Mike Williams leaves Detroit.... (1 Viewer)

[phthalatemagic]

pre-nfl draft that only thing I think I remember is that he was supposed to work out with Chris Carter, but for some reason it never happened. Does anyone else remember that happening?

 

[cstu]

Makes you wonder how so many people can get it wrong.

cant help but think of calvin johnson

I was under the impression Johnson was a good character guy. Which, if true, would put him in a completely different category than Williams.

bmw was considered a bad character?

if he was, then it wasn't widely reported . . .of course, before the draft, everyone (including most analysts) has rose colored glasses . . .

I went and looked through my publications and tried to find a hint of trouble on BMW . . . I didn't find much . . .

I tried to find a lot on Pac- Man . . . didnt find much dirt on him . . .

of course, most of these guys are "front runners" as long as you're winning and you're the king (at that university) then everything's rosy . . . once you start losing and the competition stiffens and you're just another rookie, then your true character shows . . .

There's wasn't a lot on him, but he was arrested and put on probation for hitting someone with a cue stick during a fight in college. He also had problems with his parents and IIRC lived with his grandma. None of that seemed to be much of a problem at the time.

 

[Irish]

Makes you wonder how so many people can get it wrong.

cant help but think of calvin johnson

I was under the impression Johnson was a good character guy. Which, if true, would put him in a completely different category than Williams.

Johnson's speed and leaping ability also puts him in a different category than Williams.

 

[crnerblitz]

I hope it's a non-topic.Supposedly Williams left because he wants to play for the Raiders. He's under contract with the Lions.If Williams left camp because he believes the Raiders are interested in him. How did he come to this conclusion?Wonder if the Raiders could be eventually fined by the league if it comes out they had contact with a player without consent from the player's current club. Williams would have needed the Lions to allow him to seek trade opportunities.It may have happened, I'm just not aware of it.I would think Oakland would stay far away from this building scenario.

Proving tampering is impossible. And if the Raiders are gonna tamper, it better not be to acquire BMW. BMW played for Kiffin, and wants out. It seems like a possible landing spot, not to mention the Raiders history of givng failed 1st rounders a shot.Hey, he can have Alvis Whitted's roster spot, and if he agrees to pilot the team plane, he can even come on road trips.

I spewed coffee!

 

[CalBear]

USC WR's are starting to remind me of Penn St. RB's. They are getting the reputation of being flops. Who was the last great USC WR? Meshawn? Lynn Swann? Lots of duds in between. Penn St. RB's earned thier rep also, LJ finally broke the string but before that who do you have to back to Franco Harris?

It's completely ridiculous to discount a player at a position just because players at the same position from the same school didn't work out. I would have thought that Larry Johnson kind of emphatically made that point to fantasy football players by now.In addition to Meshawn, there was Johnny Morton (just cracked the all-time top 50 in receiving yards) and Curtis Conway (had a solid career, but with many injuries). R. Jay Soward is the only other USC WR who was highly rated coming out of college and wound up busting.

 

[Christo]

Makes you wonder how so many people can get it wrong.

cant help but think of calvin johnson

I was under the impression Johnson was a good character guy. Which, if true, would put him in a completely different category than Williams.

bmw was considered a bad character?

if he was, then it wasn't widely reported . . .of course, before the draft, everyone (including most analysts) has rose colored glasses . . .I went and looked through my publications and tried to find a hint of trouble on BMW . . . I didn't find much . . .I tried to find a lot on Pac- Man . . . didnt find much dirt on him . . .of course, most of these guys are "front runners" as long as you're winning and you're the king (at that university) then everything's rosy . . . once you start losing and the competition stiffens and you're just another rookie, then your true character shows . . .

Not necessarily a "bad" character - didn't mean to imply he was a Pac-Man - just that everyone is reporting that Johnson is essentially above reproach in that department. No one was saying the same thing about BMW. Weren't there reports of BMW's immaturity? Also talk about him relying on talent to get by and not working hard - seems to be exactly what happened when he arrived in Detroit. And then there was the screw-up when he declared for the draft without the Clarett decision being final.

 

[jurb26]

Makes you wonder how so many people can get it wrong.

cant help but think of calvin johnson

I was under the impression Johnson was a good character guy. Which, if true, would put him in a completely different category than Williams.

Johnson's speed and leaping ability also puts him in a different category than Williams.

Williams was known to have separation problems at the next level due to inefficiencies in speed, quickness and agility. They were cast aside because he was largely productive in college and had a big frame to overpower DBs.... or so we were told. Rumors flew of him being a TE prospect rather than a WR. I don’t really see how any of these flags relate to Johnson who has all of the above in bundles. Moreover, Johnson is said to be both humble and a great worker. Quite frankly I don’t really recall Williams ever being a “can’t miss” prospect like Johnson. At any rate, every prospect can bust and Johnson is no exception to that possibility. I just don’t get the same feeling or interpretation of Johnson vs. Williams at all.

 

[TheBradyBunch]

It's completely ridiculous to discount a player at a position just because players at the same position from the same school didn't work out.

...you mean like Cal quarterbacks?

 

[Donnybrook]

By taking Plummer off the market, Tampa Bay could potentially force the Raiders to address their need at quarterback via the draft, essentially pushing Johnson down a slot. Detroit GM Matt Millen, a former Raider himself who is uniquely slotted between the two adversaries, might turn out to be the biggest winner of the high-stakes game of poker being played. Millen, who continues to have ongoing dialogue with Allen, could gain more leverage if Johnson is available at No. 2 and could choose not to deal McCown until after the Raiders make their first selection in order to force the Raiders' hand. He may even have received that free advice, courtesy of Allen.

So why is Millen talking trade now?

Raiders | Talking trade with Detroit about McCown?

Sun, 8 Apr 2007 11:11:10 -0700

The Detroit Free Press, citing John Clayton, of ESPN, reports the Oakland Raiders are in trade negotiations with the Detroit Lions about acquiring QB Josh McCown.

 

[dpee]

Don't let the door hit you in the ***, Williams! A player that had a recorded foundness for fast food,.

not the worst thing, Chad Johnson starts out his day everymorning with mcdonalds breakfast. dont see too many ill effects

 

[-OZ-]

Raiders | Talking trade with Detroit about McCown?Sun, 8 Apr 2007 11:11:10 -0700The Detroit Free Press, citing John Clayton, of ESPN, reports the Oakland Raiders are in trade negotiations with the Detroit Lions about acquiring QB Josh McCown.

McCown for Randy Moss. Book it.

 

[Donnybrook]

Raiders | Talking trade with Detroit about McCown?Sun, 8 Apr 2007 11:11:10 -0700The Detroit Free Press, citing John Clayton, of ESPN, reports the Oakland Raiders are in trade negotiations with the Detroit Lions about acquiring QB Josh McCown.

McCown for Randy Moss. Book it.

CJ to the Raiders is really going to screw up my mock. (Not like it wasn't already screwed up.)

 

[WhoDat]

Don't let the door hit you in the ***, Williams! A player that had a recorded foundness for fast food,.

not the worst thing, Chad Johnson starts out his day everymorning with mcdonalds breakfast. dont see too many ill effects

Given the difference in their body composition, there is a HUGE difference. Throw in the work ethic and the problem is compounded.

 

[QUEZILLA]

FWIW, another rumor off of PR message boards.

http://bbs.pewterreport.com/index.php?topic=8239.0

Spoke with a coaching friend of mine today in Phoenix...he coaches LB's under Ryan in Oakland....he told me we should forget about CJ because the NATION is going to take him with the 1st pick and QB Trent Edwards out of Stanford with their 2nd round pick...

Let's swap with the Cardinals so they can have the 4th pick (JT) and we get the 5th (Adams) as well as they give us their higher 2nd for our lower 2nd...

post #2 (same thread)

You guys are brutal but funny....I am a diehard Bucs fan out here in the desert but originally from Brandon....my coaching friend (George Martinez) and I discussed this at his wedding yesterday....I argued and pleaded for them not to take CJ but he said Kiffin and Davis are on the same page....correct...the draft can't get here any sooner...

Guy who posted is new, and has no board cred.

 

[azgroover]

Raiders | Talking trade with Detroit about McCown?Sun, 8 Apr 2007 11:11:10 -0700The Detroit Free Press, citing John Clayton, of ESPN, reports the Oakland Raiders are in trade negotiations with the Detroit Lions about acquiring QB Josh McCown.

McCown for Randy Moss. Book it.

That would be hilarious considering how Marinelli is so against having talented players with "character concerns".

 

[hutchins929]

I thought he was going to be a great one I'm hoping he can rally just to stay on an NFL roster!

^USC FAN^

 

[Desert_Power]

Mike Willams is stupid and lazy. He just doesn't have the talent. He'll put in effort for 2 - 3 weeks tops and then start bellyaching that he is not playing. Every once in a while he'll make a play and think that it justifies him to be a starter.

Potential - Work Ethic - Self Control + Excuses = ENIGMA

First Big Mike Williams, then Lendale, next flop based on the above...Jarrett

 

[kensat30]

BMW trying to enter the NFL a year early ala Clarett should have been warning enough for anyone. A guy that tries to take the easy way out once, will try to take the easy way out for the rest of his life.

Personally, I thought Mike Williams was a top5 talent, but it just goes to show you that character is that much more important than talent when talking about NFL success. If you don't work hard, you are just not going to produce in today's NFL no matter how good you are.

 

[CalBear]

BMW trying to enter the NFL a year early ala Clarett should have been warning enough for anyone. A guy that tries to take the easy way out once, will try to take the easy way out for the rest of his life.

Yeah, just like those hoodlums Kevin Garnett and Lebron James.

 

[Bri]

BMW trying to enter the NFL a year early ala Clarett should have been warning enough for anyone. A guy that tries to take the easy way out once, will try to take the easy way out for the rest of his life.

Yeah, just like those hoodlums Kevin Garnett and Lebron James.

yeah, I don't remember the whole story but IIRC Clarett's barking brought Williams into that mess. Either a new rule was put in place or many didn't realize Williams wouldn't qualify or something along those lines. I don't feel bad for him or anything I'm just sayin' I don't think that was on him at all.

 

[onionsack]

Don't let the door hit you in the ***, Williams!

By far...BY FAR...the worst draft pick by Millen. All that LB talent on the table...all that OL talent available...2 WR in the previous 2 years...and he takes Mike (blanking) Williams. A player that had a recorded foundness for fast food, dogging it, being inmature and had been out of football for a year.

Thinking about this really upsets me. I gotta go kick my neighbor's cat.

Turned out to be a huge choke, but many experts felt he was a top 5 talent in the draft. IIRC Mel Kipper was gushing about Williams.

The kid has/had a VERY large frame and was/is nowhere near done growing. He also liked/likes to eat and eat badly. Lastly, his work ethic was/is not the best. A team's sports science department can attempt to determine how much more growth a player should have and what his frame/weight could look like within a few years. I do not claim to be as knowledgeable about players as draft experts but...but... There were enough Buyer Beware tags on Williams that someone...ANYONE...within the Lions franchise with any common sense should have known better.

Whether he was the supposed talent the "experts" said & whether or not Kiper was gushing about him I remember the suprise by all of them when the Lions pick was announced. It wasn't the right move for the franchise at that time.

Bingo.

And yet, according to this thread you felt highly enough about Williams, with all his obvious well-documented red flags, to take him at 1.07 of your rookie draft. And even after the draft, this is what you had to say about Williams:

1.07 turned into Mike Williams. The guy is a physical specimen and it might take a while for him to knock off the rust. He is a beast and is going to create all kinds of problems for defenders.

Williams was drafted Top 10 and it is WAY too early to write that kid off.

My expectations of all the rookie WR are also realistic. I do not expect any of them to follow in the footsteps of Moss, Boldin or Clayton. Hey, if someone does, that is ok but each of their situations indicate that will probably not be the case. However, Edwards, M. Williams and B. Jones will begin to produce by next season.

I don't mean to call people out, but I think but the selective memory on this guy is getting out of hand. Most people at the time felt that Williams was hugely talented, and in a great situation to produce big numbers. He didn't. It happens. It's not a perfect science.

Wow! I have a fun club. I did not think I posted enough to get noticed. My feelings towards Williams as a FF player and my feelings about my favorite team, Lions, taking him are/ were very different and they have been since he was drafted. The Lions needed a LB or OL with that pick not a WR; they passed on a (blank) load of talent at each of those positions and took a kid with documented problems. This on the tail end of not one but two...two...other first round WR picks. Those picks set this franchise back a good 10 years if not more. That's why I am upset.

Him not panning out for my FF team not so much and you are right it is not a perfect science.

Sorry if that came off as :i:stalking, I only noticed your old remarks because I'd gone back to revisit that "seasonal diary" thread from 2005 to see what had become of that team you inherited and your comments were fresh in my mind. Very sorry to hear that Hurricane Katrina forced you to abandon that team, as the thread you initiated was very informative. The seasonal diary thread initially caught my attention way back when since I, too, had drafted BMW at the same point in a Zealots league, and I was curious to see how that would pan out for your team as well as mine. I'm disappointed the pick didn't work out, although at the time the fact that Detroit had picked him despite obvious other needs made me even more confidant that he must be a surefire stud. After all, the powers-that-be in the Lions organization who ultimately made the call had a lot more riding on the pick than I had. As it turns out, they whiffed on the pick. We did, too. It happens.

 

[Christo]

BMW trying to enter the NFL a year early ala Clarett should have been warning enough for anyone. A guy that tries to take the easy way out once, will try to take the easy way out for the rest of his life.

Yeah, just like those hoodlums Kevin Garnett and Lebron James.

yeah, I don't remember the whole story but IIRC Clarett's barking brought Williams into that mess. Either a new rule was put in place or many didn't realize Williams wouldn't qualify or something along those lines. I don't feel bad for him or anything I'm just sayin' I don't think that was on him at all.

It was on his representatives. Clarett won at the district court level but the NFL appealed the decision. Before the appellate court overturned the decision, BMW declared for the draft because of the NFL deadline. After it the decision was overturned, he tried to get reinstated on USC's team but the NCAA denied his petition. His reps had $$$ in their eyes rather than having his best interests at heart.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Makes you wonder how so many people can get it wrong.

cant help but think of calvin johnson

I was under the impression Johnson was a good character guy. Which, if true, would put him in a completely different category than Williams.

Also, Johnson runs much faster than a turtle on quaaludes.

 

[massraider]

Personally, I thought Mike Williams was a top5 talent, but it just goes to show you that character is that much more important than talent when talking about NFL success.

It might also show that you personally were wrong about his talent level.

 

[CalBear]

It was on his representatives. Clarett won at the district court level but the NFL appealed the decision. Before the appellate court overturned the decision, BMW declared for the draft because of the NFL deadline. After it the decision was overturned, he tried to get reinstated on USC's team but the NCAA denied his petition. His reps had $$$ in their eyes rather than having his best interests at heart.

It was in Mike Williams' best interest to get drafted at that point; another year at USC wouldn't have improved his stock at all, and could easily have hurt it.

 

[Two Deep]

I compared him to J.J Stokes when he entered the NFL, now I bet he wishes his career will be at least as productve as Stokes. BMW= Big Money Wasted.

 

[perry147]

Personally, I thought Mike Williams was a top5 talent, but it just goes to show you that character is that much more important than talent when talking about NFL success.

It might also show that you personally were wrong about his talent level.

Massraider - A lot of NFL experts were wrong on Mike Williams. He had all the skills but no heart or desire.

 

[cowpie]

OK, how does this sound

LIONS TRADE #2 overall pick, Mike Williams and McCown for

Raiders #1 overal pick and like a 7th rounder next year or something.

Lions take Johnson in the draft with the first overall pick.

 

[CalBear]

OK, how does this soundLIONS TRADE #2 overall pick, Mike Williams and McCown for Raiders #1 overal pick and like a 7th rounder next year or something. Lions take Johnson in the draft with the first overall pick.

I wouldn't bet on it, but it's a lot more plausible than some of the other only-in-Madden trade scenarios that have been bandied about.

 

[TheBradyBunch]

Personally, I thought Mike Williams was a top5 talent, but it just goes to show you that character is that much more important than talent when talking about NFL success.

It might also show that you personally were wrong about his talent level.

Massraider - A lot of NFL experts were wrong on Mike Williams. He had all the skills but no heart or desire.

Williams has never had "all the skills". He consistently ran a 4.6 forty before being drafted. Most people, myself included, decided to overlook that fact because of his college success and his abililty to score TD's. In the end, being slow and having a bad attitude are a bad combination for those that hope to make a living playing football. I still think it's too early to stick a fork in the kid, though!

 

[prymetyme25]

Wow I didn't know his Career was over yet. Honestly I think he was drafted by the wrong team, wrong situation, wrong coach and on a team with another guy who turned out to be a POS.(rogers)

I think him and Rogers were made examples of and once you are put in that position its too hard too overcome. He was a marked man as soon as the new coaching team came in. Now to be honest I dont know alot about him but he's been made out to be worthless by DET. But one should ask the question if Det hates him that much or thinks he cant help that team at all, then why is he there? Why not trade him? Why not cut him and give that spot to someone who can help you? Questions like this make me wonder if its all Mike? All Det? or Both? if Both who's more at fault?

On another note I dont think that anyone on this board thinks that if you put him on the field he cant make plays. Honestly? Its not like he drops passes right? I think this guy has taken alot of punishment in Detroit and I think its time for both parties to admit they made a mistake and move on.

JMHO

 

[massraider]

Personally, I thought Mike Williams was a top5 talent, but it just goes to show you that character is that much more important than talent when talking about NFL success.

It might also show that you personally were wrong about his talent level.

Massraider - A lot of NFL experts were wrong on Mike Williams. He had all the skills but no heart or desire.

And there were a lot of casual fans that thought he was too much of a tweener to make it as a WR. That he was just too slow. And I am sure those fans are thinking they were correct in their assessment, rather than thinking they were wrong, and Williams' character got in the way.

 

[FavreCo]

Wow I didn't know his Career was over yet. Honestly I think he was drafted by the wrong team, wrong situation, wrong coach and on a team with another guy who turned out to be a POS.(rogers) I think him and Rogers were made examples of and once you are put in that position its too hard too overcome. He was a marked man as soon as the new coaching team came in. Now to be honest I dont know alot about him but he's been made out to be worthless by DET. But one should ask the question if Det hates him that much or thinks he cant help that team at all, then why is he there? Why not trade him? Why not cut him and give that spot to someone who can help you? Questions like this make me wonder if its all Mike? All Det? or Both? if Both who's more at fault?On another note I dont think that anyone on this board thinks that if you put him on the field he cant make plays. Honestly? Its not like he drops passes right? I think this guy has taken alot of punishment in Detroit and I think its time for both parties to admit they made a mistake and move on.JMHO

As soon as Detroit calls you on the phone draft day, your career is in jeopardy. Best thing to do is not answer when it's their pick. Especially if you are a WR. The Lions have no idea what he can do on the field because this is the type of WR they crave:Josh McCown as a WR vs ARI: McCown lines up in the slot. Looks over at the QB, looks over at the outside WR. While looking over there, the ball is snapped. He stands frozen in position as the WR takes off. He wonders to himself, 'Why is that guy running before the ball is snapped?' He looks back at the QB...'why is the QB dropping back to pass?...oh ****, the play is running without me.'That is what I call superior coaching that leads to a 3-13 season and a top 5 draft pick. BMW has a motivation issue and that's it. The rest is horrid coaching and a horrid FO.

 

[Christo]

It was on his representatives. Clarett won at the district court level but the NFL appealed the decision. Before the appellate court overturned the decision, BMW declared for the draft because of the NFL deadline. After it the decision was overturned, he tried to get reinstated on USC's team but the NCAA denied his petition. His reps had $$$ in their eyes rather than having his best interests at heart.

It was in Mike Williams' best interest to get drafted at that point; another year at USC wouldn't have improved his stock at all, and could easily have hurt it.

Really? Did he get drafted?You can't just look at it in a vacuum. You have to assess it in light of the fact that the district court decision wasn't final and there was no guaranty that the appellate court would affirm the decision. And IIRC, many people were saying that the district court's decision was not legally sound and that it was almost certain that it would be overturned.

 

[hutchins929]

Wow I didn't know his Career was over yet. Honestly I think he was drafted by the wrong team, wrong situation, wrong coach and on a team with another guy who turned out to be a POS.(rogers)

I think him and Rogers were made examples of and once you are put in that position its too hard too overcome. He was a marked man as soon as the new coaching team came in. Now to be honest I dont know alot about him but he's been made out to be worthless by DET. But one should ask the question if Det hates him that much or thinks he cant help that team at all, then why is he there? Why not trade him? Why not cut him and give that spot to someone who can help you? Questions like this make me wonder if its all Mike? All Det? or Both? if Both who's more at fault?

On another note I dont think that anyone on this board thinks that if you put him on the field he cant make plays. Honestly? Its not like he drops passes right? I think this guy has taken alot of punishment in Detroit and I think its time for both parties to admit they made a mistake and move on.

JMHO

As soon as Detroit calls you on the phone draft day, your career is in jeopardy. Best thing to do is not answer when it's their pick. Especially if you are a WR. The Lions have no idea what he can do on the field because this is the type of WR they crave:Josh McCown as a WR vs ARI:

McCown lines up in the slot. Looks over at the QB, looks over at the outside WR. While looking over there, the ball is snapped. He stands frozen in position as the WR takes off. He wonders to himself, 'Why is that guy running before the ball is snapped?' He looks back at the QB...'why is the QB dropping back to pass?...oh ****, the play is running without me.'

That is what I call superior coaching that leads to a 3-13 season and a top 5 draft pick. BMW has a motivation issue and that's it. The rest is horrid coaching and a horrid FO.

13.5 million dollars isn't enough motivation?

 

[CalBear]

It was on his representatives. Clarett won at the district court level but the NFL appealed the decision. Before the appellate court overturned the decision, BMW declared for the draft because of the NFL deadline. After it the decision was overturned, he tried to get reinstated on USC's team but the NCAA denied his petition. His reps had $$$ in their eyes rather than having his best interests at heart.

It was in Mike Williams' best interest to get drafted at that point; another year at USC wouldn't have improved his stock at all, and could easily have hurt it.

Really? Did he get drafted?You can't just look at it in a vacuum. You have to assess it in light of the fact that the district court decision wasn't final and there was no guaranty that the appellate court would affirm the decision. And IIRC, many people were saying that the district court's decision was not legally sound and that it was almost certain that it would be overturned.

Yes, he got drafted with the #10 overall pick and got a huge contract. Do you really think it's likely he would have done better than that if he'd stayed at USC another year?

 

[FavreCo]

13.5 million dollars isn't enough motivation?

That was the problem. The $ removed any motivation. The ##### has issues.

 

[jabarony]

Whether he was the supposed talent the "experts" said & whether or not Kiper was gushing about him I remember the suprise by all of them when the Lions pick was announced. It wasn't the right move for the franchise at that time.

as a Lions fan, I remember watching that draft as the pick approached, I was getting thinking "yeah! here comes Derrick Johnson!!!"... then as they selected Mike Williams I was in the camp that said MW will be a good possession WR, so I wasn't terribly disapointed, but it was the wrong pick even at the time.

I had my sights on D. Johnson as well. I'm such an idiot. Why would I think that the Mustache would do something intelligent?

 

[Christo]

It was on his representatives. Clarett won at the district court level but the NFL appealed the decision. Before the appellate court overturned the decision, BMW declared for the draft because of the NFL deadline. After it the decision was overturned, he tried to get reinstated on USC's team but the NCAA denied his petition. His reps had $$$ in their eyes rather than having his best interests at heart.

It was in Mike Williams' best interest to get drafted at that point; another year at USC wouldn't have improved his stock at all, and could easily have hurt it.

Really? Did he get drafted?You can't just look at it in a vacuum. You have to assess it in light of the fact that the district court decision wasn't final and there was no guaranty that the appellate court would affirm the decision. And IIRC, many people were saying that the district court's decision was not legally sound and that it was almost certain that it would be overturned.

Yes, he got drafted with the #10 overall pick and got a huge contract. Do you really think it's likely he would have done better than that if he'd stayed at USC another year?

BMW did not get drafted in 2004. He was drafted in 2005 after having to sit out a year. And I do think it would have been better for him to have been playing at USC that year.

 

[CalBear]

BMW did not get drafted in 2004. He was drafted in 2005 after having to sit out a year. And I do think it would have been better for him to have been playing at USC that year.

Do you think he would have done better than the #10 pick overall if he had played at USC another year? I think, in terms of his career, another year at USC would have just been injury risk and a chance to fall down draft boards.

 

[duaneok66]

Wow I didn't know his Career was over yet. Honestly I think he was drafted by the wrong team, wrong situation, wrong coach and on a team with another guy who turned out to be a POS.(rogers) I think him and Rogers were made examples of and once you are put in that position its too hard too overcome. He was a marked man as soon as the new coaching team came in. Now to be honest I dont know alot about him but he's been made out to be worthless by DET. But one should ask the question if Det hates him that much or thinks he cant help that team at all, then why is he there? Why not trade him? Why not cut him and give that spot to someone who can help you? Questions like this make me wonder if its all Mike? All Det? or Both? if Both who's more at fault?On another note I dont think that anyone on this board thinks that if you put him on the field he cant make plays. Honestly? Its not like he drops passes right? I think this guy has taken alot of punishment in Detroit and I think its time for both parties to admit they made a mistake and move on.JMHO

blame it on the coaches . . . funny stuff . . .where is the personal accountability???

 

[prymetyme25]

Wow I didn't know his Career was over yet. Honestly I think he was drafted by the wrong team, wrong situation, wrong coach and on a team with another guy who turned out to be a POS.(rogers)

I think him and Rogers were made examples of and once you are put in that position its too hard too overcome. He was a marked man as soon as the new coaching team came in. Now to be honest I dont know alot about him but he's been made out to be worthless by DET. But one should ask the question if Det hates him that much or thinks he cant help that team at all, then why is he there? Why not trade him? Why not cut him and give that spot to someone who can help you? Questions like this make me wonder if its all Mike? All Det? or Both? if Both who's more at fault?

On another note I dont think that anyone on this board thinks that if you put him on the field he cant make plays. Honestly? Its not like he drops passes right? I think this guy has taken alot of punishment in Detroit and I think its time for both parties to admit they made a mistake and move on.

JMHO

blame it on the coaches . . . funny stuff . . .where is the personal accountability???

I take you must not read very well.

 

[RussMan]

Big Mac Williams.

Big and slow. He may have gotten away with being lazy in collge becuase of his size and talent but in the pros so far he has been an overweight and lazy WR.

He has been fined heavily for being overweight and when you look at the quality of WR's the Lions have brought in if he had anything going on whatsoever in practice he would have earned more time on the field.

Then you have the folks who say maybe he play TE. Well he wasnt drafted that high to play TE, and frankly he isnt strong enough or tough enough imo to do it. He is what he is... an overweight, lazy WR, who got paid and is hoping for a way out of town.

 

[D-BO]

Whether he was the supposed talent the "experts" said & whether or not Kiper was gushing about him I remember the suprise by all of them when the Lions pick was announced. It wasn't the right move for the franchise at that time.

as a Lions fan, I remember watching that draft as the pick approached, I was getting thinking "yeah! here comes Derrick Johnson!!!"... then as they selected Mike Williams I was in the camp that said MW will be a good possession WR, so I wasn't terribly disapointed, but it was the wrong pick even at the time.

I had my sights on D. Johnson as well. I'm such an idiot. Why would I think that the Mustache would do something intelligent?

Derrick Johnson was who I was hoping for as well.

 

[TheBradyBunch]

And finally some confirmation from the Detroit media. Apparently they're as lazy as Big Mike!

http://blog.mlive.com/lionsinsider/

Mike Williams' career in Detroit is all but over

Posted by Tom Kowalski April 10, 2007 13:05PM

The Lions refused to say anything about Mike Williams and his shaky future with the team, but they really didn't have to because actions speak louder than words. Head coach Rod Marinelli wanted to see what kind of commitment Williams was willing to make to being in shape, playing football and being part of the team.

Marinelli got his answer Tuesday. Williams was a no-show for the team's first Organized Team Activity, a decision that will likely result in Williams being cut at some point before the start of the regular season. At this point, it's too late for Williams to have second thoughts or even try to make amends. Clearly, Marinelli can't trust Williams and there's no way Marinelli is going to preach one thing to his team and also have Williams on the roster.

Don't look for Williams to get broomed immediately, though. The Lions will continue to try to trade him -- and they've had a few calls -- but the Lions have to find a deal that is good enough to offset the huge salary cap hit the team will take this season ($5.7 million). If the Lions wait until after June 1, they'll absorb only a $1.9 million hit this season with the remaining balance hitting the cap next year.

By the way, after Charlie Sanders was voted into the Hall of Fame in early February, Williams had his No. 88 yanked away from him. The Lions say it's because, while the numbers aren't officially retired, they don't give out the numbers of players who are in the Hall of Fame. That's true, but if Roy Williams was wearing No. 88, would the Lions have pulled it? Or would they have just said that after Roy Williams retires, no one will wear No. 88 again?

According to the team roster, Mike Williams is now wearing No. 81. It's almost a certainty, though, that Mike Williams will never actually wear that number during a Lions football game.

 

[Will]

As a Mike Williams owner who drank the Kool-Aid, drafted him too high, and couldn't trade him for a cold beer I am actually kinda happy with this.

I don't think he ever would have gotten a shot or worked hard in Detroit. At least now there is a chance that he decides to get 'motivated' enough to show Detroit they were wrong. Maybe millions was not enough, but anger/pride will be...

I know, I need to let go, but I'm going to hold on at least until I see where (or if) he lands. It's as optimistic as I've been about him since he was drafted.

 

[TwinTurbo]

Wow I didn't know his Career was over yet. Honestly I think he was drafted by the wrong team, wrong situation, wrong coach and on a team with another guy who turned out to be a POS.(rogers)

I think him and Rogers were made examples of and once you are put in that position its too hard too overcome. He was a marked man as soon as the new coaching team came in. Now to be honest I dont know alot about him but he's been made out to be worthless by DET. But one should ask the question if Det hates him that much or thinks he cant help that team at all, then why is he there? Why not trade him? Why not cut him and give that spot to someone who can help you? Questions like this make me wonder if its all Mike? All Det? or Both? if Both who's more at fault?

On another note I dont think that anyone on this board thinks that if you put him on the field he cant make plays. Honestly? Its not like he drops passes right? I think this guy has taken alot of punishment in Detroit and I think its time for both parties to admit they made a mistake and move on.

JMHO

blame it on the coaches . . . funny stuff . . .where is the personal accountability???

I take you must not read very well.

I was pulling for BMW to do well in Detroit and was one of the people giving him the benefit of the doubt. I've ran into him a couple of times too near the Lions training facility and he's a nice guy. I hope he gets a shot somewhere to prove he can play. BUT...You have to consider that BMW has ended up in the doghouse of 3 different coaching staffs: Mariucci, Jauron, and Marinelli. Martz also doesn't like him. So that's 4 current or former NFL head coaches that basically think BMW is so worthless that he shouldn't even dress on game day. I don't understand it. It doesn't compute with the talent that this guy showed at USC. But the fact is that multiple coaches do not like this guy based on what they see every day in practice and off the field.

You can say Detroit is a terrible place to get drafted and that is partially true. But if you are a true gamer, you can play anywhere. Roy Williams is doing just fine. Talent always rises to the top. BMW could probably use a change of scenery but I doubt it will do him any good at this point.