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More Unelectable - The Momala Laugh Or The Hillary Cackle? (1 Viewer)

Hillary or Kamala?

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shadrap said:
Harris was the most disliked among Dems in their primaries.  First one out with like 2% of the vote?  something like that.  Even they didn't like her.  How did she get to be VP?  Black & a woman.  Nothing wrong with that if that's the way you want to roll.
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None of the bolded is accurate.   She wasn't even close to first one out.   She peaked at polling around 15% and dropped out polling around 5%.  She and Warren polled almost identically as far as "likeability."

 
timschochet said:
Not really. Everything changed when she became VP. You can’t consider any poll taken before that time. 
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Results_of_the_2020_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries

You can't become POTUS unless you are the nominee, you can't be the nominee unless you get enough delegates.

Explain to us how Harris gets enough delegates on her own in 2024?

Bernie Sanders can give AOC about a thousand delegates. If Gavin Newsom barely survives recall ( signature verifying to the limit no less....), he's going to split Biden's former delegate base. Newsom is more appealing to American women than Harris, which is pathetic. How can a guy who slept with his campaign managers wife be more likely to get votes from suburban women than the first female VP ever?

How do you go from zero delegates in 2020 to winning the ticket in 2024?  Being VP is not enough.

Can Harris even hold the black vote?  She'll lose a lot of young/progressive voters to AOC. She'll lose gay voters to Buttigieg. She'll lose establishment types loyal to Pelosi to Newsom. The border crisis will cost the DNC major sections of the Latino vote. Or should we call it the more insulting "Latinx vote"?  Large sections of the military and law enforcement will be lost over defund the police and making Guardsmen sleep in parking lots.

Maybe Harris holds onto some Super Delegates loyal to Obama.

This is functionally a math problem. Tell all of us how Harris gets the delegates she needs in 2024? Tell of us how you go from zero in 2020 while being painted as keeping young black men in prison and sleeping with married men to get a political boost to taking the ticket in 2024?

Explain to all of us how Kamala Harris gets close to 2000 delegates in 2024 as a natural pathway?

 
-fish- said:
None of the bolded is accurate.   She wasn't even close to first one out.   She peaked at polling around 15% and dropped out polling around 5%.  She and Warren polled almost identically as far as "likeability."
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Hillary would have rated above both Warren and Harris  in likeability.

 
GordonGekko said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Results_of_the_2020_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries

You can't become POTUS unless you are the nominee, you can't be the nominee unless you get enough delegates.

Explain to us how Harris gets enough delegates on her own in 2024?
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She would be considered the incumbent (assuming Biden, for some reason not yet explained by you, is no longer President) and that in itself with the support of the DNC and most prominent Democrats should be enough. 

 
-fish- said:
None of the bolded is accurate.   She wasn't even close to first one out.   She peaked at polling around 15% and dropped out polling around 5%.  She and Warren polled almost identically as far as "likeability."
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VIDEO: Tulsi Gabbard torches Kamala Harris on Criminal Justice Reform •Jul 31, 2019

Stand with Tulsi -- https://www.tulsi2020.com/join Tulsi Gabbard takes on Kamala Harris over her prosecutorial record in California and her record on criminal justice reform, the death penalty, and the war on drugs during the second Democratic presidential debate in Detroit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cfp_IIdVnXs

Direct Headline: The Climate Danger of Kamala Harris’ Prison Labor Legacy

Yessenia Funes 8/14/20 9:30AM

https://earther.gizmodo.com/the-climate-danger-of-kamala-harris-prison-labor-legac-1844712734

Direct Headline: Kamala Harris’ A.G. Office Tried to Keep Inmates Locked Up for Cheap Labor

Jackie Kucinich Washington Bureau Chief Feb. 11, 2019 10:24PM ET

https://www.thedailybeast.com/kamala-harris-ag-office-tried-to-keep-inmates-locked-up-for-cheap-labor

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It's not going to help Harris' "likeability" to be linked to using what amounts to prison slave labor for profit. When the majority of those involved are young black men. How is it possible to be a "black" woman ( Lots of black America might not actually consider her black but no one wants to talk about that issue....) and risk losing major sections of the black vote and the female vote? How is that even possible?

Your best defense is some numbers that say Harris is about on par with a woman caught lying about being an Indian and was hosed down by Charlemagne Da God on a standard PR Meet And Greet?

 
squistion said:
She would be considered the incumbent (assuming Biden, for some reason not yet explained by you, is no longer President) and that in itself with the support of the DNC and most prominent Democrats should be enough. 
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Do the math here.

There are close to 4800 total DNC delegates, where 4000+ are pledged.

1000+ are loyal to Bernie Sanders. Those now belong to AOC. Everyone who pushes for M4A will line up behind AOC. M4A is the natural softball platform for her. 2024 will be the war of ACA Versus M4A as the dominant DNC narrative.

In order to stop Newsom/Pelosi from splitting the establishment types, Harris would have to give him half the ticket. The natural counter would be for AOC to offer Buttigieg half the ticket and offer Klobuchar whatever she wants for her power on several major committees.

That means Harris/Newsom would risk losing the Latino vote, the young vote, the Progressive vote, the gay vote and major blocks of the military vote immediately. Newsom might, at best, split the suburban female vote with AOC as half the ticket.

Explain how Harris pulls votes from the Progressive base? The Latino base? ( You think the border crisis isn't going to cost Harris votes?) Even the black base? ( Jamal Trulove goes on every major outlet possible and points out Harris kept him in prison while she got caught laughing over it)

You are saying Harris will get the support of the DNC but you don't show any functional pathways to address how that happens.

You are talking generalities that have no basis in actual political strategy, I'm talking numbers and delegates.

Being the incumbent does not automatically guarantee delegates as political currency, esp if it happens via what clearly has become election by proxy for either Harris or some unelected cabal of special interests.

 
-fish- said:
None of the bolded is accurate.   She wasn't even close to first one out.   She peaked at polling around 15% and dropped out polling around 5%.  She and Warren polled almost identically as far as "likeability."
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So she was 85% unlikable/no opinion at her best and compared to Warren in her own party.

 
squistion said:
Not trolling any more than saying that Biden’s not running in 2024 that you didn't comment on. 
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He said he is, I have my doubts.  I really don’t care if he does or not as I’m more interested in who the R’s trot out there.  I have a feeling it’ll underwhelm.

 
This thread is indicative of the broader issue, it's going to be a long time before a woman is elected President given current prevalent attitudes in the U.S.

 
Grace Under Pressure said:
This thread is indicative of the broader issue, it's going to be a long time before a woman is elected President given current prevalent attitudes in the U.S.
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Not just in here.  It was sort of sickening listening to men and women talking about HRC when she ran.    A bit of talk about her voice, couldn't keep a leash on her man, how she looked and dressed, etc..  a lot of dressing down of stuff that has 0 to do with qualifications for being POTUS.  

 
KarmaPolice said:
Not just in here.  It was sort of sickening listening to men and women talking about HRC when she ran.    A bit of talk about her voice, couldn't keep a leash on her man, how she looked and dressed, etc..  a lot of dressing down of stuff that has 0 to do with qualifications for being POTUS.  
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Agreed, women and men both. An extra set of barriers to overcome. 

 
By the way, this topic was never meant to be sexist in the least. This was about the candidates' superficial utterances that are seen as annoying. Like Bill Clinton saying, in that Southern drawl...

"Kiss it...

Just a little bit."

But this never had anything to do with them being women or being qualified as women. You all read that into it. You're the ones with a Rorschach problem, and it's the usual culprits getting hernias to see what isn't there.

Kiss it...

 
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KarmaPolice said:
Not just in here.  It was sort of sickening listening to men and women talking about HRC when she ran.    A bit of talk about her voice, couldn't keep a leash on her man, how she looked and dressed, etc..  a lot of dressing down of stuff that has 0 to do with qualifications for being POTUS.  
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Oh, please. This should come as no surprise. The biggest culprits in the Bill and Hillary sex scandals were the women's magazines and the feminist establishment that went after Paula Jones, Monica Lewinsky, et. al. They savaged these women as whores and the like. Bill committed perjury and lost his license at one of their trials because he lied so badly yet all the women's magazines focused on was the hair of the victim and how it was still teased in 1995 or '96, etc. Just total hatchet jobs, culminating in the famous op-ed by a women who basically said, "Who wouldn't want to give Bill Clinton [oral sex]?" for all he had done for single women over the years with his policies. Yes, it was the women destroying the accusers of Bill Clinton, and don't let anybody forget that sad episode either. They ripped them apart for committing the sin of being close to "white trash" and I personally don't let anyone forget that the paragons of virtue were right quick to play the game and they played it Mean Girl-style.

Forget the accusations of sexism -- it's all a garbage charade masquerading from the desire for political power. Nothing more than that crap.

 
rockaction said:
By the way, this topic was never meant to be sexist in the least. This was about the candidates' superficial utterances that are seen as annoying. Like Bill Clinton saying, in that Southern drawl...

"Kiss it...

Just a little bit."

But this never had anything to do with them being women or being qualified as women. You all read that into it. You're the ones with a Rorschach problem, and it's the usual culprits getting hernias to see what isn't there.

Kiss it...
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It really doesn't matter what the intent was, it matters how it comes across, which is sexist. I don't ever recall seeing a similar thread or poll about male politicians. 

 
squistion said:
It really doesn't matter what the intent was, it matters how it comes across, which is sexist. I don't ever recall seeing a similar thread or poll about male politicians. 
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:pics: You have every right not to comment, but since it's the only thing interesting on the board right now, you can't stop yourself, can you squis?

And you totally missed the joke, but quelle surprise.

And intent always matters. If it didn't matter, we'd have a totally listener-based and subjective ethic about speech, but we don't have that in this country and in most countries. But you don't think deeply enough to have considered that, so I'm, again... quelle surprise.

 
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KarmaPolice said:
Not just in here.  It was sort of sickening listening to men and women talking about HRC when she ran.    A bit of talk about her voice, couldn't keep a leash on her man, how she looked and dressed, etc..  a lot of dressing down of stuff that has 0 to do with qualifications for being POTUS.  
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 Exactly.

One of the few positives of the Trump era is that so many have been exposed for their misogyny and racism.  We can stop pretending that there are only a fringe few on the right with those views.  

 
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