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Missing Malaysian jet news (2 Viewers)
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TheIronSheik
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lod01
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I don't even know if we can believe anything that has been said about altitude of the plane. seems like they were making #### up as they went along....the reporters that is.
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KCitons
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TheIronSheik
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My money is still on either Al Qaeda Airlines or the 777 is traveling at the speed of light and will return again in 30 years with all of the passengers only being 3 minutes older than when they left.It's as good a guess as any other
johnnycakes
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Going to have to put GPS trackers on aircraft that cannot be shut off, just like trucking companies use to track their fleets.
TheIronSheik
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We could make it illegal to crash a plane into the ocean. Just create crash free zones in all water deeper than 10 feet.
Maybe if we just built bridges over the oceans. That way we could drive ourselves.
Fat Nick
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Has anybody recycled the horrid stand-up line "Why don't they just make the whole plane out of the black box?"
Fat Nick
Footballguy
I still don't get the hypoxia theory without additional complications if the plane did descend to 12,000 ft. at some point. 12,000 ft. is breathable air. If they were conscious when they got to 12,000 ft, they would likely be OK unless there was another complicating issue, i.e. a fire. If they were passed out and auto-pilot got them to 12,000 ft, there's no reason I can think of why they'd then climb back up to altitude.
Doctor Detroit
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So Malaysia says everyone is dead yet there is virtually no sign of any plane besides unidentified wreckage, and some pings.
This is like the show LOST, amiright?
This is like the show LOST, amiright?
TheIronSheik
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They said everyone on the PLANE is dead. Lots of people in Malaysia are still alive. At least, that's what the media is saying. If you believe them. I haven't been to Malaysia, so who knows if there are still living people there.
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Scoresman
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Too expensive. Best solution would be to just make the planes out of whatever they make the black boxes out of.
Fat Nick
Footballguy
That was an interesting wiki. I hadn't read about that flight before. I didn't realize that auto-pilot would keep a plane in the holding pattern. It's terrifying to think that the pilots were incapacitated, but the cabin crew were OK. I guess it makes me second-guess the locked cockpit concept a little.
It needs to be locked, but SOMEBODY needs to be able to unlock it in an emergency via either code or signal transmitted to the plane in this kind of situation.
jonessed
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Obviously it's hardest on the families, but I have concerns about why planes might disappear as well.
If it was mechanical failure, what failed? If it was terrorist related, how did the terrorists get on board? If the pilot went nuts, why? How can it be prevented?
identikit
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Scoresman
Footballguy
Flying over the south pole causes an electromagnetic quantum-thermal disruption in the earth's magnetic field. You theoretically could, but then the toilets in Australia would flush in the opposite direction.
Joe T
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identikit
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TheIronSheik
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avoiding injuries
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That sucks for Mr Big
Joe T
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London: A new, unprecedented satellite tracking technique is what gave Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak enough confidence to announce that Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 went down in the remote south of the Indian Ocean.
British firm Inmarsat was behind an earlier analysis that indicated the plane had been flying in one of two big ‘corridors’, one in the northern hemisphere and one in the southern.
However last week it went back to its data and tried a new mathematical analysis, which concluded on Sunday.
The new analysis allowed them to discard the northern corridor, and focus more precisely on the southern route.
Based on this new information, Mr Najib announced on Monday that MH370’s last known position was in the middle of the Indian Ocean, west of Perth.
The nature of the pings indicated that the plane was still moving during that time.
“This is a remote location far from any possible landing sites,” he said. “It is therefore with deep sadness and regret that I must inform you that … flight MH370 ended in the southern Indian Ocean.”
The aeroplane had Inmarsat’s ‘Classic Aero’ satellite system, which collects information such as location, altitude, heading and speed, and sends it through Inmarsat’s satellites into their network.
This ‘ACARS’ (aircraft communications addressing and reporting system) was switched off or interrupted early in the flight, meaning no such information was available to track the plane.
However the Classic Aero system still sent hourly ‘pings’ back to Inmarsat’s satellite for at least five hours after the aircraft left Malaysian airspace, the company discovered.
These pings contained no data – they were just a simple ‘hello’ to keep the link open – however their timing and frequency contained hidden mathematical clues.
The company looked at the ‘Doppler effect’ – tiny changes in the frequency of the ping signal, caused by the relative movement of the satellite and the plane (the Doppler effect is the reason why, for example, police sirens are a different pitch or frequency depending on whether they are travelling toward you or away from you).
This analysis allowed Inmarsat to map two huge ‘corridors’ for the plane’s possible location, in big arcs stretching thousands of kilometres north and south of the point where the last radar contact with MH370 was made.
Australian and US experts took this information, added some assumptions about the plane’s speed, and narrowed the southern option into an area of ocean that could be realistically searched.
Meanwhile, Inmarsat went back to its satellite data. Its new analysis found that the northern route did not quite correlate with the frequency of the pings from the plane – meaning the plane must have been heading south.
It also suggested that the plane had been travelling at a steady cruising altitude above 30,000 feet.
They compared satellite data from MH370 with that from previous Malaysian Airlines Boeing 777 flights, going back a few weeks, in order to better model the movement of the plane.
“This really was a shot in the dark,” Chris McLaughlin, senior vice president of external affairs at Inmarsat told the BBC. “It’s a credit to the scientific team that they managed to model this.
“Just a single ‘ping’ can be used to say the plane was both powered up and travelling. And then by a process of elimination comparing it to other known flights and established that it went south.”
The UK’s Air Accidents Investigation Branch also contributed to the analysis.
British firm Inmarsat was behind an earlier analysis that indicated the plane had been flying in one of two big ‘corridors’, one in the northern hemisphere and one in the southern.
However last week it went back to its data and tried a new mathematical analysis, which concluded on Sunday.
The new analysis allowed them to discard the northern corridor, and focus more precisely on the southern route.
Based on this new information, Mr Najib announced on Monday that MH370’s last known position was in the middle of the Indian Ocean, west of Perth.
The nature of the pings indicated that the plane was still moving during that time.
“This is a remote location far from any possible landing sites,” he said. “It is therefore with deep sadness and regret that I must inform you that … flight MH370 ended in the southern Indian Ocean.”
The aeroplane had Inmarsat’s ‘Classic Aero’ satellite system, which collects information such as location, altitude, heading and speed, and sends it through Inmarsat’s satellites into their network.
This ‘ACARS’ (aircraft communications addressing and reporting system) was switched off or interrupted early in the flight, meaning no such information was available to track the plane.
However the Classic Aero system still sent hourly ‘pings’ back to Inmarsat’s satellite for at least five hours after the aircraft left Malaysian airspace, the company discovered.
These pings contained no data – they were just a simple ‘hello’ to keep the link open – however their timing and frequency contained hidden mathematical clues.
The company looked at the ‘Doppler effect’ – tiny changes in the frequency of the ping signal, caused by the relative movement of the satellite and the plane (the Doppler effect is the reason why, for example, police sirens are a different pitch or frequency depending on whether they are travelling toward you or away from you).
This analysis allowed Inmarsat to map two huge ‘corridors’ for the plane’s possible location, in big arcs stretching thousands of kilometres north and south of the point where the last radar contact with MH370 was made.
Australian and US experts took this information, added some assumptions about the plane’s speed, and narrowed the southern option into an area of ocean that could be realistically searched.
Meanwhile, Inmarsat went back to its satellite data. Its new analysis found that the northern route did not quite correlate with the frequency of the pings from the plane – meaning the plane must have been heading south.
It also suggested that the plane had been travelling at a steady cruising altitude above 30,000 feet.
They compared satellite data from MH370 with that from previous Malaysian Airlines Boeing 777 flights, going back a few weeks, in order to better model the movement of the plane.
“This really was a shot in the dark,” Chris McLaughlin, senior vice president of external affairs at Inmarsat told the BBC. “It’s a credit to the scientific team that they managed to model this.
“Just a single ‘ping’ can be used to say the plane was both powered up and travelling. And then by a process of elimination comparing it to other known flights and established that it went south.”
The UK’s Air Accidents Investigation Branch also contributed to the analysis.
CurlyNight
Footballguy
They shouldn't have said everyone is dead. While it's true barring some huge miracle, the families will eventually put the pieces together for themselves in their own time especially since reports have been all over the place about what happened.
Also I just love how a camera man is literally inches from a woman who is wailing in grief falling to the ground.
Also I just love how a camera man is literally inches from a woman who is wailing in grief falling to the ground.
Joe Summer
Footballguy
That wouldn't work because if you keep flying south then you will crash into the south pole.
shadyridr
Footballguy
at least we know the reason of the suicide mission then
Get real. There are 34 million flights each year in the world. We need to take reasonable precautions, of course, but perfect safety under all circumstances is a pipe dream. You might as well say: "How can we prevent anyone from dying accidentally from any cause?"
identikit
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squidrope
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Excellent point!
Forget about trying to figure out what happened. Why try and prevent this in the future. Let's stick our heads in the sand and move along. Air travel safety is "good enough".
This thread is the perfect answer to that. We've spend almost 5,000 posts or so trying to figure out what happened. And it will probably run a few thousand more. So we don't need to worry about sticking our head in the sand. But perfect safety will forever elude us.
SacramentoBob
Footballguy
I feel like I've barely used my likes the past few days and I'm still out. IOU.
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
So pretty much the worst explanation ever, right?
Let's hope this press conference tomorrow gives some actual evidence.
Let's hope this press conference tomorrow gives some actual evidence.
SacramentoBob
Footballguy
This has been one hell of a viral marketing campaign for JJ Abrams's new TV show.
PatsWillWin
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Fat Nick
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KCitons
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SacramentoBob
Footballguy
Scoresman
Footballguy
I feel the government should come up with a new set of federal flying safety regulations that you could opt into for a fee. They could even have people sign up on a website, but they'd have to guarantee that I can keep flying my preferred airline.
