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Over the past 10 days, I've heard numerous pilots say that in the event of a mechanical or electrical failure, they are trained to get the plane under control before communicating a problem? Is it really that difficult to open the mic in order for ATC to at least listen to what is happening? Why are we even messing with cockpit voice recorders? The ATC conversations are recorded in real time.

Flipping one switch that could open the mic, and send a signal to ATC that the plane is under duress. If the pilots are talking to each other, or alarms are heard in the background, it would be obvious that the plane was having problems.

Seems like the norm just leads to a long recovery mission and years of uncertainty as to what causes a crash.
I read something over the past 10 days, forget where, but pilot was saying that when you're in the middle of nowhere, like over the Indian Ocean, getting in contact with someone is a 6-7 step process. He explained why, and I forget the details, but the point was it's not just a simple matter of turning on the mic.

 
Who in here upon learning you are going to crash and die would start tearing hot womens clothes off. :hey:
Who ever gets the hot woman sitting next to you. In 25 years of flying I think I've had that pleasure once. More often its a troglodyte. Your going to have to crawl past that thing and locate the hottie. Then get in line.

 
Over the past 10 days, I've heard numerous pilots say that in the event of a mechanical or electrical failure, they are trained to get the plane under control before communicating a problem? Is it really that difficult to open the mic in order for ATC to at least listen to what is happening? Why are we even messing with cockpit voice recorders? The ATC conversations are recorded in real time.

Flipping one switch that could open the mic, and send a signal to ATC that the plane is under duress. If the pilots are talking to each other, or alarms are heard in the background, it would be obvious that the plane was having problems.

Seems like the norm just leads to a long recovery mission and years of uncertainty as to what causes a crash.
I read something over the past 10 days, forget where, but pilot was saying that when you're in the middle of nowhere, like over the Indian Ocean, getting in contact with someone is a 6-7 step process. He explained why, and I forget the details, but the point was it's not just a simple matter of turning on the mic.
I could understand if they were in the middle of the Indian Ocean. But this plane first deviated from Bejing while over the South China Sea. To get to the Indian Ocean, the plane had to pass over Malaysia and probably Indonesia. This isn't the first air disaster where pilots didn't communicate to ATC while they were trying to get the problem under control. I think that needs to change. It would eliminate a lot of early guessing about pilot suicide, hijacking or wormholes.

I mentioned earlier that the cockpit voice recorder may be useless, since it only records the last 2 hours of info. I've also heard unconfirmed rumors that they black box can be disabled. I would be shocked if this is true.

I'm still at 85% that this was a pilot suicide/hijacking/political statement. The current search area is one of the most difficult places to find and recover a plane. This was either an unlucky coincidence or planned. If turning off the transmitter was planned, so was the crash location.

Also, if the Malaysian gov't his withholding information, pilot suicide and national shame would be a good reason. With a terrorist hijacking, Malaysia is a victim. Just like countless other countries around the world.

 
At this point, is there any chance this was hijacked and landed somewhere? Is it still part of the official investigation or is it just assumed to be in the water somewhere?

I don't think it'll ever be found. Pieces maybe, but not the major part of it.

 
Over the past 10 days, I've heard numerous pilots say that in the event of a mechanical or electrical failure, they are trained to get the plane under control before communicating a problem? Is it really that difficult to open the mic in order for ATC to at least listen to what is happening? Why are we even messing with cockpit voice recorders? The ATC conversations are recorded in real time.

Flipping one switch that could open the mic, and send a signal to ATC that the plane is under duress. If the pilots are talking to each other, or alarms are heard in the background, it would be obvious that the plane was having problems.

Seems like the norm just leads to a long recovery mission and years of uncertainty as to what causes a crash.
Yeah...I honestly have never gotten this either. I'm not saying communication is necessarily your FIRST action, but you can communicate while doing other things. As some have said, commercial pilots compartmentalize. One flies the plane, and the other tries to fix the problem. I don't see how the plane could have flow for 7 hours (meaning there wasn't an immediate crash risk that forced the pilot flying to have to fight some aerodynamic condition, etc), and not have even once tried to communicate.

Either they didn't WANT to communicate, or they couldn't. It wasn't a case of "just didn't because they were doing other things."

 
At this point, is there any chance this was hijacked and landed somewhere? Is it still part of the official investigation or is it just assumed to be in the water somewhere?

I don't think it'll ever be found. Pieces maybe, but not the major part of it.
Welcome to page 68 of speculation.

 
At this point, is there any chance this was hijacked and landed somewhere? Is it still part of the official investigation or is it just assumed to be in the water somewhere?

I don't think it'll ever be found. Pieces maybe, but not the major part of it.
Who knows, but I'd guess with each passing day, 2 things become more likely:

1. It's in the ocean.

2. It'll never be found.

 
Glenn Beck. Those on-board nerds from Freescale Semiconductor figured out how to make the plane invisible to radar; then the plane landed somewhere like Pakistan. So now it will be painted to look like a British Airways jet, so they can shoot down a real British Airways jet and have the Malaysian one take its place and fly to D.C.
He's trying to steal my theory, but modifying it slightly...IF someone actually "stole" it, I'd bet money that they're planning to use it as bomb in this manner.

 
How is this for a ####ty theory:

Co-pilot kills pilot, then sets plane on course for south Indian Ocean, then commits suicide and passengers can't get into the locked cockpit.

 
How is this for a ####ty theory:

Co-pilot kills pilot, then sets plane on course for south Indian Ocean, then commits suicide and passengers can't get into the locked cockpit.
I read somewhere that there is some sort of override code for the door lock. I'm not sure if it's only known by the pilots or not. I think the example they gave in the article is if Pilot A got up to go take a dump, and Pilot B wouldn't let him back in the cockpit, Pilot B could get in via some sort of override.

I guess if it's only known by the pilots, they'd be screwed. Brings me back to an earlier question of just how secure are those cockpit doors? Could a cabin full of passengers force their way in if given a few hours or is it literally like a vault?

 
At this point, is there any chance this was hijacked and landed somewhere? Is it still part of the official investigation or is it just assumed to be in the water somewhere?

I don't think it'll ever be found. Pieces maybe, but not the major part of it.
Welcome to page 68 of speculation.
Oddly enough, your post is the first one on page 69
There is about 1 total page of news.
 
At this point, is there any chance this was hijacked and landed somewhere? Is it still part of the official investigation or is it just assumed to be in the water somewhere?

I don't think it'll ever be found. Pieces maybe, but not the major part of it.
Welcome to page 68 of speculation.
Oddly enough, your post is the first one on page 69
Jeezus...figures...

 
At this point, is there any chance this was hijacked and landed somewhere? Is it still part of the official investigation or is it just assumed to be in the water somewhere?

I don't think it'll ever be found. Pieces maybe, but not the major part of it.
Welcome to page 68 of speculation.
Oddly enough, your post is the first one on page 69
There is about 1 total page of news.
You are being generous.

 
How is this for a ####ty theory:

Co-pilot kills pilot, then sets plane on course for south Indian Ocean, then commits suicide and passengers can't get into the locked cockpit.
I read somewhere that there is some sort of override code for the door lock. I'm not sure if it's only known by the pilots or not. I think the example they gave in the article is if Pilot A got up to go take a dump, and Pilot B wouldn't let him back in the cockpit, Pilot B could get in via some sort of override.

I guess if it's only known by the pilots, they'd be screwed. Brings me back to an earlier question of just how secure are those cockpit doors? Could a cabin full of passengers force their way in if given a few hours or is it literally like a vault?
Heard the same thing. But they said that the door could be locked from the inside with a deadbolt. I think the idea is that the pilot could take a dumb and get back in without issue, but in case of a hijacking, the pilots could deadbolt the door.

 
How is this for a ####ty theory:

Co-pilot kills pilot, then sets plane on course for south Indian Ocean, then commits suicide and passengers can't get into the locked cockpit.
I read somewhere that there is some sort of override code for the door lock. I'm not sure if it's only known by the pilots or not. I think the example they gave in the article is if Pilot A got up to go take a dump, and Pilot B wouldn't let him back in the cockpit, Pilot B could get in via some sort of override.

I guess if it's only known by the pilots, they'd be screwed. Brings me back to an earlier question of just how secure are those cockpit doors? Could a cabin full of passengers force their way in if given a few hours or is it literally like a vault?
Heard the same thing. But they said that the door could be locked from the inside with a deadbolt. I think the idea is that the pilot could take a dumb and get back in without issue, but in case of a hijacking, the pilots could deadbolt the door.
So if they determine this is what happened, what's the next FAA move?

-Require emergency communications systems in the cabin?

-Have some way to override door locks so someone could get in in an emergency (like a secret code known by ATC)?

 
At this point, is there any chance this was hijacked and landed somewhere? Is it still part of the official investigation or is it just assumed to be in the water somewhere?

I don't think it'll ever be found. Pieces maybe, but not the major part of it.
Welcome to page 68 of speculation.
Oddly enough, your post is the first one on page 69
Jeezus...figures...
Probably happened because of a black hole. It's the only reasonable answer here.

 
How is this for a ####ty theory:

Co-pilot kills pilot, then sets plane on course for south Indian Ocean, then commits suicide and passengers can't get into the locked cockpit.
I read somewhere that there is some sort of override code for the door lock. I'm not sure if it's only known by the pilots or not. I think the example they gave in the article is if Pilot A got up to go take a dump, and Pilot B wouldn't let him back in the cockpit, Pilot B could get in via some sort of override.

I guess if it's only known by the pilots, they'd be screwed. Brings me back to an earlier question of just how secure are those cockpit doors? Could a cabin full of passengers force their way in if given a few hours or is it literally like a vault?
Heard the same thing. But they said that the door could be locked from the inside with a deadbolt. I think the idea is that the pilot could take a dumb and get back in without issue, but in case of a hijacking, the pilots could deadbolt the door.
So if they determine this is what happened, what's the next FAA move?

-Require emergency communications systems in the cabin?

-Have some way to override door locks so someone could get in in an emergency (like a secret code known by ATC)?
poop bags?

 
How is this for a ####ty theory:

Co-pilot kills pilot, then sets plane on course for south Indian Ocean, then commits suicide and passengers can't get into the locked cockpit.
I read somewhere that there is some sort of override code for the door lock. I'm not sure if it's only known by the pilots or not. I think the example they gave in the article is if Pilot A got up to go take a dump, and Pilot B wouldn't let him back in the cockpit, Pilot B could get in via some sort of override.

I guess if it's only known by the pilots, they'd be screwed. Brings me back to an earlier question of just how secure are those cockpit doors? Could a cabin full of passengers force their way in if given a few hours or is it literally like a vault?
Heard the same thing. But they said that the door could be locked from the inside with a deadbolt. I think the idea is that the pilot could take a dumb and get back in without issue, but in case of a hijacking, the pilots could deadbolt the door.
So if they determine this is what happened, what's the next FAA move?

-Require emergency communications systems in the cabin?

-Have some way to override door locks so someone could get in in an emergency (like a secret code known by ATC)?
Clearly they have to take the door off the cockpit - for the safety of the passengers

 
CNN saying the currents could have caused the wreckage to drift 1100 miles. The search area is 1500 miles from Australia. A few more days and they should be able to search the beaches.

 
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CNN saying the currents could have caused the wreckage to drift 1100 miles. The search area is 1500 miles from Australia. A few more days and they should be able to search the beaches.
Or Antarctica
Brings up a new theory. Can you land a 777 on a huge sheet of ice, refuel, and take off again. Someone earlier in the thread mentioned salt flats.
Did the deleted files on the pilot's computer include Firefox?

 
CNN saying the currents could have caused the wreckage to drift 1100 miles. The search area is 1500 miles from Australia. A few more days and they should be able to search the beaches.
Or Antarctica
Brings up a new theory. Can you land a 777 on a huge sheet of ice, refuel, and take off again. Someone earlier in the thread mentioned salt flats.
Not many refueling stations on an ice sheet...

 
CNN saying the currents could have caused the wreckage to drift 1100 miles. The search area is 1500 miles from Australia. A few more days and they should be able to search the beaches.
Or Antarctica
Brings up a new theory. Can you land a 777 on a huge sheet of ice, refuel, and take off again. Someone earlier in the thread mentioned salt flats.
Mr. Freeze's underground arctic lair?

 
CNN saying the currents could have caused the wreckage to drift 1100 miles. The search area is 1500 miles from Australia. A few more days and they should be able to search the beaches.
Or Antarctica
Brings up a new theory. Can you land a 777 on a huge sheet of ice, refuel, and take off again. Someone earlier in the thread mentioned salt flats.
Not many refueling stations on an ice sheet...
Fair enough. Could you get a ship close?

Also, it would be tough to see a white plane sitting on top of a miles and miles of snow or ice.

 
CNN saying the currents could have caused the wreckage to drift 1100 miles. The search area is 1500 miles from Australia. A few more days and they should be able to search the beaches.
Or Antarctica
Brings up a new theory. Can you land a 777 on a huge sheet of ice, refuel, and take off again. Someone earlier in the thread mentioned salt flats.
Did the deleted files on the pilot's computer include Firefox?
Wow - theres an old reference...

 
How is this for a ####ty theory:

Co-pilot kills pilot, then sets plane on course for south Indian Ocean, then commits suicide and passengers can't get into the locked cockpit.
I read somewhere that there is some sort of override code for the door lock. I'm not sure if it's only known by the pilots or not. I think the example they gave in the article is if Pilot A got up to go take a dump, and Pilot B wouldn't let him back in the cockpit, Pilot B could get in via some sort of override.

I guess if it's only known by the pilots, they'd be screwed. Brings me back to an earlier question of just how secure are those cockpit doors? Could a cabin full of passengers force their way in if given a few hours or is it literally like a vault?
There's a Pilot A Took a Dump Theory? :lmao:

Any word yet on when Lloyd poured the bottle of laxative into Harry's coffee?

 
I feel like a lot of you are letting facts get too much in the way of coming up with good, reasonable theories.

Unrelated, has anyone ruled out whether terrorists built a runway on the ocean floor? Seems like this would be a perfect place to hide a plane, seeing as how everyone is looking for a plane ABOVE the water.

 
CNN saying the currents could have caused the wreckage to drift 1100 miles. The search area is 1500 miles from Australia. A few more days and they should be able to search the beaches.
Or Antarctica
Brings up a new theory. Can you land a 777 on a huge sheet of ice, refuel, and take off again. Someone earlier in the thread mentioned salt flats.
Not many refueling stations on an ice sheet...
Fair enough. Could you get a ship close?

Also, it would be tough to see a white plane sitting on top of a miles and miles of snow or ice.
I mean...I guess...maybe with a loooong hose. Seems like a LOT of effort. Not to mention I'd say the odds of landing without incident are far <10%. If you hit a soft spot in the snow with normal tires, you're breaking something, and you don't exactly have the tools to fix a 777 on an ice-sheet. Not to mention, you'd probably be out of the beef stroganoff meal option for the return trip.

 
I feel like a lot of you are letting facts get too much in the way of coming up with good, reasonable theories.

Unrelated, has anyone ruled out whether terrorists built a runway on the ocean floor? Seems like this would be a perfect place to hide a plane, seeing as how everyone is looking for a plane ABOVE the water.
They'd hear the black box beacon. What about UNDER the ocean floor? That way the black box beacon would likely be undetectable.

 
I feel like a lot of you are letting facts get too much in the way of coming up with good, reasonable theories.

Unrelated, has anyone ruled out whether terrorists built a runway on the ocean floor? Seems like this would be a perfect place to hide a plane, seeing as how everyone is looking for a plane ABOVE the water.
They'd hear the black box beacon. What about UNDER the ocean floor? That way the black box beacon would likely be undetectable.
This makes sense. Like a cave.

Or what about a submarine/aircraft carrier? This plane could be on the move underwater, headed to the Atlantic. No need to refuel. They just come up and have the plane take off, right in the New York Harbor.... BAM! WTC1 is on fire and falling down again.

I mean, this makes more sense than the black hole theory. To me, at least.

 

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