Missing Malaysian jet news (2 Viewers)

[TheAristocrat]

Whoever said this nut job did it for Allah is the winner. We just need to figure out was it was.

What?

Afterall this time not one person can come up with a rationale theory which makes any sense or matches with what is known. We are left with an irrationale act and what is more irrationale than a nut driven by crazy religious beliefs?

You mean, like some posters on this site, including yourself?

 

[C & C]

I'm sure someone answered this, but how do they know the the sharp turn was programmed and at what time?

I haven't heard this explained either. I did hear an interviewee on CNN or Fox asking how do they know this information and the host pretty much ignored him.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

CNN did a bunch of internet searching on the pilot and found he was sympathetic to atheists.

 

[Doug B]

Ridiculous spitball:

I wonder if the co-pilot let a woman up front (as he had done in the past), and she inadvertently sat on the flight computer's keyboard? Or brushed the keyboard with her leg or something? See this pic - there's a flight computer at the pilot's right knee and an identical one at the co-pilot's left knee. Not too different, in effect, from a cat jumping on a laptop keyboard and typing "wuiofwkcudgib" or something.

 

[C & C]

My apologies if this was already posted...

I saw an interesting interview on Fox last night; Hannity interviewing a retired Lt. General...

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/hannity/2014/03/19/malaysia-airlines-jet-held-terrorists-pakistan

Malaysia Airlines jet held by terrorists in Pakistan?By Sean Hannity
Published March 19, 2014 | FoxNews.com

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This is a rush transcript from "Hannity," March 18, 2014. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

SEAN HANNITY, HOST: This is a Fox News alert. My next guest, Lieutenant General Tom McInerney was among the very first to say that the Malaysian Airliner's jetliner could have been hijacked and it could have landed in Pakistan. Today he's doubling down on that claim, and he's here now to join us and explain what he means by that.

General, good to see you. Thank you for being with us.

RET. LT. GEN. TOM MCINERNEY: Thanks for having me, Sean.

HANNITY: My first question was, because this was a relatively short flight from Malaysia to Beijing, usually they don't fill an airplane, they don't maximize the fuel capability on a shorter flight because it means they don't want to land with all that fuel. For this flight to take place to Pakistan, my first thought, would they have had the fuel capacity, because that seems to be at the maximum level -- distance level of that aircraft?

MCINERNEY: That's a very good question, Sean. As it turns out, we got the last ping seven hours after takeoff. For whatever reason, they apparently had put more fuel into it. It may be there standard practice, so they don't have to buy fuel in Beijing, it may be more expensive, I don't know. But I'm taking the data that says they got a ping -- their last ping was seven hours after.

HANNITY: How long would that flight have been, just to give our audience some coordinates here, from where it took off, if it landed in Pakistan, how long would that be?

MCINERNEY: It's about 3,500 miles, seven hours, 500 miles through, let's say. So -- and they went north for a part -- say 3,000 miles, 3,200 miles, something like that. Of course there now appears to be evidence that there was a direct course through India flying in the shadow of a Singapore Flight 68. That hasn't been verified. The only thing that I have seen that is starting to become verified is the report from Boeing saying they believe the airplane was in Pakistan, which I talked about on Friday.

HANNITY: General, I've known you a long time. I know you too well to know that you're not just making this up, this isn't something you've concocted. You've spoken to a number of people, am I correct?

MCINERNEY: Yes, but that's all I want to say, Sean, please.

HANNITY: Fair enough. And you believe this plane is intact and that this plane landed?

MCINERNEY: I do.

HANNITY: What about the passengers of this plane? Do you know anything about that?

MCINERNEY: I don't know anything about their status. What I do know is the most sensors that we have in the world are in that region. They're not in the south of the Indian Ocean. We have a lot of sensors up there so we have a lot of capabilities. And I believe with Rolls-Royce and with Boeing as well as the U.S. government, we know a lot more than is coming out. I suspect we may in the next 24 to 48 hours start hearing from either the Malaysian government or the Pakistani government. If the Pakistani government doesn't talk soon, they're going to be complicit in this.

HANNITY: For this plane, if it would have landed in Pakistan, the Pakistanis would have had to know that?

MCINERNEY: Yes.

HANNITY: The mystery -- is there anything else -- look, I don't want to press this, because I sense you're threading a needle here. Is there anything else that you can share with our audience besides the fact that you think we'll know a lot more in 24 to 48 hours about this? Do you -- and what do you fear most might happen if in fact what you're saying is true?

MCINERNEY: First of all, let me say, when the U.S. Navy quits their search, their ship search, they must know something in the Indian Ocean. When the Israeli defense forces, when they increase their air defense alert, they must know something. They are questioning people further out. For those people that say, well, even with the transponder off, they've have gotten a ping. Most people don't realize the crew on at 2, 3, 4 in the morning is not the A-Team and they primarily use transponders. So it doesn't surprise me that this could have happened the way I am describing it. So --

HANNITY: So this would explain -- go ahead, I'm sorry, sir.

MCINERNEY: Well, and the airplane would have landed 8 o'clock Kuala Lumpur time, 3 o'clock Pakistani time in the morning -- excuse me, 5 o'clock. There's a three hour difference, so it would have been dark. Anyone who says they saw this overfly the Maldives or whatever, it was dark. I don't see how anybody could say that.

There's been a lot of strange information put out on altitudes and a whole host of things, and a lot of it's come from the Malaysian government, so we've got to be able to sort through this. My concern is, if this airplane could be used as a bearer of a weapon of mass destruction or even conventional munitions that could attack a carrier, the Israelis, other allies, American forces, for instance, we have to be very alert until we know exactly where this airplane is.

HANNITY: That would mean that the -- at this point, you said that the Pakistanis, if they don't speak up soon they would be complicit. I would argue they're complicit now by not sharing their information and intelligence about this with the world. Is that a fair observation?

MCINERNEY: I think that's a fair observation. The way the Boeing report came out, it said the air field was in Taliban controlled areas. Well, I think that's saying in western Pakistan. And there are three primary bases, two are main operating bases and one is a satellite base that could handle this aircraft in the Pakistani air force. There are other falcon bases, but I'll talk about that later.

HANNITY: So your theory, and I'm interpreting here that this is based on information that you are putting together, that would explain away the transponder purposely being turned off and other communications being turned off. That would explain the ping that lasted up to seven hours later, when you consider the timeframe flying out and changing course. It would also explain that the flight path altered by computer command and not by manual control. So what answer -- your theory would answer all those questions, right?

MCINERNEY: It would. And I believe both pilots may have been complicit, I believe that -- remember, they turned off -- they didn't turn off communications, they turned off navigation aids. They didn't turn off their HF radio, their VHF radio, their UHF radio. So they had the sat com. So they had communications that they listening to what was going on and, I think, probably transmitting to the location they were going to. That's why I think the U.S. vacuum cleaners -- those sensors that picked up all this stuff, have probably been able to detect more than we're getting.

HANNITY: OK, so there's a very good possibility that the United States knows much more than it's saying and that we'll probably find out in the days ahead?

MCINERNEY: I think they do, and I think they want to be very cautious because they don't want to embarrass certain other nations that we're working close with, et cetera, and -- but the best leaks have come out of the U.S. government.

HANNITY: All right, general, thank you for being with us, appreciate it.

 

[Fat Nick]

Ridiculous spitball:

I wonder if the co-pilot let a woman up front (as he had done in the past), and she inadvertently sat on the flight computer's keyboard? Or brushed the keyboard with her leg or something? See this pic - there's a flight computer at the pilot's right knee and an identical one at the co-pilot's left knee. Not too different, in effect, from a cat jumping on a laptop keyboard and typing "wuiofwkcudgib" or something.

I think it'd be more appropriate to liken it to a cat jumping on a laptop keyboard and typing, "Hi I'm a cat and I just typed this randomly by jumping."

The odds of just randomly hitting keys and programming a course to a real way-point nearby is slim to none. Heck, I had a hard enough time programming small aircraft GPS when I was TRYING to.

 

[Doug B]

First I've seen of it, C & C. Good posting.

That would be insane. But heck -- what can you really rule out at this point?

 

[Fat Nick]

First I've seen of it, C & C. Good posting.

That would be insane. But heck -- what can you really rule out at this point?

Sure carries a lot of weight when the guy is a retired general with a track record on the show...I mean, you wouldn't want to talk out your @## when the story is directly tied to your name.

 

[NCCommish]

McInerney is a birther, an Iraq war apologist and a Benghazi jerk off. He is one of Fox's pet generals. Not much of a source for anything reality based.

 

[KCitons]

McInerney is a birther, an Iraq war apologist and a Benghazi jerk off. He is one of Fox's pet generals. Not much of a source for anything reality based.

where was this copy/pasted from?

 

[C & C]

First I've seen of it, C & C. Good posting.

That would be insane. But heck -- what can you really rule out at this point?

Sure carries a lot of weight when the guy is a retired general with a track record on the show...I mean, you wouldn't want to talk out your @## when the story is directly tied to your name.

This is the part that got me...

MCINERNEY: I think that's a fair observation. The way the Boeing report came out, it said the air field was in Taliban controlled areas. Well, I think that's saying in western Pakistan. And there are three primary bases, two are main operating bases and one is a satellite base that could handle this aircraft in the Pakistani air force.

To me, the only way to read this is he was privy to a report from Boeing that says it's in Pakistan. (whether he actually saw the report or is getting his info second hand who knows).

 

[NCCommish]

McInerney is a birther, an Iraq war apologist and a Benghazi jerk off. He is one of Fox's pet generals. Not much of a source for anything reality based.

where was this copy/pasted from?

I don't copy/paste without attribution. Those are my own words.

 

[Doug B]

Ridiculous spitball:

I wonder if the co-pilot let a woman up front (as he had done in the past), and she inadvertently sat on the flight computer's keyboard? Or brushed the keyboard with her leg or something? See this pic - there's a flight computer at the pilot's right knee and an identical one at the co-pilot's left knee. Not too different, in effect, from a cat jumping on a laptop keyboard and typing "wuiofwkcudgib" or something.

I think it'd be more appropriate to liken it to a cat jumping on a laptop keyboard and typing, "Hi I'm a cat and I just typed this randomly by jumping."

The odds of just randomly hitting keys and programming a course to a real way-point nearby is slim to none. Heck, I had a hard enough time programming small aircraft GPS when I was TRYING to.

I'd have thought so, too, but two things:

a) apparently, only seven or eight keystrokes are necessary to change a course, and

b) it might not have been set to an intentional destination (coutner to Goodfellow's analysis) -- it might simply have been sent westward

Really dumb spitball:

c) the pilot might have had a re-route "pre-programmed" as kind of a "something I always do in case we have to ditch early" routine. What I mean by pre-programmed is that he keyed it all in, but got to some kind of screen like "Do you really want to change course? [OK][Abort]" ... and then left it there. The idea being that if he had to re-route shortly after take-off, he could do so with a single button-push. Once they got far enough along, he'd go ahead and abort ... might have been something he set up on hundreds of flights without issue.

Anyway. With the flight computer so set, co-pilot's lady friend comes up front and accepts an invite to sit in the co-pilot's chair. She does so clumsily, inadvertently approving the re-route by brushing against an ENTER key..

Or really, with human error and all ... hypothetically, one of the flight crew could have bumped into the ENTER key. Implausible, to be sure -- but something implausible brought this thing down, right?

 

[BroadwayG]

Is there any actual news in these 62 pages or is it all speculation and namecalling?

 

[TheIronSheik]

McInerney is a birther, an Iraq war apologist and a Benghazi jerk off. He is one of Fox's pet generals. Not much of a source for anything reality based.

where was this copy/pasted from?

"I don't copy/paste without attribution." - NCC

Those are my own words.

Then you should put it in quotes. Here, I fixed it for you.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

I would say that the general is right in saying that you follow the U.S. ships for the right info. Like I said earlier in the thread, we don't chase things with war ships willy nilly. The Israeli air defense stuff could just be making sure that plane didn't in fact land somewhere. We probably have more surveillance on Pakistan than any other place in the world, I think it's unlikely it landed there. Now Turkmenistan...

 

[KCitons]

McInerney is a birther, an Iraq war apologist and a Benghazi jerk off. He is one of Fox's pet generals. Not much of a source for anything reality based.

where was this copy/pasted from?

I don't copy/paste without attribution. Those are my own words.

the original comment had a grey background, which usually means it is linked to something. Was wanting to read more.

 

[TheIronSheik]

Is there any actual news in these 62 pages or is it all speculation and namecalling?

Some data was erased from the simulator. Therefore the plane must have been hijacked to Pakistan.

I'm not sure why you're having trouble following this.

 

[Doug B]

McInerney is a birther, an Iraq war apologist and a Benghazi jerk off. He is one of Fox's pet generals. Not much of a source for anything reality based.

As noted, his theory would be insane

It's interesting ... should he turn out wrong, he'll never be called on it.

 

[Doug B]

Is there any actual news in these 62 pages or is it all speculation and namecalling?

There's no real news beyond the speculation, really. The facts that are publicly know are fairly mundane and not particularly helpful in locating the plane.

Also, there's good, informed speculation ... and harebrained speculation. And lots in between.

 

[Fat Nick]

But didn't the Taliban and Pakistan both say that they didn't have it?

 

[NCCommish]

McInerney is a birther, an Iraq war apologist and a Benghazi jerk off. He is one of Fox's pet generals. Not much of a source for anything reality based.

where was this copy/pasted from?

I don't copy/paste without attribution. Those are my own words.

the original comment had a grey background, which usually means it is linked to something. Was wanting to read more.

Weird. Son't have one link to give you. Try searching his name on Media Matters they probably have some stuff. But I promise I didn't copy/paste that sentence from anywhere. Even though I don't think any of the sentences were run ons.

 

[KCitons]

But didn't the Taliban and Pakistan both say that they didn't have it?

that's good enough for me.

 

[KCitons]

McInerney is a birther, an Iraq war apologist and a Benghazi jerk off. He is one of Fox's pet generals. Not much of a source for anything reality based.

where was this copy/pasted from?

I don't copy/paste without attribution. Those are my own words.

the original comment had a grey background, which usually means it is linked to something. Was wanting to read more.

Weird. Son't have one link to give you. Try searching his name on Media Matters they probably have some stuff. But I promise I didn't copy/paste that sentence from anywhere. Even though I don't think any of the sentences were run ons.

Must be an anomaly on my monitor. Just checked, it says made in Malaysia on the back.

 

[Fat Nick]

Must be an anomaly on my monitor. Just checked, it says made in Malaysia on the back.

 

[Doug B]

Is there any actual news in these 62 pages or is it all speculation and namecalling?

Some data was erased from the simulator.

Was looking at CNN during lunch ... they are hammering the heck out of the "data was erased" angle.

Maybe the guy was just clearing out tons of saved flights to clear hard drive space? Why jump straight to a sinister conclusion?

 

[Hot Diggity Dog]

How the heck would you get a 777 any where close to an aircraft carrier? They shoot down anti ship missiles for heaven sakes. Also not sure why it would be better or easier than putting a wmd on a ship or a missle?

 

[CBusAlex]

I still think Freescale Semiconductor is involved in this but not for reasons people think. They are based in TX and have ties to SMU, I think all of this somehow ties into CJK5H

#CJKMH370

 

[NCCommish]

McInerney is a birther, an Iraq war apologist and a Benghazi jerk off. He is one of Fox's pet generals. Not much of a source for anything reality based.

where was this copy/pasted from?

I don't copy/paste without attribution. Those are my own words.

the original comment had a grey background, which usually means it is linked to something. Was wanting to read more.

Weird. Son't have one link to give you. Try searching his name on Media Matters they probably have some stuff. But I promise I didn't copy/paste that sentence from anywhere. Even though I don't think any of the sentences were run ons.

Must be an anomaly on my monitor. Just checked, it says made in Malaysia on the back.

Well played sir

 

[TheIronSheik]

But didn't the Taliban and Pakistan both say that they didn't have it?

Probably one of the few times I believe these guys.

 

[TheIronSheik]

Is there any actual news in these 62 pages or is it all speculation and namecalling?

Some data was erased from the simulator.

Was looking at CNN during lunch ... they are hammering the heck out of the "data was erased" angle.

Maybe the guy was just clearing out tons of saved flights to clear hard drive space? Why jump straight to a sinister conclusion?

It's the only logical answer.

 

[Loan Sharks]

McInerney is a birther, an Iraq war apologist and a Benghazi jerk off. He is one of Fox's pet generals. Not much of a source for anything reality based.

That is way more than 4 words.

 

[Nathan R. Jessep]

First I've seen of it, C & C. Good posting.

That would be insane. But heck -- what can you really rule out at this point?

Sure carries a lot of weight when the guy is a retired general with a track record on the show...I mean, you wouldn't want to talk out your @## when the story is directly tied to your name.

This is the part that got me...

MCINERNEY: I think that's a fair observation. The way the Boeing report came out, it said the air field was in Taliban controlled areas. Well, I think that's saying in western Pakistan. And there are three primary bases, two are main operating bases and one is a satellite base that could handle this aircraft in the Pakistani air force.

To me, the only way to read this is he was privy to a report from Boeing that says it's in Pakistan. (whether he actually saw the report or is getting his info second hand who knows).

I wondered if I had missed a report or something... first I'd seen of this Taliban airfield

 

[Brony]

Is there any actual news in these 62 pages or is it all speculation and namecalling?

Some data was erased from the simulator.

Was looking at CNN during lunch ... they are hammering the heck out of the "data was erased" angle.

Maybe the guy was just clearing out tons of saved flights to clear hard drive space? Why jump straight to a sinister conclusion?

But the motive is right there in the computer

 

[C & C]

I wondered if I had missed a report or something... first I'd seen of this Taliban airfield

My first thought last night watching it was...Why would we allow the Taliban to control an airfield? I just can't see the US letting that happen. Maybe the general is just a nutjob and wants some limelight.

 

[Fat Nick]

Was looking at CNN during lunch ... they are hammering the heck out of the "data was erased" angle.

Maybe the guy was just clearing out tons of saved flights to clear hard drive space? Why jump straight to a sinister conclusion?

Not to mention they were deleted in February. I guess deleting anything is suspicious these days.

I'd hate to think of the conclusions they'd make from my random deleted files if I died tomorrow.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

I haven't followed a news story this closely since Ronald McDonald got arrested for soliciting a prostitute.

 

[TheIronSheik]

Was looking at CNN during lunch ... they are hammering the heck out of the "data was erased" angle.

Maybe the guy was just clearing out tons of saved flights to clear hard drive space? Why jump straight to a sinister conclusion?

Not to mention they were deleted in February. I guess deleting anything is suspicious these days.

I'd hate to think of the conclusions they'd make from my random deleted files if I died tomorrow.

You deleted something? Excuse me while I make a phone call.

:IfYouSeeSomethingSaySomething:

 

[Hot Diggity Dog]

But didn't the Taliban and Pakistan both say that they didn't have it?

Probably one of the few times I believe these guys.

Must be tough to be the guy in the room that always has to deny things. No I did not, repeat not,take the jet liner. I swear dude, really!

 

[TheIronSheik]

I don't get why the families are getting so upset at the airline.

I mean, I understand that they are grieving and that they are going through a horrible time. That, I get. But why are they mad at the airline? Do they think they are hiding something? The whole world is looking for this airplane. I feel like everyone is doing everything they can possibly do.

 

[Fat Nick]

I don't get why the families are getting so upset at the airline.

I mean, I understand that they are grieving and that they are going through a horrible time. That, I get. But why are they mad at the airline? Do they think they are hiding something? The whole world is looking for this airplane. I feel like everyone is doing everything they can possibly do.

I guess they're on to stage 2...

Stage 1 was clearly the cell phone thing...

 

[Doctor Detroit]

I don't get why the families are getting so upset at the airline.

I mean, I understand that they are grieving and that they are going through a horrible time. That, I get. But why are they mad at the airline? Do they think they are hiding something? The whole world is looking for this airplane. I feel like everyone is doing everything they can possibly do.

If this was an American plane owned by the U.S. government, you don't think the families of the missing would get upset at the airline/government?

 

[Fat Nick]

I don't get why the families are getting so upset at the airline.

I mean, I understand that they are grieving and that they are going through a horrible time. That, I get. But why are they mad at the airline? Do they think they are hiding something? The whole world is looking for this airplane. I feel like everyone is doing everything they can possibly do.

If this was an American plane owned by the U.S. government, you don't think the families of the missing would get upset at the airline/government?

Americans tend to skip stage 1 and go straight to stage 2...

 

[TheIronSheik]

I don't get why the families are getting so upset at the airline.

I mean, I understand that they are grieving and that they are going through a horrible time. That, I get. But why are they mad at the airline? Do they think they are hiding something? The whole world is looking for this airplane. I feel like everyone is doing everything they can possibly do.

If this was an American plane owned by the U.S. government, you don't think the families of the missing would get upset at the airline/government?

I don't. I'm not saying I'm right, by any means. But it just seems odd.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

I don't get why the families are getting so upset at the airline.

I mean, I understand that they are grieving and that they are going through a horrible time. That, I get. But why are they mad at the airline? Do they think they are hiding something? The whole world is looking for this airplane. I feel like everyone is doing everything they can possibly do.

If this was an American plane owned by the U.S. government, you don't think the families of the missing would get upset at the airline/government?

I don't. I'm not saying I'm right, by any means. But it just seems odd.

I get mad at the airline when they lose my luggage. Can't imagine what I'd do if they lost one of my loved ones.

 

[Abraham]

I don't get why the families are getting so upset at the airline.

I mean, I understand that they are grieving and that they are going through a horrible time. That, I get. But why are they mad at the airline? Do they think they are hiding something? The whole world is looking for this airplane. I feel like everyone is doing everything they can possibly do.

If this was an American plane owned by the U.S. government, you don't think the families of the missing would get upset at the airline/government?

Americans tend to skip stage 1 and go straight to wanting money from someone for no valid reason.

FTFY.

 

[Fat Nick]

I don't get why the families are getting so upset at the airline.

I mean, I understand that they are grieving and that they are going through a horrible time. That, I get. But why are they mad at the airline? Do they think they are hiding something? The whole world is looking for this airplane. I feel like everyone is doing everything they can possibly do.

If this was an American plane owned by the U.S. government, you don't think the families of the missing would get upset at the airline/government?

Americans tend to skip stage 1 and go straight to wanting money from someone for no valid reason.

FTFY.

That works.

 

[PatsWillWin]

Can someone just PM me when something changes for realz? TIA.

 

[Smack Tripper]

I don't get why the families are getting so upset at the airline.

I mean, I understand that they are grieving and that they are going through a horrible time. That, I get. But why are they mad at the airline? Do they think they are hiding something? The whole world is looking for this airplane. I feel like everyone is doing everything they can possibly do.

If this was an American plane owned by the U.S. government, you don't think the families of the missing would get upset at the airline/government?

I don't. I'm not saying I'm right, by any means. But it just seems odd.

I think they're mad at shifting narrative put forth. It screams ineptitude or coverup, and neither one is really something to embrace.

 

[lod01]

But didn't the Taliban and Pakistan both say that they didn't have it?

Probably one of the few times I believe these guys.

You could walk up on those guys refueling it and painting over 'Malaysian airlines' and they wouldn't say it's theirs.