Mike Vick & Dropped Passes (1 Viewer)

[tombonneau]

I acquired Vick earlier this year so have been paying more attention to ATL games at the bar, and I'm flatout amazed at how many balls are dropped by ATL receivers. And not just 5 yard plays, I'm talking about big game-changing plays. I can recall one or two today that hit WRs in the hands for what should have been TDs.

And this is happening every week.

Is there a resource out there that lists targets/drops? I've seen people post these sort of stats in the past so there must be.

Anyway, its quite frustrating as a Vick owner to watch this happen. Yet on the other, if these jokers he is throwing too eventually get their #### together, Vick will be a top 5 QB. He's already qb6 in my league, if his WRs dropped only half as many passes he'd probably be challenging for top 3.

 

[billymays]

i saw like two plays in the atl nyg game and both were falcon drops

including the 50 yard bomb that hit jenkins in his hands you must have been

 

[SSOG]

As far as I know, Stats Inc. is the only source for data on drops, but you'd have to pay a hefty subscriber fee to access the data.

 

[juveduke]

i saw like two plays in the atl nyg game and both were falcon dropsincluding the 50 yard bomb that hit jenkins in his hands you must have been

And he must have flicked the ball at least 60 yards. It looked like he was doing a toss into a trash can and 60 yards later the ball came down in Jenkin's hands

 

[Napoleon Dynamite]

i saw like two plays in the atl nyg game and both were falcon dropsincluding the 50 yard bomb that hit jenkins in his hands you must have been

And he must have flicked the ball at least 60 yards. It looked like he was doing a toss into a trash can and 60 yards later the ball came down in Jenkin's hands

That was amazing. And 2-3 defenders were running right at him from the left. One of the better passes I have seen all year.

 

[Loopdog]

after the Saints game a few weeks ago where the drops were absurd, the official announcement was that there were like 3 drops

i counted like 8 watching the game, no joke, like 8

today was equally disturbing. I really wish the Atlanta power's that be would start opening their eyes and realizing how unstoppable they would be with a Randy Moss or TO type. I know they want to control the locker room and have it be a team game and blah blah blah. But if you threw Moss on that team, there would be plenty of Vick's bombs coming down for TD's. It would make defensive coordinators crap themselves

 

[SSOG]

after the Saints game a few weeks ago where the drops were absurd, the official announcement was that there were like 3 drops

i counted like 8 watching the game, no joke, like 8

today was equally disturbing. I really wish the Atlanta power's that be would start opening their eyes and realizing how unstoppable they would be with a Randy Moss or TO type. I know they want to control the locker room and have it be a team game and blah blah blah. But if you threw Moss on that team, there would be plenty of Vick's bombs coming down for TD's. It would make defensive coordinators crap themselves

If you want to solve your team's drop problem, acquiring TO isn't the way to do it. TO has several times led the NFL in dropped passes.

 

[radballs]

after the Saints game a few weeks ago where the drops were absurd, the official announcement was that there were like 3 drops

i counted like 8 watching the game, no joke, like 8

today was equally disturbing. I really wish the Atlanta power's that be would start opening their eyes and realizing how unstoppable they would be with a Randy Moss or TO type. I know they want to control the locker room and have it be a team game and blah blah blah. But if you threw Moss on that team, there would be plenty of Vick's bombs coming down for TD's. It would make defensive coordinators crap themselves

If you want to solve your team's drop problem, acquiring TO isn't the way to do it. TO has several times led the NFL in dropped passes.

What years and how many?

 

[delusional]

TOs catching ability isnt that great. Its his run after the catch and route running that is ( was? ) great

As far as vicks wr and dropped passes. I am sure there are more passes thrown behind, above, under or ocmpletely missed to his WRs then there were drops

 

[fridayfrenzy]

You are welcome

http://snap.stats.com/stats/nflinfo/leader...2&Submit=Go

 

[SSOG]

after the Saints game a few weeks ago where the drops were absurd, the official announcement was that there were like 3 drops

i counted like 8 watching the game, no joke, like 8

today was equally disturbing. I really wish the Atlanta power's that be would start opening their eyes and realizing how unstoppable they would be with a Randy Moss or TO type. I know they want to control the locker room and have it be a team game and blah blah blah. But if you threw Moss on that team, there would be plenty of Vick's bombs coming down for TD's. It would make defensive coordinators crap themselves

If you want to solve your team's drop problem, acquiring TO isn't the way to do it. TO has several times led the NFL in dropped passes.

What years and how many?

Terrell Owens led the league in dropped passes in 2003, and I'm pretty sure that that was his second time among the league leaders (2001, perhaps?). I'm not certain on when the other year was, and I don't remember how many passes he dropped, but I am absolutely, positively certain that he was the league leader in dropped passes in his final season in San Fran.I *do* know what his catch% has been every season.

2006- 43% (doesn't include week 6)

2005- 51%

2004- 61%

2003- 55%

2002- 63%

He's certainly not going to win any awards for his hands any time soon.

 

[smcindoe]

A lot of Vick's dropped passes are because of his inaccuracy. He'll have a guy going across the field and hit him on his back shoulder instead of leading him. Yes, they're catchable, but part of the blame is on Vick.

The Jenkins pass was a thing of beauty, though.

 

[Ghoti]

Nice thread. I too have Vick, and have been wondering what the situation is. Obviously, his passing numbers are pathetic, but maybe there is a little hope for improvement. The only Atlanta game I watched was the game vs. New Orleans, and I remember a couple of dropped passes for sure (one to a wide open Crumpler in the end zone).

 

[smcindoe]

Nice thread. I too have Vick, and have been wondering what the situation is. Obviously, his passing numbers are pathetic, but maybe there is a little hope for improvement.

Honestly, I'm not sure there is. Those WRs are what they are, they're not going to suddenly get any better.

 

[Rushmore]

It's worse than the old Seattle drops from a few years back. Finneran is missed in this offense. He's not a great fantasy option, but he is more dependable and at least caught the ball. I still think Roddy White will improve, as should Crumpler.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

A lot of Vick's dropped passes are because of his inaccuracy. He'll have a guy going across the field and hit him on his back shoulder instead of leading him. Yes, they're catchable, but part of the blame is on Vick.

Every WR has to deal with those kinds of passes. They are not going to be laser pinpoint accurate everytime. If the ball is near you and especially if you get your hands on it, you have to catch it. If their WRs can only catch the perfectly thrown balls when there isn't a hand in their face, they clearly aren't good WRs.

 

[Power Monster]

Lousy WRs- I have Vick and I have seen these dropped passes as well. The only guy that can go across the middle is Crumpler and he was knocked for a loop when he did come across the middle. The Falcons are the same team as last year. Great job from the Giants but dropped 40 something yard TDs are going to just wake Vick up in the middle of the night with a cold sweat. Maybe it is time for Schaub?

 

[reg]

As far as I know, Stats Inc. is the only source for data on drops, but you'd have to pay a hefty subscriber fee to access the data.

Just look up the Atlanta WR's.Example

I don't think it is very accurate though because it shows Troy Williamson as only having 6 drops, but I know he had 4 in one game.

 

[Big Score]

As far as I know, Stats Inc. is the only source for data on drops, but you'd have to pay a hefty subscriber fee to access the data.

Just look up the Atlanta WR's.Example

I don't think it is very accurate though because it shows Troy Williamson as only having 6 drops, but I know he had 4 in one game.

No it doesn't seem very accurate. It shows Jenkins with only 1 drop & I know that's wrong.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

Lousy WRs- I have Vick and I have seen these dropped passes as well. The only guy that can go across the middle is Crumpler and he was knocked for a loop when he did come across the middle. The Falcons are the same team as last year. Great job from the Giants but dropped 40 something yard TDs are going to just wake Vick up in the middle of the night with a cold sweat. Maybe it is time for Schaub?

How exactly would that fix WRs dropping passes?

 

[Big Score]

Lousy WRs- I have Vick and I have seen these dropped passes as well. The only guy that can go across the middle is Crumpler and he was knocked for a loop when he did come across the middle. The Falcons are the same team as last year. Great job from the Giants but dropped 40 something yard TDs are going to just wake Vick up in the middle of the night with a cold sweat. Maybe it is time for Schaub Stickum?

Fixed

 

[Da Guru]

It may be that Vick so seldom hits the WRs in stride or the hands that they are totally stunned and not ready when he does and can`t hang on.

 

[billymays]

It may be that Vick so seldom hits the WRs in stride or the hands that they are totally stunned and not ready when he does and can`t hang on.

i know some of his flair passes have a little too much steam on thembut i have seen some easy catches that have been dropped...like yesterdayvick shouldve had about 80 more passing yards and a touchdown...at least

 

[Pygmy Marmoset]

It may be that Vick so seldom hits the WRs in stride or the hands that they are totally stunned and not ready when he does and can`t hang on.

I know this is in jest, but the fact that Vick can't establish a real rhythm on the field is exactly why his completion percentage is what it is, IMO. His receivers have no idea what to expect as far as timing on any throw.

 

[Power Monster]

Lousy WRs- I have Vick and I have seen these dropped passes as well. The only guy that can go across the middle is Crumpler and he was knocked for a loop when he did come across the middle. The Falcons are the same team as last year. Great job from the Giants but dropped 40 something yard TDs are going to just wake Vick up in the middle of the night with a cold sweat. Maybe it is time for Schaub Stickum?

Fixed

That is great! Stickum indeed!

 

[Big Score]

It may be that Vick so seldom hits the WRs in stride or the hands that they are totally stunned and not ready when he does and can`t hang on.

I know this is in jest, but the fact that Vick can't establish a real rhythm on the field is exactly why his completion percentage is what it is, IMO. His receivers have no idea what to expect as far as timing on any throw.

Of course the reason Vick can't establish any rythm, is because his WR's are always dropping passes. Catch 22.

 

[Pygmy Marmoset]

It may be that Vick so seldom hits the WRs in stride or the hands that they are totally stunned and not ready when he does and can`t hang on.

I know this is in jest, but the fact that Vick can't establish a real rhythm on the field is exactly why his completion percentage is what it is, IMO. His receivers have no idea what to expect as far as timing on any throw.

Of course the reason Vick can't establish any rythm, is because his WR's are always dropping passes. Catch 22.

If he could get 22 caught, we wouldn't be having this coversation.

 

[Da Guru]

It may be that Vick so seldom hits the WRs in stride or the hands that they are totally stunned and not ready when he does and can`t hang on.

I know this is in jest, but the fact that Vick can't establish a real rhythm on the field is exactly why his completion percentage is what it is, IMO. His receivers have no idea what to expect as far as timing on any throw.

Of course the reason Vick can't establish any rythm, is because his WR's are always dropping passes. Catch 22.

Dan Marino said the same thing last year. The way Vick plays it disrupts "the timing" that is so important in the NFL passing game. The WRs usually have to improvise and that only goes sp far in the NFL..although it is very effective on a playground.

 

[Big Score]

It may be that Vick so seldom hits the WRs in stride or the hands that they are totally stunned and not ready when he does and can`t hang on.

I know this is in jest, but the fact that Vick can't establish a real rhythm on the field is exactly why his completion percentage is what it is, IMO. His receivers have no idea what to expect as far as timing on any throw.

Of course the reason Vick can't establish any rythm, is because his WR's are always dropping passes. Catch 22.

Dan Marino said the same thing last year. The way Vick plays it disrupts "the timing" that is so important in the NFL passing game. The WRs usually have to improvise and that only goes sp far in the NFL..although it is very effective on a playground.

So when the WR's drop balls that hit them square in their hands, it's Vick's fault because of his disruptive timing?Gimme a break

 

[Pygmy Marmoset]

It may be that Vick so seldom hits the WRs in stride or the hands that they are totally stunned and not ready when he does and can`t hang on.

I know this is in jest, but the fact that Vick can't establish a real rhythm on the field is exactly why his completion percentage is what it is, IMO. His receivers have no idea what to expect as far as timing on any throw.

Of course the reason Vick can't establish any rythm, is because his WR's are always dropping passes. Catch 22.

Dan Marino said the same thing last year. The way Vick plays it disrupts "the timing" that is so important in the NFL passing game. The WRs usually have to improvise and that only goes sp far in the NFL..although it is very effective on a playground.

So when the WR's drop balls that hit them square in their hands, it's Vick's fault because of his disruptive timing?Gimme a break

Hmm.... who to trust... Dan Marino or Big Score...

 

[Pygmy Marmoset]

It may be that Vick so seldom hits the WRs in stride or the hands that they are totally stunned and not ready when he does and can`t hang on.

I know this is in jest, but the fact that Vick can't establish a real rhythm on the field is exactly why his completion percentage is what it is, IMO. His receivers have no idea what to expect as far as timing on any throw.

Of course the reason Vick can't establish any rythm, is because his WR's are always dropping passes. Catch 22.

Dan Marino said the same thing last year. The way Vick plays it disrupts "the timing" that is so important in the NFL passing game. The WRs usually have to improvise and that only goes sp far in the NFL..although it is very effective on a playground.

Thank God someone else understands this. I feel vindicated enough that I might actually stop arguing this now for awhile.

 

[Big Score]

It may be that Vick so seldom hits the WRs in stride or the hands that they are totally stunned and not ready when he does and can`t hang on.

I know this is in jest, but the fact that Vick can't establish a real rhythm on the field is exactly why his completion percentage is what it is, IMO. His receivers have no idea what to expect as far as timing on any throw.

Of course the reason Vick can't establish any rythm, is because his WR's are always dropping passes. Catch 22.

Dan Marino said the same thing last year. The way Vick plays it disrupts "the timing" that is so important in the NFL passing game. The WRs usually have to improvise and that only goes sp far in the NFL..although it is very effective on a playground.

So when the WR's drop balls that hit them square in their hands, it's Vick's fault because of his disruptive timing?Gimme a break

Hmm.... who to trust... Dan Marino or Big Score...

WR's dropping balls hitting them right in the hands has got nothing to do with trusting anyone.That's called common sense.

 

[Da Guru]

It may be that Vick so seldom hits the WRs in stride or the hands that they are totally stunned and not ready when he does and can`t hang on.

I know this is in jest, but the fact that Vick can't establish a real rhythm on the field is exactly why his completion percentage is what it is, IMO. His receivers have no idea what to expect as far as timing on any throw.

Of course the reason Vick can't establish any rythm, is because his WR's are always dropping passes. Catch 22.

Dan Marino said the same thing last year. The way Vick plays it disrupts "the timing" that is so important in the NFL passing game. The WRs usually have to improvise and that only goes sp far in the NFL..although it is very effective on a playground.

So when the WR's drop balls that hit them square in their hands, it's Vick's fault because of his disruptive timing?Gimme a break

Hmm.... who to trust... Dan Marino or Big Score...

WR's dropping balls hitting them right in the hands has got nothing to do with trusting anyone.That's called common sense.

Then "stay away" from Vick until Atlanta brings in another crew of WRs. It must be just bad luck that none of Atlanta WRS have been able to hang onto the football since Vick has been there.

 

[rhawkins68]

It may be that Vick so seldom hits the WRs in stride or the hands that they are totally stunned and not ready when he does and can`t hang on.

I know this is in jest, but the fact that Vick can't establish a real rhythm on the field is exactly why his completion percentage is what it is, IMO. His receivers have no idea what to expect as far as timing on any throw.

Of course the reason Vick can't establish any rythm, is because his WR's are always dropping passes. Catch 22.

Dan Marino said the same thing last year. The way Vick plays it disrupts "the timing" that is so important in the NFL passing game. The WRs usually have to improvise and that only goes sp far in the NFL..although it is very effective on a playground.

So when the WR's drop balls that hit them square in their hands, it's Vick's fault because of his disruptive timing?Gimme a break

Hmm.... who to trust... Dan Marino or Big Score...

It is safer to just stay out of Vick threads. I always try to but they get me laughing so I always fall for the trap.Although, this time I will not mention any real football info on timing and footwork. It is always ignored or written off.

 

[Pygmy Marmoset]

It may be that Vick so seldom hits the WRs in stride or the hands that they are totally stunned and not ready when he does and can`t hang on.

I know this is in jest, but the fact that Vick can't establish a real rhythm on the field is exactly why his completion percentage is what it is, IMO. His receivers have no idea what to expect as far as timing on any throw.

Of course the reason Vick can't establish any rythm, is because his WR's are always dropping passes. Catch 22.

Dan Marino said the same thing last year. The way Vick plays it disrupts "the timing" that is so important in the NFL passing game. The WRs usually have to improvise and that only goes sp far in the NFL..although it is very effective on a playground.

So when the WR's drop balls that hit them square in their hands, it's Vick's fault because of his disruptive timing?Gimme a break

Hmm.... who to trust... Dan Marino or Big Score...

It is safer to just stay out of Vick threads. I always try to but they get me laughing so I always fall for the trap.Although, this time I will not mention any real football info on timing and footwork. It is always ignored or written off.

I know. Foolishly I keep thinking people will understand what I'm talking about.

 

[rhawkins68]

It may be that Vick so seldom hits the WRs in stride or the hands that they are totally stunned and not ready when he does and can`t hang on.

I know this is in jest, but the fact that Vick can't establish a real rhythm on the field is exactly why his completion percentage is what it is, IMO. His receivers have no idea what to expect as far as timing on any throw.

Of course the reason Vick can't establish any rythm, is because his WR's are always dropping passes. Catch 22.

Dan Marino said the same thing last year. The way Vick plays it disrupts "the timing" that is so important in the NFL passing game. The WRs usually have to improvise and that only goes sp far in the NFL..although it is very effective on a playground.

So when the WR's drop balls that hit them square in their hands, it's Vick's fault because of his disruptive timing?Gimme a break

Hmm.... who to trust... Dan Marino or Big Score...

It is safer to just stay out of Vick threads. I always try to but they get me laughing so I always fall for the trap.Although, this time I will not mention any real football info on timing and footwork. It is always ignored or written off.

I know. Foolishly I keep thinking people will understand what I'm talking about.

I guess I should admit I have the same attitude about my players. The QB throws the ball at 90mph late and behind my WR. The WR manages to twist around behind him and it pops his fingers back. My response in game and at full speed is "It hit you right in the hands. You have to catch those!!!". Of course when I break down the film my response is "Make sure we work on the timing between QB 1 and WR 2. The QB keeps releasing late, but WR 2 is showing great effort in fighting for the ball"

 

[rhawkins68]

Just thought of something. What happened to A. Lelie. He was a decent option for Plummer in Denver.

 

[Da Guru]

Just thought of something. What happened to A. Lelie. He was a decent option for Plummer in Denver.

It is something about Vick that destroys WRS. Peerless Price was coming off a couple of good seasons and a Pro-Bowl season. Came to Atlanta..never to be heard from again. Lelie should have refused the trade to Atlanta for that reason alone.

 

[Big Score]

Just thought of something. What happened to A. Lelie. He was a decent option for Plummer in Denver.

at Lelie being described as a decent option. That's a 1st.Shanny thought soooooo much of Lelie he gave up Denver's second rounder for Walker & then traded Lelie's sorry butt.

 

[juveduke]

Just thought of something. What happened to A. Lelie. He was a decent option for Plummer in Denver.

He's done the same thing here as in Denver: catch deep balls. He's caught two and got a pass interference on another. Unfortunately, if something is working, Knapp won't call it anymore.He's done pretty well considering he just got here and yesterday was his first game starting.

 

[Big Score]

Lelie should have refused the trade to Atlanta for that reason alone.

Lelie was a dead man walking in Denver. He couldn't even hang on to the WR #2 spot.

 

[juveduke]

Just thought of something. What happened to A. Lelie. He was a decent option for Plummer in Denver.

at Lelie being described as a decent option. That's a 1st.Shanny thought soooooo much of Lelie he gave up Denver's second rounder for Walker & then traded Lelie's sorry butt.

And he's the number 1 option here

 

[Big Score]

It may be that Vick so seldom hits the WRs in stride or the hands that they are totally stunned and not ready when he does and can`t hang on.

I know this is in jest, but the fact that Vick can't establish a real rhythm on the field is exactly why his completion percentage is what it is, IMO. His receivers have no idea what to expect as far as timing on any throw.

Of course the reason Vick can't establish any rythm, is because his WR's are always dropping passes. Catch 22.

Dan Marino said the same thing last year. The way Vick plays it disrupts "the timing" that is so important in the NFL passing game. The WRs usually have to improvise and that only goes sp far in the NFL..although it is very effective on a playground.

So when the WR's drop balls that hit them square in their hands, it's Vick's fault because of his disruptive timing?Gimme a break

Hmm.... who to trust... Dan Marino or Big Score...

WR's dropping balls hitting them right in the hands has got nothing to do with trusting anyone.That's called common sense.

Then "stay away" from Vick until Atlanta brings in another crew of WRs.

Why would anyone "stay away" from Vick? He's scoring quite well in fantasy football.Now if you'd said "stay away" from Atlanta WR's, that would make sense.

 

[Big Score]

Just thought of something. What happened to A. Lelie. He was a decent option for Plummer in Denver.

at Lelie being described as a decent option. That's a 1st.Shanny thought soooooo much of Lelie he gave up Denver's second rounder for Walker & then traded Lelie's sorry butt.

And he's the number 1 option here

Yeah, it's pretty bad when another teams cast off WR #3, becomes somebody elses WR #1. :X

 

[rhawkins68]

Just thought of something. What happened to A. Lelie. He was a decent option for Plummer in Denver.

at Lelie being described as a decent option. That's a 1st.Shanny thought soooooo much of Lelie he gave up Denver's second rounder for Walker & then traded Lelie's sorry butt.

Interesting. I would consider him a decent WR option. Curious to why you wouldn't?

In the games I watched him play he runs goods routes, finds the holes in zones, and appears to make good reads coming off the line. I also do not recall him dropping a lot of balls.

Wasn't he also a top 30 WR on a run first team the last two years (as a #2 WR).

Decent in my book. Not great or above average but passable at the position.

 

[rhawkins68]

Just thought of something. What happened to A. Lelie. He was a decent option for Plummer in Denver.

He's done the same thing here as in Denver: catch deep balls. He's caught two and got a pass interference on another. Unfortunately, if something is working, Knapp won't call it anymore.He's done pretty well considering he just got here and yesterday was his first game starting.

Good info. To bad more people don't post actual relevant information.

 

[Big Score]

Just thought of something. What happened to A. Lelie. He was a decent option for Plummer in Denver.

at Lelie being described as a decent option. That's a 1st.Shanny thought soooooo much of Lelie he gave up Denver's second rounder for Walker & then traded Lelie's sorry butt.

Interesting. I would consider him a decent WR option. Curious to why you wouldn't?

In the games I watched him play he runs goods routes, finds the holes in zones, and appears to make good reads coming off the line. I also do not recall him dropping a lot of balls.

Wasn't he also a top 30 WR on a run first team the last two years (as a #2 WR).

Decent in my book. Not great or above average but passable at the position.

From my understanding it was his lack of consistency last year, but you really need to be asking Sundquist & Shanny, not me. They're the ones who specifically saw something about Lelie that they didn't like & spent a 2nd rounder on another WR, so they could move Lelie.

 

[f360spyder]

I think Walker to the Falcons would have been a nice addition

I can dream, can't I..?

 

[rhawkins68]

Just thought of something. What happened to A. Lelie. He was a decent option for Plummer in Denver.

at Lelie being described as a decent option. That's a 1st.Shanny thought soooooo much of Lelie he gave up Denver's second rounder for Walker & then traded Lelie's sorry butt.

Interesting. I would consider him a decent WR option. Curious to why you wouldn't?

In the games I watched him play he runs goods routes, finds the holes in zones, and appears to make good reads coming off the line. I also do not recall him dropping a lot of balls.

Wasn't he also a top 30 WR on a run first team the last two years (as a #2 WR).

Decent in my book. Not great or above average but passable at the position.

From my understanding it was his lack of consistency last year, but you really need to be asking Sundquist & Shanny, not me. They're the ones who specifically saw something about Lelie that they didn't like & spent a 2nd rounder on another WR, so they could move Lelie.

Consistency could be it. I watched him play only a few games last year and none so far this year. I just know what I saw in those two plus his stats. Wasn't there also a big fuss over his contract also?