cloppbeast
Footballguy
Sounds like his ADP may go up meaning better value for the rest of us. It doesn't sound likely he'll miss any real games. The way I look at it, he has a lower chance of getting injured until then.
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Ball says he'll be 'even stronger' in return:
http://espn.go.com/blog/denver-broncos/post/_/id/7887/ball-says-hell-be-even-stronger-in-return
http://espn.go.com/blog/denver-broncos/post/_/id/7887/ball-says-hell-be-even-stronger-in-return
MoveToSkypager
Footballguy
An average human appendix weighs about .2 kg. Any Montee Ball fans here tell me how much faster he's going to be after his recovery? Thanks
VaTerp
Footballguy
I've been mocking a lot of 14 team snakes the last few days (mostly yahoo fwiw) and Ball is consistently going early 2nd. I just took him at 11 in one I'm doing right now. FF calc has his ADP at 2.03 (12 teamers) in their ppr/flex setting.
I think he will creep back up to late 1st once he's cleared and back on the field.
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Skeletore Eh
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he may not be considered a 1st round pick in a 12 teamer based on adp, but I certainly think he should be.
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pantherclub
Footballguy
not doubting you at all but would like to get your perspective as to why you think he should be a first rounder?
talent, situation, offense etc?
LawFitz
Footballguy
He's Joseph Addai, with inferior (but not bad) hands and a better nose for the endzone. As long as he doesn't mess up his pass protections and Manning remains upright, he should be a mid-range RB1.
That said, it is a leap of faith to take him where you'd have to in order to secure his services this year.
That said, it is a leap of faith to take him where you'd have to in order to secure his services this year.
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Coeur de Lion
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IMO Ball is almost certainly a far better runner than Moreno. I'm less certain that he can fully replace Moreno as a blocker / receiver. I do agree that he looks like a steal this year at his current ADP.I think he's a far better RB than Moreno, and faces less competition than Moreno did.pantherclub said:It's hard to see Ball not putting up RB1 value almost by accident as long as he doesn't get run over by a bus.
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TheCommish
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I got him at 3.04 in a 10-team mock last night. Surprised me. He used to be long gone by the time my 2nd round pick rolled around.
Skeletore Eh
Footballguy
as you might guess situation and offense. obviously I don't think hes a top talent at rb in the nfl, but rb (more than any other position) is about opportunity. If Ball holds on to the ball and doesn't get manning killed, I don't see how he doesn't put up rb 1 numbers. The only other player that I did not mention above that I could see taking over Ball is Murray. The wr's after calvin I cannot justify taking over Ball because I'd rather draft Ball in round 1 and land Julio in round 2 than draft Dez in round 1 and be left with inferior options at rbpantherclub said:
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Ilov80s
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Bronco Billy
Footballguy
Still trying to get my head around this comparison.
Nope, can't do it. This falls into the realm of unfathomable.
Skeletore Eh
Footballguy
Montee Ball - RB - Broncos
Montee Ball (appendectomy) returned to practice Tuesday.
The Broncos are having a non-contact practice Tuesday, so it's just individual drills. But it's still a step forward for Ball. He visited his doctor on Monday and hopes to gain clearance for normal work at some point this week or early next week. Don't look for Ball to play in Denver's third preseason game. Ball should be all systems go well before the Broncos take the field Week 1 against the Colts.
Source: Jeff Legwold on Twitter
Aug 19 - 1:14 PM
Montee Ball (appendectomy) returned to practice Tuesday.
The Broncos are having a non-contact practice Tuesday, so it's just individual drills. But it's still a step forward for Ball. He visited his doctor on Monday and hopes to gain clearance for normal work at some point this week or early next week. Don't look for Ball to play in Denver's third preseason game. Ball should be all systems go well before the Broncos take the field Week 1 against the Colts.
Source: Jeff Legwold on Twitter
Aug 19 - 1:14 PM
LawFitz
Footballguy
A running back that's above average to good at all the RB skills, but not excellent at any of them, playing as the starter in the Peyton Manning offense. Fathomable? If not, where is the breakdown.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I hope Ball's 2nd year matches Addai's 2nd year. 1400 yards and 15 TDs
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Addai was a below average runner who stayed on the field due to superior blocking / receiving ability. Ball is a strong runner who was kept off of the field early last year likely d/t deficiencies blocking and receiving. The departed Knowshon Moreno is a much better comp to Addai than is Montee Ball IMO.
Bronco Billy
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unckeyherb
Footballguy
I'd argue that Ball is a better runner, at least as good of a receiver and way better around the goal line. This Peyton offense is better than Indy's '06-'08 years, IMO, though that could be debated. Addai is a pretty fair comp, but I'd say Ball's upside is a fair bit higher than Addai.
Addai only broke 1k twice (1081 and 1072 his first two years, respectively.) If Ball gets 250+ carries it's hard to imagine he won't get 11-1200 rushing yards. He should be a lock to score double digit TD's..
MoveToSkypager
Footballguy
If you would argue that, then why don't you? I read that often and people fail to make the argument they say they would do.
cloppbeast
Footballguy
unckeyherb
Footballguy
Addai's career YPC is 4.0, Ball last year was at 4.7. Ball got 119 carries last year and netted 558 yards and 4 TDs. Addai's last two years he got comparable carries (116 and 118). His totals were 495/4 and 433/1. Ball was barely used for 8 games, however in the final 8 games where he got more than close-out-the-game carries he averaged 5.3 ypc-half a yard per carry more than Addai's best year. Ball is a better runner.
As stated above, Ball was barely used for 8 games, but in the last 8 he grabbed 90% (all but 2) of his 20 catches. Addai had 40 receptions in '06 and '07 playing in all 16 games. Doing the math, he is a comparable receiver.
Ball was known as having a nose for the end-zone when he came out of college. I was trying to find his NFL RZ conversion rate, but I whiffed-not sure if someone else can point me in the direction.
Point is, I don't think Addai, from a production standpoint, is a poor comp. And as someone pointed out, he was a top 5 RB early in his career with Manning.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Montee is a pretty clear choice if you're in the back third of the draft and aren't interested in a QB, WR, or Jimmy. He seems like the guy who has the best shot at keeping up with the "big 3," and could potentially be the #1 RB overall if the TDs break in his favor.
silentcoach
Footballguy
The main thing holding BALL back is that schedule (I know, I know, how do we know which defenses will be good).
However, Ball has Sea, BYE, Arz, NYJ, SF from week 3 - 7. Not fun.
Although AZ's run defense may take a hit with Dockett's injury.
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JFS171
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I'm close to acquiring in dynasty even though I've not been the biggest Ball fan. The opportunity is crystal clear - kid just needs to be average to be a top 12ish) this year.
I don't think his owner would even be listening if Ball had played all preseason and revved up the hype train.
I don't think his owner would even be listening if Ball had played all preseason and revved up the hype train.
Billy Bats
Footballguy
Took him last night at 2.2 in a ten team redraft non ppr. I'm not excited, but he was the best available rb IMO so felt obligated to take him. Here's hoping he outperforms my expectations.
Here's hoping he outperforms my expectations.
bostonfred
Footballguy
He came out of the game before manning did. That's probably meaningful.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I think they wanted to give him some game work and get him out since his conditioning might not be up to speed just yet. If you are a Ball fan, this was a great game.
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Bronco Billy
Footballguy
It was great seeing him getting some carries tonight. I didn't expect to see him until next week getting some work to prepare for week 1.
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Ilov80s
Footballguy
I'm listening to the Audible right now and they thought we might not even see him in the 4th preseason game and they still were high on him. The fact that in about 5 minutes he got so many touches is just just gold.
JFS171
Footballguy
Biggest thing for me was he caught five passes on the opening drive (one negated due to penalty). Clearly they were trying to feature him and Sanders to get them in rhythm as the season closes in, but that kind of passing game usage for Ball was a little surprising to me. Not saying that's completely the norm, but he caught the ball well and ran a lot of pass routes. Bodes very well for his PPR prospects...
purestrength
Footballguy
One aspect I thought would be a huge dropoff from Moreno to Ball was number of receptions.
I may have to rethink that now.
I may have to rethink that now.
bigmarc27
Footballguy
Can I ask what people see in Ball?
Forget that he's currently slated as started and forget that he was a somewhat high pick as a late 2nd. Does he really do anything better than Anderson? I'm not saying he won't get the majority of work, but he's being picked in round 1 purely because he's a Bronco. When talent meets opportunity, that's great. I only see half of that equation right now.
Forget that he's currently slated as started and forget that he was a somewhat high pick as a late 2nd. Does he really do anything better than Anderson? I'm not saying he won't get the majority of work, but he's being picked in round 1 purely because he's a Bronco. When talent meets opportunity, that's great. I only see half of that equation right now.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Agreed. Maybe, as a Broncos fan, I am just jaded by several fumbles he had last year in bad spots, but when I watch him play, he is just another RB. Obviously, he is in a great situation, and if he plays a lot, he should be productive, but I wouldn't be surprised if he busts this year. I'm just not sold on him at his current ADP.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I wouldn't worry about the fumbles. After fumbling early, he went the rest of the season without fumbling. In college, at one point he went 800 carries without fumbling.
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
If you don't see Ball as anything other than JAG by now, then I'd guess there's little anyone could post that would change your mind. The guy has a well rounded game and has an exceptional lateral move where he doesn't lose much momentum as he changes lanes. He's got vision, patience, sets up his blockers well, attacks a small seam as quickly as he sees it. He can be on the field all three downs as a runner, receiver, and blocker. He's not AD and he's not Charles. The guy that comes to mind the most when I have watched him play - which has been extensively both in college and now the NFL - is Curtis Martin, but with a killer instinct at the goal line.
az_prof
Footballguy
I am very excited by this! I was hoping he would catch 40 passes and this makes me feel more comfortable that he will meet and possibly exceed that goal.
cmv5
Footballguy
Well, when I try to project a guy that is worth a first rounder I look at a number of factors, one of those factors is situation. We know that the #1 rb spot in a Peyton offense is a prime situation. Examples are just somewhat talented guys like Moreno and Joseph Addai having fantastic seasons with him. With Ball looking effective last year, averaging 6 ypc, being drafted high and being the starter, I am taking that over a lot of other less fortunate running backs.
Is there something about Ball that would suggest to you he is less talented that Moreno or Addai? Are you predicting injury?
