Mike Vick (1 Viewer)

[Keith Lewis]

Is it time to cut ties with Vick and send him to the waiver wire?

Contrary to what some posters think, I am of the opinion that his career is over. Is he even worth shopping around? Having the guy on my roster is like a big headache, I'm not sure it's worth the headache to try and trade him for some crumbs. I've avoided headaches such as Terrell Owens for years, the question pretty much is does he have enough value to justify the headache, if all he's worth is like a 5th or 6th round rookie pick I'd just assume drop him and the aspirin right now.

 

[fruity pebbles]

I'd atleast wait and see how the trial plays out.

 

[Silver & Black]

Who is this Mike Vick you speak of?

 

[SSOG]

I can't for the life of me figure out a single reason why anyone would drop Michael Vick right now. It'd be like saying "Hey guys, Matt Hasselbeck got injured during training camps and the coach is sending him in for tests to see if it's career-ending. Should I drop him immediately, or wait for the test results first?" You might be of the OPINION that Vick will never play in the NFL again. I'm sure a lot of people were of the OPINION that O.J. Simpson murdered his wife, too. And while the Feds have a 96% conviction rate, 96% != 100%. Besides, the trial probably won't conclude until after the season, and we still don't know for sure that Vick is going to be suspended for this entire season.

Unless you desperately, direly need the roster spot and you don't have a single other marginal player on your entire roster, there's no reason to bother dropping Vick. I also fail to see how he's a headache at this point- if I owned him, I would expect absolutely nothing out of him, and if he wound up outperforming that I'd be pleasantly surprised. He's only a headache if you're actually counting on him.

 

[DenverBroncos]

Yes drop him before you find out anything concrete. I'm sure he'll stay on the WW for a long time..........

 

[squistion]

Vick will never play another regular season game in the NFL IMO. Get whatever you can for him in trade. Even if he is acquited (like O.J.) the taint will always be there in the public mind.

 

[SSOG]

Vick will never play another regular season game in the NFL IMO. Get whatever you can for him in trade. Even if he is acquited (like O.J.) the taint will always be there in the public mind.

Who cares if the taint is still there? The taint is still there for Ray Lewis, too, but I don't see anyone in the IDP forum saying you shouldn't draft him because he was once involved in a homicide investigation. If Vick gets acquitted, there's no way they can keep him out of the NFL indefinitely, and as long as Vick is in the NFL he'll have solid fantasy value.

 

[squistion]

Vick will never play another regular season game in the NFL IMO. Get whatever you can for him in trade. Even if he is acquited (like O.J.) the taint will always be there in the public mind.

Who cares if the taint is still there? The taint is still there for Ray Lewis, too, but I don't see anyone in the IDP forum saying you shouldn't draft him because he was once involved in a homicide investigation. If Vick gets acquitted, there's no way they can keep him out of the NFL indefinitely, and as long as Vick is in the NFL he'll have solid fantasy value.

The American public cares and whether it is right or wrong, finds abuse against children, animals and the elderly much worse than being involved in a homicide investigation. This will never go away for Vick.

 

[tomarken]

Vick will never play another regular season game in the NFL IMO. Get whatever you can for him in trade. Even if he is acquited (like O.J.) the taint will always be there in the public mind.

Who cares if the taint is still there? The taint is still there for Ray Lewis, too, but I don't see anyone in the IDP forum saying you shouldn't draft him because he was once involved in a homicide investigation. If Vick gets acquitted, there's no way they can keep him out of the NFL indefinitely, and as long as Vick is in the NFL he'll have solid fantasy value.

Doesn't every player in the NFL have a taint?

 

[dgreen]

I can't for the life of me figure out a single reason why anyone would drop Michael Vick right now.

I'm currently trying to trade FOR Vick. He should be cheap.

 

[kook178]

Vick will never play another regular season game in the NFL IMO. Get whatever you can for him in trade. Even if he is acquited (like O.J.) the taint will always be there in the public mind.

Who cares if the taint is still there? The taint is still there for Ray Lewis, too, but I don't see anyone in the IDP forum saying you shouldn't draft him because he was once involved in a homicide investigation. If Vick gets acquitted, there's no way they can keep him out of the NFL indefinitely, and as long as Vick is in the NFL he'll have solid fantasy value.

Doesn't every player in the NFL have a taint?

I'm not sure if I've ever laughed as hard as I just did upon reading the above.Thanks for a hand on a Monday morning.

 

[TheFanatic]

I have the guy in a dynasty league and I am not looking to cut him. Gonna wait and see. I am pretty sure that he won't play this year and will likely go on my IR. But I am also one of those that thinks he very well may be done in the NFL. But I'm not going to cur him just because I have a gut feeling he's done. If I IR the guy I gain my roster spot back.

I also would not trade him now as he will be at an all time low....

 

[tribecalledjeff]

Vick will never play another regular season game in the NFL IMO. Get whatever you can for him in trade. Even if he is acquited (like O.J.) the taint will always be there in the public mind.

Who cares if the taint is still there? The taint is still there for Ray Lewis, too, but I don't see anyone in the IDP forum saying you shouldn't draft him because he was once involved in a homicide investigation. If Vick gets acquitted, there's no way they can keep him out of the NFL indefinitely, and as long as Vick is in the NFL he'll have solid fantasy value.

The American public cares and whether it is right or wrong, finds abuse against children, animals and the elderly much worse than being involved in a homicide investigation. This will never go away for Vick.

So what? Most leagues don't have a category in their scoring for public perception. Don't drop him.

 

[SproutDaddy]

Vick will never play another regular season game in the NFL IMO. Get whatever you can for him in trade. Even if he is acquited (like O.J.) the taint will always be there in the public mind.

Who cares if the taint is still there? The taint is still there for Ray Lewis, too, but I don't see anyone in the IDP forum saying you shouldn't draft him because he was once involved in a homicide investigation. If Vick gets acquitted, there's no way they can keep him out of the NFL indefinitely, and as long as Vick is in the NFL he'll have solid fantasy value.

The American public cares and whether it is right or wrong, finds abuse against children, animals and the elderly much worse than being involved in a homicide investigation. This will never go away for Vick.

Neither will the fact that at this point in his life he is an incredible athlete. Some will argue his skills as a QB, but as long as he's not convicted he has a place on my roster.

 

[squistion]

So what? Most leagues don't have a category in their scoring for public perception. Don't drop him.

True, but the NFL as a corporate entity does care about public perception and if he never sees the field again that will impact most leagues, irrespective of whether or not they have a scoring for public perception.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

So what? Most leagues don't have a category in their scoring for public perception. Don't drop him.

True, but the NFL as a corporate entity does care about public perception and if he never sees the field again that will impact most leagues, irrespective of whether or not they have a scoring for public perception.

Keeping Vick at the end of your bench in a dynasty league will not have a major impact on your season. I'm keeping him until I know more. Low risk/high possible reward, even if the chance of reward is low.

 

[Stealthycat]

FF GOLD - keep him

Okay, I lied. He's headed for the pokey, but its shocking you didn't already see this coming and have to ask the question "should I keep Vick"

Vick = Ricky Williams right now, and Ricky might have a better shot at returning to the NFL than Vick does

 

[ILUVBEER99]

I can't for the life of me figure out a single reason why anyone would drop Michael Vick right now.

I'm currently trying to trade FOR Vick. He should be cheap.

I've been after him as well, offering a 3rd round rookie pick.Worst case scenario is that he never plays again, which is the same thing that can be said of who you would get with your 3rd round rookie pick, plus Vick's upside is a lot higher.

 

[tribecalledjeff]

Vick will never play another regular season game in the NFL IMO. Get whatever you can for him in trade. Even if he is acquited (like O.J.) the taint will always be there in the public mind.

Who cares if the taint is still there? The taint is still there for Ray Lewis, too, but I don't see anyone in the IDP forum saying you shouldn't draft him because he was once involved in a homicide investigation. If Vick gets acquitted, there's no way they can keep him out of the NFL indefinitely, and as long as Vick is in the NFL he'll have solid fantasy value.

The American public cares and whether it is right or wrong, finds abuse against children, animals and the elderly much worse than being involved in a homicide investigation. This will never go away for Vick.

Neither will the fact that at this point in his life he is an incredible athlete. Some will argue his skills as a QB, but as long as he's not convicted he has a place on my roster.

Even if he misses the entire season, there's no way that I'd drop him. He's only 27.

 

[Christo]

I can't for the life of me figure out a single reason why anyone would drop Michael Vick right now.

 

[ShadowMaster]

I can't for the life of me figure out a single reason why anyone would drop Michael Vick right now. It'd be like saying "Hey guys, Matt Hasselbeck got injured during training camps and the coach is sending him in for tests to see if it's career-ending. Should I drop him immediately, or wait for the test results first?" You might be of the OPINION that Vick will never play in the NFL again. I'm sure a lot of people were of the OPINION that O.J. Simpson murdered his wife, too. And while the Feds have a 96% conviction rate, 96% != 100%. Besides, the trial probably won't conclude until after the season, and we still don't know for sure that Vick is going to be suspended for this entire season.Unless you desperately, direly need the roster spot and you don't have a single other marginal player on your entire roster, there's no reason to bother dropping Vick. I also fail to see how he's a headache at this point- if I owned him, I would expect absolutely nothing out of him, and if he wound up outperforming that I'd be pleasantly surprised. He's only a headache if you're actually counting on him.

You can't really compare OJ to Vick, except that both were football players and both have/will face(ed) prosecution.The OJ case involved 3 people and 1 key witness - the Vick case seems to involve a whole bunch of people. They (allegidly) were at events in 4-5 different states against various competitors. Too many people, and something tells me a BUNCH more direct evidence against Vick.With that said - IMO OJ did it and the cops/prosecution blew it..... and even though free, OJ is hardly marketable. Just ask FOX network. I don't know if they will convict Vick, but I am pretty sure is is not very marketable. The taint will severely limit his ability to produce again as a NFL football player.

 

[tribecalledjeff]

I can't for the life of me figure out a single reason why anyone would drop Michael Vick right now. It'd be like saying "Hey guys, Matt Hasselbeck got injured during training camps and the coach is sending him in for tests to see if it's career-ending. Should I drop him immediately, or wait for the test results first?" You might be of the OPINION that Vick will never play in the NFL again. I'm sure a lot of people were of the OPINION that O.J. Simpson murdered his wife, too. And while the Feds have a 96% conviction rate, 96% != 100%. Besides, the trial probably won't conclude until after the season, and we still don't know for sure that Vick is going to be suspended for this entire season.

Unless you desperately, direly need the roster spot and you don't have a single other marginal player on your entire roster, there's no reason to bother dropping Vick. I also fail to see how he's a headache at this point- if I owned him, I would expect absolutely nothing out of him, and if he wound up outperforming that I'd be pleasantly surprised. He's only a headache if you're actually counting on him.

You can't really compare OJ to Vick, except that both were football players and both have/will face(ed) prosecution.The OJ case involved 3 people and 1 key witness - the Vick case seems to involve a whole bunch of people. They (allegidly) were at events in 4-5 different states against various competitors. Too many people, and something tells me a BUNCH more direct evidence against Vick.

With that said - IMO OJ did it and the cops/prosecution blew it..... and even though free, OJ is hardly marketable. Just ask FOX network.

I don't know if they will convict Vick, but I am pretty sure is is not very marketable. The taint will severely limit his ability to produce again as a NFL football player.

How so? Does taint make one slower? Reduce one's arm strength?

Tell me that the taintTM will limit the likelihood that a team gives him a job, and I'll understand. I'll disagree, but at least you have an argument.

His image or public perception has ZERO to do with how he can produce again in the NFL once he's on the field.

 

[tomarken]

I can't for the life of me figure out a single reason why anyone would drop Michael Vick right now. It'd be like saying "Hey guys, Matt Hasselbeck got injured during training camps and the coach is sending him in for tests to see if it's career-ending. Should I drop him immediately, or wait for the test results first?" You might be of the OPINION that Vick will never play in the NFL again. I'm sure a lot of people were of the OPINION that O.J. Simpson murdered his wife, too. And while the Feds have a 96% conviction rate, 96% != 100%. Besides, the trial probably won't conclude until after the season, and we still don't know for sure that Vick is going to be suspended for this entire season.

Unless you desperately, direly need the roster spot and you don't have a single other marginal player on your entire roster, there's no reason to bother dropping Vick. I also fail to see how he's a headache at this point- if I owned him, I would expect absolutely nothing out of him, and if he wound up outperforming that I'd be pleasantly surprised. He's only a headache if you're actually counting on him.

You can't really compare OJ to Vick, except that both were football players and both have/will face(ed) prosecution.The OJ case involved 3 people and 1 key witness - the Vick case seems to involve a whole bunch of people. They (allegidly) were at events in 4-5 different states against various competitors. Too many people, and something tells me a BUNCH more direct evidence against Vick.

With that said - IMO OJ did it and the cops/prosecution blew it..... and even though free, OJ is hardly marketable. Just ask FOX network.

I don't know if they will convict Vick, but I am pretty sure is is not very marketable. The taint will severely limit his ability to produce again as a NFL football player.

How so? Does taint make one slower? Reduce one's arm strength?

Tell me that the taintTM will limit the likelihood that a team gives him a job, and I'll understand. I'll disagree, but at least you have an argument.

His image or public perception has ZERO to do with how he can produce again in the NFL once he's on the field.

If his taint is injured, it may hurt his rushing totals, IMO.

 

[fsufan]

no one in my league will give up a 2nd round pick for him, at least I have palmer

 

[fsufan]

I can't for the life of me figure out a single reason why anyone would drop Michael Vick right now.

I'm currently trying to trade FOR Vick. He should be cheap.

i have asked for a 2nd round pick and now asking for a 3rd round but no takers

 

[dgreen]

I can't for the life of me figure out a single reason why anyone would drop Michael Vick right now.

I'm currently trying to trade FOR Vick. He should be cheap.

i have asked for a 2nd round pick and now asking for a 3rd round but no takers

That's pretty crazy, IMO, to not give up a 3rd.

 

[toxicbees]

I can't for the life of me figure out a single reason why anyone would drop Michael Vick right now.

I'm currently trying to trade FOR Vick. He should be cheap.

i have asked for a 2nd round pick and now asking for a 3rd round but no takers

That's pretty crazy, IMO, to not give up a 3rd.

If he was dumped in my league, I probably wouldn't pick him up.

 

[nygiants56]

Vick will never play another regular season game in the NFL IMO. Get whatever you can for him in trade. Even if he is acquited (like O.J.) the taint will always be there in the public mind.

Who cares if the taint is still there? The taint is still there for Ray Lewis, too, but I don't see anyone in the IDP forum saying you shouldn't draft him because he was once involved in a homicide investigation. If Vick gets acquitted, there's no way they can keep him out of the NFL indefinitely, and as long as Vick is in the NFL he'll have solid fantasy value.

He's done, man..companies like Nike are already pulling endorsements. Vendors like Bud,Miller, Nathans Hot Dogs, are likely to pull support from any stadium that Vick calls home. Many companies will drop their advertising during NFL games...thats a ton of potential profit the NFL will most definitely lose, if anyone signs him. and then there's PETA..people camping out in front of the stadium ,protesting. people camping out in front of the teams headquarters, and of course, the media will follow them everywhere they go..and,there are some 24 million dog owners in America.. He's a PR nightmare. he's like asbestos, no one will touch him.even if he's innocent, the fact remains, tortured/dead dogs were found on his property. whether he was there during the killing of these dogs, it doesn't matter...its HIS property..

he's finished...the general public won't forgive something like this...and PETA will NEVER go away..

he's played his last game in the NFL..

the Feds conviction rate, as you said, is around 96% ( I actually thought it was around 92%)..but that clearly means he will cop a plea deal, because he's facing hard time in Leavenworth if convicted..the Feds took their time, to make sure they got things right,before bringing this indictment..

 

[Loan Sharks]

Get rid of him waste of Roster space.

 

[dgreen]

Get rid of him waste of Roster space.

My main league rosters over 300 players (including IDP). I can't imagine Vick not being one of them.

 

[Loan Sharks]

Get rid of him waste of Roster space.

My main league rosters over 300 players (including IDP). I can't imagine Vick not being one of them.

Ok, then roster him up next to Barry Sanders, I assume you are the guy that held onto the pipe dream for 3 years waiting for him to come back. I think Vick is a negative roster spot, that if and when he comes back the spot would have been used to find a better player. Even in a tight league a prospect with some chance of success is better that a zero. My thing is Vick may have some value in the future, but it is gonna be a while and the time factor makes it unprofitable, find someone else. Better yet pick up the guy that gets cut when some sucker picks up Vick to hold onto for three years.

 

[SSOG]

Vick will never play another regular season game in the NFL IMO. Get whatever you can for him in trade. Even if he is acquited (like O.J.) the taint will always be there in the public mind.

Who cares if the taint is still there? The taint is still there for Ray Lewis, too, but I don't see anyone in the IDP forum saying you shouldn't draft him because he was once involved in a homicide investigation. If Vick gets acquitted, there's no way they can keep him out of the NFL indefinitely, and as long as Vick is in the NFL he'll have solid fantasy value.

The American public cares and whether it is right or wrong, finds abuse against children, animals and the elderly much worse than being involved in a homicide investigation. This will never go away for Vick.

Oh yeah, I forgot my scoring system gives -1 fantasy point for every time a player gets boo'd . This is fantasy football here. America could think he's Osama Bin Ladin in disguise and his fantasy points would still count just as much as everyone else's.Personally, I believe that Vick will never play another snap of football again in his entire career. I strongly believe that. On the other hand, I've been wrong before and I'll be wrong again- what does it hurt to keep him and see? I wouldn't be entirely surprised if he winds up playing THIS SEASON. If the league tries to hold him out of the game they're going to face a grievance, and who knows what will happen then?

 

[squistion]

Personally, I believe that Vick will never play another snap of football again in his entire career... what does it hurt to keep him and see?

As the other poster pointed out, you lose the roster spot that you could use for a player that actually might have some value or in this case, any value.

 

[tribecalledjeff]

Personally, I believe that Vick will never play another snap of football again in his entire career... what does it hurt to keep him and see?

As the other poster pointed out, you lose the roster spot that you could use for a player that actually might have some value or in this case, any value.

You've never been wrong before?The potential payoff, even if it is in 2 years, is huge. The risk (a roster spot) is very small. I do happen to think he's going to play again. But even if I didn't, I'd have to be 110% convinced before I dropped the #3 scoring QB in my league last year. Guys like that don't just drop out of the sky. He's 27 years old. He could go to jail for 2 years, come back, and be completely relevant. And yes, I'd keep him on my roster the entire time. Do as you like, though.

 

[Christo]

Personally, I believe that Vick will never play another snap of football again in his entire career... what does it hurt to keep him and see?

As the other poster pointed out, you lose the roster spot that you could use for a player that actually might have some value or in this case, any value.

In one dynasty league I'm carrying Matt Cassell. I think I'd take a chance at swapping him for Vick.

 

[SSOG]

Personally, I believe that Vick will never play another snap of football again in his entire career... what does it hurt to keep him and see?

As the other poster pointed out, you lose the roster spot that you could use for a player that actually might have some value or in this case, any value.

Right. You could drop him for a player that might have SOME value. You can't drop him for a player that might have VICK-LEVEL value. Guys like that aren't available on the waiver wire (and if they are, why the hell haven't you added them already?)

 

[squistion]

You've never been wrong before?

I've never been in a situation like this before, so what I have been right or wrong on is not analogous.The closest I can remember is Rae Carruth and his situation looked much better at this stage of the game than Michael Vick.

 

[squistion]

Right. You could drop him for a player that might have SOME value. You can't drop him for a player that might have VICK-LEVEL value.

It doesn't matter what the VICK-LEVEL value is, if the actual value of Vick is zero.

 

[SproutDaddy]

The closest I can remember is Rae Carruth and his situation looked much better at this stage of the game than Michael Vick.

The two situations are nowhere near the same. And furthermore Carruth's situation never looked good for him.

 

[squistion]

The two situations are nowhere near the same. And furthermore Carruth's situation never looked good for him.

As opposed to Vick's?

 

[dickey moe]

Vick will never play another regular season game in the NFL IMO. Get whatever you can for him in trade. Even if he is acquited (like O.J.) the taint will always be there in the public mind.

Who cares if the taint is still there? The taint is still there for Ray Lewis, too, but I don't see anyone in the IDP forum saying you shouldn't draft him because he was once involved in a homicide investigation. If Vick gets acquitted, there's no way they can keep him out of the NFL indefinitely, and as long as Vick is in the NFL he'll have solid fantasy value.

Doesn't every player in the NFL have a taint?

Just when I thought I'd come up with something snappy, there's this.POTY

 

[SproutDaddy]

The two situations are nowhere near the same. And furthermore Carruth's situation never looked good for him.

As opposed to Vick's?

 

[chris1969]

The two situations are nowhere near the same. And furthermore Carruth's situation never looked good for him.

As opposed to Vick's?

 

[Keith Lewis]

The two situations are nowhere near the same. And furthermore Carruth's situation never looked good for him.

As opposed to Vick's?

What's this all about guys? No pissing in the pool.

 

[chris1969]

The two situations are nowhere near the same. And furthermore Carruth's situation never looked good for him.

As opposed to Vick's?

:(

What's this all about guys? No pissing in the pool.

Not sure why you think I was pissing. I just rolled my eyes at someone diluted enough to think Vick will ever play football again. The dog fighting charges alone will kill Vick, but nobody talks about the gambling that goes along with it. That's Vick's insurance policy that he'll never play again.

 

[SproutDaddy]

I just rolled my eyes at someone diluted enough to think Vick will ever play football again.

:( Please give your proof that he will not play again. If he is convicted......IF........again I state "IF" he is convicted he will not play again. You tell me, has he been convicted of anything as of yet? How many people were saying that Ray Lewis would never play again back when he was on trial? I just think logically before I post things.

 

[chris1969]

I just rolled my eyes at someone diluted enough to think Vick will ever play football again.

:( Please give your proof that he will not play again. If he is convicted......IF........again I state "IF" he is convicted he will not play again. You tell me, has he been convicted of anything as of yet? How many people were saying that Ray Lewis would never play again back when he was on trial? I just think logically before I post things.

There's a new sheriff in town when it comes to a comissioner. Who's done worse Odell Thurman or Vick? A murderer has a better chance of playing again in the NFL than a gambler. Vick's owner has already given up on him, even though the cap hit will kill him for the next 3 years. Federal prosecuters have like a 97% conviction rate if I'm not mistaken. There are witnesses that place Vick at dog fights. It doesn't even matter at this point if he was in charge (Which anyone with a brain knows that he was,) The ASPCA has put enough pressure on the NFL that will insure that Vick never plays again. His friends are already starting to make deals with the Feds. Even if Vick hires Johnny Cochrain and gets acquitted of the dog fighting charges, the Feds will file the gambling charges the next day. I just think logically before I post too, only I'm not diluted enough to let my emotions get away with reality.

 

[SSOG]

I just rolled my eyes at someone diluted enough to think Vick will ever play football again.

:( Please give your proof that he will not play again. If he is convicted......IF........again I state "IF" he is convicted he will not play again. You tell me, has he been convicted of anything as of yet? How many people were saying that Ray Lewis would never play again back when he was on trial? I just think logically before I post things.

There's a new sheriff in town when it comes to a comissioner. Who's done worse Odell Thurman or Vick? A murderer has a better chance of playing again in the NFL than a gambler. Vick's owner has already given up on him, even though the cap hit will kill him for the next 3 years. Federal prosecuters have like a 97% conviction rate if I'm not mistaken. There are witnesses that place Vick at dog fights. It doesn't even matter at this point if he was in charge (Which anyone with a brain knows that he was,) The ASPCA has put enough pressure on the NFL that will insure that Vick never plays again. His friends are already starting to make deals with the Feds. Even if Vick hires Johnny Cochrain and gets acquitted of the dog fighting charges, the Feds will file the gambling charges the next day. I just think logically before I post too, only I'm not diluted enough to let my emotions get away with reality.

First off, unless you're talking about how everyone else has been reduced in strength through the addition of water, I believe the word you're looking for is "deluded" rather than "diluted". Also, calling someone "deluded" (especially REPEATEDLY calling someone "deluded") indicates that you think they have lost touch with reality. Personally, I find such an assertion offensive. In addition, there are other examples in this thread of you using attacking language. Please, if you disagree with something, attack the ARGUMENT, not the person making it.Second off, let's say that the Feds have a 97% conviction rate (I've heard 96%, but it makes no difference- the important point is that it's a less than 100% conviction rate). That means that 3% of the time they FAIL TO CONVICT. If they fail to convict, the commissioner can't keep Vick out of the league (the Player's Association would NEVER stand for that, EVER, not in a million years). That means that Vick has a 3% chance of playing in the league again. If he does play in the league again, I'd give him a 90% chance of posting QB1 numbers (top-12), since he's always posted QB1 numbers. I'd even give him a solid shot at posting QB6 numbers or better. Now, think about what kind of QBs are available on the waiver wire in even a reasonably deep Dynasty league (12 teams, 25 roster spots, that's 300 players). What percent chance do you think the 301st best player in the league has of becoming a top-5 QB? Personally, I think it's lower than Michael Vick's chances, so it doesn't make sense to drop Vick.In addition, there's PERCEIVED value. This thread should make it obvious that Vick isn't going to be sitting on the waivers if you cut him. Let's say you want to cut him for Super-Duper-Sleeper-Deluxe... there's no guarantee that SDSD would get picked up, so by rostering Vick, you effectively keep both players available to you (whereas if you trade him for SDSD, you only have access to one player).

 

[cstu]

The two situations are nowhere near the same. And furthermore Carruth's situation never looked good for him.

As opposed to Vick's?

What's this all about guys? No pissing in the pool.

Not sure why you think I was pissing. I just rolled my eyes at someone diluted enough to think Vick will ever play football again. The dog fighting charges alone will kill Vick, but nobody talks about the gambling that goes along with it. That's Vick's insurance policy that he'll never play again.

The people who are deluded the ones that think no one will be interested in Vick in two years. You forget how quickly the public sentiment moves on to something else. Yes, there will be PETA protesters wherever Vick plays but not enough of them (like there are now) to stop a team that eeds a QB from hiring him.

 

[Mark Wimer]

I just rolled my eyes at someone diluted enough to think Vick will ever play football again.

Please give your proof that he will not play again. If he is convicted......IF........again I state "IF" he is convicted he will not play again. You tell me, has he been convicted of anything as of yet? How many people were saying that Ray Lewis would never play again back when he was on trial? I just think logically before I post things.

Guys, the CBA has a seperate set of clauses about associating with known gamblers/illegal gambling activity. It explicitly states that the commissioner can hand out serious to severe penalties (ie banishment/permanent suspension) for illegal gambling REGARDLESS if the gambling activity results in a criminal conviction or not. The bar on that clause is "credible evidence". Read the plea deal that Tony Taylor entered into voluntarily (with no guarantee of a reduced sentence) and see if you think there isn't credible evidence of illegal gambling on Vick's part...The Smoking Gun 13 page plea deal with Tony Taylor

I posted the relevant CBA information in another Vick thread, but here it is again, from ProFootballWeekly's Mike Wilkening:

Notice how the NFL's investigation will focus on whether Vick violated league policies, and not just the personal-conduct policy. The indictment alleges Vick gambled on dogfights, and that could put in him in violation of the NFL's policy on gambling, which holds that "associating with gamblers or gambling activities in a manner tending to bring discredit to the NFL" is considered "conduct detrimental" to the NFL. Such conduct, per the policy, could merit "serious" or "severe" penalties.

The personal-conduct policy holds that an employee of the NFL or its member clubs is "held to higher standard and expected to conduct yourself in a way that is responsible, promotes the values upon which the League is based, and is lawful. Persons who fail to live up to this standard of conduct are guilty of conduct detrimental and subject to discipline, even where the conduct itself does not result in a conviction of a crime."

The conduct policy also states that the league may discipline players who have engaged in "conduct that undermines or puts at risk the integrity and reputation of the NFL, NFL clubs or NFL players." Discipline, according to the NFL, "may take the form of fines, suspension or banishment from the League and may include a probationary period and conditions that must be satisfied prior to or following reinstatement."