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Miles Austin new #1? (1 Viewer)
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Brock Middlebrook
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For as much as you're complaining about people over-reacting to Massquoi's good game, you certainly are over-reacting to one statistically bad game.:irony:after Massa's breakout game 2 weeks ago, yes they did shut him down. what did he have last week 15 yards on 1 catch? That's my point. After Manningham's breakout game 3 weeks ago how has he done? Hey Austin might be decent but lets see him do something when teams are looking at him and trying to stop him, against a real NFL defense that can make a tackle and some decent NFL corners.the DEF shut Massa down huh? they rotated coverage and locked him down...that's what happened? He still accounted for 70% of CLE recieving ydg and caught 50% of his QB's completed passes....I think that game had a little more to do with a QB that completed 2 passes for 23yds in the whole game. I don't own the guy, but I think you're jumping to conclusions on this one.I'm not a firm believer that any WR1 just jumps off the waiver wire....but either may be servicable going forward. They'll slide Crayton into the slot and Austin will see more PT, but lets not crown him yet. Out of the three WW darlings, Austin, Maclin, and Massa...I think Maclin has the potential to produce the most on a regular basis.
Banger
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no, I've just been playing this game a long time and seen a lot of big games by guys coming out of nowhere that often don't mean anything...Avery 6-163-1, Gage 4-147-2, Crayton 7-184-2, Curtis 11-221-3.... I could go on. Sometimes everything just breaks right...
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
i played back the cowboys game, specifically to look at austin...
as to the drops, i agree with a poster above... the first "drop" would have been a one-hander... the second he probably could have done a better job of securing it (caught it briefly before being dislodged by the DB (carr?)... i can cut him some slack for those... the third drop in the end zone was i thought the most catchable...
he did also make some very good catches... one down the left sideline where he outjumped & took the ball away from the DB... another where he went in the air on a pass thrown high & behind him where he made a nice play on the ball...
as to the theory that he sort of got lucky because KC missed a lot of tackles... his career average is 20+ YPC... that is on just 33 receptions, so it is admittedly a very small sample... last season he had 20+ YPC on just 13 receptions, which was the most for a cowboy WR since alvin harper (24+ YPC) in nearly 15 years... but the point being, he has flashed great promise in limited opportunity... the cowboys would, imo, be crazy to not greatly expand that opportunity...
they do have a lot invested in roy williams, as has been noted upthread, but austin playing an expanded role isn't mutually exclusive with williams remaining a starter... as has also been noted, crayton looks like a better fit as the WR3, where he can pick on nickle coverage... it is true that anybody can have a good game, but his performance was exceptional (best in DAL history, 15th best for a WR in NFL history)... he looks like the best DAL WR, & they are sorely lacking for explosive plays (especially with felix jones out, which seems to be a regular occurrence)...
some observations on austin... KC did miss some tackles, but he flashes elusiveness and open field running skills, so looks like he is capable of making DBs miss, even against better teams... what most impressed me was his unusual combination of size, quickness & speed... he is a listed 6'3" 215... he has explosive initial quickness, and gets to full speed in about two-three steps... once up to speed, he has long strides & is rarely caught from behind (obviously, with that kind of career average... when looking at the game sunday, even smaller players weren't gaining on him once he was in the clear)...
some WRs have great initial quickness (seemingly more important than raw track speed), some have down the field speed (almost a pejorative, need to get going)... austin has both, which isn't common even for a smaller WR...
he reminds me somewhat of brandon marshall (bigger at 6'4" 230) in his physical tools, skills & game... even to the unfortunately high frequency of drops...
it just seems to make too much sense for austin to get more playing time to not happen... having an explosive playmaker & deep threat would help the run game (forcing the safeties to play honest), as well as clear out the middle for witten, both which would help romo, and he could be instrumental in making the cowboys offense more balanced & stronger overall...
i don't agree with the posters that seem to think it was flukey & he will disappear back to where he came from... obviously he may never have a 250 yard game again... but there is LOTS of room to do less than that... & still be highly productive, and play a key role for the cowboys & fantasy owners down the stretch...
for longer time frames & dynasty purposes, they signed him to a one year contract in the off-season... they could have a big decision to make regarding him in the off-season... if i were the cowboys, i would want to have a better idea of what exactly they have in him (i don't think they really knew based on his limited action previously)... and essentially a no brainer decision when that course of action looks like it would also be consistent with doing what puts them in the best position to win NOW...
* incredibly (to me), in four leagues i just checked on, he ranges from #8 WR - #16 WR, DESPITE very mediocre games weeks 2-3-4... if they use him anything remotely like they did on sunday (in terms of targets), imo, he can put up top 20 WR numbers (with possible top 10-15 upside), GOING FORWARD this season...
as to the drops, i agree with a poster above... the first "drop" would have been a one-hander... the second he probably could have done a better job of securing it (caught it briefly before being dislodged by the DB (carr?)... i can cut him some slack for those... the third drop in the end zone was i thought the most catchable...
he did also make some very good catches... one down the left sideline where he outjumped & took the ball away from the DB... another where he went in the air on a pass thrown high & behind him where he made a nice play on the ball...
as to the theory that he sort of got lucky because KC missed a lot of tackles... his career average is 20+ YPC... that is on just 33 receptions, so it is admittedly a very small sample... last season he had 20+ YPC on just 13 receptions, which was the most for a cowboy WR since alvin harper (24+ YPC) in nearly 15 years... but the point being, he has flashed great promise in limited opportunity... the cowboys would, imo, be crazy to not greatly expand that opportunity...
they do have a lot invested in roy williams, as has been noted upthread, but austin playing an expanded role isn't mutually exclusive with williams remaining a starter... as has also been noted, crayton looks like a better fit as the WR3, where he can pick on nickle coverage... it is true that anybody can have a good game, but his performance was exceptional (best in DAL history, 15th best for a WR in NFL history)... he looks like the best DAL WR, & they are sorely lacking for explosive plays (especially with felix jones out, which seems to be a regular occurrence)...
some observations on austin... KC did miss some tackles, but he flashes elusiveness and open field running skills, so looks like he is capable of making DBs miss, even against better teams... what most impressed me was his unusual combination of size, quickness & speed... he is a listed 6'3" 215... he has explosive initial quickness, and gets to full speed in about two-three steps... once up to speed, he has long strides & is rarely caught from behind (obviously, with that kind of career average... when looking at the game sunday, even smaller players weren't gaining on him once he was in the clear)...
some WRs have great initial quickness (seemingly more important than raw track speed), some have down the field speed (almost a pejorative, need to get going)... austin has both, which isn't common even for a smaller WR...
he reminds me somewhat of brandon marshall (bigger at 6'4" 230) in his physical tools, skills & game... even to the unfortunately high frequency of drops...
it just seems to make too much sense for austin to get more playing time to not happen... having an explosive playmaker & deep threat would help the run game (forcing the safeties to play honest), as well as clear out the middle for witten, both which would help romo, and he could be instrumental in making the cowboys offense more balanced & stronger overall...
i don't agree with the posters that seem to think it was flukey & he will disappear back to where he came from... obviously he may never have a 250 yard game again... but there is LOTS of room to do less than that... & still be highly productive, and play a key role for the cowboys & fantasy owners down the stretch...
for longer time frames & dynasty purposes, they signed him to a one year contract in the off-season... they could have a big decision to make regarding him in the off-season... if i were the cowboys, i would want to have a better idea of what exactly they have in him (i don't think they really knew based on his limited action previously)... and essentially a no brainer decision when that course of action looks like it would also be consistent with doing what puts them in the best position to win NOW...
* incredibly (to me), in four leagues i just checked on, he ranges from #8 WR - #16 WR, DESPITE very mediocre games weeks 2-3-4... if they use him anything remotely like they did on sunday (in terms of targets), imo, he can put up top 20 WR numbers (with possible top 10-15 upside), GOING FORWARD this season...
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Birdie048
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That is what most of us are looking for (being ahead of the curve) in acquiring him. Offered to me for Mark Clayton (owner had bye week issues).
Increased playing time could only benefit the whole Dallas offense with 3 play makers (Felix, Miles & Witten). Romo would gain value too.
I can see him making Top 50 value for the rest of the year - something like Anthony Gonzalez's last year's value.
60 rec 700 yards 5 TD
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
it is possible your reception projection could be in the ballpark, & yet the yards & TDs significantly underestimated...based on historical averages, he gets 20 yards a reception, & scores a TD every 5.5 times he catches the ball... that would be 1,200 yards & 10-11 TDs (on 60 receptions)...
i realize his numbers to date have been a very small sample, & could ultimately prove unsustainable... that would be the pessimistic (perhaps more sensible, realistic
) projection... if he is in fact an explosive playmaker, increasing his targets & opportunities may not increase his yardage average & TD per catch, but it is possible they aren't destined to diminish drastically... though i guess, a TD ever 5.5 catches must be freakish...to reiterate why i think sunday may not have been a fluke... some understandably & predictably mention the poor tackling by KC... but if you look at the first TD... he caught a pass with his momentum going towards the middle of the field... instantly cut to the sideline after securing the ball, had sort of a glancing stiff arm on the closing DB, but sufficient to break free & than it was off to the races... a lot of WRs (ie - roy williams), don't make that play... he has legit athleticism previously criminially underutilized, just waiting to exploited...
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identikit
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FWIW, Rotoworld reporting that Miles Austin is the Cowboy starter now:
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpag...d=4059&sn=t
Story originated via the Fort Worth Star-Telegram:
http://startelegramsports.typepad.com/cowb...servations.html
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpag...d=4059&sn=t
Story originated via the Fort Worth Star-Telegram:
http://startelegramsports.typepad.com/cowb...servations.html
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packersfan
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Time for him to make good on the hype and prove Week 5 wasn't a fluke.
MCguidance
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The course of history has been forever changed
But thanks for the links, much appreciated.
Bankerguy
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IRVING — The Dallas Cowboys have yet to make an official announcement, but the writing has been on the wall since wide receiver Miles Austin’s record-setting day against the Kansas City Chiefs. Now it’s coming to fruition on the practice field.
Austin has replaced Crayton in the starting lineup opposite Roy Williams.
Austin took the bulk of the snaps with the first-team offense as the Cowboys returned to work Monday following last week’s bye in preparation for Sunday’s game against the Atlanta Falcons.
Williams, who practiced for the first time since injuring his ribs against the Denver Broncos and sitting out the Chiefs game, also worked with the first team. Crayton got most of his work as the third receiver.
Cowboys receivers coach Ray Sherman stuck with the official company line when interviewed after practice. "Right now, we are going through practice," Sherman said. "We have to see and make that decision when it comes."
Crayton, however, confirmed the demotion, but declined further comment because he didn’t want to "say the wrong thing."
Again the move is no surprise considering Austin’s big performance against the Chiefs and his explosive potential. Replacing an injured Williams, Austin caught 10 passes for a team-record 250 yards and touchdowns of 59 and 60 yards.
His 250 yards in one game were more than Crayton (243) and Williams (214) have all season.
Coach Wade Phillips said last week that Austin deserved to stay on the field when Williams returned. Now that the Cowboys are following through on their word, the key for Austin is to prove he is not a one-hit wonder and can be a consistent threat.
"It’s good to see that he had a great game," Sherman said. "But now we've got to forget about that and get ready for this one. He has to keep that up."
Austin has replaced Crayton in the starting lineup opposite Roy Williams.
Austin took the bulk of the snaps with the first-team offense as the Cowboys returned to work Monday following last week’s bye in preparation for Sunday’s game against the Atlanta Falcons.
Williams, who practiced for the first time since injuring his ribs against the Denver Broncos and sitting out the Chiefs game, also worked with the first team. Crayton got most of his work as the third receiver.
Cowboys receivers coach Ray Sherman stuck with the official company line when interviewed after practice. "Right now, we are going through practice," Sherman said. "We have to see and make that decision when it comes."
Crayton, however, confirmed the demotion, but declined further comment because he didn’t want to "say the wrong thing."
Again the move is no surprise considering Austin’s big performance against the Chiefs and his explosive potential. Replacing an injured Williams, Austin caught 10 passes for a team-record 250 yards and touchdowns of 59 and 60 yards.
His 250 yards in one game were more than Crayton (243) and Williams (214) have all season.
Coach Wade Phillips said last week that Austin deserved to stay on the field when Williams returned. Now that the Cowboys are following through on their word, the key for Austin is to prove he is not a one-hit wonder and can be a consistent threat.
"It’s good to see that he had a great game," Sherman said. "But now we've got to forget about that and get ready for this one. He has to keep that up."
Ridgelake
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Bob, I hope you're right and he gets the opportunity to show what he can do.
GOing back through memory, many of his TDs have come when he's been single covered by nickle or #2 CBs. When on the field in previous years, he wsa typically the 4th or 5th option. Defenses were occupied with TO, Glenn, Witten, the RB, Crayton, and then Austin. I recall a couple of his early TDs coming on busted coverages when he ran down the field by himself and caught some bombs.
There is little doubt in my mind that he's feasted on the lack of attention. Or said another way, his YPC and YpTD are higher than what he'd likely see were he more of a focus of the defenses.
What encourages me is that he was a focus of the defense against KC. He was the starter. And he was obviously very effective. I hope this continues going forward.
GOing back through memory, many of his TDs have come when he's been single covered by nickle or #2 CBs. When on the field in previous years, he wsa typically the 4th or 5th option. Defenses were occupied with TO, Glenn, Witten, the RB, Crayton, and then Austin. I recall a couple of his early TDs coming on busted coverages when he ran down the field by himself and caught some bombs.
There is little doubt in my mind that he's feasted on the lack of attention. Or said another way, his YPC and YpTD are higher than what he'd likely see were he more of a focus of the defenses.
What encourages me is that he was a focus of the defense against KC. He was the starter. And he was obviously very effective. I hope this continues going forward.
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
austin looks like he might be more talented than roy williams...it will be interesting to see going forward, with both starting, who opposing defenses fear & respect more... for teams that move their top CB around, who draws the top CB... who gets coverage rolled towards more, etc... your recollection serves you well, ridgelake... i believe i have also seen some of austin's scores come on coverages of the busted variant, & agree he has probably exploited the lack of attention at times... i am high on him based on other times (like against KC), where he made plays that showcased his elite size-speed combo & athleticism...some tackles were missed in his recent outburst, but at some point i give him credit for making defenders miss, running away from them with his explosive burst & acceleration, and breaking tackles at times maybe a testament to latent contact balance & deceptive power... he looked really smooth escaping the jam in his first start, and was getting a lot of separation, which bodes well... the more separation he gets before the catch, the better able he will be to damage with his formidable RAC skills...to cross-post a comp player from another thread, he reminds me of a smaller brandon marshall...
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thatguy
Footballguy
Are you saying Austin is bigger than Marshall? I assume not, since the numbers your posted are Marshall's height and weight, but that's what it sounds like.
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
poorly phrased by me... austin is smaller at a listed 6'3" 215... coincidentally, i addressed this in the post immediately above...
Ridgelake
Footballguy
The Marshall comparison isnt bad. But its still not quite right to me for some reason. Maybe because Marshall just seems to ATTACK the ball and the defender so much its hard to emulate that.
Another thread mentioned Vincent Jackson. Thats not bad.
But he actually reminds me a little of TO. Rather similar height/weight. Both good speed and good RAC. Perhaps Austin has a touch better straight line speed, but a little less agility. Not dissimilar hands. I'm not sure Austin understands defenses as well as TO. But he's clearly much less of a headache. And he's clearly achieved far less in his career so far than TO. But for a physical comparison, TO is the best I've got.
Another thread mentioned Vincent Jackson. Thats not bad.
But he actually reminds me a little of TO. Rather similar height/weight. Both good speed and good RAC. Perhaps Austin has a touch better straight line speed, but a little less agility. Not dissimilar hands. I'm not sure Austin understands defenses as well as TO. But he's clearly much less of a headache. And he's clearly achieved far less in his career so far than TO. But for a physical comparison, TO is the best I've got.
Good analysis on Marshall. Marshall is much more physically imposing than Austin and while Marshall seemed to have poor hands early on in his career he has really impoved on that the last 2 seasons. I would definitely give Austin the lead on on speed but Marshall is better at attacking the defender before and after the catch. I will say though that Austin really impressed me with his physical play his last game. I had not seen him play that physical previously. He alwasy played fast but he always seemed too stiff. Good comparison of him and TO as well. He also plays a little more robotic than TO but he seems to be improving in that area and the more time he gets the better he will play.Looks like Miles will be in for a lot of targets again this week. Roy Williams might not play again this week.
Cowboys coach Wade Phillips revealed Friday that he is considering holding Roy E. Williams (ribs) out for Week 7.
Williams has practiced all week, but hasn't looked good doing it. "You can tell he's in pain sometimes during practice, catching the ball," Phillips said. "I think it's lessened as the week has gone along, but we'll see where he is today." How Williams looks in Friday's practice will be a deciding factor. Miles Austin could be a target monster against Atlanta if he can't play. Oct. 23 - 12:18 pm et
Source: Dallas Morning News
Cowboys coach Wade Phillips revealed Friday that he is considering holding Roy E. Williams (ribs) out for Week 7.
Williams has practiced all week, but hasn't looked good doing it. "You can tell he's in pain sometimes during practice, catching the ball," Phillips said. "I think it's lessened as the week has gone along, but we'll see where he is today." How Williams looks in Friday's practice will be a deciding factor. Miles Austin could be a target monster against Atlanta if he can't play. Oct. 23 - 12:18 pm et
Source: Dallas Morning News
MCguidance
Footballguy
Could be a MSW-type (not in the physical sense) but in the fact that he could really help people out this year as a WW gem.
NatronIsMean
Footballguy
That's my hope... I have both Jennings and Steve Smith and just missed MSW on waivers. I would love to have Ausitn help solve my problem.
