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My girlfriend is close friends with her ex-boyfriend (1 Viewer)

Buckfast 1 said:
xulf said:
Gr00vus said:
The girlfriend is alphaing both your asses. And it's not even close.
:goodposting:
Did you guys miss the part where she told me that I could have sex with other girls and/or threesomes when I told her that I had concerns that I hadn't been single for long enough after my divorce? I've got so much hand I'm coming out of my glove.
I'm trying to be the voice of reason in this thread, but let me make this perfectly clear: when a woman tells you you're free to have sex with other women, you don't have the upper hand.
Eh, that's not exactly how it happened. I proposed possibly being non-exclusive for a while since I didn't have much of an opportunity to be single post-divorce, and she definitely did not want that to occur. I think she was just trying to come up with a solution to keep the possibility of adventurous random sex open while keeping me committed to her. Who knows if anything will ever actually happen with that, but I thought it was cool that she would put it on the table and shows the lengths she will go to satisfy my desires. If there is one thing I am certain of, it is that she wants to be with me for the long run. Her love and commitment to me has never been in doubt. I think that was confirmed when she agreed with all of my positions in our recent conversation about her ex. She is definitely not willing to lose me over her irrelevant ex.
I never mentioned "how it happened." I don't care how it happened. When she tells you you're free to have sex with other women, you don't have the upper hand.Nor, I should add, should any reasonable human being want to have "the upper hand" in a romantic relationship.
I agree with regard to "the upper hand" stuff. I shouldn't have let all these haters influence how I talk about my own relationship. I think our relationship is healthy because we treat each other as equals, we respect each other, and we care about each other's feelings. It is in no way a power struggle.
That's great and I'm really happy for the both of you.

So, when can I pick up the key? Laundry piles are like three feet deep in this bachelor pad. I'll probably be around all weekend doing this #### but don't mind me, alright?

 
Buckfast 1 said:
xulf said:
Gr00vus said:
The girlfriend is alphaing both your asses. And it's not even close.
:goodposting:
Did you guys miss the part where she told me that I could have sex with other girls and/or threesomes when I told her that I had concerns that I hadn't been single for long enough after my divorce? I've got so much hand I'm coming out of my glove.
I'm trying to be the voice of reason in this thread, but let me make this perfectly clear: when a woman tells you you're free to have sex with other women, you don't have the upper hand.
Eh, that's not exactly how it happened. I proposed possibly being non-exclusive for a while since I didn't have much of an opportunity to be single post-divorce, and she definitely did not want that to occur. I think she was just trying to come up with a solution to keep the possibility of adventurous random sex open while keeping me committed to her. Who knows if anything will ever actually happen with that, but I thought it was cool that she would put it on the table and shows the lengths she will go to satisfy my desires. If there is one thing I am certain of, it is that she wants to be with me for the long run. Her love and commitment to me has never been in doubt. I think that was confirmed when she agreed with all of my positions in our recent conversation about her ex. She is definitely not willing to lose me over her irrelevant ex.
I never mentioned "how it happened." I don't care how it happened. When she tells you you're free to have sex with other women, you don't have the upper hand.Nor, I should add, should any reasonable human being want to have "the upper hand" in a romantic relationship.
I agree with regard to "the upper hand" stuff. I shouldn't have let all these haters influence how I talk about my own relationship. I think our relationship is healthy because we treat each other as equals, we respect each other, and we care about each other's feelings. It is in no way a power struggle.
Yet here you are, engaged in a silent power struggle you are asking internet strangers to validate for you.

The vast majority of the idiocy that goes on in romantic relationships can be traced back to a single issue: fear of being made to look foolish. Do you really care if some dude cleans you girlfriend's toilet? Man, I'd be leaving a giant steaming pile of #### in that thing every time he's coming over. And I'd tell my girlfriend that I was coming over to do so the night before.

My only real concern about her is the way your girlfriend is involved in all this weirdness - including the weirdness with you. She's a little insane. Not just for her relationship with her ex (which is weird - if it's not "I bet she's banging him!" weird it's at least "her ex boyfriend cleans her toilet for her" weird. That's plenty.) but also for her relationship with you. "Sure, go bang whoever you want." That's not normal. Which is fine, who wants to be normal, but now you want normal parameters on your end.

That's probably the big picture discussion you need to have. "Hey, look, I know we started this relationship off with a weird 'open sex life' conversation, but it turns out I want a traditional relationship where no weird ex boyfriends are scrubbing my girlfriend's toilet. How do you feel about a picket fence and a 2-car garage instead of a sex dungeon filled with midgets?" Because eating your cake and having it, too just isn't going to happen.

If you want a weird relationship, have one. Who cares if it looks stupid to a bunch of people on the internet? But if you don't, don't go after the "I can have a threesome!" relationship because if you do, you're going to come home to dogboy scrubbing your wife's commode. And it's going to be weirder every time it happens.

Also, please stop using the word "haters."

 
Buckfast 1 said:
xulf said:
Gr00vus said:
The girlfriend is alphaing both your asses. And it's not even close.
:goodposting:
Did you guys miss the part where she told me that I could have sex with other girls and/or threesomes when I told her that I had concerns that I hadn't been single for long enough after my divorce? I've got so much hand I'm coming out of my glove.
I'm trying to be the voice of reason in this thread, but let me make this perfectly clear: when a woman tells you you're free to have sex with other women, you don't have the upper hand.
Eh, that's not exactly how it happened. I proposed possibly being non-exclusive for a while since I didn't have much of an opportunity to be single post-divorce, and she definitely did not want that to occur. I think she was just trying to come up with a solution to keep the possibility of adventurous random sex open while keeping me committed to her. Who knows if anything will ever actually happen with that, but I thought it was cool that she would put it on the table and shows the lengths she will go to satisfy my desires. If there is one thing I am certain of, it is that she wants to be with me for the long run. Her love and commitment to me has never been in doubt. I think that was confirmed when she agreed with all of my positions in our recent conversation about her ex. She is definitely not willing to lose me over her irrelevant ex.
I never mentioned "how it happened." I don't care how it happened. When she tells you you're free to have sex with other women, you don't have the upper hand.Nor, I should add, should any reasonable human being want to have "the upper hand" in a romantic relationship.
I agree with regard to "the upper hand" stuff. I shouldn't have let all these haters influence how I talk about my own relationship. I think our relationship is healthy because we treat each other as equals, we respect each other, and we care about each other's feelings. It is in no way a power struggle.
Yet here you are, engaged in a silent power struggle you are asking internet strangers to validate for you.

The vast majority of the idiocy that goes on in romantic relationships can be traced back to a single issue: fear of being made to look foolish. Do you really care if some dude cleans you girlfriend's toilet? Man, I'd be leaving a giant steaming pile of #### in that thing every time he's coming over. And I'd tell my girlfriend that I was coming over to do so the night before.

My only real concern about her is the way your girlfriend is involved in all this weirdness - including the weirdness with you. She's a little insane. Not just for her relationship with her ex (which is weird - if it's not "I bet she's banging him!" weird it's at least "her ex boyfriend cleans her toilet for her" weird. That's plenty.) but also for her relationship with you. "Sure, go bang whoever you want." That's not normal. Which is fine, who wants to be normal, but now you want normal parameters on your end.

That's probably the big picture discussion you need to have. "Hey, look, I know we started this relationship off with a weird 'open sex life' conversation, but it turns out I want a traditional relationship where no weird ex boyfriends are scrubbing my girlfriend's toilet. How do you feel about a picket fence and a 2-car garage instead of a sex dungeon filled with midgets?" Because eating your cake and having it, too just isn't going to happen.

If you want a weird relationship, have one. Who cares if it looks stupid to a bunch of people on the internet? But if you don't, don't go after the "I can have a threesome!" relationship because if you do, you're going to come home to dogboy scrubbing your wife's commode. And it's going to be weirder every time it happens.

Also, please stop using the word "haters."
Fair enough. I don't think that either of us feel particularly bound by traditional societal norms, but we are currently figuring out what works for both of us in this relationship. I don't think we have to choose between having either a "normal" or a "weird" relationship. Despite the ex-boyfriend and ex-wife issues that we have already faced, I think we have an incredibly strong relationship that I am really optimistic about going forward. I don't know anyone that seems to enjoy spending time with their partner as much as we do.

 
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I think all you doubters are really underestimating me. You guys really think that I should be worried about a 40-year old REI employee whose best attribute is his "niceness," who got broken up with by my girlfriend because of their lackluster sex life, and whose highlight of his life is a yappy little mutt from the shelter? GTFO.
Devil's advocate here: you realize you're getting this information from her and even the most reasonable girls may tend to bend the truths about a past lover, no?
Meh. She told me this stuff back when we were just good friends before we even started dating. I don't think she had any incentive to lie to me back then.
Eh, I don't think I have ever had a girl ever, under any circumstance girlfriend or not, tell me that a past guy was amazing in bed. Actually, I take that back, that psycho but hot chick from near Tannerville did. But she was certifiable. Nonetheless, no semi-rational girl is going to tell you anything positive about past sexual partners regardless of your relationship.

 
Fair enough. I don't think that either of us feel particularly bound by traditional societal norms, but we are currently figuring out what works for both of us in this relationship. I don't think we have to choose between having either a "normal" or a "weird" relationship. Despite the ex-boyfriend and ex-wife issues that we have already faced, I think we have an incredibly strong relationship that I am really optimistic about going forward.
You don't think you have to choose between normal and abnormal? What other kind of relationship do you plan on having, if it's not normal or abnormal?

And you've really already made your choice. "Honey, I don't feel comfortable with your ex cleaning your toilet, even thought I trust you" is a statement that you don't like the abnormal part of that. It's okay. You don't have to feel weird about wanting what society has been drilling into your head to want since you were born. I like Kraft mac and cheese for no explicable reason, I just do.

Don't go abnormal just to say you're a nonconformist. That's all I'm saying.

And the "haters" thing. That's really important.

 
I think all you doubters are really underestimating me. You guys really think that I should be worried about a 40-year old REI employee whose best attribute is his "niceness," who got broken up with by my girlfriend because of their lackluster sex life, and whose highlight of his life is a yappy little mutt from the shelter? GTFO.
Devil's advocate here: you realize you're getting this information from her and even the most reasonable girls may tend to bend the truths about a past lover, no?
Meh. She told me this stuff back when we were just good friends before we even started dating. I don't think she had any incentive to lie to me back then.
Eh, I don't think I have ever had a girl ever, under any circumstance girlfriend or not, tell me that a past guy was amazing in bed. Actually, I take that back, that psycho but hot chick from near Tannerville did. But she was certifiable. Nonetheless, no semi-rational girl is going to tell you anything positive about past sexual partners regardless of your relationship.
If she does, she's already decided she's not going to bang you.

 
I think all you doubters are really underestimating me. You guys really think that I should be worried about a 40-year old REI employee whose best attribute is his "niceness," who got broken up with by my girlfriend because of their lackluster sex life, and whose highlight of his life is a yappy little mutt from the shelter? GTFO.
Devil's advocate here: you realize you're getting this information from her and even the most reasonable girls may tend to bend the truths about a past lover, no?
Meh. She told me this stuff back when we were just good friends before we even started dating. I don't think she had any incentive to lie to me back then.
Eh, I don't think I have ever had a girl ever, under any circumstance girlfriend or not, tell me that a past guy was amazing in bed. Actually, I take that back, that psycho but hot chick from near Tannerville did. But she was certifiable. Nonetheless, no semi-rational girl is going to tell you anything positive about past sexual partners regardless of your relationship.
If she does, she's already decided she's not going to bang you.
Could you go back on tell younger Woz that? Would have clued him in on some missed opportunities.

 
I agree with some others that the dog sharing thing is pretty odd - it's a dog, not a person.

So, why don't you suggest that she change the locks, give the mutt to the ex, and then you guys get a new dog together. At that point there is no reason for her to be in contact with the ex - tell her it's best for him so he can move on with his life and find a new GF. Her continuing to be nice to him or whatever is holding him back. The new dog will symbolize her completely moving on from that old relationship.

 
I agree with some others that the dog sharing thing is pretty odd - it's a dog, not a person.

So, why don't you suggest that she change the locks, give the mutt to the ex, and then you guys get a new dog together. At that point there is no reason for her to be in contact with the ex - tell her it's best for him so he can move on with his life and find a new GF. Her continuing to be nice to him or whatever is holding him back. The new dog will symbolize her completely moving on from that old relationship.
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

Exactly what this situation needs. Another puppy out of wedlock.

 
I agree with some others that the dog sharing thing is pretty odd - it's a dog, not a person.

So, why don't you suggest that she change the locks, give the mutt to the ex, and then you guys get a new dog together. At that point there is no reason for her to be in contact with the ex - tell her it's best for him so he can move on with his life and find a new GF. Her continuing to be nice to him or whatever is holding him back. The new dog will symbolize her completely moving on from that old relationship.
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

Exactly what this situation needs. Another puppy out of wedlock.
Seriously. Give the girl a ring first.

 
I agree with some others that the dog sharing thing is pretty odd - it's a dog, not a person.

So, why don't you suggest that she change the locks, give the mutt to the ex, and then you guys get a new dog together. At that point there is no reason for her to be in contact with the ex - tell her it's best for him so he can move on with his life and find a new GF. Her continuing to be nice to him or whatever is holding him back. The new dog will symbolize her completely moving on from that old relationship.
I'm surprised that anyone thinks that giving away the dog is a feasible solution. She loves her dog and would never give her dog away. I feel like it would take a real sociopath to suggest that a loved one get rid of their pet for your sake.

 
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I agree with some others that the dog sharing thing is pretty odd - it's a dog, not a person.

So, why don't you suggest that she change the locks, give the mutt to the ex, and then you guys get a new dog together. At that point there is no reason for her to be in contact with the ex - tell her it's best for him so he can move on with his life and find a new GF. Her continuing to be nice to him or whatever is holding him back. The new dog will symbolize her completely moving on from that old relationship.
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

Exactly what this situation needs. Another puppy out of wedlock.
:lmao:

 
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This story sounds like the ex is the cuck and Buckfast is the bull, and this is some long term scheme they have going on. Buckfast next time you are banging at her place you should check the closet to see if the ex is in there with a camcorder in one hand and his meat stick in the other.

 
I agree with some others that the dog sharing thing is pretty odd - it's a dog, not a person.

So, why don't you suggest that she change the locks, give the mutt to the ex, and then you guys get a new dog together. At that point there is no reason for her to be in contact with the ex - tell her it's best for him so he can move on with his life and find a new GF. Her continuing to be nice to him or whatever is holding him back. The new dog will symbolize her completely moving on from that old relationship.
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

Exactly what this situation needs. Another puppy out of wedlock.
:lmao:
:lmao:

 
Buckfast 1 said:
xulf said:
Gr00vus said:
The girlfriend is alphaing both your asses. And it's not even close.
:goodposting:
Did you guys miss the part where she told me that I could have sex with other girls and/or threesomes when I told her that I had concerns that I hadn't been single for long enough after my divorce? I've got so much hand I'm coming out of my glove.
I'm trying to be the voice of reason in this thread, but let me make this perfectly clear: when a woman tells you you're free to have sex with other women, you don't have the upper hand.
Eh, that's not exactly how it happened. I proposed possibly being non-exclusive for a while since I didn't have much of an opportunity to be single post-divorce, and she definitely did not want that to occur. I think she was just trying to come up with a solution to keep the possibility of adventurous random sex open while keeping me committed to her. Who knows if anything will ever actually happen with that, but I thought it was cool that she would put it on the table and shows the lengths she will go to satisfy my desires. If there is one thing I am certain of, it is that she wants to be with me for the long run. Her love and commitment to me has never been in doubt. I think that was confirmed when she agreed with all of my positions in our recent conversation about her ex. She is definitely not willing to lose me over her irrelevant ex.
She offered you an open relationship because she was already having one. HTH

 
I agree with some others that the dog sharing thing is pretty odd - it's a dog, not a person.

So, why don't you suggest that she change the locks, give the mutt to the ex, and then you guys get a new dog together. At that point there is no reason for her to be in contact with the ex - tell her it's best for him so he can move on with his life and find a new GF. Her continuing to be nice to him or whatever is holding him back. The new dog will symbolize her completely moving on from that old relationship.
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

Exactly what this situation needs. Another puppy out of wedlock.
:lmao:
:lmao:
It's a brilliant idea short term and long term. Short term the ex is completely out of the picture and long term he can become the new ex if things don't work out with full visitation to the dog (and ex GF) :moneybag:

 
I agree with some others that the dog sharing thing is pretty odd - it's a dog, not a person.

So, why don't you suggest that she change the locks, give the mutt to the ex, and then you guys get a new dog together. At that point there is no reason for her to be in contact with the ex - tell her it's best for him so he can move on with his life and find a new GF. Her continuing to be nice to him or whatever is holding him back. The new dog will symbolize her completely moving on from that old relationship.
I'm surprised that anyone thinks that giving away the dog is a feasible solution. She loves her dog and would never give her dog away. I feel like it would take a real sociopath to suggest that a loved one get rid of their pet for your sake.
I understand you have only been dating for 6 months, but if you plan on this relationship getting serious than she needs to be able to pick you over a pet. If she can't that is a huge red flag.

 
I agree with some others that the dog sharing thing is pretty odd - it's a dog, not a person.

So, why don't you suggest that she change the locks, give the mutt to the ex, and then you guys get a new dog together. At that point there is no reason for her to be in contact with the ex - tell her it's best for him so he can move on with his life and find a new GF. Her continuing to be nice to him or whatever is holding him back. The new dog will symbolize her completely moving on from that old relationship.
I'm surprised that anyone thinks that giving away the dog is a feasible solution. She loves her dog and would never give her dog away. I feel like it would take a real sociopath to suggest that a loved one get rid of their pet for your sake.
I understand you have only been dating for 6 months, but if you plan on this relationship getting serious than she needs to be able to pick you over a pet. If she can't that is a huge red flag.
Is her mom Korean?

 
I agree with some others that the dog sharing thing is pretty odd - it's a dog, not a person.

So, why don't you suggest that she change the locks, give the mutt to the ex, and then you guys get a new dog together. At that point there is no reason for her to be in contact with the ex - tell her it's best for him so he can move on with his life and find a new GF. Her continuing to be nice to him or whatever is holding him back. The new dog will symbolize her completely moving on from that old relationship.
I'm surprised that anyone thinks that giving away the dog is a feasible solution. She loves her dog and would never give her dog away. I feel like it would take a real sociopath to suggest that a loved one get rid of their pet for your sake.
I understand you have only been dating for 6 months, but if you plan on this relationship getting serious than she needs to be able to pick you over a pet. If she can't that is a huge red flag.
This. It's a dog.

 
Normally, I'd agree that you shouldn't ask her to give up a pet. But in this instance, her ex of 6 years is obsessed with it, or is at least acting like he is. Somebody take the dog and the other one say goodbye and move on.

 
Buckfast 1 said:
xulf said:
Gr00vus said:
The girlfriend is alphaing both your asses. And it's not even close.
:goodposting:
Did you guys miss the part where she told me that I could have sex with other girls and/or threesomes when I told her that I had concerns that I hadn't been single for long enough after my divorce? I've got so much hand I'm coming out of my glove.
I'm trying to be the voice of reason in this thread, but let me make this perfectly clear: when a woman tells you you're free to have sex with other women, you don't have the upper hand.
Eh, that's not exactly how it happened. I proposed possibly being non-exclusive for a while since I didn't have much of an opportunity to be single post-divorce, and she definitely did not want that to occur. I think she was just trying to come up with a solution to keep the possibility of adventurous random sex open while keeping me committed to her. Who knows if anything will ever actually happen with that, but I thought it was cool that she would put it on the table and shows the lengths she will go to satisfy my desires. If there is one thing I am certain of, it is that she wants to be with me for the long run. Her love and commitment to me has never been in doubt. I think that was confirmed when she agreed with all of my positions in our recent conversation about her ex. She is definitely not willing to lose me over her irrelevant ex.
She offered you an open relationship because she was already having one. HTH
Men can be so stupid. :wall:

 
Fair enough. I don't think that either of us feel particularly bound by traditional societal norms, but we are currently figuring out what works for both of us in this relationship. I don't think we have to choose between having either a "normal" or a "weird" relationship. Despite the ex-boyfriend and ex-wife issues that we have already faced, I think we have an incredibly strong relationship that I am really optimistic about going forward. I don't know anyone that seems to enjoy spending time with their partner as much as we do.
As long as you're cool with her having sex with other people (ex's, whoever else she gets the hots for) it can work out.

May want to PM Arizona Ron.

 
fwiw, just got in from a night out w some friends... I discussed this scenario (my life is officially a disaster now)

every girl at the table said shes got a mouthful of her ex. hth

 
Can this guy use his REI discount to help me get a new kayak and wetsuit? Let him know that if he is willing to do so I will stop intimating that he is a poofter.
Not only can he get you a discount, but if you give him a key, he'll wash that wetsuit for you.
Sounds like a pretty sweet deal as long as we don't have to buy some poofter mutt together.

 
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Eventually, the OP had to just step out of this. The light bulb had to come on. He had to realize how foolish he has been for the last few months. He got played.

 
This thread is still going on?
There was some good relationship advice in the first five pages or so, but the last ten pages consist almost entirely of assertions that my girlfriend is cheating on me, various cuckolding scenarios often involving beastiality, and beta-related insults.

 
trying to hit both opposite end of the spectrum, so that you land in the middle.

the middle dictates that you need a new woman in your life.

 
This thread is still going on?
There was some good relationship advice in the first five pages or so, but the last ten pages consist almost entirely of assertions that my girlfriend is cheating on me, various cuckolding scenarios often involving beastiality, and beta-related insults.
Well, it's somewhat reasonable to point out that your girlfriend's behavior has forced you to take a stand that you didn't want to have to take.

Most guys on here have wives annoyed that they have female friends, it's not usually the opposite. I'm not saying it's good or bad, but you were someone who isn't overly clingy or needy and even in that environment, her life decisions triggered red flags for you.

And, (this part from personal experience), when a woman has relationships with other people that you have to convince yourself are acceptable, they aren't. You're getting strong reactions here because a lot of us have been played by women at some point in life and look back and know the evidence was there but were too p-whipped to see it. I know that's my reaction to your thread. You're probably right, but damn, if you're wrong....

Anyways, I wouldn't want to date someone that attached to their ex, but to each their own. But you should understand those of us who think this smells bad aren't just doing so because we want to insult you.

 

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