MCguidance
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Welp that'll do it. WW scores.
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Mount Union (OH) invitational began last weekend... (2 Viewers)
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The Man With No Name
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Congrats to UWW.
These two will probably be 1&2 next year too.
These two will probably be 1&2 next year too.
Hunterbeer
Footballguy
What a great game. As a Washington & Lee undergrad, love the D-III playoffs. Glad the snow did not cancel this classic.
offdee
Footballguy
WARHAWKS! Great game to watch and excited for the school. The top WR (#3) for Whitewater, the dude that jumped from the 5yrd line and full out Superman'd the TD, was from my High School as well. Great to see these kids get national exposure like that, can't imagine how awesome that must feel.
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Zow
Footballguy
Nothing beats Clemens Stadium. Sports Illustrated rated it the 6th best overall place to watch a game of any level.
AAABatteries
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Seems like a thread title change might be needed.
The Man With No Name
Footballguy
#2 Mount Union won 49-0 over St. Lawrence in the opening of the D3 playoffs today.
#1 Wisconsin Whitewater won 52-21 over Franklin
Could be another repeat title game this year.
#1 Wisconsin Whitewater won 52-21 over Franklin
Could be another repeat title game this year.
Samuel L Bronkowitz
Footballguy
Yet they get a 2 seed
Fantasy_Freak
Footballguy
uwillbsoon
Footballguy
To be fair, Franklin gave them a game. It was a 7 point game at the half. But I agree, they deserved a 1 seed over North Central.Yet they get a 2 seed
I was at the St. Thomas/Benedictine game. No offense to Benedictine fans, but I'm not sure that team would win a game in the MIAC. Maybe they'd beat Hamline, but it'd be a close game.
St. Thomas was getting 10 yards a carry for much of the game. They started passing up 40, and I think it's because Benedictine couldn't stop the run and they were trying not to run up the score. Ran a quadruple reverse, a double reverse pass, a throwback on a punt return. They were just toying with Benedictine.
Can't wait to check out the St. Thomas/Linfield rematch next week. Hopefully it's warmer than the 20 degrees it was today
. Freaking cold, man.Larry Kehres got his 300th win today if I'm not mistaken. Against, what, 22 losses? That's insane. 19 straight conference titles. 10 championships in 17 years. I wish the Gophers would make him an offer he couldn't refuse.
Here's hoping the Tommies can get to the semis so I get to see Mount Union live. Be interesting to see what Caruso's O - which was unstoppable today - can do against that impressive Mount Union D.
I'm not convinced the Tommies will get out of the West, though. I'm still not convinced that D is good enough. And even with Waldvogel, I think if you force them to pass and can contain Tracy in the pocket, you'll beat them. Tracy isn't a great passer.
uwillbsoon
Footballguy
Just got back from another epic D3 playoff game. God, I love D3 football.
St. Thomas pulled off a 24-17 2OT thriller over Linfield. After both teams tried their damnedest to lose that game, the final two minutes and OT were thrilling. Linfield scores on a fourth down play with 17 seconds left to tie the game at 17. They then miss a 47 yard FG in OT (their third missed FG of the game), meaning the Tommies just have to move the ball a little bit to setup the game winning FG.
Not so fast. Colin Tobin fumbles, Linfield recovers, and we're going to a second OT.
It the second OT, Fritz Waldvogel makes a diving catch on third down in the end zone and the Tommies look like at worst they'll be headed to a third OT. Which looks likely as Linfield moves inside the 10. After a nice run, Linfield fumbles, the Tommies recover and they're moving on to the Quarterfinals for a second year in a row.
And MIAC leaguemates Bethel will be their opponents. Should be a great game.
Like I said last week, you beat the Tommies by making them pass. Linfield shut down the run game and Dakota Tracy threw four INTs and had a fifth nullified by a defensive penalty. Bethel has perhaps the best run D in the nation outside of Alliance, Ohio, which is how they limited the Tommies to 10 points the first time around. So they've got a shot.
But Bethel's Achilles Heel is their kicking game. They're so bad, they aren't even guaranteed to make XPs.
I love Bethel's style, their coach is a class act who turned around perhaps the worst team in D3. So I'm rooting for them. But I also wouldn't mind seeing the Tommies win so that Mount Union has to travel to Minnesota in Dec., something they've never had to do, even when my Johnnies were a better team than them.
And Whitewater almost tumbled today, too. Tied at 31 in the third quarter? Man, I thought they'd cruise to the title, but they aren't the dominant defense I thought they were.
St. Thomas pulled off a 24-17 2OT thriller over Linfield. After both teams tried their damnedest to lose that game, the final two minutes and OT were thrilling. Linfield scores on a fourth down play with 17 seconds left to tie the game at 17. They then miss a 47 yard FG in OT (their third missed FG of the game), meaning the Tommies just have to move the ball a little bit to setup the game winning FG.
Not so fast. Colin Tobin fumbles, Linfield recovers, and we're going to a second OT.
It the second OT, Fritz Waldvogel makes a diving catch on third down in the end zone and the Tommies look like at worst they'll be headed to a third OT. Which looks likely as Linfield moves inside the 10. After a nice run, Linfield fumbles, the Tommies recover and they're moving on to the Quarterfinals for a second year in a row.
And MIAC leaguemates Bethel will be their opponents. Should be a great game.
Like I said last week, you beat the Tommies by making them pass. Linfield shut down the run game and Dakota Tracy threw four INTs and had a fifth nullified by a defensive penalty. Bethel has perhaps the best run D in the nation outside of Alliance, Ohio, which is how they limited the Tommies to 10 points the first time around. So they've got a shot.
But Bethel's Achilles Heel is their kicking game. They're so bad, they aren't even guaranteed to make XPs.
I love Bethel's style, their coach is a class act who turned around perhaps the worst team in D3. So I'm rooting for them. But I also wouldn't mind seeing the Tommies win so that Mount Union has to travel to Minnesota in Dec., something they've never had to do, even when my Johnnies were a better team than them.
And Whitewater almost tumbled today, too. Tied at 31 in the third quarter? Man, I thought they'd cruise to the title, but they aren't the dominant defense I thought they were.
uwillbsoon
Footballguy
6 inches of fresh snow up here in the frozen tundra and playoff football. You D1 fans don't know what you're missing. This is going to be old school football in the frigid north. Have fun with your bowl games in pristine locations where whatever teams has the most athletes wins. Football was meant to be played outdoors in the elements.Sorry, I'm just bitter at D1 because the Gophers suck.
The Man With No Name
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Not sure how to find it out, but UWW is probably one of the biggest D3 schools. They have more students than TCU does and have a bigger stadium. They have 4x the enrollment that Mount Union does.
Bronco Billy
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Record enrollment this year of 11,432 students. If I remember correctly enrollment was around 8,800 when I went there way back in the late70s/early 80s. And the stadium there is pretty awesome. So are the bars.link
Enrollment at TCU is 8,200
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Enrollment at Mount Union is 2,193. It is a private school, whereas Whitewater is a public university - so one would expect a much smaller enrollment
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Bronco Billy
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uwillbsoon
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Bethel looked impressive taking out St. Thomas 12-7. Logan Flannery finished with 200 yards on 38 carries. St. Thomas sorely missed Gagliardi Trophy candidate Ben Wartman and do everything WR Fritz Waldvogel. But that Bethel defense was swarming all day. Just two first downs in the second half for St. Thomas. Bethel only threw the ball four times and didn't trust their kicker on extra points, going - and failing - twice for two.That makes me think they have no chance against Mount. You can't leave points on the field. And they are too one-dimensional on offense. Mount Union will stop the run. Still, it was a nice run to the Final Four for a team that I don't think was even ranked in the top 25 in the preseason. Love the way they play football - ram the ball down your throat and stop the run. It's not pretty, but it's effective. And they don't make mistakes. Just fundamentally sound football. I admit, I'm a closet Bethel fan.
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uwillbsoon
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They don't have a bigger stadium, do they? It only seats 11,500? TCU has got to be bigger than that?I've always felt the WIAC should be D2. All those Wisconsin schools are the size of D2 schools, aren't they?
The Man With No Name
Footballguy
Whoops. Don't know where that came from. No they don't.
offdee
Footballguy
That's why we're always so good (former UWW QB)Wisconsin doesn't have any D2 football schools....so if you want to stay state and aren't quite up to Badger par, than you have quite a few D2 calibre talents playing in a D3 program.We actually had a few D1 talents on my squad....one of my WRs was on scholarship at Michigan St. Total stud, but also total F-up with the law and attitude (hence why he was no longer a Spartan)
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Bronco Billy
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The division has nothing to do with the size of a school. It has to do with the number of athletic scholarships offered. DIII schools offer no scholarships.
Samuel L Bronkowitz
Footballguy
I could be mistaken but they do offer "athletic grants" though, no?
offdee
Footballguy
Nah, just $20 handshakes from boostersI could be mistaken but they do offer "athletic grants" though, no?The division has nothing to do with the size of a school. It has to do with the number of athletic scholarships offered. DIII schools offer no scholarships.
I know this is a year later, but that is pretty cool. I actually went to both schools (graduated from Wesleyan) and they were a blast to go to. One of my fondest memories was when our kicker missed a 29 yarder to end the half. For those not familiar with DIII, it is like small school H.S. games and the kids run around the field during the half. My hockey team was sharing a keg and our goalie joked that he could have made that kick. he was an ex-soccer goalie, and we had to prove it. In one shot, he got it done...we moved him back and he did it again. He finally missed on what people said was a 50 yarder...guy was so drunk he could barely stand (of course there was no pressure or team against him), but was still awesome.
uwillbsoon
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I understand that. But D3 is for the most part made up of small, private schools with rigorous admittance standards. This may be ignorance on my part, but it just seems odd that the WIAC is in D3 - they don't have those same academic requirements do they? In MN, schools like UMD, SCSU, Bemidji, etc. are comparable to WIAC schools. They're all D2.I don't have a serious issue with it because it's just D3 football, but it seems odd.The division has nothing to do with the size of a school. It has to do with the number of athletic scholarships offered. DIII schools offer no scholarships.
uwillbsoon
Footballguy
I had a glimmer of hope that Bethel could hang with Mount. But then Cecil Shorts took over, Bethel made one mistake and it's 24-7 at the half. There's a reason they call Mount Union "The Machine".
belljr
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Yes you can receive "grants" to playI could be mistaken but they do offer "athletic grants" though, no?The division has nothing to do with the size of a school. It has to do with the number of athletic scholarships offered. DIII schools offer no scholarships.
Balco
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My brother was an offensive lineman for Colby, and I had several friends who played football at Trinity. Love going to NESCAC games. Many great memories going to games. Some that I can't remember because I was drinking a little too much. Just very laid back atmosphere. Wesleyan is usually an interesting time. Went to one game and there were a bunch of students dressed up like Dracula, except it wasn't Halloween.
uwillbsoon
Footballguy
So Mount Union vs. Whitewater VI. Man, someone has to knock one of these teams off at some point, right? This is a crazy good run they've both been on.
Gotta say, though, I like it. Makes for great football. Last year's game was so damn crisp. Those were two of the best coached teams on any level. They just execute so well - both of them. They don't make mistakes.
Gotta say, though, I like it. Makes for great football. Last year's game was so damn crisp. Those were two of the best coached teams on any level. They just execute so well - both of them. They don't make mistakes.
Samuel L Bronkowitz
Footballguy
I'm surprised that UW made it this far this year. Their defense hasn't been up to par. Either way, this thread title might need to be changed
wadegarrett
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The Man With No Name
Footballguy
Mount Union's punter sucks bad
Steve Tasker
Footballguy
Back-and-forth game here, but these teams can't stop turning it over.
Steve Tasker
Footballguy
Also, try to say "Wisconsin-Whitewater Warhawks" 5 times fast...
The Kerminator
Footballguy
Can we change the thread title?
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
You get a free swampwater at the Pumping Station if you can do it...Great game. Some mistakes, but a lot of those mistakes were forced by good plays by the other team. 2 heavyweights punching and counterpunching. I think unfortunately some people expect to see Div I football being played. If these kids could get scholarships to play football, the vast majority wouldn't be playing in this game. Congrats to my Warhawks, and kudos to Mt Union for being there yet again.
offdee
Footballguy
Care to unpack this statement....not sure I'm getting it.
The Man With No Name
Footballguy
#1 Wiscinsin Whitewater and #2 Mount Union are 1 win away from meeting for the 7th straight time for the Division III Title.
Doug B
Footballguy
Curious about opinions on something: Could these squads conceivably beat ANY FBS team? Even the dregs of C-USA (Tulane, Memphis), the MAC (Akron), or the Sun Belt (MTSU, Florida Atlantic)?If not, what's the highest level at which they can find an opponent that they could realistically beat? A mediocre FCS? A poor FCS team? The worst of the FCS teams? Do we have to dip down into Division II?
They might be able to hang with a team for a half, but depth/size would take over. Sort of similar to LSU against Western Kentucky this year. LSU was up 14-7 at the half and then size/speed/depth took over in the second half.It will be tough for them to hang with D2 teams since D3 can't give athletic scholarships. Maybe the really bad D2 teams.
roadkill1292
Footballguy
Is this a good thing?
The Kerminator
Footballguy
Is it time to rename the thread title?
UW-Whitewater
UW-Whitewater
offdee
Footballguy
I played at Whitewater. Many are D2 caliber athletes. If you want to stay in Wisconsin and play college football there are no D2 schools...so you're either top notch and go to Madison (Badgers), or you drop down to D3 level.In my situation I had the opportunity to walk on at Madison, get a D2 scholarship out of state or play D3 in state at Whitewater. I knew I wasn't going pro so opted for the in state Whitewater route. A few of my teammates played a year at Michigan St and Purdue, etc. and decided to play closer to home for various reasons.We couldnt compete with any D1 schools probably, but could hang tough with a number of D2 level schools I believe.
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
Congrats to the Warhawks!
The Man With No Name
Footballguy
Title change: Wisonsin Whitewater - Mount Union Invitational
