Muslims in NYC Planning to Build Second Mosque Near Ground Zero (1 Viewer)

[JHuber77]

I have a question for anyone who follows Islam. I asked this in another thread but it went unresponded to. Maybe people are too sensative or don't know the answer.

If people of the Islam religion pray to Mecca in the east, what happens if you live one block east of Mecca? Do you turn around and pray west or do you let you let your prayers go all the way around the world? I know I'm the infidel for asking but I would really like to know the answer

 

[Offa]

I have a question for anyone who follows Islam. I asked this in another thread but it went unresponded to. Maybe people are too sensative or don't know the answer. If people of the Islam religion pray to Mecca in the east, what happens if you live one block east of Mecca? Do you turn around and pray west or do you let you let your prayers go all the way around the world? I know I'm the infidel for asking but I would really like to know the answer

You always pray in the direction of the Kabah, whether it's east or west or whatever.

 

[Statorama]

I have a question for anyone who follows Islam. I asked this in another thread but it went unresponded to. Maybe people are too sensative or don't know the answer. If people of the Islam religion pray to Mecca in the east, what happens if you live one block east of Mecca? Do you turn around and pray west or do you let you let your prayers go all the way around the world? I know I'm the infidel for asking but I would really like to know the answer

This also brings into question what Australian Muslims should do.Foos>hi

 

[Foosball God]

In this country (USA) they are free to build a mosque anywhere that any other religion could construct a building.

Not questioning the legality, only their insistence on wontonly rubbing 9/11 in the faces of those most affected by the atrocity.I hate that people are starting to "forget" 9/11.

You are an idiot.

I'm quite certain that my mental capacity surpasses yours. Edit: With the exclusion of HDTV related issues. I'm kind of a rube in regard to that subject matter.Your contribution(?) to this thread kind of underscores that.

My contribution was the only response that was necessary for your diarrhea of the mouth.

 

[Statorama]

In this country (USA) they are free to build a mosque anywhere that any other religion could construct a building.

Not questioning the legality, only their insistence on wontonly rubbing 9/11 in the faces of those most affected by the atrocity.I hate that people are starting to "forget" 9/11.

You are an idiot.

I'm quite certain that my mental capacity surpasses yours. Edit: With the exclusion of HDTV related issues. I'm kind of a rube in regard to that subject matter.Your contribution(?) to this thread kind of underscores that.

My contribution was the only response that was necessary for your diarrhea of the mouth.

Are you sure you want to dance with me? Because I love to dance.

 

[Foosball God]

Are you sure you want to dance with me? Because I love to dance.

You're as good a dancer as Elaine Benes. Knock yourself out.

 

[Flying V]

I have a question for anyone who follows Islam. I asked this in another thread but it went unresponded to. Maybe people are too sensative or don't know the answer. If people of the Islam religion pray to Mecca in the east, what happens if you live one block east of Mecca? Do you turn around and pray west or do you let you let your prayers go all the way around the world? I know I'm the infidel for asking but I would really like to know the answer

This also brings into question what Australian Muslims should do.Foos>hi

How about the eskimo explorer muslim that ventures too close to the magnetic north pole. With his compass out of wack, a GPS becomes mandatory, no?

 

[JHuber77]

Good one confusious!

 

[oneohh]

In this country (USA) they are free to build a mosque anywhere that any other religion could construct a building.

Not questioning the legality, only their insistence on wontonly rubbing 9/11 in the faces of those most affected by the atrocity.I hate that people are starting to "forget" 9/11.

What exactly is the importance of remembering the events that happened? It doesn't change anything. Call me "unpatriotic", but atrocities such as these are better forgotten.

Tell that to the Jews.

And the American slaves.

 

[gianmarco]

Getting a little testy at a NYC hearing

 

[kface]

Its so sad...what is wrong with some people in this country

 

[Proud Communist]

I too think this is a good thing. It underscores religious freedom in our country. However, it is not only Fox News that is covering as some have incorrectly posted. From ABC News, a similar story.

But that probably won't stop a good Fox News bashing so early in the morning. Why let facts get in a way of faux outrage?

 

[flufhed]

Liberal, anti-war inclusive tree-hugger weighing in here, and between this and the huge mosque they are building down there, I don't like it. Not at all.

all religions, especially muslims, have a history of erecting mosques/religious builidings on the site of vanquished/destroyed buildings of other religions. The practice is as old as the muslim religion itself, and indeed Christianity, too.

To me, it is hard to see this, but more so the big gigantic mosque, as anything other than sending a very powerful message about winners and losers, at least it will be seen that way in the Muslim world, no doubt.

All that said, I don't think there is a #### thing anyone can, or should, do about it. That's the greatness of our country, that people can do this and send this kind of message.

However, some nutjob may very well take things into his own hands.

 

[Donsmith753]

Be the bigger man here. So many muslims are against what happened on that day and why should they be punished for the mistakes of others.

 

[perry147]

Liberal, anti-war inclusive tree-hugger weighing in here, and between this and the huge mosque they are building down there, I don't like it. Not at all.all religions, especially muslims, have a history of erecting mosques/religious builidings on the site of vanquished/destroyed buildings of other religions. The practice is as old as the muslim religion itself, and indeed Christianity, too.To me, it is hard to see this, but more so the big gigantic mosque, as anything other than sending a very powerful message about winners and losers, at least it will be seen that way in the Muslim world, no doubt.All that said, I don't think there is a #### thing anyone can, or should, do about it. That's the greatness of our country, that people can do this and send this kind of message.However, some nutjob may very well take things into his own hands.

Many Muslims in the world trade center died on 9/11 - if we do not allow for the freedom to build the mosque then we are saying this is a religious war and it is not. This is a war of fanatics who use religion as a tool to manufacture hatred.

 

[Lake Titicaca]

Liberal, anti-war inclusive tree-hugger weighing in here, and between this and the huge mosque they are building down there, I don't like it. Not at all.

all religions, especially muslims, have a history of erecting mosques/religious builidings on the site of vanquished/destroyed buildings of other religions. The practice is as old as the muslim religion itself, and indeed Christianity, too.

To me, it is hard to see this, but more so the big gigantic mosque, as anything other than sending a very powerful message about winners and losers, at least it will be seen that way in the Muslim world, no doubt.

All that said, I don't think there is a #### thing anyone can, or should, do about it. That's the greatness of our country, that people can do this and send this kind of message.

However, some nutjob may very well take things into his own hands.

Many Westerned, sell-out blaspheming Muslims in the world trade center died as necessary and appropriate sacrifices on 9/11 - if we do not allow for the freedom to build the mosque then we are saying this is a religious war and it is not. This is a war of fanatics who use religion as a tool to manufacture hatred.

I agree with flufhead that the symbolism will be perceived by the Muslim world and might even be intended by the Muslims supporting this mosque (see also, Dome of the Rock). You still do it though because this is our society and its values and not theirs.

 

[Fennis]

Holy ####, I'm not on twitter, but I may follow my first person. Sarah Palin, who else:

Ground Zero Mosque supporters: doesn’t it stab you in the heart, as it does ours throughout the heartland? Peaceful Muslims, pls refudiate

Peaceful New Yorkers, pls refute the Ground Zero mosque plan if you believe catastrophic pain caused @ Twin Towers site is too raw, too real

Peace-seeking Muslims, pls understand, Ground Zero mosque is UNNECESSARY provocation; it stabs hearts. Pls reject it in interest of healing

 

[Fennis]

I have a question for anyone who follows Islam. I asked this in another thread but it went unresponded to. Maybe people are too sensative or don't know the answer.

If people of the Islam religion pray to Mecca in the east, what happens if you live one block east of Mecca? Do you turn around and pray west or do you let you let your prayers go all the way around the world? I know I'm the infidel for asking but I would really like to know the answer

Indonesian Muslims told to change prayer direction

 

[Mister Martie]

refudiate

 

[pantagrapher]

refudiate

"Refudiate," "misunderestimate," "wee-wee'd up." English is a living language. Shakespeare liked to coin new words too. Got to celebrate it!

 

[squistion]

refudiate

"Refudiate," "misunderestimate," "wee-wee'd up." English is a living language. Shakespeare liked to coin new words too. Got to celebrate it!

Only Palin could mangle the English language like that and then spin it by comparing herself to Shakespeare.

 

[djmich]

Be the bigger man here. So many muslims are against what happened on that day and why should they be punished for the mistakes of others.

Is it really punishment?BTW, are you still actively managing that team in your sig?

 

[Da Guru]

Getting a little testy at a NYC hearing

Of all places a muslim mosque could be built, why build on the same soil where muslim terrorists killed over 3000 innocent people? And wrecked have on the whole city? If built it will always be a bone of contention and protests.

 

[Mr. Retukes]

Pretty sure "refudiate" was coined by Jesse Jackson, so if you make fun of her then you are a racist.

 

[Mr. Retukes]

Getting a little testy at a NYC hearing

Of all places a muslim mosque could be built, why build on the same soil where muslim terrorists killed over 3000 innocent people? And wrecked have on the whole city? If built it will always be a bone of contention and protests.

Maybe they're building the mosque because people like you won't change their mindset otherwise?

 

[Fennis]

Getting a little testy at a NYC hearing

Of all places a muslim mosque could be built, why build on the same soil where muslim terrorists killed over 3000 innocent people? And wrecked have on the whole city? If built it will always be a bone of contention and protests.

they arent bulding it at ground zero.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

pls refudiate

 

[Jewell]

Of all places a muslim mosque could be built, why build on the same soil where muslim terrorists killed over 3000 innocent people? And wrecked have on the whole city? If built it will always be a bone of contention and protests.

I agree with you. If I was a member of a group who's other members committed an atrocity, I'd try to have an understanding and compassion for how those affected felt. And I get that the terrorists don't represent the overwhelming majority of peaceful Muslims. Not all white Americans were responsible for slavery, but most of us try to show an understanding and compassion for black people regarding that issue. Not all Germans were responsible for the Holocaust, but most Germans try to show an understanding to Jewish people regarding that issue. It just seems like the right thing to do. I wish the Muslims pushing for this mosque at that location would show a little more understanding and compassion.

And wrecked have on the whole city?

Are you using some sort of speech recognition software? If so, you need to upgrade.

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

Hate to say it but I agree with Palin on this one.

 

[Da Guru]

Getting a little testy at a NYC hearing

Of all places a muslim mosque could be built, why build on the same soil where muslim terrorists killed over 3000 innocent people? And wrecked have on the whole city? If built it will always be a bone of contention and protests.

Maybe they're building the mosque because people like you won't change their mindset otherwise?

Why build there? Seems like the worst possible choice.

 

[Fennis]

Of all places a muslim mosque could be built, why build on the same soil where muslim terrorists killed over 3000 innocent people? And wrecked have on the whole city? If built it will always be a bone of contention and protests.

I agree with you. If I was a member of a group who\'s other members committed an atrocity, I\'d try to have an understanding and compassion for how those affected felt. And I get that the terrorists don\'t represent the overwhelming majority of peaceful Muslims. Not all white Americans were responsible for slavery, but most of us try to show an understanding and compassion for black people regarding that issue. Not all Germans were responsible for the Holocaust, but most Germans try to show an understanding to Jewish people regarding that issue. It just seems like the right thing to do. I wish the Muslims pushing for this mosque at that location would show a little more understanding and compassion.

How far from ground zero is appropriate? 2 blocks? 5 blocks? 1 mile? 10 miles? 100 miles?

 

[Da Guru]

Of all places a muslim mosque could be built, why build on the same soil where muslim terrorists killed over 3000 innocent people? And wrecked have on the whole city? If built it will always be a bone of contention and protests.

I agree with you. If I was a member of a group who\'s other members committed an atrocity, I\'d try to have an understanding and compassion for how those affected felt. And I get that the terrorists don\'t represent the overwhelming majority of peaceful Muslims. Not all white Americans were responsible for slavery, but most of us try to show an understanding and compassion for black people regarding that issue. Not all Germans were responsible for the Holocaust, but most Germans try to show an understanding to Jewish people regarding that issue. It just seems like the right thing to do. I wish the Muslims pushing for this mosque at that location would show a little more understanding and compassion.

How far from ground zero is appropriate? 2 blocks? 5 blocks? 1 mile? 10 miles? 100 miles?

At least 10 out of respect.

 

[Tremendous Upside]

Of all places a muslim mosque could be built, why build on the same soil where muslim terrorists killed over 3000 innocent people? And wrecked have on the whole city? If built it will always be a bone of contention and protests.

I agree with you. If I was a member of a group who\'s other members committed an atrocity, I\'d try to have an understanding and compassion for how those affected felt. And I get that the terrorists don\'t represent the overwhelming majority of peaceful Muslims. Not all white Americans were responsible for slavery, but most of us try to show an understanding and compassion for black people regarding that issue. Not all Germans were responsible for the Holocaust, but most Germans try to show an understanding to Jewish people regarding that issue. It just seems like the right thing to do. I wish the Muslims pushing for this mosque at that location would show a little more understanding and compassion.

How far from ground zero is appropriate? 2 blocks? 5 blocks? 1 mile? 10 miles? 100 miles?

At least 10 out of respect.

Well that just seems entirely arbitrary

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

Are they cool with a cathedral in Mecca?

 

[Mr. Retukes]

Of all places a muslim mosque could be built, why build on the same soil where muslim terrorists killed over 3000 innocent people? And wrecked have on the whole city? If built it will always be a bone of contention and protests.

I agree with you. If I was a member of a group who\'s other members committed an atrocity, I\'d try to have an understanding and compassion for how those affected felt. And I get that the terrorists don\'t represent the overwhelming majority of peaceful Muslims. Not all white Americans were responsible for slavery, but most of us try to show an understanding and compassion for black people regarding that issue. Not all Germans were responsible for the Holocaust, but most Germans try to show an understanding to Jewish people regarding that issue. It just seems like the right thing to do. I wish the Muslims pushing for this mosque at that location would show a little more understanding and compassion.

How far from ground zero is appropriate? 2 blocks? 5 blocks? 1 mile? 10 miles? 100 miles?

At least 10 out of respect.

Well that just seems entirely arbitrary

Would you believe......9 blocks and an extra large sunshade?

 

[Fennis]

Are they cool with a cathedral in Mecca?

I'm not sure which is more off base, comparing ground zero to Mecca or holding up Saudi Arabia as the standard.

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

Are they cool with a cathedral in Mecca?

I'm not sure which is more off base, comparing ground zero to Mecca or holding up Saudi Arabia as the standard.

Who was doing either of those?

 

[Fennis]

Are they cool with a cathedral in Mecca?

I'm not sure which is more off base, comparing ground zero to Mecca or holding up Saudi Arabia as the standard.

Who was doing either of those?

I guess I misunderstood your question, when you said

Hate to say it but I agree with Palin on this one.

My apologies. I didn't know you were asking a question you didn’t know the answer to. No, they aren’t cool with a cathedral in Mecca. I can recommend some articles on the lack of freedom of religion in Saudi Arabia if you are interested in learning more about the topic.

 

[flufhed]

Are they cool with a cathedral in Mecca?

Of course, especially after some christian extremists bomb it first. That would no doubt be well received.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

Are they cool with a cathedral in Mecca?

Probably not. That's the point.

 

[Homer J Simpson]

It should be pointed out (again) that the “Ground Zero mosque” these idiots are ranting about is actually a proposed community center with an auditorium, swimming pool, and restaurants, in addition to a mosque. It would be housed in an existing 13-story building that’s two blocks away from Ground Zero and has no view of the area; there are two very big buildings in between the proposed community center and Ground Zero. Here is an embedded Google Map in which you can clearly see that the idea of this being a “Ground Zero mosque” is a ridiculous paranoid fantasy.

Link

 

[Tremendous Upside]

It should be pointed out (again) that the “Ground Zero mosque” these idiots are ranting about is actually a proposed community center with an auditorium, swimming pool, and restaurants, in addition to a mosque. It would be housed in an existing 13-story building that’s two blocks away from Ground Zero and has no view of the area; there are two very big buildings in between the proposed community center and Ground Zero. Here is an embedded Google Map in which you can clearly see that the idea of this being a “Ground Zero mosque” is a ridiculous paranoid fantasy.

Link

There are strip clubs closer to Ground Zero than this mosqueIt offends me as an American and a New Yorker to have these mouth breathers telling me what I should and shouldn't find offensive about this

You know what I find offensive?

Religious intolerance...you know, like the kind of ignorance and hatred that caused people to fly planes into those towers in the first place

 

[flufhed]

It should be pointed out (again) that the “Ground Zero mosque” these idiots are ranting about is actually a proposed community center with an auditorium, swimming pool, and restaurants, in addition to a mosque. It would be housed in an existing 13-story building that’s two blocks away from Ground Zero and has no view of the area; there are two very big buildings in between the proposed community center and Ground Zero. Here is an embedded Google Map in which you can clearly see that the idea of this being a “Ground Zero mosque” is a ridiculous paranoid fantasy.

Link

This causes me to re-think things.

 

[Jewell]

It offends me as an American and a New Yorker to have these mouth breathers telling me what I should and shouldn't find offensive about thisYou know what I find offensive?Religious intolerance...you know, like the kind of ignorance and hatred that caused people to fly planes into those towers in the first place

Opposing the construction of a mosque or Muslim community center near Ground Zero does not necessarily equal religious intolerance. For instance, I'm opposed to censorship but I think it's highly innapropriate for an idiot to wear a T-Shirt littered with swears to an event where there will be loads of little kids. Yet we see that all the time. Sure the guy has the right to wear the shirt, I just wish he'd practice better judgment about where to wear it.The same thing with Muslims in this case. I don't wish to deprive them of their right to practice their religion. I just wish they would exercise better judgment about where to practice their religion. We all have had to compromise something that we wanted to do because either our wife or our mother or a friend thought it was innapropriate. We may have disagreed but we did it anyway because it wasn't worth the fight when we saw how much it bothered them. Sicerely,A Mouth Breather

 

[squistion]

It should be pointed out (again) that the “Ground Zero mosque” these idiots are ranting about is actually a proposed community center with an auditorium, swimming pool, and restaurants, in addition to a mosque. It would be housed in an existing 13-story building that’s two blocks away from Ground Zero and has no view of the area; there are two very big buildings in between the proposed community center and Ground Zero. Here is an embedded Google Map in which you can clearly see that the idea of this being a “Ground Zero mosque” is a ridiculous paranoid fantasy.

Link

Thanks for posting this. Since Fox News has been running with this story, I figured there had to be more to this than what they were simply "reporting" (as usual).

 

[Tremendous Upside]

It offends me as an American and a New Yorker to have these mouth breathers telling me what I should and shouldn't find offensive about thisYou know what I find offensive?Religious intolerance...you know, like the kind of ignorance and hatred that caused people to fly planes into those towers in the first place

We all have had to compromise something that we wanted to do because either our wife or our mother or a friend thought it was innapropriate. We may have disagreed but we did it anyway because it wasn't worth the fight when we saw how much it bothered them.

This might be the worst analogy of all time

 

[SomeGuyNamedDavid]

Link

 

[pantagrapher]

There should be a 10-block buffer. But then if someone builds a mosque near the buffer, it's like they're thumbing their noses at the buffer, so there should be an additional 10-block buffer to prevent that.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

The feelings of these two groups (those opposed to the mosque vs. those in favor of the mosque) are grounded in people's individual feelings.

Those opposed to the mosque are surely basing that decision on personal feelings. Those unopposed may or may not have personal feelings on the matter, but recognize that their personal feelings don't trump the American ideals this mosque represents.

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

It should be pointed out (again) that the “Ground Zero mosque” these idiots are ranting about is actually a proposed community center with an auditorium, swimming pool, and restaurants, in addition to a mosque. It would be housed in an existing 13-story building that’s two blocks away from Ground Zero and has no view of the area; there are two very big buildings in between the proposed community center and Ground Zero. Here is an embedded Google Map in which you can clearly see that the idea of this being a “Ground Zero mosque” is a ridiculous paranoid fantasy.

Link

This causes me to re-think things.

Hopefully not strip clubs.