This doesn't make sense to me. If they turned in an emergency they would no longer be under auto pilot control. If that is the case how would a plane being flown by unconscious pilots continue to fly another 5 hours.
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KCitons
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They could have turned off autopilot, or they could have reprogrammed a new course into autopilot to take them to the nearest airport. When they became unconscious, the autopilot continued to fly in a straight line.
Doug B
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From what I understand (no source or link), autopilot is the default cruising mode of a large airliner.What I mean by that is that once there are no manual controls being employed, the plane's autopilot takes back over.
PatsWillWin
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He just made a vague reference to "new satellite data," right? No other evidence? If so, conspiracy nut's wet dream.
KCitons
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Still not sure about the ghost plane theory. Too much (mis)information about changes in flight path. But, it seems to be the most obvious solution. (Que the Hakeem jokes)
PatsWillWin
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I don't think that's firm at all, but haven't been paying attention for about 48 hours.
Fat Nick
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Seriously...back to the misinformation...if we just had responsible reporting of CONFIRMED facts, both by media and by CNN, I think most would've arrived at the "ghost plane" theory a while ago.
I thought that had to be the case a while back...but it was contradictory to the reports of the plane climbing and descending (now apparently not true) and the reports of the plane deliberately changing course in an evasive manner, all the terroristic stuff (also apparently not true).
I thought that had to be the case a while back...but it was contradictory to the reports of the plane climbing and descending (now apparently not true) and the reports of the plane deliberately changing course in an evasive manner, all the terroristic stuff (also apparently not true).
Doug B
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The ghost plane thing would've been after all the flight path changes.
IOW, it's pretty firm that this thing spent it's last 5-7 hours as a ghost plane -- after all the turns and such were done.
This makes more sense....If they had reprogrammed a new route to the closest airport and let autopilot do the flying it seems like it would eventually show up in the area of the airport. But if as you say, the autopilot takes back over after no manual controls are being deployed then it would make sense that the autopilot would keep it in the air in whatever direction it was pointed until it runs out of fuel. The only thing that is still hard to believe is that in a modern airplane the pilots weren't able to use their oxygen masks at the first sign of distress.
Doug B
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Just to make sure we're not tripping over semantics:
All the "ghost plane theory" means is that all on board (or, alternatively, all that could fly a plane) were incapacitate or deceased for the last several hours of the flight (after the turns). Doesn't necessarily rule out any specific methods of how the crew and passengers might have gotten that way.
All the "ghost plane theory" means is that all on board (or, alternatively, all that could fly a plane) were incapacitate or deceased for the last several hours of the flight (after the turns). Doesn't necessarily rule out any specific methods of how the crew and passengers might have gotten that way.
KCitons
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If it's in the South Indian Ocean, then yes. It had to spend nearly 7 hours at an altitude around 30k feet. If it dropped to 12k feet and continued on that path, then the plane would burn fuel too fast to reach the search area. This leads me back to the pilot suicide theory.
Otis
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Our that they weren't able to get a radio distress signal out the minute things went south.
Doug B
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I also thought it was firm that the drop in altitude was temporary (that they knew if dropped, and knew that it came back up to cruising altitude).
Notice that now the "it climbed to 45,000 feet" thing is pretty much forgotten. Same with the "it flew out to the Maldives", which Goodfellow inexplicably accounted for in his analysis last week.
Fat Nick
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I will say that for the sake of those onboard, I hope that ALL were incapacitated before the plane went down. I can't imagine what it would be like in that cabin if the crew realized a few hours in that the plane was flying out to sea and the pilots weren't responding. That'd have to be absolutely horrifying. By the time you realize it, you're likely too far out to sea to turn around, and certainly out of reach of cell phones, etc.
Doug B
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How much time do the masks buy them? Someone had posted way upthread that the pliot's masks had "unlimited oxygen", which seems unlikely (I'm spitballing, admittedly).
After reading Goodfellow's first cut last week, I had thought that the pilots did use oxygen masks or smoke hoods while executing the twists and turns ... but they were only able to stay lucid for so long.
Fat Nick
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The only real reason I can think of for a plane to dive below 12,000 feet on purpose is to get to breathable oxygen. I don't know why they'd then go back up under normal circumstances. If you've got an oxygen problem that forces you to go down to 12K, your next stop would be a landing, not a climb back up.
I'll bet that they later determine that the climb back up was either somehow autopilot induced, or falsely reported like the other climb report.
KCitons
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Maybe he wanted to make the plane difficult to find. Or at least make the Malaysian government look inept.
I also posted earlier, that the cockpit voice recorder only records for approx 2 hours. By flying for an additional amount of time, any evidence of a cockpit struggle (pilot killing copilot, etc) would be overwritten.
Doug B
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Dunno, because I'm not sure of exactly when manual pillot control ceased. Also not sure that the autopilot will just automatically pick back up on it's last saved flight plan. My understanding is that autiplot will maintain altitude and heading as long as the plane has power (fuel).
Doug B
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Statement by the Prime Minister of Malaysia:
The full statement from Prime Minister of Malaysia Najib Razak made in Kuala Lumpur at 1am Sydney time:
"This evening I was briefed by representatives from the UK Air Accidents Investigation Branch (AAIB). They informed me that Inmarsat, the UK company that provided the satellite data which indicated the northern and southern corridors, has been performing further calculations on the data. Using a type of analysis never before used in an investigation of this sort, they have been able to shed more light on MH370’s flight path.
Based on their new analysis, Inmarsat and the AAIB have concluded that MH370 flew along the southern corridor, and that its last position was in the middle of the Indian Ocean, west of Perth.
This is a remote location, far from any possible landing sites. It is therefore with deep sadness and regret that I must inform you that, according to this new data, flight MH370 ended in the southern Indian Ocean.
We will be holding a press conference tomorrow with further details. In the meantime, we wanted to inform you of this new development at the earliest opportunity. We share this information out of a commitment to openness and respect for the families, two principles which have guided this investigation.
Malaysia Airlines have already spoken to the families of the passengers and crew to inform them of this development. For them, the past few weeks have been heartbreaking; I know this news must be harder still. I urge the media to respect their privacy, and to allow them the space they need at this difficult time."
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/world/missing-malaysia-airlines-jet-flight-mh370-ended-in-the-southern-indian-ocean--official-statement-by-prime-minister-of-malaysia-20140325-35enc.html#ixzz2wtKBZFfG
The full statement from Prime Minister of Malaysia Najib Razak made in Kuala Lumpur at 1am Sydney time:
"This evening I was briefed by representatives from the UK Air Accidents Investigation Branch (AAIB). They informed me that Inmarsat, the UK company that provided the satellite data which indicated the northern and southern corridors, has been performing further calculations on the data. Using a type of analysis never before used in an investigation of this sort, they have been able to shed more light on MH370’s flight path.
Based on their new analysis, Inmarsat and the AAIB have concluded that MH370 flew along the southern corridor, and that its last position was in the middle of the Indian Ocean, west of Perth.
This is a remote location, far from any possible landing sites. It is therefore with deep sadness and regret that I must inform you that, according to this new data, flight MH370 ended in the southern Indian Ocean.
We will be holding a press conference tomorrow with further details. In the meantime, we wanted to inform you of this new development at the earliest opportunity. We share this information out of a commitment to openness and respect for the families, two principles which have guided this investigation.
Malaysia Airlines have already spoken to the families of the passengers and crew to inform them of this development. For them, the past few weeks have been heartbreaking; I know this news must be harder still. I urge the media to respect their privacy, and to allow them the space they need at this difficult time."
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/world/missing-malaysia-airlines-jet-flight-mh370-ended-in-the-southern-indian-ocean--official-statement-by-prime-minister-of-malaysia-20140325-35enc.html#ixzz2wtKBZFfG
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KCitons
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They've ran a scenario like this on the CNN flight simulator over the last week or so.It would seem to makes sense that it would revert back to the original destination. If a pilot were to manually climb or change course around a thunderstorm I wouldn't think the flight plan would need to be reprogrammed. I have no idea how it works.
They would be cruising on course towards Bejing.
Some type of alarm goes off, or loss of cabin pressure.
Pilots would secure oxygen masks and then begin rapid decent to 10k feet.
They would then enter the flight path to the nearest airport. (there are reports that some pilots program this emergency route prior to take off)
If possible, the autopilot would control the plane until it was near the airport. But, the pilot can grab the controls at any time and make changes (it just causes a warning to go off)
TheIronSheik
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The obvious the government's of the world are lying to us now, right?
It went down in the ocean? Do they they think we're morons???
Them saying that it was just a plane crash in the ocean only proves my theory that the terrorists stole this plane to start their own airline. All of the facts line up perfectly.
It went down in the ocean? Do they they think we're morons???
Them saying that it was just a plane crash in the ocean only proves my theory that the terrorists stole this plane to start their own airline. All of the facts line up perfectly.
Patriotsfatboy1
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Did they find the plane from Lost?
The main question that raises is this: "Will they have hot stewardi?"The obvious the government's of the world are lying to us now, right?
It went down in the ocean? Do they they think we're morons???
Them saying that it was just a plane crash in the ocean only proves my theory that the terrorists stole this plane to start their own airline. All of the facts line up perfectly.
KCitons
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I think the problem with that, is that the plane would return to it's original destination and attempt to fly to Bejing. The pilots would have had to change the autopilot course, or shut off autopilot and been on full manual control. Then they lost consciousness.
Nathan R. Jessep
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Fake debris, IMO.
It's exactly like the movie U-571, where they released the fake debris to make the other sub think U-571 had blown up. Russian subs, Malaysian planes, same difference. Putin may be behind this after all.
It's exactly like the movie U-571, where they released the fake debris to make the other sub think U-571 had blown up. Russian subs, Malaysian planes, same difference. Putin may be behind this after all.
TheIronSheik
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MattFancy
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So were they able to confirm the debris is from the plane or are they just saying since there's stuff floating in the ocean it must be from the plane?
mr roboto
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70 virgins probably.The main question that raises is this: "Will they have hot stewardi?"The obvious the government's of the world are lying to us now, right?
It went down in the ocean? Do they they think we're morons???
Them saying that it was just a plane crash in the ocean only proves my theory that the terrorists stole this plane to start their own airline. All of the facts line up perfectly.
Fat Nick
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Rohn Jambo
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What a 
jamny
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They are heading to the area to try and retrieve wreckage. I saw a headline that said the should get there within hours.
Fat Nick
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So confirming and reporting ahead of actually proving...again.
For the sake of the families, I hope it's wreckage.
For the sake of entertainment, I'd laugh if it was part of a Sea Shepherd vessel or just a big pile of floating garbage and they were back to square one. The press release for that would be priceless.
DocHolliday
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Nailed it! 
TheIronSheik
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This was covered in Em's thread. Are we still allowed to say his name? Or are we calling him "He who must not be named" now?
Limp Ditka
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Yes, but why are they still virgins?70 virgins probably.The main question that raises is this: "Will they have hot stewardi?"The obvious the government's of the world are lying to us now, right?
It went down in the ocean? Do they they think we're morons???
Them saying that it was just a plane crash in the ocean only proves my theory that the terrorists stole this plane to start their own airline. All of the facts line up perfectly.
MattFancy
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TheIronSheik
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I was not here for whatever happened to LHUCKS. No one ever talks about why he's no longer here. I can only assume it had something to do with East Coast bias.
TheIronSheik
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Oooo! I know this one! Because they haven't had sex yet.Yes, but why are they still virgins?70 virgins probably.The main question that raises is this: "Will they have hot stewardi?"The obvious the government's of the world are lying to us now, right?
It went down in the ocean? Do they they think we're morons???
Them saying that it was just a plane crash in the ocean only proves my theory that the terrorists stole this plane to start their own airline. All of the facts line up perfectly.
