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You will not find a bigger Elway fan than myself; but lets keep it real. Elway was a football player, but never a fantasy stud. Elway did not scare anyone when it came to Fantasy Football. Romo should scare Fatansy Football players, Elway scarred NFL Defenses. You are talking apples and oranges here.
I think he was talking about real life and not fantasy.
Someone pull packersfan from the ledge.
After watching the second half, someone may need to pull me back off the ledge. It was a mixed bag yesterday. Austin was dominant in the first half but then Kitna ignored him for virtually the entire second half until the very end. He only had one reception in the second half and I believe he wasn't even targeted until late in the game. That's not good. That concerns me because that's now happened in each of the last two games Kitna has been far more willing to throw to other players and not get the ball to Austin. If Austin keeps putting up 7-117 it won't matter but there are still some disturbing signs here that are undercutting Austin's potential. The good news is the Cowboys can't run the ball at all anymore so they're likely going to be throwing it a ton every week. So hopefully the receptions will be there for Austin most weeks. But I still think Austin might be someone you could look to move now. Kitna is clearly comfortable throwing to Bryant and Witten and that is going to impact Austin's potential. His trade value is back up so if someone made you a good offer now might not be a bad time to deal him.
Dispite Austin's good fantasy numbers, he's had a couple of dropped very catchable in your hands passes in the last couple of games. Maybe we should wonder how Austin will affect Kitna's numbers.Austin will still produce fantasy-wise.
The problem was Austin seemed to be punished by Kitna for nearly an entire half for his tipped INT. Meanwhile, Kitna continues to feed Bryant and Witten consistently. Again, I can't complain about 7-117, but when only one of those receptions came in the final 30 minutes and a glaring lack of targets during that span occurred it doesn't leave me feeling all that warm and fuzzy. I'm still bothered by the lengthy amount of time Kitna has taken in both games so far where he doesn't even look to get the ball to Austin. The two have basically had six quarters to work together and four of them have been very poor for Austin in terms of targets and activity.
I stand guilty as charged of hyperbole.
That said, it is a fact that Austin went nearly the entire second half without a target after catching six passes in the first half. Call it what you want but I find it troubling that the majority of the past two games has seen Austin be a spectator in the Dallas passing game. He's had one sensational half and four poor quarters.Perhaps the Jaguars schemed differently after he went off in the 1st half and started bracketing him more, and Kitna as is his job- went to the open man created by the extra attention to Austin? Typically that's what happens when one player just explodes at the beginning of a game. The other team decides to take him out of the equation.I stand guilty as charged of hyperbole.That said, it is a fact that Austin went nearly the entire second half without a target after catching six passes in the first half. Call it what you want but I find it troubling that the majority of the past two games has seen Austin be a spectator in the Dallas passing game. He's had one sensational half and four poor quarters.
Do you think Jerry pulls Kitna before the Thanksgiving day game? Seems Kitna gives him the best chance to save face.
The Jaguars' pass defense is horrible - as Austin showed in the first half. I don't believe they have the ability to take any WR out of the game plan no matter how hard they may try. They simply aren't very good defensively against the pass. It should not have been difficult at all for Kitna to get the ball to him if he were so inclined.Perhaps the Jaguars schemed differently after he went off in the 1st half and started bracketing him more, and Kitna as is his job- went to the open man created by the extra attention to Austin? Typically that's what happens when one player just explodes at the beginning of a game. The other team decides to take him out of the equation.I stand guilty as charged of hyperbole.
I am just guessing but I'd think no.Now, if coach gets the axe who knows. My bigger fear would be come weeks 13-16 that something may change.
Packersfan let me ask you a question: If you hadn't seen the game and only the final stats would your tune be different here?
yeah, i'm feeling much better about austin after see his stat line this week.
Yup and I said that in terms of production 7-117 is a very good day. If that's what Austin delivers more often than not he'll have survived the Romo injury. But what concerns me is that nearly all of that production came in two quarters. In the other four quarters with Kitna he has been a non-factor and Kitna has had no difficulty getting the ball to other receivers (namely Witten and Bryant). I'm not trying to be a Debbie Downer here. Honest.
I just see some negative issues that began in Week 7 and continued again yesterday for Austin with Kitna at QB. And those negative issues concern me as an Austin owner.
You've got to be kidding me right? Last week you were down in the dumps and was deeply concerned Austin's value would completly tank after ONE GAME. Now game two your still down on him because he didn't produce the 2nd half but he still put up high WR2/low WR1 numbers after 2 games?Austin will be just fine thank you as long as Kitna's the QB. Like you said they will throw it a ton and I expect a better rapport with Austin and Kitna going forward. Kitna looked pretty good to me just a bad day of WR drops.Of course I'm a Witten owner too so I'm feeling very good right now.Yup and I said that in terms of production 7-117 is a very good day. If that's what Austin delivers more often than not he'll have survived the Romo injury. But what concerns me is that nearly all of that production came in two quarters. In the other four quarters with Kitna he has been a non-factor and Kitna has had no difficulty getting the ball to other receivers (namely Witten and Bryant). I'm not trying to be a Debbie Downer here. Honest.I just see some negative issues that began in Week 7 and continued again yesterday for Austin with Kitna at QB. And those negative issues concern me as an Austin owner.
I'm concerned because in 67% of the quarters he has played with Jon Kitna he has been a significant afterthought in the Dallas passing game despite the fact Kitna has thrown the ball a ton. I'm just trying to assess his ongoing value as correctly as possible and in order to do that I'm not going to turn a blind eye to the fact that he continues to have large stretches of games where Kitna isn't even looking for him. If that doesn't concern you or other Austin owners, that's fine. But it does concern me because I'm not sure Austin will have enough six-catch, 100-yard halves to offset those lengthy MIA streaks if that continues to occur.
Personally, I hope you trade him so I don't have to read your whiny, nit-picking posts anymore.I don't know of any WR that puts up solid stats in every quarter, every week.
Way to stay classy.
Just keepin' it real.Way to stay classy.
Uh huh. My take is I'm going to be as objective as possible when evaluating Austin's potential going forward. That means looking at both the good and bad. Ignoring the latter simply because I happen to like the guy makes little sense to me. If you consider the fact he went nearly an entire half yesterday without a single target to be "whiny and nit-picking" that's up to you. I view it as objectively looking at what happened during the game and trying to factor that into my projections for Austin going forward. Sorry if the fact I'm not all flowers and sunshine after watching Austin go nearly an entire half without a target and catch only one pass in the second half. I don't consider those to be positive stats. Your mileage obviously varies.Just keepin' it real.Way to stay classy.
Sounds like an assumption that McGee will see the field to me.
I'm going to try and trade him for a lesser RB this week if possible. I may offer him for Welker or Collie. If that fails, I'm going to try and drop him for Rice in blind bidding.It sucks but all of the negative signs that were clearly apparent when Kitna took over against the Giants have remained in place. In 10 quarters with Kitna, Austin has caught a combined four passes in eight of them. He has become an afterthought in the passing game with Dez Bryant clearly becoming the focal point. You even had the WRs coach last night telling NBC that they needed to get the ball more to Bryant even though he was already dwarfing Austin in terms of production. So this isn't just a Kitna thing (although that's a huge part of it). The Cowboys are making a concerted effort to get the ball to Bryant. That's something they used to do with Austin but they aren't doing that anymore.He's now the No. 2 WR on a struggling offense with a poor QB. I don't see how he can be started in any league right now (you'd have to have some mighty big stones to start him next week against the Giants) and I think he's droppable in smaller redraft leagues or ones with tight roster limits. I was really hoping I'd be wrong but Romo's injury has destroyed Austin's value as I feared would be the case.
Jon Kitna is a huge downgrade from Tony Romo.Dez Bryant is pretty damn good and the Cowboys have elevated him to WR1 status on the team.Last night, Austin had what should have been a 50-yard TD against the Packers. He was wide-### open downfield but Kitna threw a horrible ball. Maybe Romo doesn't complete it either but he sure as hell would've had a much better chance since he's a much better QB. Without Romo and his strong arm, a huge part of Austin's game is gone because he's a big-play threat. Kitna simply can't make those throws. Combine that with the heavy emphasis on Bryant and it's a major issue. How many times did the Cowboys call for those quick WR out passes for Bryant last night? Three or four times? Those are things they used to do with Austin but they no longer are doing that. Austin excels at making yards after the catch so you would think that having him involved with those types of plays would make sense and it's certainly a throw Kitna can make. But now they want to use Bryant on those routes.With a healthy Romo, Austin's value would likely suffer a little due to Bryant's emergence but I think he could still be a Top 10-15 WR because Romo could get him the ball downfield. But outside of two quarters, Austin has been a WR6 with Kitna. That's the cold, harsh truth and I've seen no reason to believe it's going to change.
The interesting thing is that the ball that came off of Austin's hands in the previous game for the INT was actually two feet over Austin's head! Austin was on a slant pattern to his right and suddenly had to reach straight up over his head to catch the ball and it simply went through his hands. Sure, an NFL receiver should have caught that ball but it wasn't an easy play by any means.
HIJACK Elway was a more than viable fantasy option. From 1984-1998 (excluding only his rookie year), he finished outside the top 12 fantasy QBs only 1 time. In order during that time, he finished 12, 7, 3, 3, 9, 10, 8, 7, 19, 2, 5, 6, 3, 4, 12.
I agree. Guys like Austin or Marshall don't suddenly lose talent or skills--unless they get old or injured. When a top talent has poor QB or offense around them they are inconsistent. They will still have great days but they will have stinkers too.
I agree. He's still a stud talent but as I said the night Romo got hurt I think his value is gone for the rest of this season or at least significantly impacted to the point where he can't be started with any remote sense of confidence going forward. Four receptions in eight quarters is pretty strong evidence in my opinion.
I'm thinking Jerry Jones will put pressure on the team to win to finish out the season so I'm holding out hope that we see Romo again somewhere around week 13.
I think there is some truth to this, if Jones can be assured that Romo is 100% healthy with no risk of injury then why not start him. If so, he'll want to finish strong, spin it all on Romo's injury and pray all of those season tickets get bought again at probably even higher prices.
I think Bryant had 10 targets, Austin had 6. Two passes intended for Austin were intercepted, one of which Austin tipped. After having two picks to lost to him, I'm guessing Kitna was a bit hesitant to throw his way at times.
The INT by Shields was not Austin's fault. That was a terrible throw by Kitna. Austin had a step on Shields and the ball was severely underthrown. If Kitna was upset at anyone besides himself for that throw he's got a screw loose.BringItOn said:
that shield ball is another case of Kitna being unable to get austin the ball, he needed to throw dart down the field, and he tried t float one over to him......since i have nicks/fitz i am going to hold on to austin and hope and pray jerry jones gets so humiliated he makes sure ROmo comes back just to save a little pride.
Exactly! No way that was Austin's fault.
