What are your guys' thoughts on LeShoure? I can't make up my mind. On one hand, he could be fantasy gold as the RB in the Lions offense, with wide open lanes. On the other hand, he suffered a severe injury, an Achilles tear. Reports are emerging that he has lower leg problems (sore ankle I believe), which is common due to overcompensation on the opposite leg. He is also likely to be suspended two games. Thoughts?
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loose circuits
Footballguy
I love the upside when you consider the price. Well worth risk IMO
cstu
Footballguy
Young guys have an easier time coming back from injuries, even serious ones, and he just turned 22. I like his odds although I'm not expecting much early. The suspension isn't much of a concern since they aren't going to rush him back regardless. Could be a great target for the 2nd half of the season.
Boone22
Footballguy
People keep talking about him being well worth the price but I'm wonder what the price is others have seen? As a Smith owner I've tried to trade for LeShoure and got turned down in two leagues when offering late first (1.10 - 1.12) rookie picks. I don't see him being worth more than that considering the injury recovery risk and his issues with Mary-Jane.'loose circuits said:
Lott's Fingertip
Footballguy
I don't think he is a plodder, and they threw 600 times out of necessity (no healthy RBs).Regarding his value, I would not give a 2012 1st rounder for him, the achilles is too big an injury. To me he is a handcuff to Best and not a lot more. Certainly worth a roster spot, but no more than a RB4 until something happens to clear the situation up and we know what his health is going to be.
5Rings
Lurker
Got him in the 11thround of a 12 and. 16. Team startups recently. In established dynasty he's a hold. Owners that spent a 1.05 on him last year aren't selling low.
Donsmith753
Footballguy
He was traded in my league along with Vincent Brown for Carter and Felix.
This was just before the drug news broke.
This was just before the drug news broke.
Shutout
Footballguy
Before the news broke about the drug use, I saw him traded for :Reggie Wayne (in two different leagues)Mike Williams, TBI think he's an excellent guy to buy RIGHT NOW, while people are assuming a suspension WILL happen and before the camps start and year begins. Reasoning:If you have people assuming a 2-4 game suspension comes and it doesn't, then you buy lower than you could once it is announced he will not be suspended.If you buy now and things develop in camp and it becomes obvious that Best isnt going to be able to contribute as much or there is an injury (generally, anything that shows a clearer picture of the pecking order), then you benefit.Once you get into the season, people seem to "remember" that if a guy is out 2-4 weeks in september, thats not really all that important by the time you get to November.Of course all this is gambling on LeShoure but all the signs point towards this being a gamble worth taking.
Zackattack
Footballguy
In a redraft league he is worth a late round flyer. best is very risky. Look what Kevin Smith did some weeks. The guy could be a 8-14 point a week guy you grabbed in the 9-10th round.
cstu
Footballguy
I don't think they 'want' to throw 600+ times.
loose circuits
Footballguy
owner in your league must like him more than most. I was thinking mid-2nd or so
loose circuits
Footballguy
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GreatLakesMike
Footballguy
Be happy you were turned down. I never liked him much coming out of college and with the serious injury and dope problems, I wouldn't give more than a 3rd round pick for LeShoure. I can't believe you were rejected.
N Zone
Footballguy
Kevin Smith is on the roster and ahead of LeShore, that won't change.
Shutout
Footballguy
I would say you are dead wrong about that if Leshoure is anywhere close to being healthy.Last year in camp, everyone that saw Leshoure in practice was RAVING about him.Smith can never stay on the field for four straight games.At some point those two lines will intersect and, IF (and that's the legit big question), he is close to being back where he was, LeShoure will likely never look back.
Winning IS Everything
Footballguy
Yep, the LeShoure owner in my league would jump on the late first and run to the bank. He has depth at RB though.
johnadams
Footballguy
Shanahanigans
Footballguy
FWIW I recently traded him for the 2.4 and 2.11 in a PPR dynasty league.
While I thought he would be perfect for Detroit when he first was drafted an achilles injury is always worrisome. I think he is a bit of an enigma, because on one hand you could be trading a solid RB2, but on the other his value may never be higher than right now since no one has seen him play. In PPR I would bump him down due to the fact that he will not catch many passes. That said, I was pretty happy with my trade.
While I thought he would be perfect for Detroit when he first was drafted an achilles injury is always worrisome. I think he is a bit of an enigma, because on one hand you could be trading a solid RB2, but on the other his value may never be higher than right now since no one has seen him play. In PPR I would bump him down due to the fact that he will not catch many passes. That said, I was pretty happy with my trade.
loose circuits
Footballguy
Wasn't the book on him that he had decent hands? Not sure how you assume he won't catch passes?'Shanahanigans said:
Shanahanigans
Footballguy
He is 6' 230 lbs and plays on a team with Jahvid Best and Kevin Smith. If you're expecting more than 15-20 receptions for LeShoure you're going to be dissappointed imo.
cstu
Footballguy
I wish I had a time machine, too.
N Zone
Footballguy
Well I am watching Back to the Future. Obviously it's my opinion, just like everyone else posting their opinions.
griff321
Footballguy
That's about what I think of him as well, but I'm more reserved in labeling him as a plodder or otherwise until I see how much speed/explosiveness he recovered. Right now in my league it'd take a mid-late first or equivalent to land him. He's a bit of a lotto pick, but not worth it IMO.
ItsOnlytheRiver
Footballguy
Problem isn't your opinion. It's that you are so matter of fact about it and you offer no reasons for it. When I read I post like yours I just assume you're an owner of the player that would benefit if your opinion held true and don't put much value on it.
N Zone
Footballguy
I don't own any Detroit Lions players. I see your point though. I'll be aware of how I state my opinion now. I just think Kevin Smith is a very talented running back with a lot of heart and Jahvid Best is a super talented player. LeShoure had a bad injury and has never played in the NFL, so I can't evaluate him, I just think so highly of Kevin Smith and Jahvid Best based on watching them play.
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Touchdown There
Footballguy
Kevin Smith is going to bring it this year.
While that may be true, Leshoure was in camp for ONE SINGLE WEEK before his injury. That's not much to go on.
Shutout
Footballguy
Maybe. Maybe not. Whenn I'm listening to guys that were former NFL players like Jim Miller talking about how he was well ahead of the rookie norm in terms of understanding blitz responsibilities, route running out of the backfield, and having great hands. And then I hear guys like Rich Gannon echo that, and guys that were o-lineman comparing his vision to common household name RBs,etc. All that adds up (to me) because you have literally a good handful of good former players that know what they are talking about and they all concur that he was "wowing" the practices. I just think its a case of "where there was smoke, there was fire" because I know from experience, these guys I've been listening to for years now call it like they see it. they really don't have an agenda of fluffing a guy up for no reason and they don't care to call a guy out when they see it either. So I take them at their word. They know what they are talking about and I expect we (the regular, common fans) will get to see that this year.
There's no "maybe. Maybe not." He was only in camp for 1 week before he was lost for the year. That's all I was saying.If you want to take comments that say he is "well ahead of the rookie norm" and "wowing" in practice from the first week of TC as an indication that he is the next big thing, that's your call.
The fact is that he had ONE WEEK of health in the NFL.
Touchdown There
Footballguy
It is also fact that many players are never the same again after an Achilles's tear. The injury is worse than an ACL tear if it was a full rupture. We may never know the pre-injury LeShoure as an NFL player. He is also likely to be suspended.LeShoure may be "the guy" in 2013. However, my money is on Best and Kevin Smith taking the great majority of reps in 2012.
loose circuits
Footballguy
Sure seems like Demaryus Thomas came out ok??long term, who cares about a few weeks suspension? Just means he won't be rushed back...
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Thomas partially tore his Achilles, while LeShoure fully ruptured his. They also play different pos. and place different stress
Touchdown There
Footballguy
That is like pointing to Wes Welker's decent year after his ACL tear. You cannot take the best case scenario and apply it to guys you like. D Thomas had a partial Achilles's tear and most of 2011 was fantasy worthless. He broke out in week 13. There is no information regarding a full or partial tear with LeShoure. It could be a full tear and he may never be the same player.In addition, D Thomas had no relevant competition. Decker plays the other WR spot. Kevin Smith will be the main rusher for this team in 2012. If Kevin Smith performs, LeShoure will not even get an opportunity.
loose circuits
Footballguy
Thomas' is the only evidence we have a modern science. Most people have said that the procedures and recovery has advanced rapidly even in the past few years. I personally feel like he will return to full health. The reason DT was out for most of 2011 is because he didn't tear his until later on in the season.As for Leshoure, I also haven't been able to find whether or not it was a full or partial tear although what we do know is that the doctor who performed the surgery gave very positive reports.
http://www.detroitlions.com/news/lions-insider/article-1/Leshoure-believes-100-percent-that-he-will-be-ready-for-the-2012-season-opener/9aa76668-f4da-4b2f-b246-b43798e678cdAs for Smith, if he is as valuable as you say he is why did he only command a one year deal?
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loose circuits
Footballguy
can you provide a link that says Leshoure fully ruptured his?
matttyl
Footballguy
Because the team had all the leverage. Smith wasn't going to go out and command a deal from a team who's offense he didn't know. Realize that Smith signed the deal prior to any of the LeShoure drug news broke. Had he waited for that, he would have commanded a bigger/longer deal....but he also didn't have that luxury.Also, it may be best for Smith that he deal is only for a year. Anything longer than a year now and he would have signed for very little money each year. If he establishes himself this year as a viable NFL back and, more importantly, stays healthy...he could get a much larger/longer deal 12 months from now. This could be especially true if Best takes another hit or LeShoure isn't able to become what Detroit thought he would.
Shutout
Footballguy
ok, I'll be more direct. On Sirius last year, Jim Miller, Soloman Wilcox, Rich gannon, Adam Schein, T-Roc, Pat Kirwin, and about 6 other guys that have more knowledge about what they see with their eyes than any of us here were in Detroit watching what they saw on the practice field and they, to a man, were raving about this guy.Clear enough? I'm sorry if these former players and personnel men can't see in person what you already know by sitting behind your screen and as you cap-lock ONE SINGLE WEEK, without ever seeing the man in person, but how about you don't blast the messenger here?
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Touchdown There
Footballguy
A one year deal is a "prove it" deal. LeShoure is going to pull in near the league minimum at $465,000, so pay and contracts will have nothing to do with this race. The legitimate knock is that Kevin Smith cannot stay healthy either, but give me the guy three years removed from his major injury who is hungry to prove himself.
loose circuits
Footballguy
where does it say that it was a full rupture?You do know?
http://www.achillestendon.com/I don't know one way or the other and I'm not sure it matters whether it was a full tear or not. I just haven't seen any evidence of one way or the other.
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loose circuits
Footballguy
you act like it is difficult for RB's to learn new offenses. It's not the same as the guys in the passing game. The bottom line is nobody offered Smith anything so he signed a 1 year deal for peanuts. The vet RB market is soft so I just don't see him commanding a lot of money on the open market. Leshoure will be the 1st option as, in addition to what the previous poster said about TC observers from last year, I've heard Schwartz rave about him as well...
Dude, do you have some kind of persecution complex?
I posted that Leshoure played 1 week in TC last year before he got hurt. You posted "maybe, maybe not." That's not a maybe/maybe not comment. He had 1 whole week of TC (after no OTAs, minicamps, etc) before he got hurt. I didn't say your quotes were wrong. I didn't ask for a link, I didn't attack your credibility; I merely re-iterated that he had only 1 week of practice from which those guys could be "wowed."Calm down.
benson_will_lead_the_way
Footballguy
YOU don't think one week is much to go on...he thinks it is. That's the differential here.Dude, do you have some kind of persecution complex?
Calm down.
matttyl
Footballguy
He got signed in an offseason where there were a lot of veteran RBs on the market, some of which still don't have jobs (Benson and Grant). He received an offer from the team he's always been with in a "prove it" situation. He wasn't going to get any more than that from any other team given the fact that he wasn't signed to anyone this time last year.
Agreed. And I acknowledged as much in my second post. I fail to see how I was "blast[ing] the messenger."'benson_will_lead_the_way said:YOU don't think one week is much to go on...he thinks it is. That's the differential here.'Bayhawks said:Dude, do you have some kind of persecution complex?
Calm down.
Actually, most don't think it is much'benson_will_lead_the_way said:YOU don't think one week is much to go on...he thinks it is. That's the differential here.'Bayhawks said:Dude, do you have some kind of persecution complex?
Calm down.
one week of TC is nothing to go on. The guy was hurt last year, probably facing a suspension, doesn't appear to have his head on a straight on a team with a bunch of guys that don't seem to have their heads on straight....not my type of situation. Could he explode and be the next arian foster....sure, but so could a lot of guysActually, most don't think it is much'benson_will_lead_the_way said:YOU don't think one week is much to go on...he thinks it is. That's the differential here.'Bayhawks said:Dude, do you have some kind of persecution complex?
Calm down.
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