Minus points for INTs and fumbles? (2 Viewers)

[Summer Wheat]

I am in four league and two of the leagues have minus points for turnovers. -3 for INTs and -2 for fumbles. This scoring system adds a little more balance to garbage time.

It used to be when you had a QB that was down 21-0 in the first half is was great. The QB would be throwing 50 times and your team would be racking up points even thought the QB may throw 2-3 INTS. Now the minus 3 per INT punishes lousy play.

Lets face it INTS kill a real team. Next year we are putting in -5 for pick-6s. Last week Orton was -6 for his 5 turnovers.

I had Peyton Manning and the week he threw 4 INTs that was minus 12 points off my total. A fitting punishment since he ruined the Colts chances that day to win. In my other league that does not punish turnovers I had Manning as well and he had a huge day..throwing for almost 400 and a couple of TDS, reason being he put his team in such a big hole he had to throw every down.

Minus points should be a must for all FF league going forward. Makes the game more interesting.

 

[Dought Man]

Thank you, Senator. You may leave the stand now.

 

[Saint]

I tend to agree with the OP actually. Our scoring rules penalize for poor play. Just a way of playing the game as turnovers are game changers. Of course on the flip side, I've played high scoring rules where they don't deduct for anything. It's all about the points.

I tend to like negative scoring rules as it makes the draft and preparation more complex. We actually use scoring rules where defenses almost always score negative points. Specifically, defenses lose a pt for every pt scored on them. (Ie, if you had CHI against NE, you would have lost -35 pts). We do have some bonuses for sacks and such, but more often than not it is negative.

I think every league has unique scoring that makes that league interesting. It's why you play the game.

 

[OddibeMcD]

If defenses almost always score negative points why the heck does anyone ever start one? There is no such thing as a must have in FF. D what ever makes you happy.

 

[FunkyPlutos]

One thing I don't like is penalizing for fumbles on kickoff returns (like Hester or Harvin), when you don't get the points for a return TD. A fumble lost on ST counts against them, but a TD scored does not count if it is on ST.

 

[Saint]

If defenses almost always score negative points why the heck does anyone ever start one? There is no such thing as a must have in FF. D what ever makes you happy.

Have to start a complete line-up. We like it as now top defenses are a must have... most people end up drafting 2 and we've seen D's go as high as the 3rd round. I agree though, do whatever makes you happy. It's just a different way of doing it.

 

[Summer Wheat]

One thing I don't like is penalizing for fumbles on kickoff returns (like Hester or Harvin), when you don't get the points for a return TD. A fumble lost on ST counts against them, but a TD scored does not count if it is on ST.

We put in a rule a couple of years ago that if you start a WR and he returns a punt or a kickoff for a TD you get the 6 points but no yardage. Still - for a fumble.

 

[CrossEyed]

I'm in a league that penalizes 1 pt for a fumble and another 3 for a fumble lost. I think that's way too much. Hillis almost killed me last week. Why should I lose points when the Browns didn't even lose the ball?

 

[Summer Wheat]

I'm in a league that penalizes 1 pt for a fumble and another 3 for a fumble lost. I think that's way too much. Hillis almost killed me last week. Why should I lose points when the Browns didn't even lose the ball?

We only subtract for fumbles lost.

 

[C-Bound]

Don't think I've ever seen a league that doesn't subtract for fumbles lost and INTs. Pretty standard...

 

[footballnerd]

-3 for INTs is pretty hefty, we go -2 INT and -2 FL too

I do like the Pick-6 penalty idea as those are costly plays IRL

what about Fumble-6?

 

[Summer Wheat]

-3 for INTs is pretty hefty, we go -2 INT and -2 FL tooI do like the Pick-6 penalty idea as those are costly plays IRLwhat about Fumble-6?

May have to re-open that too.

 

[Birdie048]

We go with -2 per INT, but if they throw 3 picks, there is a -3 penalty added to the score (3 Ints = -9). Fumbles are -2 per player regardless.

A QB might throw 1 pick and not impact the outcome of the game.... but 3 picks will really hurt the team... thus the -3 penalty for that 3rd pick. Last week in our scoring, Orton was -3.6 total.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

It's whatever you're comfortable with. Our league penalizes turnovers heavily. You get negative FOUR points for a interception or lost fumble. Many qb's have given their owner negative points this year.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

We actually use scoring rules where defenses almost always score negative points. Specifically, defenses lose a pt for every pt scored on them. (Ie, if you had CHI against NE, you would have lost -35 pts). We do have some bonuses for sacks and such, but more often than not it is negative.

When I set up my league I almost went with this kind of format. Only I was going to award a defense x points to start with (10-15 iirc) and deduct a point for every point scored against them. Instead we went with an idp setup.

 

[Angus82]

Our league focuses on scoring, no negative points. What is great about fantasy is that any league can have its own rules. For example, we award 12 points for any TD over 50. Some leagues are TD only, some PPR, some bonus driven. It really doesn't matter to me what the rules are as long as those rules don't change after I draft.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

What is great about fantasy is that any league can have its own rules.

Of course, but it's still good to have these kinds of arguments. They've changed the landscape of FF over the years. It used to be almost every league started only 2 RB and 2 WR, there was next to no PPR and IDP was almost unheard of. I do think most leagues penalize for TOs, but not nearly enough. I'd like more leagues to give INTs the same weight as passing TDs. I can't really say I agree with penalizing extra for pick-6's though since it's often largely out of QB's control whether the pass gets returned or not.

 

[JbizzleMan]

Our league does -3 INT, -1 F, -3FL.

I never understood not penalizing a fumble even when the ball is recovered by their team. Don't fumble. Players are often benched when they fumble regardless of whether or not they recover it or not.

 

[the UFFRM]

I'm in a league that penalizes 1 pt for a fumble and another 3 for a fumble lost. I think that's way too much. Hillis almost killed me last week. Why should I lose points when the Browns didn't even lose the ball?

We only subtract for fumbles lost.

In my leagues it is -2 for fumbles lost and +2 for recoveries so if your guy puts it on the ground like a chump then he has a chance to redeem himself. If his teammate recovers it the original ball carrier is still penalized -2. Don't fumble the effing ball. People that complain about fumbles don't seem to understand that everyone in the league is affected the same way by every rule.

 

[Godsbrother]

I'm in a league that penalizes 1 pt for a fumble and another 3 for a fumble lost. I think that's way too much. Hillis almost killed me last week. Why should I lose points when the Browns didn't even lose the ball?

We penalize -3 for interceptions and fumbles lost. You do not get panalized if your player fumbles as long as it was recovered by an offensive player.

 

[FavreCo]

I am in four league and two of the leagues have minus points for turnovers. -3 for INTs and -2 for fumbles. This scoring system adds a little more balance to garbage time.

It used to be when you had a QB that was down 21-0 in the first half is was great. The QB would be throwing 50 times and your team would be racking up points even thought the QB may throw 2-3 INTS. Now the minus 3 per INT punishes lousy play.

Lets face it INTS kill a real team. Next year we are putting in -5 for pick-6s. Last week Orton was -6 for his 5 turnovers.

I had Peyton Manning and the week he threw 4 INTs that was minus 12 points off my total. A fitting punishment since he ruined the Colts chances that day to win. In my other league that does not punish turnovers I had Manning as well and he had a huge day..throwing for almost 400 and a couple of TDS, reason being he put his team in such a big hole he had to throw every down.

Minus points should be a must for all FF league going forward. Makes the game more interesting.

Let's see if you agree now. I'm testing your common sense.You have Brady, he has Branch.

Score is tied 75-75.

Last play of the game, Brady throws a perfect strike to Branch who lets the ball bounce off his hand to the defender.

You lose.

Your guy did everything correctly, his guy did everything wrong.

You are punished, he is rewarded.

Not too many things dumber than minus points for INTs'.

 

[C-Bound]

Not too many things dumber than minus points for INTs'.

Now lets test your common sense. Same scenario and Brady doesn't see the guy covering Branch and throws it right at him and he proceeds to run it back for a TD untouched. All Brady's fault. How do you NOT penalize this?

 

[Dismattle]

I believe your saying what if Branch runs the wrong route?

 

[Zakalwe]

I am in four league and two of the leagues have minus points for turnovers. -3 for INTs and -2 for fumbles. This scoring system adds a little more balance to garbage time.It used to be when you had a QB that was down 21-0 in the first half is was great. The QB would be throwing 50 times and your team would be racking up points even thought the QB may throw 2-3 INTS. Now the minus 3 per INT punishes lousy play.Lets face it INTS kill a real team. Next year we are putting in -5 for pick-6s. Last week Orton was -6 for his 5 turnovers.I had Peyton Manning and the week he threw 4 INTs that was minus 12 points off my total. A fitting punishment since he ruined the Colts chances that day to win. In my other league that does not punish turnovers I had Manning as well and he had a huge day..throwing for almost 400 and a couple of TDS, reason being he put his team in such a big hole he had to throw every down.Minus points should be a must for all FF league going forward. Makes the game more interesting.

In our league, -1 for INTs, -2 for fumbles lost, +1 for fumble recovery (defense only) and +2 for INT made.The idea is that INTs are for the most part, the fault of the QB, but because of deflections, tips, etc., they aren't penalized as much as fumbles. Fumbles lost are purely the fault of the ball carrier and thus penalized more.Interceptions made require more skill and positioning than fumbles recovered which is why they should be rewarded with more points to the defense.What actually got me thinking about this was an article in the Wall Street Journal, of all places!

 

[FavreCo]

Not too many things dumber than minus points for INTs'.

Now lets test your common sense. Same scenario and Brady doesn't see the guy covering Branch and throws it right at him and he proceeds to run it back for a TD untouched. All Brady's fault. How do you NOT penalize this?

Huge difference. They other guy was not rewarded for his players incompetance. HUGE difference.You don't peanlize it because, sans watching every turnover and adjusting points, you have no idea whose fault it was. To penalize a team for good play and reward a team for horrible play is ridiculous. I always bring up this when someone wants to do it in or league. it quickly goes away.

 

[JbizzleMan]

Not too many things dumber than minus points for INTs'.

Now lets test your common sense. Same scenario and Brady doesn't see the guy covering Branch and throws it right at him and he proceeds to run it back for a TD untouched. All Brady's fault. How do you NOT penalize this?

Huge difference. They other guy was not rewarded for his players incompetance. HUGE difference.You don't peanlize it because, sans watching every turnover and adjusting points, you have no idea whose fault it was. To penalize a team for good play and reward a team for horrible play is ridiculous. I always bring up this when someone wants to do it in or league. it quickly goes away.

It doesn't matter whose "fault" it is. When you see the boxscore an INT is an INT. A QB doesnt get a pass on his stats just because it was deflected off the hands of their WR.It's sort of like if you reward D/ST with return yardage points. Might as well grab the worst defense because you know that they'll be returning the ball quite a bit.

 

[MIMN]

The idea is that INTs are for the most part, the fault of the QB, but because of deflections, tips, etc., they aren't penalized as much as fumbles. Fumbles lost are purely the fault of the ball carrier and thus penalized more.

I agree with this. Nothing is more frustrating than to watch your QB throw a perfect pass only to have it bobbled. It also doesn't penalize as much for a hail mary pass that the QB is instructed to throw. A special penalty for a pick 6 (or fumble 6) would be a nice addition. Perhaps twice the pick/fumble penalty.

 

[FavreCo]

Not too many things dumber than minus points for INTs'.

Now lets test your common sense. Same scenario and Brady doesn't see the guy covering Branch and throws it right at him and he proceeds to run it back for a TD untouched. All Brady's fault. How do you NOT penalize this?

Huge difference. They other guy was not rewarded for his players incompetance. HUGE difference.You don't peanlize it because, sans watching every turnover and adjusting points, you have no idea whose fault it was. To penalize a team for good play and reward a team for horrible play is ridiculous. I always bring up this when someone wants to do it in or league. it quickly goes away.

It doesn't matter whose "fault" it is. When you see the boxscore an INT is an INT. A QB doesnt get a pass on his stats just because it was deflected off the hands of their WR.It's sort of like if you reward D/ST with return yardage points. Might as well grab the worst defense because you know that they'll be returning the ball quite a bit.

Lose your big $ FFL game because your guy threw a pick that was the fault of your opponent's WR and you will change your tune.Who the hell gives D/ST return yardage points?

 

[C-Bound]

Not too many things dumber than minus points for INTs'.

Now lets test your common sense. Same scenario and Brady doesn't see the guy covering Branch and throws it right at him and he proceeds to run it back for a TD untouched. All Brady's fault. How do you NOT penalize this?

Huge difference. They other guy was not rewarded for his players incompetance. HUGE difference.You don't peanlize it because, sans watching every turnover and adjusting points, you have no idea whose fault it was. To penalize a team for good play and reward a team for horrible play is ridiculous. I always bring up this when someone wants to do it in or league. it quickly goes away.

It doesn't matter whose "fault" it is. When you see the boxscore an INT is an INT. A QB doesnt get a pass on his stats just because it was deflected off the hands of their WR.It's sort of like if you reward D/ST with return yardage points. Might as well grab the worst defense because you know that they'll be returning the ball quite a bit.

Lose your big $ FFL game because your guy threw a pick that was the fault of your opponent's WR and you will change your tune.

This is the same as the guy who complains that his QB got a concussion in the first half and he lost by a few points that week. Would you also like to add a rule that if a player gets hurt the affected owner can defer to a healthy bench player for that weeks points? As stated too many times here to count...#### happens in fantasy football. The only logical conclusion I can come up with to your stance is you're the guy in your example and can't get over it.

 

[JbizzleMan]

Using that dudes logic we should also give the points to receivers if they get a P.I. called in their favor.

 

[footballnerd]

Lose your big $ FFL game because your guy threw a pick that was the fault of your opponent's WR and you will change your tune.

ya the extremely high probability that this scenario will happen is why we should do away with the INT category in FFL

 

[PatsFanCT]

I am in four league and two of the leagues have minus points for turnovers. -3 for INTs and -2 for fumbles. This scoring system adds a little more balance to garbage time.

It used to be when you had a QB that was down 21-0 in the first half is was great. The QB would be throwing 50 times and your team would be racking up points even thought the QB may throw 2-3 INTS. Now the minus 3 per INT punishes lousy play.

Lets face it INTS kill a real team. Next year we are putting in -5 for pick-6s. Last week Orton was -6 for his 5 turnovers.

I had Peyton Manning and the week he threw 4 INTs that was minus 12 points off my total. A fitting punishment since he ruined the Colts chances that day to win. In my other league that does not punish turnovers I had Manning as well and he had a huge day..throwing for almost 400 and a couple of TDS, reason being he put his team in such a big hole he had to throw every down.

Minus points should be a must for all FF league going forward. Makes the game more interesting.

Let's see if you agree now. I'm testing your common sense.You have Brady, he has Branch.

Score is tied 75-75.

Last play of the game, Brady throws a perfect strike to Branch who lets the ball bounce off his hand to the defender.

You lose.

Your guy did everything correctly, his guy did everything wrong.

You are punished, he is rewarded.

Not too many things dumber than minus points for INTs'.

I don't mind negative points for fumbles lost, but this is exactly why I don't like negative points for Int's. It's frustrating as hell to see points disappear because the perfect pass your QB throws bounces off the numbers of his receiver only to be picked. If there was a way to charge the person responsible for negative points, I'd be all for it.

 

[Dexter Manley]

I'm actually in one league (idp) that punishes players for throwing int's (-3 points) and rewards players for making interceptions (+3 points), but doesn't have any rules about fumbles. Regarding fumbles, offensive players aren't penalized and defensive players aren't reward for causing and recovering them.

I thought it was whack at first, but now I sort of dig it as a nice changeup from my other leagues.

 

[C-Bound]

I'm cool with a little change-up as well from time to time but I'm also all for the negative points INT being the rule not the exception.

 

[footballnerd]

I don't mind negative points for fumbles lost, but this is exactly why I don't like negative points for Int's. It's frustrating as hell to see points disappear because the perfect pass your QB throws bounces off the numbers of his receiver only to be picked. If there was a way to charge the person responsible for negative points, I'd be all for it.

The INT will always be a QB stat, QBs take each one of those bastards with them into the HOF. The only way to counterbalance this is to keep track of dropped passes from the WR, which I hope will become a regular NFL stat. negative points for a dropped pass will help balance things out. -2? -4 for dropped pass resulting in INT?

 

[Dr. Awesome]

I am in four league and two of the leagues have minus points for turnovers. -3 for INTs and -2 for fumbles. This scoring system adds a little more balance to garbage time.

It used to be when you had a QB that was down 21-0 in the first half is was great. The QB would be throwing 50 times and your team would be racking up points even thought the QB may throw 2-3 INTS. Now the minus 3 per INT punishes lousy play.

Lets face it INTS kill a real team. Next year we are putting in -5 for pick-6s. Last week Orton was -6 for his 5 turnovers.

I had Peyton Manning and the week he threw 4 INTs that was minus 12 points off my total. A fitting punishment since he ruined the Colts chances that day to win. In my other league that does not punish turnovers I had Manning as well and he had a huge day..throwing for almost 400 and a couple of TDS, reason being he put his team in such a big hole he had to throw every down.

Minus points should be a must for all FF league going forward. Makes the game more interesting.

Let's see if you agree now. I'm testing your common sense.You have Brady, he has Branch.

Score is tied 75-75.

Last play of the game, Brady throws a perfect strike to Branch who lets the ball bounce off his hand to the defender.

You lose.

Your guy did everything correctly, his guy did everything wrong.

You are punished, he is rewarded.

Not too many things dumber than minus points for INTs'.

I don't mind negative points for fumbles lost, but this is exactly why I don't like negative points for Int's. It's frustrating as hell to see points disappear because the perfect pass your QB throws bounces off the numbers of his receiver only to be picked. If there was a way to charge the person responsible for negative points, I'd be all for it.

What if the qb throws an awful pass and the wr makes an amazing play just to bat the ball away or prevent the defender from intercepting the ball? It happens both ways. Stil, guys like Brady/Rivers don't throw many interceptions. That's why they go at a premium in certain leagues.

 

[two_dollars]

-1 int, -1 fumble lost

works for us

 

[flypro]

A QB is credited for a fumble on every QB-RB exchange that the running back doesn't come clean with, not always the QB's fault but still credited with the fumble lost. Some INTs are the QBs fault and some are the WRs fault but all are credited to the QB. A perfect route by a WR and a perfect throw by the QB are often ruined by a pass interference call where no one gets points. Not always fair, but those are the rules.

Also, pretty ironic that one of the people most against INTs has the handle FavreCo.

 

[Summer Wheat]

I am in four league and two of the leagues have minus points for turnovers. -3 for INTs and -2 for fumbles. This scoring system adds a little more balance to garbage time.

It used to be when you had a QB that was down 21-0 in the first half is was great. The QB would be throwing 50 times and your team would be racking up points even thought the QB may throw 2-3 INTS. Now the minus 3 per INT punishes lousy play.

Lets face it INTS kill a real team. Next year we are putting in -5 for pick-6s. Last week Orton was -6 for his 5 turnovers.

I had Peyton Manning and the week he threw 4 INTs that was minus 12 points off my total. A fitting punishment since he ruined the Colts chances that day to win. In my other league that does not punish turnovers I had Manning as well and he had a huge day..throwing for almost 400 and a couple of TDS, reason being he put his team in such a big hole he had to throw every down.

Minus points should be a must for all FF league going forward. Makes the game more interesting.

Let's see if you agree now. I'm testing your common sense.You have Brady, he has Branch.

Score is tied 75-75.

Last play of the game, Brady throws a perfect strike to Branch who lets the ball bounce off his hand to the defender.

You lose.

Your guy did everything correctly, his guy did everything wrong.

You are punished, he is rewarded.

Not too many things dumber than minus points for INTs'.

Rub of the green rule.