Missing Malaysian jet news (1 Viewer)

[fantasycurse42]

I feel like terrorism... Plane disappears from the map in perfect weather at cruising altitude, with at least two & possibly four or more others traveling with false documentation - two of which we know bought their tickets together. The FBI is also now investigating terrorism too...

We'll find out what happened, but this isn't a situation where people should be standing around saying I told you so. We are all entitled to our own opinion & the reasons above are why I came to mine.

 

[El Floppo]

Seems kind of stupid to rule anything out at this point, i mean they havent even found the wreckage yet. Not sure why some feel the need to be right on either side.

you are WRONG

 

[Aerial Assault]

Has any terror group claimed responsibility for this thread?

 

[MAC_32]

So the it was not an attack crowd still haven't suggested a reasonable alternative. I'm stunned.

Take a few minutes and read this page.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_France_Flight_447

weather issues (none here) and there were signals sent, mind boggling pilot error too - with the experience on board this plane, tough to imagine.

 

[Tom Servo]

I feel like terrorism... Plane disappears from the map in perfect weather at cruising altitude, with at least two & possibly four or more others traveling with false documentation - two of which we know bought their tickets together. The FBI is also now investigating terrorism too...

We'll find out what happened, but this isn't a situation where people should be standing around saying I told you so. We are all entitled to our own opinion & the reasons above are why I came to mine.

I'm leaning toward catastrophic failure but I agree with your sentiments. Kicking around theories is OK; looking to be "right" about this is rather ghoulish IMO.

 

[Mr. Retukes]

Not to rehash the parachute thing. But, would it be too much to ask to have the black box and/or the voice recorder eject from the plane? And maybe even float? Seems like it would save time and money.

Why can't they just make the whole plane out of the same material that they use to make the black box??

 

[KCitons]

Not to rehash the parachute thing. But, would it be too much to ask to have the black box and/or the voice recorder eject from the plane? And maybe even float? Seems like it would save time and money.

Why can't they just make the whole plane out of the same material that they use to make the black box??

Too heavy, wouldn't fly

 

[fantasycurse42]

I feel like terrorism... Plane disappears from the map in perfect weather at cruising altitude, with at least two & possibly four or more others traveling with false documentation - two of which we know bought their tickets together. The FBI is also now investigating terrorism too...

We'll find out what happened, but this isn't a situation where people should be standing around saying I told you so. We are all entitled to our own opinion & the reasons above are why I came to mine.

I'm leaning toward catastrophic failure but I agree with your sentiments. Kicking around theories is OK; looking to be "right" about this is rather ghoulish IMO.

Always a possibility & can't be dismissed - I just can't get by the pilot having 30 years experience, perfect weather, the plane at cruising altitude, & the plane being inspected 10 days ago.

 

[timschochet]

No, terrorism is not likely at this point. That doesn't mean it's not terrorism. But somebody is supposed to take credit for it. That's kind of the point.

From what I've read, you're probably right that terrorism is unlikely.

But the bolded part is not really a good argument, at least at this point. Terrorist groups don't always take credit immediately. It can take days, even weeks. Sometimes competing groups take credit for the same action.

 

[Apple Jack]

I feel like terrorism... Plane disappears from the map in perfect weather at cruising altitude, with at least two & possibly four or more others traveling with false documentation - two of which we know bought their tickets together. The FBI is also now investigating terrorism too...

We'll find out what happened, but this isn't a situation where people should be standing around saying I told you so. We are all entitled to our own opinion & the reasons above are why I came to mine.

I'm leaning toward catastrophic failure but I agree with your sentiments. Kicking around theories is OK; looking to be "right" about this is rather ghoulish IMO.

Always a possibility & can't be dismissed - I just can't get by the pilot having 30 years experience, perfect weather, the plane at cruising altitude, & the plane being inspected 10 days ago.

Again...447.

 

[Apple Jack]

No, terrorism is not likely at this point. That doesn't mean it's not terrorism. But somebody is supposed to take credit for it. That's kind of the point.

From what I've read, you're probably right that terrorism is unlikely.

But the bolded part is not really a good argument, at least at this point. Terrorist groups don't always take credit immediately. It can take days, even weeks. Sometimes competing groups take credit for the same action.

I'm not saying it's "unlikely". I'm saying it's no more likely than anything else.

 

[fantasycurse42]

I feel like terrorism... Plane disappears from the map in perfect weather at cruising altitude, with at least two & possibly four or more others traveling with false documentation - two of which we know bought their tickets together. The FBI is also now investigating terrorism too...

We'll find out what happened, but this isn't a situation where people should be standing around saying I told you so. We are all entitled to our own opinion & the reasons above are why I came to mine.

I'm leaning toward catastrophic failure but I agree with your sentiments. Kicking around theories is OK; looking to be "right" about this is rather ghoulish IMO.

Always a possibility & can't be dismissed - I just can't get by the pilot having 30 years experience, perfect weather, the plane at cruising altitude, & the plane being inspected 10 days ago.

The one thing that is confusing to me is why nobody s taking credit if it was terrorism...

But not everything is big organized Al Qaeda like terror... Could be a small group of crazy extremists or part of a larger plot, who knows...

 

[timschochet]

Regarding the false documentation- I wonder how often that happens, for whatever reason. I honestly don't know the answer. But there are thousands of large plane flights every year. If a few hundred people per year (a tiny number, in ratio) use false documents, then we can surmise that it's not necessarily related to what happened.

 

[timschochet]

No, terrorism is not likely at this point. That doesn't mean it's not terrorism. But somebody is supposed to take credit for it. That's kind of the point.

From what I've read, you're probably right that terrorism is unlikely.

But the bolded part is not really a good argument, at least at this point. Terrorist groups don't always take credit immediately. It can take days, even weeks. Sometimes competing groups take credit for the same action.

I'm not saying it's "unlikely". I'm saying it's no more likely than anything else.

You just wrote it's not likely. How is that different from "unlikely"? (FWIW, I agree with you- or at least, I agree with what I thought you wrote.)

 

[KCitons]

Regarding the false documentation- I wonder how often that happens, for whatever reason. I honestly don't know the answer. But there are thousands of large plane flights every year. If a few hundred people per year (a tiny number, in ratio) use false documents, then we can surmise that it's not necessarily related to what happened.

When this was first reported, I thought it was a pretty big deal. But there are quite a few articles that have come out since, stating this is not an uncommon occurrence.

 

[Apple Jack]

No, terrorism is not likely at this point. That doesn't mean it's not terrorism. But somebody is supposed to take credit for it. That's kind of the point.

From what I've read, you're probably right that terrorism is unlikely.

But the bolded part is not really a good argument, at least at this point. Terrorist groups don't always take credit immediately. It can take days, even weeks. Sometimes competing groups take credit for the same action.

I'm not saying it's "unlikely". I'm saying it's no more likely than anything else.

You just wrote it's not likely. How is that different from "unlikely"? (FWIW, I agree with you- or at least, I agree with what I thought you wrote.)

Not necessarily likely and unlikely are two different things.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

I feel like terrorism... Plane disappears from the map in perfect weather at cruising altitude, with at least two & possibly four or more others traveling with false documentation - two of which we know bought their tickets together. The FBI is also now investigating terrorism too...

If it was a bomb there would be a huge debris field, which there is no sign of. I suppose it could have been some sort of hijacking gone wrong, but catastrophic mechanical failure seems a lot more likely than terrorism IMO. It took several years to figure out what happened to Air France 447, we could be looking at similar circumstances here.

 

[Lutherman2112]

For the truly logical thinkers. Here is a link to an identical aircraft that caught fire on the runway.

http://www.avherald.com/h?article=44078aa7&opt=0

 

[MAC_32]

For the truly logical thinkers. Here is a link to an identical aircraft that caught fire on the runway.

http://www.avherald.com/h?article=44078aa7&opt=0

if it caught fire mid air, why no distress call before the plane fell apart?

 

[fantasycurse42]

Regarding the false documentation- I wonder how often that happens, for whatever reason. I honestly don't know the answer. But there are thousands of large plane flights every year. If a few hundred people per year (a tiny number, in ratio) use false documents, then we can surmise that it's not necessarily related to what happened.

Two people with stolen passports on a plane is one piece of information...a further piece is that these two individuals bought their tickets together and then had separate end destinations - To me this where the information goes from slightly random to relevant.

 

[MAC_32]

I feel like terrorism... Plane disappears from the map in perfect weather at cruising altitude, with at least two & possibly four or more others traveling with false documentation - two of which we know bought their tickets together. The FBI is also now investigating terrorism too...

If it was a bomb there would be a huge debris field, which there is no sign of. I suppose it could have been some sort of hijacking gone wrong, but catastrophic mechanical failure seems a lot more likely than terrorism IMO. It took several years to figure out what happened to Air France 447, we could be looking at similar circumstances here.

from what I have read investigators believe the debrit field indicates whatever happened occurred at 35k

 

[fantasycurse42]

I feel like terrorism... Plane disappears from the map in perfect weather at cruising altitude, with at least two & possibly four or more others traveling with false documentation - two of which we know bought their tickets together. The FBI is also now investigating terrorism too...

If it was a bomb there would be a huge debris field, which there is no sign of. I suppose it could have been some sort of hijacking gone wrong, but catastrophic mechanical failure seems a lot more likely than terrorism IMO. It took several years to figure out what happened to Air France 447, we could be looking at similar circumstances here.

Def in the realm of possibilities... We're just in speculation mode right now.

 

[Politician Spock]

I feel like terrorism... Plane disappears from the map in perfect weather at cruising altitude, with at least two & possibly four or more others traveling with false documentation - two of which we know bought their tickets together. The FBI is also now investigating terrorism too...

If it was a bomb there would be a huge debris field, which there is no sign of. I suppose it could have been some sort of hijacking gone wrong, but catastrophic mechanical failure seems a lot more likely than terrorism IMO. It took several years to figure out what happened to Air France 447, we could be looking at similar circumstances here.

It could have been a small bomb that caused catastrophic mechanical failure. Bombs don't have to be so big to create a huge debris field.

 

[KCitons]

I feel like terrorism... Plane disappears from the map in perfect weather at cruising altitude, with at least two & possibly four or more others traveling with false documentation - two of which we know bought their tickets together. The FBI is also now investigating terrorism too...

If it was a bomb there would be a huge debris field, which there is no sign of. I suppose it could have been some sort of hijacking gone wrong, but catastrophic mechanical failure seems a lot more likely than terrorism IMO. It took several years to figure out what happened to Air France 447, we could be looking at similar circumstances here.

Yet.

They've moved their search from one side of Malaysia to the other. Who knows what they may find, and where they find it.

 

[Apple Jack]

Regarding the false documentation- I wonder how often that happens, for whatever reason. I honestly don't know the answer. But there are thousands of large plane flights every year. If a few hundred people per year (a tiny number, in ratio) use false documents, then we can surmise that it's not necessarily related to what happened.

Two people with stolen passports on a plane is one piece of information...a further piece is that these two individuals bought their tickets together and then had separate end destinations - To me this where the information goes from slightly random to relevant.

Why do you think two different destinations is a smoking gun?

 

[Koya]

For the truly logical thinkers. Here is a link to an identical aircraft that caught fire on the runway.

http://www.avherald.com/h?article=44078aa7&opt=0

if it caught fire mid air, why no distress call before the plane fell apart?

Saw in an interview with Capt. Sully who said your first job is to get control of the aircraft before communicating, and it's possible that there was not enough time to react. Obviously the problem could not be corrected so perhaps there was no time / chance to communicate.

 

[Billy Bats]

Regarding the false documentation- I wonder how often that happens, for whatever reason. I honestly don't know the answer. But there are thousands of large plane flights every year. If a few hundred people per year (a tiny number, in ratio) use false documents, then we can surmise that it's not necessarily related to what happened.

Two people with stolen passports on a plane is one piece of information...a further piece is that these two individuals bought their tickets together and then had separate end destinations - To me this where the information goes from slightly random to relevant.

If they knew they had no real end destinations, wouldn't they both purchase the cheapest one? Why choose two separate destinations if you're a terrorist?

 

[mr roboto]

Do we have this figured out yet?

 

[drummer]

Do we have this figured out yet?

Yeah, God hates peens.

 

[Lutherman2112]

For the truly logical thinkers. Here is a link to an identical aircraft that caught fire on the runway.

http://www.avherald.com/h?article=44078aa7&opt=0

if it caught fire mid air, why no distress call before the plane fell apart?

Take some time and read the link. In addition, canned O2 and fire will exceed 800°F.

 

[DiStefano]

For the truly logical thinkers. Here is a link to an identical aircraft that caught fire on the runway.

http://www.avherald.com/h?article=44078aa7&opt=0

if it caught fire mid air, why no distress call before the plane fell apart?

Saw in an interview with Capt. Sully who said your first job is to get control of the aircraft before communicating, and it's possible that there was not enough time to react. Obviously the problem could not be corrected so perhaps there was no time / chance to communicate.

The heck with getting control of the aircraft. It is interfering with the people's right to know.

 

[fantasycurse42]

Regarding the false documentation- I wonder how often that happens, for whatever reason. I honestly don't know the answer. But there are thousands of large plane flights every year. If a few hundred people per year (a tiny number, in ratio) use false documents, then we can surmise that it's not necessarily related to what happened.

Two people with stolen passports on a plane is one piece of information...a further piece is that these two individuals bought their tickets together and then had separate end destinations - To me this where the information goes from slightly random to relevant.

Why do you think two different destinations is a smoking gun?

Why are two guys with stolen identification buying tickets together but traveling to different locations? They obviously knew eachother and bought the tickets together. It doesn't make sense to me... Like a square peg in a round hole.

 

[fantasycurse42]

Regarding the false documentation- I wonder how often that happens, for whatever reason. I honestly don't know the answer. But there are thousands of large plane flights every year. If a few hundred people per year (a tiny number, in ratio) use false documents, then we can surmise that it's not necessarily related to what happened.

Two people with stolen passports on a plane is one piece of information...a further piece is that these two individuals bought their tickets together and then had separate end destinations - To me this where the information goes from slightly random to relevant.

If they knew they had no real end destinations, wouldn't they both purchase the cheapest one? Why choose two separate destinations if you're a terrorist?

If your intention is too die, does the cost bother you? If I knew tomorrow was my last day, I'm going to Five Guys and not INO.

 

[jon_mx]

Regarding the false documentation- I wonder how often that happens, for whatever reason. I honestly don't know the answer. But there are thousands of large plane flights every year. If a few hundred people per year (a tiny number, in ratio) use false documents, then we can surmise that it's not necessarily related to what happened.

Two people with stolen passports on a plane is one piece of information...a further piece is that these two individuals bought their tickets together and then had separate end destinations - To me this where the information goes from slightly random to relevant.

Why do you think two different destinations is a smoking gun?

Why would two people who apparently got their stolen passports from the same source want to fly together on the first segment but then have a different destination. It appears that they did not want the additional scrutiny and VISA that ending up in China would have had. So they had destinations beyond that. Their chosen destination was probably more of a function of the country passport they had and being able to be on the same flight. It is just weird that these two people if they were together had scheduled different destinations but it seemed important to them that they were on this same flight. .

 

[Doctor Detroit]

I feel like terrorism... Plane disappears from the map in perfect weather at cruising altitude, with at least two & possibly four or more others traveling with false documentation - two of which we know bought their tickets together. The FBI is also now investigating terrorism too...

If it was a bomb there would be a huge debris field, which there is no sign of. I suppose it could have been some sort of hijacking gone wrong, but catastrophic mechanical failure seems a lot more likely than terrorism IMO. It took several years to figure out what happened to Air France 447, we could be looking at similar circumstances here.

It could have been a small bomb that caused catastrophic mechanical failure. Bombs don't have to be so big to create a huge debris field.

If the plane was at 30k feet and a bomb went off, they would have most likely broken up on the way down. I think a bomb that caused some sort of catastrophic failure would have to be pretty precisely placed, but I guess that's not out of the question. And yes, they could in fact find a debris field but since they found a oil slick there is a good chance the plane hit the water intact.

 

[shadyridr]

I read it was up to four passengers with fake documents, not two

 

[fantasycurse42]

Could someone correct me of I'm wrong about the oil slick:

They found it in the South Chin Sea, but they're search is also now focusing around an area much further west where they may have found small debris or a door... Is this correct? This is confusing to me.

 

[jon_mx]

I read it was up to four passengers with fake documents, not two

I think officials are denying that. It is just these two and they have video of these two and are investigating their real identification.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Could someone correct me of I'm wrong about the oil slick:

They found it in the South Chin Sea, but they're search is also now focusing around an area much further west where they may have found small debris or a door... Is this correct? This is confusing to me.

One promising lead has turned out to be a dead end. A "strange object" spotted by a Singaporean search plane late Sunday afternoon is not debris from the missing jetliner, a U.S. official familiar with the issue told CNN on Sunday.

A U.S. reconnaissance plane "thought it saw something like debris, but it was a false alarm," said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

 

[Rohn Jambo]

Regarding the false documentation- I wonder how often that happens, for whatever reason. I honestly don't know the answer. But there are thousands of large plane flights every year. If a few hundred people per year (a tiny number, in ratio) use false documents, then we can surmise that it's not necessarily related to what happened.

You sound like you really want to want so here are some statistics.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/03/09/stolen-passports-malaysia-flight/6230767/

 

[KCitons]

At this point, reports are confusing at best. I've seen reports where they claim to have found the door and a tail section. I've seen reports that say they had to abandon those pieces of debris last night due to darkness. But, somehow during the night, they came to the conclusion that those pieces were not part of the plane.

There has been one grainy picture of something white floating in the ocean. I don't think this investigation has moved much from where it was 36 hours ago.

 

[Billy Bats]

Regarding the false documentation- I wonder how often that happens, for whatever reason. I honestly don't know the answer. But there are thousands of large plane flights every year. If a few hundred people per year (a tiny number, in ratio) use false documents, then we can surmise that it's not necessarily related to what happened.

Two people with stolen passports on a plane is one piece of information...a further piece is that these two individuals bought their tickets together and then had separate end destinations - To me this where the information goes from slightly random to relevant.

If they knew they had no real end destinations, wouldn't they both purchase the cheapest one? Why choose two separate destinations if you're a terrorist?

If your intention is too die, does the cost bother you? If I knew tomorrow was my last day, I'm going to Five Guys and not INO.

Would make sense to save on the flight and buy a better last meal, no? Well if you're a terrorist with an unlimited bank then it wouldn't matter but why choose two different end destinations? They trying to confuse investigators?

 

[Aerial Assault]

Vietnamese Aviation Blog now reporting that this thread is the FFA comedy highlight of the year.

 

[Apple Jack]

Regarding the false documentation- I wonder how often that happens, for whatever reason. I honestly don't know the answer. But there are thousands of large plane flights every year. If a few hundred people per year (a tiny number, in ratio) use false documents, then we can surmise that it's not necessarily related to what happened.

Two people with stolen passports on a plane is one piece of information...a further piece is that these two individuals bought their tickets together and then had separate end destinations - To me this where the information goes from slightly random to relevant.

Why do you think two different destinations is a smoking gun?

Why would two people who apparently got their stolen passports from the same source want to fly together on the first segment but then have a different destination. It appears that they did not want the additional scrutiny and VISA that ending up in China would have had. So they had destinations beyond that. Their chosen destination was probably more of a function of the country passport they had and being able to be on the same flight. It is just weird that these two people if they were together had scheduled different destinations but it seemed important to them that they were on this same flight. .

I don't know. Could be any number of reasons, including terrorism.

 

[Apple Jack]

Vietnamese Aviation Blog now reporting that this thread is the FFA comedy highlight of the year.

Somebody should point the Aviation Blog to one of the politics or gun threads.

 

[Rohn Jambo]

Regarding the false documentation- I wonder how often that happens, for whatever reason. I honestly don't know the answer. But there are thousands of large plane flights every year. If a few hundred people per year (a tiny number, in ratio) use false documents, then we can surmise that it's not necessarily related to what happened.

Two people with stolen passports on a plane is one piece of information...a further piece is that these two individuals bought their tickets together and then had separate end destinations - To me this where the information goes from slightly random to relevant.

Why do you think two different destinations is a smoking gun?

Why would two people who apparently got their stolen passports from the same source want to fly together on the first segment but then have a different destination. It appears that they did not want the additional scrutiny and VISA that ending up in China would have had. So they had destinations beyond that. Their chosen destination was probably more of a function of the country passport they had and being able to be on the same flight. It is just weird that these two people if they were together had scheduled different destinations but it seemed important to them that they were on this same flight. .

I don't know. Could be any number of reasons, including terrorism.

The two tickets have the same flights for the first two legs only but who knows if they ever intended to get on the 3rd one to Copenhagen/Frankfurt. Like I said, I'm not in the criminal business.http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/large/842775444.png

http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/large/842775482.png

 

[Aerial Assault]

Vietnamese Aviation Blog now reporting that this thread is the FFA comedy highlight of the year.

Somebody should point the Aviation Blog to one of the politics or gun threads.

Those actually aren't the slightest bit funny, though.

 

[fantasycurse42]

Regarding the false documentation- I wonder how often that happens, for whatever reason. I honestly don't know the answer. But there are thousands of large plane flights every year. If a few hundred people per year (a tiny number, in ratio) use false documents, then we can surmise that it's not necessarily related to what happened.

Two people with stolen passports on a plane is one piece of information...a further piece is that these two individuals bought their tickets together and then had separate end destinations - To me this where the information goes from slightly random to relevant.

If they knew they had no real end destinations, wouldn't they both purchase the cheapest one? Why choose two separate destinations if you're a terrorist?

If your intention is too die, does the cost bother you? If I knew tomorrow was my last day, I'm going to Five Guys and not INO.

Would make sense to save on the flight and buy a better last meal, no? Well if you're a terrorist with an unlimited bank then it wouldn't matter but why choose two different end destinations? They trying to confuse investigators?

Pure guess:

China is very strict, can't go there... Chose two countries without the same travel regulations. It doesn't matter where as they have no intention of actually getting there.

 

[KCitons]

There was also a report that 5 passengers never boarded the plane and their luggage was removed from the plane. Do people send their luggage to the airport ahead of time? Then get stuck in traffic.

I guess I would want to know more about these five people as well.

 

[KCitons]

Now they can't find the "door". So, how could they have determined it wasn't part of the plane?