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Mike Williams leaves Detroit.... (1 Viewer)

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What could also help the Buccaneers' cause is the recent decision by Lions WR Mike Williams, who has worn on Marinelli, to pull out of the offseason program in Detroit in the hope that the Lions will cut him and allow him to sign with Oakland, his desired destination. That would reunite Williams with new Raiders head coach Lane Kiffin, who coached him at USC. With the addition of another big receiver in Oakland, the option to draft a quarterback who can get on the field now and manage the game, which will not come easy for Russell, could become more attractive.

 
Sounds like a perfect match to me.

How long does it take Mike Williams to create seperation and get open?

How long can the raider OL protect a QB?

 
Don't let the door hit you in the ***, Williams!

By far...BY FAR...the worst draft pick by Millen. All that LB talent on the table...all that OL talent available...2 WR in the previous 2 years...and he takes Mike (blanking) Williams. A player that had a recorded foundness for fast food, dogging it, being inmature and had been out of football for a year.

Thinking about this really upsets me. I gotta go kick my neighbor's cat.

 
Don't let the door hit you in the ***, Williams!By far...BY FAR...the worst draft pick by Millen. All that LB talent on the table...all that OL talent available...2 WR in the previous 2 years...and he takes Mike (blanking) Williams. A player that had a recorded foundness for fast food, dogging it, being inmature and had been out of football for a year. Thinking about this really upsets me. I gotta go kick my neighbor's cat.
Turned out to be a huge choke, but many experts felt he was a top 5 talent in the draft. IIRC Mel Kipper was gushing about Williams.
 
Excuse me while I send I told you so e-mails out to all my Lions friends.

 
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Hindsight is always 20/20.

While I was not a big Mike Williams fan, many so-called experts and fans felt he was the top talent in the draft. Most felt he was a top 5 talent.

Only a few questioned the fact that he was a tweener - not big enough for a TE and not fast enough for a WR

 
Don't let the door hit you in the ***, Williams!By far...BY FAR...the worst draft pick by Millen. All that LB talent on the table...all that OL talent available...2 WR in the previous 2 years...and he takes Mike (blanking) Williams. A player that had a recorded foundness for fast food, dogging it, being inmature and had been out of football for a year. Thinking about this really upsets me. I gotta go kick my neighbor's cat.
Turned out to be a huge choke, but many experts felt he was a top 5 talent in the draft. IIRC Mel Kipper was gushing about Williams.
Whether he was the supposed talent the "experts" said & whether or not Kiper was gushing about him I remember the suprise by all of them when the Lions pick was announced. It wasn't the right move for the franchise at that time.
 
Don't let the door hit you in the ***, Williams!

By far...BY FAR...the worst draft pick by Millen. All that LB talent on the table...all that OL talent available...2 WR in the previous 2 years...and he takes Mike (blanking) Williams. A player that had a recorded foundness for fast food, dogging it, being inmature and had been out of football for a year.

Thinking about this really upsets me. I gotta go kick my neighbor's cat.
Turned out to be a huge choke, but many experts felt he was a top 5 talent in the draft. IIRC Mel Kipper was gushing about Williams.
The kid has/had a VERY large frame and was/is nowhere near done growing. He also liked/likes to eat and eat badly. Lastly, his work ethic was/is not the best. A team's sports science department can attempt to determine how much more growth a player should have and what his frame/weight could look like within a few years. I do not claim to be as knowledgeable about players as draft experts but...but... There were enough Buyer Beware tags on Williams that someone...ANYONE...within the Lions franchise with any common sense should have known better.

Whether he was the supposed talent the "experts" said & whether or not Kiper was gushing about him I remember the suprise by all of them when the Lions pick was announced. It wasn't the right move for the franchise at that time.

Bingo.

 
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Hindsight is always 20/20.While I was not a big Mike Williams fan, many so-called experts and fans felt he was the top talent in the draft. Most felt he was a top 5 talent.Only a few questioned the fact that he was a tweener - not big enough for a TE and not fast enough for a WR
:hey: I tend to roll out the I told ya sos when I get things right, especially when my opinion is running contrary to mainstream, so I will eat this crow. I thought Mike Williams would be super star, I was confident and vocal about it. Ah well.
 
This title is deceiving... he hasn't gone anywhere... yet. But when he does, I would think the Titans could make a move as well. Low risk, high reward kind of thing.

 
and guys remember, Kiper had him at #1 and repeating what was said earlier, most had him in the top 5 . . . now we know why he may have slipped to 10 . . .

 
Don't let the door hit you in the ***, Williams!

By far...BY FAR...the worst draft pick by Millen. All that LB talent on the table...all that OL talent available...2 WR in the previous 2 years...and he takes Mike (blanking) Williams. A player that had a recorded foundness for fast food, dogging it, being inmature and had been out of football for a year.

Thinking about this really upsets me. I gotta go kick my neighbor's cat.
Turned out to be a huge choke, but many experts felt he was a top 5 talent in the draft. IIRC Mel Kipper was gushing about Williams.
The kid has/had a VERY large frame and was/is nowhere near done growing. He also liked/likes to eat and eat badly. Lastly, his work ethic was/is not the best. A team's sports science department can attempt to determine how much more growth a player should have and what his frame/weight could look like within a few years. I do not claim to be as knowledgeable about players as draft experts but...but... There were enough Buyer Beware tags on Williams that someone...ANYONE...within the Lions franchise with any common sense should have known better.

Whether he was the supposed talent the "experts" said & whether or not Kiper was gushing about him I remember the suprise by all of them when the Lions pick was announced. It wasn't the right move for the franchise at that time.

Bingo.
And yet, according to this thread you felt highly enough about Williams, with all his obvious well-documented red flags, to take him at 1.07 of your rookie draft. And even after the draft, this is what you had to say about Williams:
1.07 turned into Mike Williams. The guy is a physical specimen and it might take a while for him to knock off the rust. He is a beast and is going to create all kinds of problems for defenders.
Williams was drafted Top 10 and it is WAY too early to write that kid off.
My expectations of all the rookie WR are also realistic. I do not expect any of them to follow in the footsteps of Moss, Boldin or Clayton. Hey, if someone does, that is ok but each of their situations indicate that will probably not be the case. However, Edwards, M. Williams and B. Jones will begin to produce by next season.
I don't mean to call people out, but I think but the selective memory on this guy is getting out of hand. Most people at the time felt that Williams was hugely talented, and in a great situation to produce big numbers. He didn't. It happens. It's not a perfect science.
 
Don't let the door hit you in the ***, Williams!By far...BY FAR...the worst draft pick by Millen. All that LB talent on the table...all that OL talent available...2 WR in the previous 2 years...and he takes Mike (blanking) Williams. A player that had a recorded foundness for fast food, dogging it, being inmature and had been out of football for a year. Thinking about this really upsets me. I gotta go kick my neighbor's cat.
Please don't take it out on your neighbor's cat. He or she had nothing to do with it.If you must kick something, go kick that imbecile Matt Millen.
 
Makes you wonder how so many people can get it wrong.
I still don't think people were wrong about his talent but his attitude is just horrible and IMO that's what it's been since his first camp. The coach needed to "set him straight" his rookie year, that wasn't done and he still continues with his horrible attitude. Parcells making Meshawn run sooooo much and block so much that he whined about bruises on his forearms comes to mind. He'd bark at Meshawn that he's not playing til he learns to block NFL players etc. Strip him down, build him back up.Not sure what can be done with Williams now. Several reports last year were that his attitude and work ethic were improving and that he earned his way onto the field some the last 4 or 5 games or so of the season. It seemed he finally turned a corner and put forth the right effort. I would like to know what he's done til now. If he "gets it" now then I'm cool with him wanting a chance to play, if not then he needs to stay in Marinelli's school of hard knocks IMO. AGAIN if he gets it-At some point years later, I guess 1st round picks are somewhat expected to complain if they don't play in today's NFL world yet. Not sure if I'm OK with the complaining but after years, it's not very surprising if they complain then. Whine every week and/or right away bugs me but after a few years....not sure how I feel.
 
Mike Willams is stupid and lazy. He just doesn't have the talent. He'll put in effort for 2 - 3 weeks tops and then start bellyaching that he is not playing. Every once in a while he'll make a play and think that it justifies him to be a starter.

Potential - Work Ethic - Self Control + Excuses = ENIGMA

 
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Whether he was the supposed talent the "experts" said & whether or not Kiper was gushing about him I remember the suprise by all of them when the Lions pick was announced. It wasn't the right move for the franchise at that time.
:yes: as a Lions fan, I remember watching that draft as the pick approached, I was getting :excited: thinking "yeah! here comes Derrick Johnson!!!"... then as they selected Mike Williams :mellow: I was in the camp that said MW will be a good possession WR, so I wasn't terribly disapointed, but it was the wrong pick even at the time.
 
Mike Willams is stupid and lazy. He just doesn't have the talent. He'll put in effort for 2 - 3 weeks tops and then start bellyaching that he is not playing. Every once in a while he'll make a play and think that it justifies him to be a starter.

Potential - Work Ethic - Self Control + Excuses = ENIGMA
First Big Mike Williams, then Lendale, next flop based on the above...Jarrett
 
Mike Willams is stupid and lazy. He just doesn't have the talent. He'll put in effort for 2 - 3 weeks tops and then start bellyaching that he is not playing. Every once in a while he'll make a play and think that it justifies him to be a starter.

Potential - Work Ethic - Self Control + Excuses = ENIGMA
First Big Mike Williams, then Lendale, next flop based on the above...Jarrett
Darn, beat me too it.
 
Mike Willams is stupid and lazy. He just doesn't have the talent. He'll put in effort for 2 - 3 weeks tops and then start bellyaching that he is not playing. Every once in a while he'll make a play and think that it justifies him to be a starter.

Potential - Work Ethic - Self Control + Excuses = ENIGMA
First Big Mike Williams, then Lendale, next flop based on the above...Jarrett
Darn, beat me too it.
University ofSpoiled

Children?

 
Mike Willams is stupid and lazy. He just doesn't have the talent. He'll put in effort for 2 - 3 weeks tops and then start bellyaching that he is not playing. Every once in a while he'll make a play and think that it justifies him to be a starter.

Potential - Work Ethic - Self Control + Excuses = ENIGMA
First Big Mike Williams, then Lendale, next flop based on the above...Jarrett
Darn, beat me too it.
University ofSpoiled

Children?
:lmao: countdown to LHucks... 3.... 2.... 1...
 
Whether he was the supposed talent the "experts" said & whether or not Kiper was gushing about him I remember the suprise by all of them when the Lions pick was announced. It wasn't the right move for the franchise at that time.
:yes: as a Lions fan, I remember watching that draft as the pick approached, I was getting :excited: thinking "yeah! here comes Derrick Johnson!!!"... then as they selected Mike Williams :mellow: I was in the camp that said MW will be a good possession WR, so I wasn't terribly disapointed, but it was the wrong pick even at the time.
That's EXACTLY what I thought...
 
Sounds like a perfect match to me.How long does it take Mike Williams to create seperation and get open?How long can the raider OL protect a QB?
:lmao: if a tree falls in the woods and no one is around to hear it,how long does it take Mike Williams to create separation...seriously, some team should give him a shot at playing TE, seems like he's a perfect fit for that position..
 
Don't let the door hit you in the ***, Williams!

By far...BY FAR...the worst draft pick by Millen. All that LB talent on the table...all that OL talent available...2 WR in the previous 2 years...and he takes Mike (blanking) Williams. A player that had a recorded foundness for fast food, dogging it, being inmature and had been out of football for a year.

Thinking about this really upsets me. I gotta go kick my neighbor's cat.
Turned out to be a huge choke, but many experts felt he was a top 5 talent in the draft. IIRC Mel Kipper was gushing about Williams.
The kid has/had a VERY large frame and was/is nowhere near done growing. He also liked/likes to eat and eat badly. Lastly, his work ethic was/is not the best. A team's sports science department can attempt to determine how much more growth a player should have and what his frame/weight could look like within a few years. I do not claim to be as knowledgeable about players as draft experts but...but... There were enough Buyer Beware tags on Williams that someone...ANYONE...within the Lions franchise with any common sense should have known better.

Whether he was the supposed talent the "experts" said & whether or not Kiper was gushing about him I remember the suprise by all of them when the Lions pick was announced. It wasn't the right move for the franchise at that time.

Bingo.
And yet, according to this thread you felt highly enough about Williams, with all his obvious well-documented red flags, to take him at 1.07 of your rookie draft. And even after the draft, this is what you had to say about Williams:
1.07 turned into Mike Williams. The guy is a physical specimen and it might take a while for him to knock off the rust. He is a beast and is going to create all kinds of problems for defenders.
Williams was drafted Top 10 and it is WAY too early to write that kid off.
My expectations of all the rookie WR are also realistic. I do not expect any of them to follow in the footsteps of Moss, Boldin or Clayton. Hey, if someone does, that is ok but each of their situations indicate that will probably not be the case. However, Edwards, M. Williams and B. Jones will begin to produce by next season.
I don't mean to call people out, but I think but the selective memory on this guy is getting out of hand. Most people at the time felt that Williams was hugely talented, and in a great situation to produce big numbers. He didn't. It happens. It's not a perfect science.
Wow! I have a fun club. I did not think I posted enough to get noticed. My feelings towards Williams as a FF player and my feelings about my favorite team, Lions, taking him are/ were very different and they have been since he was drafted. The Lions needed a LB or OL with that pick not a WR; they passed on a (blank) load of talent at each of those positions and took a kid with documented problems. This on the tail end of not one but two...two...other first round WR picks. Those picks set this franchise back a good 10 years if not more. That's why I am upset.

Him not panning out for my FF team not so much and you are right it is not a perfect science.

 
Whether he was the supposed talent the "experts" said & whether or not Kiper was gushing about him I remember the suprise by all of them when the Lions pick was announced. It wasn't the right move for the franchise at that time.
:yes: as a Lions fan, I remember watching that draft as the pick approached, I was getting :excited: thinking "yeah! here comes Derrick Johnson!!!"... then as they selected Mike Williams :mellow: I was in the camp that said MW will be a good possession WR, so I wasn't terribly disapointed, but it was the wrong pick even at the time.
That's EXACTLY what I thought...
Exactly.
 
Whether he was the supposed talent the "experts" said & whether or not Kiper was gushing about him I remember the suprise by all of them when the Lions pick was announced. It wasn't the right move for the franchise at that time.
Given that both Rogers and Roy Wms were having problems staying healthy and Rogers was already proving a POS and quickly showing himself the door anyway, it was much worse in hindsight than at the time. Plus they hadn't given up on Harrington yet and were hoping to piece together a top-flight offense that way, which both makes the team better and fills the stands.
 
Mike Willams is stupid and lazy. He just doesn't have the talent. He'll put in effort for 2 - 3 weeks tops and then start bellyaching that he is not playing. Every once in a while he'll make a play and think that it justifies him to be a starter.

Potential - Work Ethic - Self Control + Excuses = ENIGMA
First Big Mike Williams, then Lendale, next flop based on the above...Jarrett
Darn, beat me too it.
University ofSpoiled

Children?
:confused: USC WR's are starting to remind me of Penn St. RB's. They are getting the reputation of being flops. Who was the last great USC WR? Meshawn? Lynn Swann? Lots of duds in between. Penn St. RB's earned thier rep also, LJ finally broke the string but before that who do you have to back to Franco Harris? Jarrett has more than BMW to overcome.As for Kiper, he was leading the Mike Williams bandwagon. He had him as the top player in the draft that year and he had been out of football for a year. How do you put anyone at the top when they haven't played in a year. I quit listening to Mr. Hair after that. (I also got burned picking BMW at 1.07 in a rookie draft.)

 
Penn St. RB's earned thier rep also,
How, by getting injured? Most of the busts "busted" because of that, at least in part.
LJ finally broke the string but before that who do you have to back to Franco Harris?
Lydell Mitchell, Matt Suhey, and Curt Warner come to mind. And Dozier could've done a lot more if not for the Herschel Walker fiasco (then opting for baseball).Anyway, poor Moss - must be awfully pouty now eh :cool:
 
I hope it's a non-topic.

Supposedly Williams left because he wants to play for the Raiders. He's under contract with the Lions.

If Williams left camp because he believes the Raiders are interested in him. How did he come to this conclusion?

Wonder if the Raiders could be eventually fined by the league if it comes out they had contact with a player without consent from the player's current club. Williams would have needed the Lions to allow him to seek trade opportunities.

It may have happened, I'm just not aware of it.

I would think Oakland would stay far away from this building scenario.

 
Mike Willams is stupid and lazy. He just doesn't have the talent. He'll put in effort for 2 - 3 weeks tops and then start bellyaching that he is not playing. Every once in a while he'll make a play and think that it justifies him to be a starter.

Potential - Work Ethic - Self Control + Excuses = ENIGMA
Mike Williams has/had talent he just doesnt have the work ethic. His talent allowed him to dominate at the collegiate level without trying but when he got to the NFL his talent alone couldnt save him. He needed work ethic to continue to strengthen his body and learn film. He apparently had the work ethic of a 10 year old with ADHD and he flopped. The only wide reciever in the past 25 years that had enough talent to survive without work ethic is Randy Moss.
 
I hope it's a non-topic.Supposedly Williams left because he wants to play for the Raiders. He's under contract with the Lions.If Williams left camp because he believes the Raiders are interested in him. How did he come to this conclusion?Wonder if the Raiders could be eventually fined by the league if it comes out they had contact with a player without consent from the player's current club. Williams would have needed the Lions to allow him to seek trade opportunities.It may have happened, I'm just not aware of it.I would think Oakland would stay far away from this building scenario.
Proving tampering is impossible. And if the Raiders are gonna tamper, it better not be to acquire BMW. BMW played for Kiffin, and wants out. It seems like a possible landing spot, not to mention the Raiders history of givng failed 1st rounders a shot.Hey, he can have Alvis Whitted's roster spot, and if he agrees to pilot the team plane, he can even come on road trips.
 
I am sure Detroit is just going to let this guy walk :rolleyes: Slack, be lazy, and Detroit will grant you your wish and just cut you. That's a good message for the organization to send. :rolleyes:

 
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I am sure Detroit is just going to let this guy walk :rolleyes: Slack, be lazy, and Detroit will grant you your wish and just cut you. That's a good message for the organization to send. :rolleyes:
Yep, they didn't show that with Charles Rogers. Much better to keep a loser on your team.
 
http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/NFLDr...wwhi040507+.htm

What could also help the Buccaneers' cause is the recent decision by Lions WR Mike Williams,
Wht do the Bucs have to do with this?
TBB is thinking that if BMW does end up with the Raiders there's a better chance they don't draft Calvin Johnson.
ahh, thanksBTW they have enough talent at WR IMO they should draft elsewhere and/or trade down. Stovall and Clayton are very talented. Warren and Brackins...they've even had some 5th 6th WRs I liked too. maybe it's time they re-evaluate their WR coach and not just draft another. Something stinks there.

 
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http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/NFLDr...wwhi040507+.htm

What could also help the Buccaneers' cause is the recent decision by Lions WR Mike Williams,
Wht do the Bucs have to do with this?
TBB is thinking that if BMW does end up with the Raiders there's a better chance they don't draft Calvin Johnson.
That's a crazy thing for PFW to speculate.That's like saying the recent signing of Josh Booty signifies that Calvin is the pick.

The Raiders may take Russell, but freakin' BMW won't factor in the equation.

 
http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/NFLDr...wwhi040507+.htm

What could also help the Buccaneers' cause is the recent decision by Lions WR Mike Williams,
Wht do the Bucs have to do with this?
TBB is thinking that if BMW does end up with the Raiders there's a better chance they don't draft Calvin Johnson.
That's a crazy thing for PFW to speculate.That's like saying the recent signing of Josh Booty signifies that Calvin is the pick.

The Raiders may take Russell, but freakin' BMW won't factor in the equation.
I saw a recent interview where a reporter was talking about a Randy Mueller interview. He asks Qs about Ricky and Randy says how you can't count on someone not on the team then the interviewee asked him what about Ricky has made you feel like he should be relied upon and Randy said "that's a good question"....hehI suppose Mike Williams is in that same boat

 
bigreese82 said:
Sounds like a perfect match to me.How long does it take Mike Williams to create seperation and get open?How long can the raider OL protect a QB?
At his Pro Day...what was his 40 time, 3cone, and shuttle times....just curious if any numbers were suspect
its in a dwayne jarrett thread go look
 
Makes you wonder how so many people can get it wrong.
cant help but think of calvin johnson :mellow:
I was under the impression Johnson was a good character guy. Which, if true, would put him in a completely different category than Williams.
bmw was considered a bad character?
if he was, then it wasn't widely reported . . .of course, before the draft, everyone (including most analysts) has rose colored glasses . . .I went and looked through my publications and tried to find a hint of trouble on BMW . . . I didn't find much . . .I tried to find a lot on Pac- Man . . . didnt find much dirt on him . . .of course, most of these guys are "front runners" as long as you're winning and you're the king (at that university) then everything's rosy . . . once you start losing and the competition stiffens and you're just another rookie, then your true character shows . . .
 
Don't let the door hit you in the ***, Williams!

By far...BY FAR...the worst draft pick by Millen. All that LB talent on the table...all that OL talent available...2 WR in the previous 2 years...and he takes Mike (blanking) Williams. A player that had a recorded foundness for fast food, dogging it, being inmature and had been out of football for a year.

Thinking about this really upsets me. I gotta go kick my neighbor's cat.
Turned out to be a huge choke, but many experts felt he was a top 5 talent in the draft. IIRC Mel Kipper was gushing about Williams.
The kid has/had a VERY large frame and was/is nowhere near done growing. He also liked/likes to eat and eat badly. Lastly, his work ethic was/is not the best. A team's sports science department can attempt to determine how much more growth a player should have and what his frame/weight could look like within a few years. I do not claim to be as knowledgeable about players as draft experts but...but... There were enough Buyer Beware tags on Williams that someone...ANYONE...within the Lions franchise with any common sense should have known better.

Whether he was the supposed talent the "experts" said & whether or not Kiper was gushing about him I remember the suprise by all of them when the Lions pick was announced. It wasn't the right move for the franchise at that time.

Bingo.
And yet, according to this thread you felt highly enough about Williams, with all his obvious well-documented red flags, to take him at 1.07 of your rookie draft. And even after the draft, this is what you had to say about Williams:
1.07 turned into Mike Williams. The guy is a physical specimen and it might take a while for him to knock off the rust. He is a beast and is going to create all kinds of problems for defenders.
Williams was drafted Top 10 and it is WAY too early to write that kid off.
My expectations of all the rookie WR are also realistic. I do not expect any of them to follow in the footsteps of Moss, Boldin or Clayton. Hey, if someone does, that is ok but each of their situations indicate that will probably not be the case. However, Edwards, M. Williams and B. Jones will begin to produce by next season.
I don't mean to call people out, but I think but the selective memory on this guy is getting out of hand. Most people at the time felt that Williams was hugely talented, and in a great situation to produce big numbers. He didn't. It happens. It's not a perfect science.
:own3d:
 

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