Muslims in NYC Planning to Build Second Mosque Near Ground Zero (1 Viewer)

[Radio Free Homer]

After 9/11, I only read a handful of newspaper articles about Muslin groups who expressed their "sorrow" while many countries repeatedly offered their help/condolences. To me, the lack of overwhelming condemnation of the attacks from the Muslim community is what's causing all this.

Why do they want to build it in this particular spot? Are there no other spots in NYC? Isn't the Muslim community trying to gain acceptance within our culture? If so, isn't this a move they should back off from as a "good-will gesture"?

I'm sure there are many Muslims who do truly want acceptance, just as there are many who wish us harm. I expect we wouldn't be having this debate about the location of the mosque if they had been A LOT more vocal in condemning 9/11, Al-Quada, etc. Until they do that, many Americans are going to continue to be suspicious of them as a whole.

So, for now, my emotional answer is "No, they should not build there". However, I also they realize they have every right to build there when it comes to our current laws and the Constitution.

Hi Mac. I'm gonna need you to apologize for some serious #### your people have done.First, killing our heroes

And killing our short shorts.

Your people have ruined basketball. What with all the balls and such.

Your people have tried to destroy girl-on-girl porn, too. APOLOGIZE!!!

And as a white devil, when are you going to apologize for this?

Basically, despite the ballbusting above, I consider your post absolutely disgusting. Because you didn't see condemnations in the paper, you're then willing to condemn an entire religion for the actions of a few? But hey, the split between normal Muslims and terrorists is only 50/50 in your opinion, right?

Also, I'd like you to apologize for Ireland. If not you, then I'm sure Jon or peens will apologize for #### their people perpetrated.

 

[ericttspikes]

"Islam, like every religion, has to be responsible for its biggest #######s."

Oliver added that there is also "a difference between what you can do and what you should do. For instance, you can build a Catholic church next to a playground. Should you?"

http://vodpod.com/watch/4247844-the-daily-...-but-should-you

 

[ConstruxBoy]

After 9/11, I only read a handful of newspaper articles about Muslin groups who expressed their "sorrow" while many countries repeatedly offered their help/condolences. To me, the lack of overwhelming condemnation of the attacks from the Muslim community is what's causing all this.

Why do they want to build it in this particular spot? Are there no other spots in NYC? Isn't the Muslim community trying to gain acceptance within our culture? If so, isn't this a move they should back off from as a "good-will gesture"?

I'm sure there are many Muslims who do truly want acceptance, just as there are many who wish us harm. I expect we wouldn't be having this debate about the location of the mosque if they had been A LOT more vocal in condemning 9/11, Al-Quada, etc. Until they do that, many Americans are going to continue to be suspicious of them as a whole.

So, for now, my emotional answer is "No, they should not build there". However, I also they realize they have every right to build there when it comes to our current laws and the Constitution.

Why should they do something that more or less gives credibility to the belief that regular Muslims are equated with the terrorists? How can they seek to gain acceptance if they tacitly give that comparison legitimacy? Also, iirc the group tried to buy an old YMCA and wasn't successful. I believe it was much further away, but I'd be willing to bet anywhere they try to put it on the island would fall into "too close to Ground Zero".

yeah- there was a spot on 23rd street that fell through, IIRC from that NYTimes article I posted, almost a decade ago.having had to deal with NYC real estate over the last month, and watching my kid's school desperately trying to find a permanent home for the last 3 years, I can guarantee you that these people found a spot where the price was right and the space was right and that was the bottom line. It's bad enough finding an apartment for a family of 3- watching my kid's school I've learned that finding the right space for an institution is a total and complete trainwreck.

Excellent point. It's not like there is space available all over NYC. They tried to buy the YMCA and failed. This is right near an existing mosque. And I think it's perfectly reasonable that most of them think, or thought before watching conservative news channels, that the symbolism of the place would be good to help repair the damage other Muslims did there. Should they now back out because of some people's hangups? Eh, probably not. Maybe they'll be forced to. But I don't see how reasonable people think it's good that the "Land of the Free" is so intolerant. What happened to the "Home of the Brave?"

 

[flufhed]

Come on guys...you're arguing with Peens and jon mx here....it's a worthless endeavor....pack it up and move on...IMO

Careful, or Mongol will whip out the dreaded smilie.

 

[timschochet]

Ted Olson, who lost his wife on 9/11. chimes in:

Ted Olson, former George W. Bush solicitor general, attorney behind the case against California's gay marriage ban, and husband of a woman who died aboard the plane that crashed into the Pentagon on 9/11, said Wednesday that President Obama was right about his analysis of the "Ground Zero Mosque" as a constitutional right protected by the First Amendment.

Olson's wife, conservative commentator and lawyer Barbara Olson, perished on September 11 aboard American Airlines Flight 77, the plane that was hijacked and flown in the Pentagon.

Asked on MSNBC about his opinion on the plans to construct a 13-story Islamic community center two blocks away from Ground Zero, Olson gave a response that served as a rather high profile departure from what has become the conservative norm on the issue.

"Well it may not make me hap-- popular with some people, but I think, probably, the president was right about this," Olson told MSNBC's Andrea Mitchell. "I do believe that people of all religions have a right to build edifices, or structures, or places of religious worship or study where the community allows them to do it under zoning laws and that sort of thing, and that we don't want to turn an act of hate against us by extremists into an act of intolerance for people of religious faith. And I don't think it should be a political issue. It shouldn't be a Republican or Democratic issue, either. I believe Gov. Christie from New Jersey said it well, that this should not be in that political, partisan marketplace."

 

[MongoL3]

Ted Olson, who lost his wife on 9/11. chimes in:Ted Olson, former George W. Bush solicitor general, attorney behind the case against California's gay marriage ban, and husband of a woman who died aboard the plane that crashed into the Pentagon on 9/11, said Wednesday that President Obama was right about his analysis of the "Ground Zero Mosque" as a constitutional right protected by the First Amendment.Olson's wife, conservative commentator and lawyer Barbara Olson, perished on September 11 aboard American Airlines Flight 77, the plane that was hijacked and flown in the Pentagon.Asked on MSNBC about his opinion on the plans to construct a 13-story Islamic community center two blocks away from Ground Zero, Olson gave a response that served as a rather high profile departure from what has become the conservative norm on the issue."Well it may not make me hap-- popular with some people, but I think, probably, the president was right about this," Olson told MSNBC's Andrea Mitchell. "I do believe that people of all religions have a right to build edifices, or structures, or places of religious worship or study where the community allows them to do it under zoning laws and that sort of thing, and that we don't want to turn an act of hate against us by extremists into an act of intolerance for people of religious faith. And I don't think it should be a political issue. It shouldn't be a Republican or Democratic issue, either. I believe Gov. Christie from New Jersey said it well, that this should not be in that political, partisan marketplace."

Thats his opinion, good for him....

 

[Mario Kart]

Ted Olson, who lost his wife on 9/11. chimes in:Ted Olson, former George W. Bush solicitor general, attorney behind the case against California's gay marriage ban, and husband of a woman who died aboard the plane that crashed into the Pentagon on 9/11, said Wednesday that President Obama was right about his analysis of the "Ground Zero Mosque" as a constitutional right protected by the First Amendment.Olson's wife, conservative commentator and lawyer Barbara Olson, perished on September 11 aboard American Airlines Flight 77, the plane that was hijacked and flown in the Pentagon.Asked on MSNBC about his opinion on the plans to construct a 13-story Islamic community center two blocks away from Ground Zero, Olson gave a response that served as a rather high profile departure from what has become the conservative norm on the issue."Well it may not make me hap-- popular with some people, but I think, probably, the president was right about this," Olson told MSNBC's Andrea Mitchell. "I do believe that people of all religions have a right to build edifices, or structures, or places of religious worship or study where the community allows them to do it under zoning laws and that sort of thing, and that we don't want to turn an act of hate against us by extremists into an act of intolerance for people of religious faith. And I don't think it should be a political issue. It shouldn't be a Republican or Democratic issue, either. I believe Gov. Christie from New Jersey said it well, that this should not be in that political, partisan marketplace."

Thats his opinion, good for him....

 

[Ookie Pringle]

Ted Olson, who lost his wife on 9/11. chimes in:Ted Olson, former George W. Bush solicitor general, attorney behind the case against California's gay marriage ban, and husband of a woman who died aboard the plane that crashed into the Pentagon on 9/11, said Wednesday that President Obama was right about his analysis of the "Ground Zero Mosque" as a constitutional right protected by the First Amendment.Olson's wife, conservative commentator and lawyer Barbara Olson, perished on September 11 aboard American Airlines Flight 77, the plane that was hijacked and flown in the Pentagon.Asked on MSNBC about his opinion on the plans to construct a 13-story Islamic community center two blocks away from Ground Zero, Olson gave a response that served as a rather high profile departure from what has become the conservative norm on the issue."Well it may not make me hap-- popular with some people, but I think, probably, the president was right about this," Olson told MSNBC's Andrea Mitchell. "I do believe that people of all religions have a right to build edifices, or structures, or places of religious worship or study where the community allows them to do it under zoning laws and that sort of thing, and that we don't want to turn an act of hate against us by extremists into an act of intolerance for people of religious faith. And I don't think it should be a political issue. It shouldn't be a Republican or Democratic issue, either. I believe Gov. Christie from New Jersey said it well, that this should not be in that political, partisan marketplace."

Do you want to post opinions from other families that lost loved ones that day? How about the responders, fire fighters etc?

 

[freakinback]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/08/18...ro-church-dead/

 

[MongoL3]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/08/18...ro-church-dead/

Looks like the Greek Orthodox arent politically correct enough to warrant a church. Pathetic leadership on display in New York, how suprising...

 

[Go DC Yourself]

Ted Olson, who lost his wife on 9/11. chimes in:

Ted Olson, former George W. Bush solicitor general, attorney behind the case against California's gay marriage ban, and husband of a woman who died aboard the plane that crashed into the Pentagon on 9/11, said Wednesday that President Obama was right about his analysis of the "Ground Zero Mosque" as a constitutional right protected by the First Amendment.

Olson's wife, conservative commentator and lawyer Barbara Olson, perished on September 11 aboard American Airlines Flight 77, the plane that was hijacked and flown in the Pentagon.

Asked on MSNBC about his opinion on the plans to construct a 13-story Islamic community center two blocks away from Ground Zero, Olson gave a response that served as a rather high profile departure from what has become the conservative norm on the issue.

"Well it may not make me hap-- popular with some people, but I think, probably, the president was right about this," Olson told MSNBC's Andrea Mitchell. "I do believe that people of all religions have a right to build edifices, or structures, or places of religious worship or study where the community allows them to do it under zoning laws and that sort of thing, and that we don't want to turn an act of hate against us by extremists into an act of intolerance for people of religious faith. And I don't think it should be a political issue. It shouldn't be a Republican or Democratic issue, either. I believe Gov. Christie from New Jersey said it well, that this should not be in that political, partisan marketplace."

Do you want to post opinions from other families that lost loved ones that day? How about the responders, fire fighters etc?

A group of over 200 good enough for you, or should would put the US Constiitution up for vote by the families of the 9/11 victims?

9/11 Families Group Announces Support for Islamic Cultural Center in Lower Manhattan

May 20th, 2010

New York – Today, September 11th Families for Peaceful Tomorrows, a nationwide group founded by family members of those killed on 9/11 issued the following statement, which may be attributed to their spokesperson, Donna Marsh O’Connor:

September 11th Families for Peaceful Tomorrows strongly supports efforts to bring an Islamic Cultural Center to lower Manhattan, near the Ground Zero site. We believe that welcoming the Center, which is intended to promote interfaith tolerance and respect, is consistent with fundamental American values of freedom and justice for all.

We believe, too, that this building will serve as an emblem for the rest of the world that Americans stand against violence, intolerance and overt acts of racism and that we recognize that the evil acts of a few must never damn the innocent.

To arrange an interview with a member of September 11th Families for Peaceful Tomorrows, please contact David Lerner or Shonna Carter, Riptide Communications, 212-260-5000 (dlerner@riptideonline.com or shonnac@riptideonline.com ).

September 11th Families for Peaceful Tomorrows is an organization founded by family members of those killed on September 11, 2001. Currently comprised of over 200 families, the group advocates nonviolence and adherence to the rule of law in the pursuit of justice and accountability.

http://www.peacefultomorrows.org/article.php?id=977

 

[oneohh]

Serious question:

Have they always marketed this initiative with the "intended to promote interfaith tolerance and respect" part in the description?

 

[mad sweeney]

Serious question:

Have they always marketed this initiative with the "intended to promote interfaith tolerance and respect" part in the description?

But in answer, yes.

 

[oneohh]

Serious question:

Have they always marketed this initiative with the "intended to promote interfaith tolerance and respect" part in the description?

But in answer, yes.

What's so funny, Arch?

 

[mad sweeney]

Serious question:

Have they always marketed this initiative with the "intended to promote interfaith tolerance and respect" part in the description?

But in answer, yes.

What's so funny, Arch?

You and serious question, Alias.

 

[Jewell]

This tweet has been making its way around the web:

In fairness, we've been building 'ground zeros' near Iraqi mosques since March 2003

Hard to argue.

 

[Go DC Yourself]

Serious question:

Have they always marketed this initiative with the "intended to promote interfaith tolerance and respect" part in the description?

The imam's background:

....

when Bush adviser Karen Hughes was appointed Undersecretary of State for Public Diplomacy, the Bush Administration saw improving America's standing among Muslims abroad as a part of its national security strategy. And, as such, Hughes set up listening tours, attended meetings and worked with interfaith groups that -- shocking, by today's Republican standards -- included actual Muslims.

One of those people was Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf.

Contemporary press accounts indicate that Rauf and Hughes were part of the February 2006 U.S.-Islamic World Forum in Doha, Qatar. He was part of a delegation that met with her in March 2006 and held a joint press conference. A letter to then-Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice in November 2007 indicates that contacts with Hughes and Under Secretary for Political Affairs Nicholas Burns had continued apace.

And, of course, an interview with Foreign Policy in 2007 explored both the depths of his ongoing contact with the Administration and his so-called radical views.

I have had meetings with Karen Hughes. However, I would welcome the opportunity to have further, deeper, and more nuanced discussions with other members of the Bush administration on how they need to understand religion and how it intersects with political affairs. To not understand the role of Islam and faith as a motivator is to be incapacitated in shaping a foreign policy that achieves the objectives of the United States.

The perception in the Muslim world is that the West wants to impose a secularism upon it, which to them is equivalent to the erasure of religion in society. As an American, I know that is not the intent of the United States at all. But thats the perception. The perception in America is that when people say they want an Islamic state, they want something like the Taliban. And that is not true at all.

Rauf added that, during Ramadan, it was important to remember the love that Jews, Muslims and Christians agree that their gods preach, adding, "It also means do not do unto others what you do not want others to do unto you." Guess that's one thing Rauf's critics forgot.

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/...r_for_peace.phpBut of course, know he is known as "the warrior Imam."

 

[Statorama]

Just close all the mosques and let them build casinos there instead

Something similar worked before.

jk lol

 

[oneohh]

Serious question:

Have they always marketed this initiative with the "intended to promote interfaith tolerance and respect" part in the description?

The imam's background:

....

when Bush adviser Karen Hughes was appointed Undersecretary of State for Public Diplomacy, the Bush Administration saw improving America's standing among Muslims abroad as a part of its national security strategy. And, as such, Hughes set up listening tours, attended meetings and worked with interfaith groups that -- shocking, by today's Republican standards -- included actual Muslims.

One of those people was Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf.

Contemporary press accounts indicate that Rauf and Hughes were part of the February 2006 U.S.-Islamic World Forum in Doha, Qatar. He was part of a delegation that met with her in March 2006 and held a joint press conference. A letter to then-Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice in November 2007 indicates that contacts with Hughes and Under Secretary for Political Affairs Nicholas Burns had continued apace.

And, of course, an interview with Foreign Policy in 2007 explored both the depths of his ongoing contact with the Administration and his so-called radical views.

I have had meetings with Karen Hughes. However, I would welcome the opportunity to have further, deeper, and more nuanced discussions with other members of the Bush administration on how they need to understand religion and how it intersects with political affairs. To not understand the role of Islam and faith as a motivator is to be incapacitated in shaping a foreign policy that achieves the objectives of the United States.

The perception in the Muslim world is that the West wants to impose a secularism upon it, which to them is equivalent to the erasure of religion in society. As an American, I know that is not the intent of the United States at all. But thats the perception. The perception in America is that when people say they want an Islamic state, they want something like the Taliban. And that is not true at all.

Rauf added that, during Ramadan, it was important to remember the love that Jews, Muslims and Christians agree that their gods preach, adding, "It also means do not do unto others what you do not want others to do unto you." Guess that's one thing Rauf's critics forgot.

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/...r_for_peace.phpBut of course, know he is known as "the warrior Imam."

Thanks. Hindsight being 20/20, I would have done everything I could to market this nationally through some sort of Christian outlet. This being "intended to promote interfaith tolerance and respect". I can honestly say I heard the boat had sailed before I heard that description.

 

[Burton]

Who the heck cares what this Imam says about peace and tolerance? He won't renounce Hamas. As far as I'm concerned that makes him either a terrorist lover or a terrorist himself.

And I also don't care what some turncoat leftist like Ted Olson has become really thinks about this, or what a few misguided family members of victims might think. 9/11 was an attack, not just against them, but against all of us Americans. It was an attack by Islam, in the name of Islam, and I would be offended by an Islamic mosque at Ground Zero. It's a spit in the face of every American patriot.

 

[ScottyFargo]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/08/18...ro-church-dead/

Looks like the Greek Orthodox arent politically correct enough to warrant a church. Pathetic leadership on display in New York, how suprising...

"St. Nicholas Orthodox Church has always had and will continue to have the right to rebuild on its original location. The question was whether public money would be spent to build a much larger church at a separate location on the site and ensuring that construction wouldn't delay the World Trade Center further,

 

[oneohh]

Who the heck cares what this Imam says about peace and tolerance? He won't renounce Hamas. As far as I'm concerned that makes him either a terrorist lover or a terrorist himself.

And I also don't care what some turncoat leftist like Ted Olson has become really thinks about this, or what a few misguided family members of victims might think. 9/11 was an attack, not just against them, but against all of us Americans. It was an attack by Islam, in the name of Islam, and I would be offended by an Islamic mosque at Ground Zero. It's a spit spittle in the face of every American patriot.

Fixed.

 

[CBusAlex]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/08/18...ro-church-dead/

Looks like the Greek Orthodox arent politically correct enough to warrant a church. Pathetic leadership on display in New York, how suprising...

Good decision, imo. Would have been a slap in the face to the Trojans to have it built so close. The wounds are still raw.

 

[saintfool]

"Islam, like every religion, has to be responsible for its biggest #######s."

Oliver added that there is also "a difference between what you can do and what you should do. For instance, you can build a Catholic church next to a playground. Should you?"

http://vodpod.com/watch/4247844-the-daily-...-but-should-you

two of my most favorite Johns.

 

[jon_mx]

Damn, more right-wing zealot hate-mongers coming out of the closet....

Howard Dean Comes Out Against Proposed Mosque Near Ground Zero

Published August 18, 2010 | NewsCore

Former Vermont Governor Howard Dean, in a surprise move Wednesday, became the second high profile Democrat to come out against the building of a cultural center and mosque two blocks away from Ground Zero.

“This is something that we ought to be able to work out with people of good faith," Dean said in an interview with WABC radio.

"We have to understand that it is a real affront to people who’ve lost their lives, including Muslims.

"That site doesn’t belong to any particular religion … So I think a good reasonable compromise could be worked out without violating the principle that people ought to be able to worship as they see fit.”

 

[timschochet]

Damn, more right-wing zealot hate-mongers coming out of the closet....

Howard Dean Comes Out Against Proposed Mosque Near Ground Zero

Published August 18, 2010 | NewsCore

Former Vermont Governor Howard Dean, in a surprise move Wednesday, became the second high profile Democrat to come out against the building of a cultural center and mosque two blocks away from Ground Zero.

“This is something that we ought to be able to work out with people of good faith," Dean said in an interview with WABC radio.

"We have to understand that it is a real affront to people who’ve lost their lives, including Muslims.

"That site doesn’t belong to any particular religion … So I think a good reasonable compromise could be worked out without violating the principle that people ought to be able to worship as they see fit.”

This is really sad and pathetic. How can the man be so ignorant? That site doesn't belong to any particular religion for the upteenth time, the community center is going to be built TWO BLOCKS AWAY!!!And why is it an affront to anyone, unless you blame 9/11 on American Muslims? I just can't fathom this willingness to give in to what appears to me to be nothing more than the worst sort of bigotry.

 

[Steve Tasker]

Who the heck cares what this Imam says about peace and tolerance? He won't renounce Hamas. As far as I'm concerned that makes him either a terrorist lover or a terrorist himself. And I also don't care what some turncoat leftist like Ted Olson has become really thinks about this, or what a few misguided family members of victims might think. 9/11 was an attack, not just against them, but against all of us Americans. It was an attack by Islam, in the name of Islam, and I would be offended by an Islamic mosque at Ground Zero. It's a spit in the face of every American patriot.

lol

 

[jon_mx]

A reasonable proposal to end this controversy in a reasonable manner by two groups solely interested in peaceful coexistence.......Too bad it will never happen. To paraphrase Bill Clinton.....It is the location, stupid. Without this being a monument to the 'heroic' 9-11 terrorists, the money for this project will dry up quicker than insomnia setting in while reading the masterful writings of timschochet. I will bet large sums of money that it is either this location or nothing for most of the money behind this effort.

Paterson proposes finding compromise site for Islamic center

By the CNN Wire Staff

August 19, 2010 5:18 a.m. EDT

New York governor says he'd like to discuss plans for center with its developers

Gov. David Paterson says wounds from the 9/11 attacks haven't healed

Some New Yorkers reject idea of Islamic center two blocks from ground zero

Paterson: Alternate site would be "noble gesture to those who live in the area"

New York (CNN) -- New York Gov. David Paterson says he'd like to discuss plans for an Islamic community center and mosque near ground zero in Manhattan with its developers to see whether a compromise site can be found.

"If people put their heads together, maybe we could find a site that's away from the site now but still serves the ... area. That would be a noble gesture to those who live in the area who suffered after the attack on this country, and at the same time would probably in many ways change a lot of people's minds about Islam, which is really a peaceful religion practiced by peace-loving people," Paterson told CNN's "Larry King Live" on Wednesday.

Paterson had been scheduled to meet with the center's builders Monday, but the meeting was postponed because developer Sharif el-Gamal was traveling.

"We're hoping to get together, but only if they want to get together," Paterson said. "There's no attempt at pressure or coercion here. I'd just like to talk about what might be a magic moment in our history."

The Islamic center's leaders say they plan to build the $100 million, 13-story facility called Cordoba House two blocks from the site of the 9/11 attacks. El-Gamal describes the project as an "Islamic community center" that would include a 500-seat performing arts center, a lecture hall, a swimming pool, a gym, a culinary school, a restaurant and a prayer space for Muslims.

 

[quickhands]

Damn, more right-wing zealot hate-mongers coming out of the closet....

Howard Dean Comes Out Against Proposed Mosque Near Ground Zero

Published August 18, 2010 | NewsCore

Former Vermont Governor Howard Dean, in a surprise move Wednesday, became the second high profile Democrat to come out against the building of a cultural center and mosque two blocks away from Ground Zero.

“This is something that we ought to be able to work out with people of good faith," Dean said in an interview with WABC radio.

"We have to understand that it is a real affront to people who’ve lost their lives, including Muslims.

"That site doesn’t belong to any particular religion … So I think a good reasonable compromise could be worked out without violating the principle that people ought to be able to worship as they see fit.”

This is really sad and pathetic. How can the man be so ignorant? That site doesn't belong to any particular religion for the upteenth time, the community center is going to be built TWO BLOCKS AWAY!!!And why is it an affront to anyone, unless you blame 9/11 on American Muslims? I just can't fathom this willingness to give in to what appears to me to be nothing more than the worst sort of bigotry.

for someone who appears to color with a very nuanced brush. you must feel like you are missing something.

 

[mad sweeney]

Damn, more right-wing zealot hate-mongers coming out of the closet....

Howard Dean Comes Out Against Proposed Mosque Near Ground Zero

Published August 18, 2010 | NewsCore

Former Vermont Governor Howard Dean, in a surprise move Wednesday, became the second high profile Democrat to come out against the building of a cultural center and mosque two blocks away from Ground Zero.

“This is something that we ought to be able to work out with people of good faith," Dean said in an interview with WABC radio.

"We have to understand that it is a real affront to people who’ve lost their lives, including Muslims.

"That site doesn’t belong to any particular religion … So I think a good reasonable compromise could be worked out without violating the principle that people ought to be able to worship as they see fit.”

And there've been plenty of kook, hippie liberal, er, conservatives that have sided with the pro-American rights side.

 

[MongoL3]

Im loving the pressure Fox is putting on the mosque folks. Like a bulldog!!

Blouses....

 

[jon_mx]

Damn, more right-wing zealot hate-mongers coming out of the closet....

Howard Dean Comes Out Against Proposed Mosque Near Ground Zero

Published August 18, 2010 | NewsCore

Former Vermont Governor Howard Dean, in a surprise move Wednesday, became the second high profile Democrat to come out against the building of a cultural center and mosque two blocks away from Ground Zero.

“This is something that we ought to be able to work out with people of good faith," Dean said in an interview with WABC radio.

"We have to understand that it is a real affront to people who’ve lost their lives, including Muslims.

"That site doesn’t belong to any particular religion … So I think a good reasonable compromise could be worked out without violating the principle that people ought to be able to worship as they see fit.”

This is really sad and pathetic. How can the man be so ignorant? That site doesn't belong to any particular religion for the upteenth time, the community center is going to be built TWO BLOCKS AWAY!!!And why is it an affront to anyone, unless you blame 9/11 on American Muslims? I just can't fathom this willingness to give in to what appears to me to be nothing more than the worst sort of bigotry.

Why are some feelings and emotions about something sad and pathetic? That is how most people feel about this controversy. Believe it or not, even you as this site's resident elitist base many of your opinions on your emotions about a subject.

 

[drummer]

Damn, more right-wing zealot hate-mongers coming out of the closet....

Howard Dean Comes Out Against Proposed Mosque Near Ground Zero

Published August 18, 2010 | NewsCore

Former Vermont Governor Howard Dean, in a surprise move Wednesday, became the second high profile Democrat to come out against the building of a cultural center and mosque two blocks away from Ground Zero.

“This is something that we ought to be able to work out with people of good faith," Dean said in an interview with WABC radio.

"We have to understand that it is a real affront to people who’ve lost their lives, including Muslims.

"That site doesn’t belong to any particular religion … So I think a good reasonable compromise could be worked out without violating the principle that people ought to be able to worship as they see fit.”

This is really sad and pathetic. How can the man be so ignorant? That site doesn't belong to any particular religion for the upteenth time, the community center is going to be built TWO BLOCKS AWAY!!!And why is it an affront to anyone, unless you blame 9/11 on American Muslims? I just can't fathom this willingness to give in to what appears to me to be nothing more than the worst sort of bigotry.

Why are some feelings and emotions about something sad and pathetic? That is how most people feel about this controversy. Believe it or not, even you as this site's resident elitist base many of your opinions on your emotions about a subject.

 

[Go DC Yourself]

Damn, more right-wing zealot hate-mongers coming out of the closet....

Howard Dean Comes Out Against Proposed Mosque Near Ground Zero

Published August 18, 2010 | NewsCore

Former Vermont Governor Howard Dean, in a surprise move Wednesday, became the second high profile Democrat to come out against the building of a cultural center and mosque two blocks away from Ground Zero.

“This is something that we ought to be able to work out with people of good faith," Dean said in an interview with WABC radio.

"We have to understand that it is a real affront to people who’ve lost their lives, including Muslims.

"That site doesn’t belong to any particular religion … So I think a good reasonable compromise could be worked out without violating the principle that people ought to be able to worship as they see fit.”

This is really sad and pathetic. How can the man be so ignorant? That site doesn't belong to any particular religion for the upteenth time, the community center is going to be built TWO BLOCKS AWAY!!!And why is it an affront to anyone, unless you blame 9/11 on American Muslims? I just can't fathom this willingness to give in to what appears to me to be nothing more than the worst sort of bigotry.

Dean's cluelessness about the specifis of the project were quickly established when he tried to defend his position. Leave it to a Jewish guy who spent alot of time in NYC to get it right:

Franken said conservative opposition to the mosque is “one of the most disgraceful things that I’ve heard.”

“I don’t know how many of you have been to New York, but if a building is two blocks away from anything, you can’t see it. It’s a community center. They’re going to have a gym. They’re going to have point guards. Muslim point guards,” Franken said, to laughter and applause.

“They (Republicans) do this every two years. They try to find a wedge issue, and they try to work it.”

http://www.sj-r.com/breaking/x279156399/Fr...l-Dem-breakfast

 

[timschochet]

Damn, more right-wing zealot hate-mongers coming out of the closet....

Howard Dean Comes Out Against Proposed Mosque Near Ground Zero

Published August 18, 2010 | NewsCore

Former Vermont Governor Howard Dean, in a surprise move Wednesday, became the second high profile Democrat to come out against the building of a cultural center and mosque two blocks away from Ground Zero.

“This is something that we ought to be able to work out with people of good faith," Dean said in an interview with WABC radio.

"We have to understand that it is a real affront to people who’ve lost their lives, including Muslims.

"That site doesn’t belong to any particular religion … So I think a good reasonable compromise could be worked out without violating the principle that people ought to be able to worship as they see fit.”

This is really sad and pathetic. How can the man be so ignorant? That site doesn't belong to any particular religion for the upteenth time, the community center is going to be built TWO BLOCKS AWAY!!!And why is it an affront to anyone, unless you blame 9/11 on American Muslims? I just can't fathom this willingness to give in to what appears to me to be nothing more than the worst sort of bigotry.

Why are some feelings and emotions about something sad and pathetic? That is how most people feel about this controversy. Believe it or not, even you as this site's resident elitist base many of your opinions on your emotions about a subject.

It's sad and pathetic, not because of the emotions, but because it's based on falsehoods and misconceptions. Oh, and per your previous post, don't give up your day job just yet. You don't do humor very well, no offense.

 

[jon_mx]

This is really sad and pathetic. How can the man be so ignorant? That site doesn't belong to any particular religion for the upteenth time, the community center is going to be built TWO BLOCKS AWAY!!!

And why is it an affront to anyone, unless you blame 9/11 on American Muslims? I just can't fathom this willingness to give in to what appears to me to be nothing more than the worst sort of bigotry.

The problem is, this mosque/cultural center has ZERO to do with American Muslims. If it did, an alternative site would be a very reasonable thing that they would take the governor up on. This site selection is CENTRAL to the money behind this project. You can call it ignorance all you want, but I guarantee time will prove me correct as usual.

 

[Christo]

Damn, more right-wing zealot hate-mongers coming out of the closet....

Howard Dean Comes Out Against Proposed Mosque Near Ground Zero

Published August 18, 2010 | NewsCore

Former Vermont Governor Howard Dean, in a surprise move Wednesday, became the second high profile Democrat to come out against the building of a cultural center and mosque two blocks away from Ground Zero.

“This is something that we ought to be able to work out with people of good faith," Dean said in an interview with WABC radio.

"We have to understand that it is a real affront to people who’ve lost their lives, including Muslims.

"That site doesn’t belong to any particular religion … So I think a good reasonable compromise could be worked out without violating the principle that people ought to be able to worship as they see fit.”

This is really sad and pathetic. How can the man be so ignorant? That site doesn't belong to any particular religion for the upteenth time, the community center is going to be built TWO BLOCKS AWAY!!!And why is it an affront to anyone, unless you blame 9/11 on American Muslims? I just can't fathom this willingness to give in to what appears to me to be nothing more than the worst sort of bigotry.

I thought the distance argument had been debunked. What if it was ONE BLOCK AWAY?

 

[jon_mx]

It's sad and pathetic, not because of the emotions, but because it's based on falsehoods and misconceptions. Oh, and per your previous post, don't give up your day job just yet. You don't do humor very well, no offense.

I got three laughie head out of drummer...

 

[timschochet]

I do like being referred to as the "resident elitist" though. That makes me happy. Take that, Christo!

 

[drummer]

Damn, more right-wing zealot hate-mongers coming out of the closet....

Howard Dean Comes Out Against Proposed Mosque Near Ground Zero

Published August 18, 2010 | NewsCore

Former Vermont Governor Howard Dean, in a surprise move Wednesday, became the second high profile Democrat to come out against the building of a cultural center and mosque two blocks away from Ground Zero.

“This is something that we ought to be able to work out with people of good faith," Dean said in an interview with WABC radio.

"We have to understand that it is a real affront to people who’ve lost their lives, including Muslims.

"That site doesn’t belong to any particular religion … So I think a good reasonable compromise could be worked out without violating the principle that people ought to be able to worship as they see fit.”

This is really sad and pathetic. How can the man be so ignorant? That site doesn't belong to any particular religion for the upteenth time, the community center is going to be built TWO BLOCKS AWAY!!!And why is it an affront to anyone, unless you blame 9/11 on American Muslims? I just can't fathom this willingness to give in to what appears to me to be nothing more than the worst sort of bigotry.

Dean's cluelessness about the specifis of the project were quickly established when he tried to defend his position. Leave it to a Jewish guy who spent alot of time in NYC to get it right:

Franken said conservative opposition to the mosque is “one of the most disgraceful things that I’ve heard.”

“I don’t know how many of you have been to New York, but if a building is two blocks away from anything, you can’t see it. It’s a community center. They’re going to have a gym. They’re going to have point guards. Muslim point guards,” Franken said, to laughter and applause.

“They (Republicans) do this every two years. They try to find a wedge issue, and they try to work it.”

http://www.sj-r.com/breaking/x279156399/Fr...l-Dem-breakfast

HAKEEM IS GONNA TEACH THEM THE TERROR SHAKE

 

[timschochet]

It's sad and pathetic, not because of the emotions, but because it's based on falsehoods and misconceptions. Oh, and per your previous post, don't give up your day job just yet. You don't do humor very well, no offense.

I got three laughie head out of drummer...

That wasn't the post I was referring to. And anyhow, Drummer wasn't laughing WITH you...

 

[quickhands]

I do like being referred to as the "resident elitist" though. That makes me happy. Take that, Christo!

you know what happened to elitists in the french revolution? off with their heads!

 

[jon_mx]

Franken said conservative opposition to the mosque is “one of the most disgraceful things that I’ve heard.”“I don’t know how many of you have been to New York, but if a building is two blocks away from anything, you can’t see it. It’s a community center. They’re going to have a gym. They’re going to have point guards. Muslim point guards,” Franken said, to laughter and applause.“They (Republicans) do this every two years. They try to find a wedge issue, and they try to work it.”

Yeah, as opposed to the Dems who just drag out the race card every election.

 

[mad sweeney]

This is really sad and pathetic. How can the man be so ignorant? That site doesn't belong to any particular religion for the upteenth time, the community center is going to be built TWO BLOCKS AWAY!!!

And why is it an affront to anyone, unless you blame 9/11 on American Muslims? I just can't fathom this willingness to give in to what appears to me to be nothing more than the worst sort of bigotry.

The problem is, this mosque/cultural center has ZERO to do with American Muslims. If it did, an alternative site would be a very reasonable thing that they would take the governor up on. This site selection is CENTRAL to the money behind this project. You can call it ignorance all you want, but I guarantee time will prove me correct as usual.

How is this location CENTRAL to your paranoid delusions when it was their SECOND choice (which would also be an "alternative location")?! It was Plan B. How is Plan B central? And isn't it the same muslims that are making a bigger building from an already established mosque in the area? Are those not American Muslims? If it weren't for Burton, you'd be the most ridiculous poster. Of course, Burton may very well be you in an effort to make yourself look less crazy. I'll ask again. How much shenaniganery do you think will happen in a building that's going to be under every microscope possible?

 

[Statorama]

Politicians should stop cow-towing to muslims anyway. That cult only represents 0.8% of the American population. It's like soccer. Loved elsewhere, kinda "meh" here.

 

[drummer]

Franken said conservative opposition to the mosque is “one of the most disgraceful things that I’ve heard.”“I don’t know how many of you have been to New York, but if a building is two blocks away from anything, you can’t see it. It’s a community center. They’re going to have a gym. They’re going to have point guards. Muslim point guards,” Franken said, to laughter and applause.“They (Republicans) do this every two years. They try to find a wedge issue, and they try to work it.”

Yeah, as opposed to the Dems who just drag out the race card every election.

Race cards are exclusive to Democrats?

 

[jon_mx]

This is really sad and pathetic. How can the man be so ignorant? That site doesn't belong to any particular religion for the upteenth time, the community center is going to be built TWO BLOCKS AWAY!!!

And why is it an affront to anyone, unless you blame 9/11 on American Muslims? I just can't fathom this willingness to give in to what appears to me to be nothing more than the worst sort of bigotry.

The problem is, this mosque/cultural center has ZERO to do with American Muslims. If it did, an alternative site would be a very reasonable thing that they would take the governor up on. This site selection is CENTRAL to the money behind this project. You can call it ignorance all you want, but I guarantee time will prove me correct as usual.

How is this location CENTRAL to your paranoid delusions when it was their SECOND choice (which would also be an "alternative location")?! It was Plan B. How is Plan B central? And isn't it the same muslims that are making a bigger building from an already established mosque in the area? Are those not American Muslims? If it weren't for Burton, you'd be the most ridiculous poster. Of course, Burton may very well be you in an effort to make yourself look less crazy. I'll ask again. How much shenaniganery do you think will happen in a building that's going to be under every microscope possible?

Give me a link to Plan A and how much money was behind that?

 

[timschochet]

I do like being referred to as the "resident elitist" though. That makes me happy. Take that, Christo!

you know what happened to elitists in the french revolution? off with their heads!

No that was the nobility. The elitists continued to write snide articles and look down their noses at the common folk.

 

[drummer]

Politicians should stop cow-towing to muslims anyway. That cult only represents 0.8% of the American population. It's like soccer. Loved elsewhere, kinda "meh" here.

THEY'RE BUILDING A SOCCER PARK 2 BLOCKS AWAY!!

 

[jon_mx]

How is this location CENTRAL to your paranoid delusions when it was their SECOND choice (which would also be an "alternative location")?! It was Plan B. How is Plan B central? And isn't it the same muslims that are making a bigger building from an already established mosque in the area? Are those not American Muslims? If it weren't for Burton, you'd be the most ridiculous poster. Of course, Burton may very well be you in an effort to make yourself look less crazy. I'll ask again. How much shenaniganery do you think will happen in a building that's going to be under every microscope possible?

It id not the shenanigans that concerns me. This is a Muslim's taking a permanent piss on a sore spot for an everlasting monument for what they did.