out of the game last night? He had 333 yards passing with 2 TDs and 44 yards rushing. He threw one INT on a deflection at the line of scrimmage. The Eagles lost this game because of their defense, not because of anything the Bears did against Vick.

Vick's numbers should be good, he threw the ball 44 times. 133yds passing and 11 yds rushing are in the last 2 drives, with the Bears playing a softer (no big play) defense. For some reason, Vick gets all the credit when they win and none when they lose. He was incredibly average the last 2 weeks, and if not for the defense they would have lost last week. The defense played great against Indy and the Giants, and tehy had a bad game yesterday. But I think in the last 2 weeks it has been proven that he is still the same player he always was, just now he has better weapons to hide some of his flaws. He is a good QB, but I think he has alot of the same flaws as McNabb has. I think while Vick is a phenomenal athlete, his is an average passer, and in the playoffs that will be exposed by good defenses. I am just stating what I see now, before we get to the playoffs and I have to listen to everyone all the sudden notice this. Vick is a good QB, but just like McNabb, they are trying to make an athletic QB fit the system, rather than get a QB that fits the system or convert the system to fit the QB.

 

[VaTerp]

Vick is a heck of a player, but all this MVP talk makes no sense to me. You can't give the MVP to a player who hasn't played 16 games, and I think some people are a little too taken in by the whole story of Vick. You gotta appreciate what the guy has done to come back and play at this level, but it's too soon to "crown his ###".

This thread is about Vick and his FF value, not whether or not he should be the league MVP. The OP, I think, believes Vick will not be a reliable top QB down the stretch or in FF playoff time. I think that's complete BS.I'm about to be 9-3 and the 3 games I lost were the one where Vick got hurt and 2 when I had to start someone else at QB wjem he was recovering his rib. He's been among the top scoring QBs EVERY week he's played at least half the game. For me, he has absolutely been the FF MVP of my team and I imagine there are others who would say the same.

 

[CalBear]

Vick's numbers should be good, he threw the ball 44 times. 133yds passing and 11 yds rushing are in the last 2 drives, with the Bears playing a softer (no big play) defense. For some reason, Vick gets all the credit when they win and none when they lose. He was incredibly average the last 2 weeks, and if not for the defense they would have lost last week. The defense played great against Indy and the Giants, and tehy had a bad game yesterday. But I think in the last 2 weeks it has been proven that he is still the same player he always was, just now he has better weapons to hide some of his flaws. He is a good QB, but I think he has alot of the same flaws as McNabb has. I think while Vick is a phenomenal athlete, his is an average passer, and in the playoffs that will be exposed by good defenses. I am just stating what I see now, before we get to the playoffs and I have to listen to everyone all the sudden notice this. Vick is a good QB, but just like McNabb, they are trying to make an athletic QB fit the system, rather than get a QB that fits the system or convert the system to fit the QB.

7.6 yards/attempt still represents a good game; it's not just that he threw a bunch. I can only think of two throws where he missed opportunities, both to Celek down the seam. Frankly, he looks like a great fit for the offense, better than Kolb. It's the defense that was exposed.

 

[Domination]

Vick is a heck of a player, but all this MVP talk makes no sense to me. You can't give the MVP to a player who hasn't played 16 games, and I think some people are a little too taken in by the whole story of Vick. You gotta appreciate what the guy has done to come back and play at this level, but it's too soon to "crown his ###".

This thread is about Vick and his FF value, not whether or not he should be the league MVP. The OP, I think, believes Vick will not be a reliable top QB down the stretch or in FF playoff time. I think that's complete BS.I'm about to be 9-3 and the 3 games I lost were the one where Vick got hurt and 2 when I had to start someone else at QB wjem he was recovering his rib. He's been among the top scoring QBs EVERY week he's played at least half the game. For me, he has absolutely been the FF MVP of my team and I imagine there are others who would say the same.

I couldn't agree with this statement more. He is an absolute stud in FF, and should be an unquestioned starter every week. He is a superior athlete and plays for a team that throws 60% of the time. That is a recipe for FF success, just as it was for McNabb for many years.

 

[Saint]

Vick is a heck of a player, but all this MVP talk makes no sense to me. You can't give the MVP to a player who hasn't played 16 games, and I think some people are a little too taken in by the whole story of Vick. You gotta appreciate what the guy has done to come back and play at this level, but it's too soon to "crown his ###".

This thread is about Vick and his FF value, not whether or not he should be the league MVP. The OP, I think, believes Vick will not be a reliable top QB down the stretch or in FF playoff time. I think that's complete BS.I'm about to be 9-3 and the 3 games I lost were the one where Vick got hurt and 2 when I had to start someone else at QB wjem he was recovering his rib. He's been among the top scoring QBs EVERY week he's played at least half the game. For me, he has absolutely been the FF MVP of my team and I imagine there are others who would say the same.

That was the whole point of the thread. I think Vick is playing at QB1-QB2 level. From a FF perspective, the dude is money. The original OP saying to "temper expectations" I thought was ridiculous for this guy. He's putting up pass & run yards each week and scoring around 20 FFP. Frankly, that's what I expect out of my QB. I don't expect 50-60 pt games.... That's the bonus plan, but with Vick you always have the chance!To be honest, the biggest scare as an eagles fan for me, wasn't Vick's play, but rather the lack of defense. I think Vick'll be fine the rest of the year and as for the NYG in upcoming weeks, anyone that follows NFC East, knows that the NFC games can be HUGE! I would expect a shoot-out again with the NYG.

 

[Banger]

I think we can close this thread. He's ranked 7th in my leagues scoring despite missing 3 games, getting hurt early in another game (got 2 pts) and played one half of another game. He's 2 pts behind Brady and 34 pts behind the #1 Rodgers. He's been an absolute stud regardless of who he's played.

 

[Amused to Death]

I think we can close this thread. He's ranked 7th in my leagues scoring despite missing 3 games, getting hurt early in another game (got 2 pts) and played one half of another game. He's 2 pts behind Brady and 34 pts behind the #1 Rodgers. He's been an absolute stud regardless of who he's played.

He's now ranked 3rd* (2 pts behind Rivers, 14 behind Rogers) for total fantasy points after another 30+ point week. Up next, the 22nd ranked pass defense of the Dallas Cowboys.*per Data Dominator

 

[moderated]

there is no other QB i'd want going forward in FF for this season, so while every QB has a risk of a potential letdown, Vick has the highest potential by far.

 

[[icon]]

I've been a longtime Eagles fan so I always try to temper my expectations, however Vick has been very difficult to stop. Last year, Chris Johnson was unstoppable, Vick has looked close to that, so saying he could be the Best player this year is not a stretch. 5 out of the 6 weeks he's played, he has been crazy good.

I think, given this game, it's prudent for teams looking toward the big picture to look forward to weeks 15 and to a lesser extent 16.

 

[fasteddie_21]

Well, without him, I'm not in my semi-finals.

 

[Kenny Powers]

I hope he eats a nice dogsteak during halftime and comes out all guns blazing

 

[atl3695]

Well, without him, I'm not in my semi-finals.

Keep your head up!

 

[Amused to Death]

I've been a longtime Eagles fan so I always try to temper my expectations, however Vick has been very difficult to stop. Last year, Chris Johnson was unstoppable, Vick has looked close to that, so saying he could be the Best player this year is not a stretch. 5 out of the 6 weeks he's played, he has been crazy good.

I think, given this game, it's prudent for teams looking toward the big picture to look forward to weeks 15 and to a lesser extent 16.

Well, he's over 20 points in my league.Make that over 24 yet again. So your warning was for what? Face it, Vick has been the top FFL QB this year.Over 30 now.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

I've been a longtime Eagles fan so I always try to temper my expectations, however Vick has been very difficult to stop. Last year, Chris Johnson was unstoppable, Vick has looked close to that, so saying he could be the Best player this year is not a stretch. 5 out of the 6 weeks he's played, he has been crazy good.

I think, given this game, it's prudent for teams looking toward the big picture to look forward to weeks 15 and to a lesser extent 16.

Update?

 

[fasteddie_21]

Make that over 32 now for me. Single biggest pickup in my league, imo.

 

[thehornet]

Well, without him, I'm not in my semi-finals.

patience young one

 

[Amused to Death]

Make that over 32 now for me. Single biggest pickup in my league, imo.

Patience...he's going to have a bad week, just you wait. You'll be sorry then.

 

[fasteddie_21]

Well, without him, I'm not in my semi-finals.

patience young one

Oh, trust me, I know. I was saying that I don't regret riding him starting with the week after Romo went down. "Dance with the one who brought ya"!

 

[aimlessgun]

How did I know this thread would be on the front page.

 

[Amused to Death]

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Update?

 

[IvanKaramazov]

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Update?

[] It was a good move to bump this thread at halftime.

 

[dickey moe]

Absolutely sick. Thank god my opponent today in the playoffs has Brady and Vick and decided to sit Vick.

 

[Amused to Death]

Thank God for Vick. What a game. Hope no one benched him.

 

[Touchdown Syndrome]

I've been a longtime Eagles fan so I always try to temper my expectations, however Vick has been very difficult to stop. Last year, Chris Johnson was unstoppable, Vick has looked close to that, so saying he could be the Best player this year is not a stretch. 5 out of the 6 weeks he's played, he has been crazy good.

I think, given this game, it's prudent for teams looking toward the big picture to look forward to weeks 15 and to a lesser extent 16.

You shouldn't play in leagues that don't count the 2nd half of games.

 

[fasteddie_21]

Hey icon, man up and take your medicine if you're going to come in here and toot your own horn at halftime.

 

[Otis]

No.

 

[Power Monster]

Unreal- this guy is the MVP

 

[jamil]

Biggest fail thread ever.

 

[ShaqAttaq]

vick just outscored my semifinal opponent's entire roster. he's junk.

 

[Thunderlips]

I don't know.....but I think he's doing pretty good right now.

 

[CGRdrJoe]

I just renamed my 13 year old son to Mike Vick

 

[nysportsfan]

He's pretty good, no?

 

[whitem0nkey]

was that 4 TDS in 7 min?

 

[CalBear]

I've been a longtime Eagles fan so I always try to temper my expectations, however Vick has been very difficult to stop. Last year, Chris Johnson was unstoppable, Vick has looked close to that, so saying he could be the Best player this year is not a stretch. 5 out of the 6 weeks he's played, he has been crazy good.

I think, given this game, it's prudent for teams looking toward the big picture to look forward to weeks 15 and to a lesser extent 16.

This halftime bump was so incredibly stupid that I have come to the conclusion that icon is an alias for HK and he was trying to reverse jinx Vick.Thanks, you won me my game!

 

[Tango]

Thank God for Vick. What a game. Hope no one benched him.

I benched Rivers for him. What a rollercoaster....

 

[jon_mx]

Rule #1 in football....don't gloat at halftime

 

[Amused to Death]

Rule #1 in football....don't gloat at halftime

I'm sure [icon] will come back....I'm guessing he hurt his shoulder patting himself on the back at halftime.

 

[Kenny Powers]

I hope he eats a nice dogsteak during halftime and comes out all guns blazing

nomnomnom.....42.68 pts

 

[Kenny Powers]

I just renamed my 13 year old son to Mike Vick

 

[Slapdash]

Mike Vick is incredible.

 

[KillerToad]

I don't think "POTENTIAL for letdown" means what you think it means

 

[notdarkyet]

This Mike Vick character clearly sucks.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

 

[Blue-Kun]

I've been a longtime Eagles fan so I always try to temper my expectations, however Vick has been very difficult to stop. Last year, Chris Johnson was unstoppable, Vick has looked close to that, so saying he could be the Best player this year is not a stretch. 5 out of the 6 weeks he's played, he has been crazy good.

I think, given this game, it's prudent for teams looking toward the big picture to look forward to weeks 15 and to a lesser extent 16.

Post is just unreal.