Muslims in NYC Planning to Build Second Mosque Near Ground Zero (2 Viewers)

[Statorama]

Has it been built? Or is it still that empty Burlington Coat Factory we all loved.

 

[the moops]

Was the Million Mom March held in the nation's capitol on the day we celebrate our mutual American identity?

You need to find something a little more important to get upset about.

 

[jon_mx]

Was the Million Mom March held in the nation's capitol on the day we celebrate our mutual American identity?

You need to find something a little more important to get upset about.

Yes, let's get back to important stuff like Palm trees in Madison.

 

[Jewell]

Was the Million Mom March held in the nation's capitol on the day we celebrate our mutual American identity?

You need to find something a little more important to get upset about.

The next time you give a substantive answer will be the first time.

 

[jon_mx]

Has it been built? Or is it still that empty Burlington Coat Factory we all loved.

They should kill the project for ugliness.

 

[the moops]

Was the Million Mom March held in the nation's capitol on the day we celebrate our mutual American identity?

You need to find something a little more important to get upset about.

The next time you give a substantive answer will be the first time.

You post such ridiculous stuff sometimes you make Ham seem sane. Sorry.

 

[the moops]

Has it been built? Or is it still that empty Burlington Coat Factory we all loved.

They should kill the project for ugliness.

I think it is a pretty bad ### looking building. Link

 

[Jewell]

Was the Million Mom March held in the nation's capitol on the day we celebrate our mutual American identity?

You need to find something a little more important to get upset about.

The next time you give a substantive answer will be the first time.

You post such ridiculous stuff sometimes you make Ham seem sane. Sorry.

You're entitled to your opinion, but I feel exceedingly confident that people respect my opinion on most matters over your opinion. I'll give you ukelele making, though.EDIT: I'll give you Indie rock, too.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

So then why not include "American" in the title of their event? Why not the One Million-Muslim American March?

Maybe because they didn't want to exclude non-American Muslim residents? No one expected the Million Mom March to identify themselves as the Million American Mom March, did they?

Was the Million Mom March held in the nation's capitol on the day we celebrate our mutual American identity?

Exactly what is your issue with them holding their march on July 4th? You think it's some conspiracy to overthrow Americans with Muslim beliefs??

 

[Mario Kart]

So then why not include "American" in the title of their event? Why not the One Million-Muslim American March?

Maybe because they didn't want to exclude non-American Muslim residents? No one expected the Million Mom March to identify themselves as the Million American Mom March, did they?

Was the Million Mom March held in the nation's capitol on the day we celebrate our mutual American identity?

Exactly what is your issue with them holding their march on July 4th? You think it's some conspiracy to overthrow Americans with Muslim beliefs??

I don't mind them marching on July 4th. Now, if they were marching on August 2nd... I would have a problem with that. A huge problem.

 

[the moops]

Was the Million Mom March held in the nation's capitol on the day we celebrate our mutual American identity?

You need to find something a little more important to get upset about.

The next time you give a substantive answer will be the first time.

You post such ridiculous stuff sometimes you make Ham seem sane. Sorry.

You're entitled to your opinion, but I feel exceedingly confident that people respect my opinion on most matters over your opinion. I'll give you ukelele making, though.EDIT: I'll give you Indie rock, too.

Fair enough.I'll take those two things, you get the rest.

 

[Thunderlips]

jon_mx has argued in this thread that the location of the "Ground Zero" mosque is an intentional .

Others have argued the location is merely coincidence.

Does the location and date of the following event give you any second thoughts on the above positions?

I'll use the groups own narrative to be as fair as possible...

One Million Muslims.org is the organizer and presenter of the upcoming One Million Muslim March. The planned event is not to be an actual march, but rather a gathering of Muslims from across the US, at the Anacostia Park in Washington DC, July 4, 2011. The One Million Muslim March will be a gathering of Muslims from across sectarian, ideological, racial, ethnic,language and all other barriers. We will come together to re-establish the feelings of brother and sisterhood among Muslim Americans, and to begin the difficult process of post 9/11 healing. Please visit this website often for news and updates regarding the march.

If it's not an actual march then why keep calling it a march?

That Muslims love the freedom this country affords as much as non-Muslims do and are going to show that freedom on one of the most important days in this countries history?

So then why not include "American" in the title of their event? Why not the One Million-Muslim American March? The word "American" is noticeably absent.That's my main issue with the date and location. I have no problem with law abiding well intentioned people of any background but Independence Day in our nation's capitol should be a day we stress the American part of Muslim-American, African-American, Irish-American, or Italian-American. It shouldn't be the day we celebrate the Mulim part, or African part, or Irish part, or Italian part of those terms. There are better days to celebrate that aspect of those terms.

I think that's what most people were also arguing with regard to the mosque location. Those proposing that location claim it was intended to bring people together. It soon became obvious, though, that the proposed location was causing a greater rift. When I see a situation where the outcome is obviously contrary to the stated intent, it make me question the intent.

The examples that you've used above are ethnicity (or location) and not religion. I've never heard Christians call themselves Christian Americans. And while I don't particularly agree with the location of the mosque....I don't really think that the person who is upset (Americans upset over the mosque)should take precedence over people who have a legal right to do something (the Muslims and their mosque). That's not really a good precedent to get into.

 

[BobbyLayne]

http://gothamist.com/2014/04/30/ground_zero_mosque_developer_will_b.php

'Ground Zero' Mosque Developer Will Build Muslim Museum InsteadAfter four years as a lightning rod for conservative and anti-Muslim groups, as well as some families of 9/11 victims, the long-planned Muslim community center and prayer space located blocks from the World Trade Center site—aka the "Ground Zero" mosque—might actually become a different kind of space.

According to the NY Times, "Sharif El-Gamal, the developer, said through a spokesman that instead of a $100 million, 15-story community center and prayer space, he now planned a smaller, three-story museum 'dedicated to exploring the faith of Islam and its arts and culture.' The building would also include a sanctuary for prayer services and community programs." Guess he abandoned that "Soho House for Muslims" idea, too.

El-Gamal, who has admitted past mistakes with his Park 51 plan, says that he's asked Pritzker Prize-winning architect Jean Nouvel (he designed this luxury condo building) to design the building; also, there will be "public green space," the Times reports. His spokesman Hank Sheinkopf explained the building will be 5000 square feet, "This is a more tailored approach, both physically and programmatically. It will prove to be an important addition to the neighborhood and to New York City’s arts and cultural community."

Jihad Watch's Robert Spencer told the Times that he wasn't fooled, "The structure as you describe it would be as grotesque as a three-story museum dedicated to exploring the faith of Shintoism and emperor-worship, and its arts and culture, with a sanctuary for prayer services and community programs, at Pearl Harbor." Additionally, the museum plan isn't fully financed and there's no timeline for construction.

Last year, plane wreckage from 9/11 was found behind the building.

 

[El Floppo]

Nouvel rocks- the building should be awesome.

That said, a museum isn't exactly going to serve the neighborhood as much as a community center, IMO.