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My Son Thinks He's The Next Eminem (1 Viewer)

Road Dogg said:
challenge him to a rap battlerhyme his #### into submissionpost the results
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I might have to do this!On an unrelated but related note about growing up and thinking you know more than your dad, etc. I think it was two summers ago when we were at my brother's party and Brandon thought he could take me in one on one basketball. I was about 40 at the time and hadn't shot hoops or formally worked out in over 10 years. He was a sophomore. Beat him down 10-0 in a dominant performance based on guile alone. Still mention it now and again when necessary. He had a friend or two and his girlfriend there also to witness the carnage. All talk and no action to back it up. We'll see if that pattern changes over the next number of months.
 
Road Dogg said:
we need video to properly judge thisturn the camera on him, have him freestyle
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I'm going to press him on this. He claims to be best at freestyle.I've told him before, if you can't rap in front of me how are you going to do it in front of a crowd of people you don't know? Can't remember what he said. I just remember him never doing it.I'm not going to take no for an answer. He needs to face the fear as was said nicely by I think Dexter Manley iirc.
 
Possum said:
johnnyrock, from what you're saying it sounds to me like your son doesn't really know what he wants to do with himself. He sounds like a typical 18 year old small town kid that's tired of school and just wants to party and thinks "I could be a rapper and get rich and smoke blunts all day." I was a lot like him back in the day. I don't know that the fact he's writing down some lyrics is necessarily an indicator that he's trying to get serious about it, either. My friends and I used to write gangster rap songs all the time back in high school, but it was just something to do to make each other laugh, pretending to be badasses and talking about drive-bys and hoes and other stuff we thought was funny at the time. :lmao: If he was actually serious about this stuff I'd think he'd already have bugged you for a decent home audio computer setup and be working on putting some beats together, buying some recording equipment, mics, maybe even getting a group of like-minded friends together to work on it. That stuff is easy to do these days, and imo a kid who was really wanting to get into it would already know that. Sounds more like this is just some kind of vague concept in his head but he's not all that interested in putting in actual work on it.you sound like a good dad, and the Youtube idea is definitely a good idea - get it up there and the responses and feedback can determine where you go from there. But I definitely wouldn't go out spending any money or anything like that on this until he proves he's actually wanting to do something serious to try to make it happen.
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I'll ask him seriously again what he wants to do.No way I spend anything on this but yes I did buy the camcorder for his birthday.He is working with a few guys on this. When he was 16 he met a guy who used to go to his school who had moved out east and presumably had joined a gang. Lots of talk and said he did some time. Moved back to MN and now turned over a new leaf and claims to be a Christian Rapper. Does gigs at some church or whatever for free will donations.So the guy has some recording equipment and he's the one that helped him put the song together along with another friend of his we know who's cool.
 
What makes a rapper good anyway?

I don't doubt that it takes a lot of talent, but most of the time I have no idea if what I'm hearing is good rap or not. I know VERY little about music but I can usually tell when someone is a good singer, I can't always say why they're good but I at least know that they are. But when it comes to rap I'm absolutely clueless.

 
NewlyRetired said:
DrJ said:
No matter how many times your parents told you something, you always knew more than they did, and the only way you were going to learn otherwise was to fail and improve on that. Just let him fail.
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Complete and utter BS.While many kids disagree with their parents, there are plenty of kids who follow their parents advice and do well in life even if they did not agree with them. Believe it or not, many times parents really do know whats best for their kids.Is it a 100%, of course not. But no one is ever going to convince me that just letting a kid "fail" is going to do better on average than a parent who does their best to give their kids a good future.Why bother being a parent if your entire philosophy is "just let him fail"?
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You give them the advice you can, let them ignore it and make their own decisions like 18 year olds tend to do, then be there to support them when their dumb decision doesn't work out the way they planned. I don't think you're giving your kid a good future if you don't allow them to make some mistakes and learn from their failures.
 
johnnyrock62000 said:
eoMMan said:
How's his relationship with his mom? Can he rap about her in a negative manner?
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Good relationship with Mom. The lyrics I found and referred to before were VERY derogatory toward women. Totally out of character for him. He was trying to be someone he's not and listeners won't take that seriously imo. My wife would be dissappointed if he chose lyrics ripping her but she wouldn't take it personally and would probably laugh it off. She would just be embarrassed for him like we are when his boxers are 8 inches above his pants which are still low riding on occasion even though he doesn't wear them like that much around us. Leaves his tshirt untucked to cover it up so we don't have to look at it.He wears khaki's around his hips to his job. Has to. Write about that.
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I don't think you get how this works. That crap isn't going to interest anyone or sell. Most rappers don't have experience in killing people either, but they write songs about it. No one is buying a record about him being a white kid in Minnesota.
 
johnnyrock62000 said:
DrJ said:
Colin Dowling said:
The kid who works for me would like to be a rapper too. He's actually not bad in a "I'm messing around with my buddies" kind of way. It's a phase - I used to want to be a rock star too til I started working in the business and realized talent has nothing to do with success. There are so many hacks selling millions of records while truly amazing artists starve to death that it is sickening. My suggestion would be to encourage him and to try and help him get "in to it" more then just talking. Help him find a mic and some recording gear - the barrier to entry is so low in terms of cost that it makes me sick. I spent thousands of dollars on studio stuff that now can be done for the cost of an iPad, a keyboard, and a mic. See if he can get a job in a studio somewhere. See if there is a nearby college that offers recording and production classes. There is nothing wrong with his dream and while you might want him to go to college, the last thing you want is for him to go to school and make C's because he's busy trying to be a rapper.
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Or waste tens of thousands of dollars because he pulls F's and drops out. The money my parents spent on my education was money literally flushed down a toilet. :(
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If he goes to college it will be loans and work for him. He can invest in his own future. If he was gung ho in school I would've helped out.
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Well, you don't have much say in the matter then now do you. :confused:
 
the moops said:
DrJ said:
No one is buying a record about him being a white kid in Minnesota.
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That's why he is moving to Detroit. :confused: Edit - Although

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See, he needs to go out and experience some hardship since that's what about every rap song is based off of. That or weed smoking. Kid knows what he needs. "Rap about what you know" - no wonder he's not taking this advice seriously.
 
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johnnyrock62000 said:
Brandon will be graduating High School in the spring. We've tried to be supportive of his dream but it's hard.

For his 18th birthday we bought him a nice digital camcorder because I've been asking him for a long time to record something, anything, so he can put himself out there. He finally recorded something this weekend. I'll try to get it posted, hopefully in the next week or two as I know he wants to edit it still and then place the track back over the video since the sound on the camcorder wasn't balanced.

Brandon's a bright kid and we know he needs to make his own decisions and mistakes, but judging how he answers our questions he hasn't thought much of it through in a realistic way. Less than a year ago he said when he turned 18 he was going to move to Detroit. Okay. This is a kid who lives in a small town in MN that is probably 99% white and he'd never rapped before except in the hallway at school a few times. I told him I'll drop you off in Minneapolis on Lake Street then come back and pick you up in an hour or two. We'll see how that works out.

Another point for illustration is that his friend who had heard him rap knows some rap group in the Twin Cities and my son was all prepared to have a meeting set up with these guys and thinking they were going to sign him. He doesn't even have a demo. It was comical. I told him to record something. Don't say you're going to do it; actually do it.

My brother is a CPA and knows some entertainment attorneys. We agreed to go with him to discuss this if he set up a meeting, because I'd rather help guide him than alienate him, but I also am a tough parent who talks straight. I told him why would they sign you when you have nothing recorded? Why do you need them when you can put something on youtube for free? It was beyond ridiculous. Then his friend advised him that he should record something and see what happens before putting the cart before the horse. It took prodding by me for him to see that that's what I've been telling him.

With all due respect he's wised up some since the examples above and he'll continue to mature. It's just frustrating. I just want him to make smart decisions based on a plan for success. I could go on but it's easier to take questions and feedback.
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Why does he hate being white? :unsure:
 
I would think that someone is looking for the next "big white thing" rapper. If he can rap a little I wouldn't be surprised if he is signed quickly. I don't know crap about the music industry, but I would think another white rapping would be $$$ for a record label and your kid. Take a swing at it, if you miss he is only 18 he has his whole life in front of him. It will be nice when you he comes to you one day and says, "thanks Dad for helping me live my dreams back when I was 18 and thought I knew everything." GL

 
didn't think this thread would be this long and i just read the first page... did he ever get it up on youtube?

 
Neovivo said:
I would think that someone is looking for the next "big white thing" rapper. If he can rap a little I wouldn't be surprised if he is signed quickly. I don't know crap about the music industry, but I would think another white rapping would be $$$ for a record label and your kid. Take a swing at it, if you miss he is only 18 he has his whole life in front of him. It will be nice when you he comes to you one day and says, "thanks Dad for helping me live my dreams back when I was 18 and thought I knew everything." GL
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Plenty of "next big white rappers" out there. A lot of the younger guys out there are actually white now and come mainly from privileged suburban backgrounds. You don't need to be from the hood anymore. Not sure why this kid wants to go to Detroit to learn to rap because most of the young white rap is coming from college educated kids these days ie Sammy Adams went to Trinity, Hoodie Allen went to UPenn. Here are a variety of the young white rappers, all who have had some sort of early success and if managed correctly have a chance to get more extensive radio play.Sam Adams:

 
jamil said:
didn't think this thread would be this long and i just read the first page... did he ever get it up on youtube?
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He's planning on editing it this weekend. We'll see.I talked to him last night in a good conversation while watching hoops. He said he's considering whether to go to a local community college for generals. I said I think college, job and music at the same time while he's getting started is best. He thinks if he does them both he won't be able to be really good at either one. He doesn't think he's interested in music production because he wants to be the artist. But I pointed out that there's only a certain number of artists but there are a lot of people behind the scenes who help produce, tv, etc. We discussed the concept of a timeline where we'll need to determine if it's working or whether it's time to work on a marketable skill. He agreed although we didn't discuss a specific amount of time. I mentioned that to go all in at this early stage is different than if he'd been making music since 13, already developed a strong local following and was ready for the next step. Basically told him that if he is going to make this decision as a man he needs to step it up and be dedicated to it. Work hard. He said he's doing that.I asked how, have you been writing? He said he has a lot written, some full songs and some pieces and snippets. I asked if it was 20? He said yeah, not exactly sure but maybe more than twenty different pieces of writing. I haven't looked at the notebook but there's at least some initiative there.He didn't flinch when I mentioned us going to an open mic night. When I mentioned the venue, he knew of it. He said the next one is sponsored by something like the Hmong Religious Center or something. He laughed and thought we might not want to go to that one. So we'll look into it, parameters and such and make it happen.I will say that he does have a fairly steely singlemindedness about this whole thing. All the entrepreneurs I know have that. So we'll see.
 
johnnyrock62000 said:
jamil said:
didn't think this thread would be this long and i just read the first page... did he ever get it up on youtube?
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He's planning on editing it this weekend. We'll see.I talked to him last night in a good conversation while watching hoops. He said he's considering whether to go to a local community college for generals. I said I think college, job and music at the same time while he's getting started is best. He thinks if he does them both he won't be able to be really good at either one. He doesn't think he's interested in music production because he wants to be the artist. But I pointed out that there's only a certain number of artists but there are a lot of people behind the scenes who help produce, tv, etc.

We discussed the concept of a timeline where we'll need to determine if it's working or whether it's time to work on a marketable skill. He agreed although we didn't discuss a specific amount of time.

I mentioned that to go all in at this early stage is different than if he'd been making music since 13, already developed a strong local following and was ready for the next step. Basically told him that if he is going to make this decision as a man he needs to step it up and be dedicated to it. Work hard. He said he's doing that.

I asked how, have you been writing? He said he has a lot written, some full songs and some pieces and snippets. I asked if it was 20? He said yeah, not exactly sure but maybe more than twenty different pieces of writing. I haven't looked at the notebook but there's at least some initiative there.

He didn't flinch when I mentioned us going to an open mic night. When I mentioned the venue, he knew of it. He said the next one is sponsored by something like the Hmong Religious Center or something. He laughed and thought we might not want to go to that one. So we'll look into it, parameters and such and make it happen.

I will say that he does have a fairly steely singlemindedness about this whole thing. All the entrepreneurs I know have that. So we'll see.
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:mellow: I'm still firmly in the camp that thinks you're handling this really well.

 
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=yZ2G1a_pOds

Only audio. He needs to turn the beat volume down but if you turn it up or listen on headphones you can hear it better.

I gave him a hard time because he apparently chose a name that someone else is using. The other videos for yu ng wy te under "suggestions" are a different guy. He doesn't see a problem with that while I see it as a mistake. Son claims he's been using the name for 2 years but whatever. I think he needs to change it.

BTW I prefer if his rapper name doesn't cause this thread to show up in searches so please leave the name out of any posts if you will. TIA

 
'johnnyrock62000 said:
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=yZ2G1a_pOds

Only audio. He needs to turn the beat volume down but if you turn it up or listen on headphones you can hear it better.

I gave him a hard time because he apparently chose a name that someone else is using. The other videos for yu ng wy te under "suggestions" are a different guy. He doesn't see a problem with that while I see it as a mistake. Son claims he's been using the name for 2 years but whatever. I think he needs to change it.

BTW I prefer if his rapper name doesn't cause this thread to show up in searches so please leave the name out of any posts if you will. TIA
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Quite frankly, that's not nearly as bad as you described. You seem to be nitpicking to me, this is something to build off of.
 
'johnnyrock62000 said:
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=yZ2G1a_pOds

Only audio. He needs to turn the beat volume down but if you turn it up or listen on headphones you can hear it better.

I gave him a hard time because he apparently chose a name that someone else is using. The other videos for yu ng wy te under "suggestions" are a different guy. He doesn't see a problem with that while I see it as a mistake. Son claims he's been using the name for 2 years but whatever. I think he needs to change it.

BTW I prefer if his rapper name doesn't cause this thread to show up in searches so please leave the name out of any posts if you will. TIA
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He had my interest until he started rapping. That was pretty awful. I liked the start of the beat and wish he had gone somewhere with it. Kudos to him for putting it out there. He at least has an actual hint of talent. :lmao:
 
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'johnnyrock62000 said:
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=yZ2G1a_pOds

Only audio. He needs to turn the beat volume down but if you turn it up or listen on headphones you can hear it better.

I gave him a hard time because he apparently chose a name that someone else is using. The other videos for yu ng wy te under "suggestions" are a different guy. He doesn't see a problem with that while I see it as a mistake. Son claims he's been using the name for 2 years but whatever. I think he needs to change it.

BTW I prefer if his rapper name doesn't cause this thread to show up in searches so please leave the name out of any posts if you will. TIA
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Good for him for getting something up there. I think it's terrible, but I'm not exactly the target audience. It'll be interesting to see/hear if he can get this in front of somebody with any pull or knowledge about it and get their opinion.

But lol- I think I'm going to start a new rock band called Purl Jam. I've been using that name for years now (inside my head) so it's cool to throw it out there. Does he have to be so... dumb... about this? Is Dum Wyte taken?

 
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It wasn't that bad. Not something I'd ever want to listen to again though.
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Agreed.To me, the lyrics aren't terrific, there's certain points where he's off in the whole thing, and I certainly wouldn't run out and buy the album. But at the same time, this was tossed together on a camcorder, has very little production/editing it seems, and this is pretty much his 1st attempt at this. Not nearly as bad as I was expecting based on Johnny's description of his abilities and him saying that he hasn't really been trying at this whole thing very long. I doubt this is going to land him a record deal, but like I said, it's something to build off of. I could see how he could win a battle at a HS in Minnesota.
 
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To the points above, yeah, it wasn't bad, like from a "this is my hobby" perspective, but I would not in a million years be hitching the kid's future on this train and suggesting he skip college to pursue this.

 
'Otis said:
To the points above, yeah, it wasn't bad, like from a "this is my hobby" perspective, but I would not in a million years be hitching the kid's future on this train and suggesting he skip college to pursue this.
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This. Honestly, I expected it to be worse. Not bad, but based on what I heard his % chance of making it big is .000001%. I didn't hear "it".
 
Bad, but for an amateur, he shows promise

The good news is that he can keep a flow going, the bad news is that his lyrics suck. Just tell him to keep working on it and write more. There's potential, but it has to get a lot better before anyone would go buy his album. Style and delivery are maybe half the battle, but the lyrics are huge so he needs to improve there.

 
Not much talent lyrically but theres also a lot of other crap out there lyrically. Sounded like Paul Wall to me and your son wasnt much worse. Who did the beat? That was actually pretty damn good IMO. Best part of the song was the beat IMO.

 
The only way a white rapper can work is if they are rapping about experiences they actuall have been through.

Since he is from a suburb in minnesota rapping about inner city life won't fly.

Does he smoke a lot of herb or do any drugs he can rap about? Does he have sex with lots of females and possibly get them to strip in clubs and give him a cut? Something along those lines he could sell if he's actually lived it. Even spending a night in the drunk tank or getting a possession citation would give him a little cred in the rap community.

The church rapper is actually hitting up a good market, maybe he could do something like that.

Bottom line he has to rap about what he knows, and people have to be interested in hearing about those experiences. Moving into a double wide in inner city detroit is actually a decent idea as it would allow him to have some hood type experiences to rap about.

Rap fans want to hear about drugs, hoes, guns, fights, etc. Your boy needs to start living that life if he wants to make it.

 
'moderated said:
Rap fans want to hear about drugs, hoes, guns, fights, etc.
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Riiiiight. Lupe Fiasco raps about skateboarding, politics and education. Mos Def and Talib Kweli released an album critiquing violence in hip hop.Eminem isn't a gangster rapper the way you describe either. His most recent and most successful albums are about following his dream, recovery from addiction and relationships - a pretty common theme in hip hop as it is in all music
 
'Truman said:
'moderated said:
Rap fans want to hear about drugs, hoes, guns, fights, etc.
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Riiiiight. Lupe Fiasco raps about skateboarding, politics and education. Mos Def and Talib Kweli released an album critiquing violence in hip hop.Eminem isn't a gangster rapper the way you describe either. His most recent and most successful albums are about following his dream, recovery from addiction and relationships - a pretty common theme in hip hop as it is in all music
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Agreed... Rap seems to actually be going away from the gangster scene. I mean you have Lil Wayne and stuff who still present an image somewhat like that but even his lyrics are more based on wordplay now with pop culturish references in.It seems most of the new successful rappers coming out these days are from more privileged backgrounds etc...Drake- before becoming a rapper he grew up as a successful teenage actor in Degrassi.J. Cole- Graduated magna cum laude from St. JohnsB.o.B- pastor's son from GeorgiaAlmost all of the new white rapper stuff comes from a bunch of suburban preppy kids and they are getting popular, Sammy Adams, Mac Miller, Asher Roth. Saying that rap fans want to hear about drugs/guns/hoes is just lazy since that style of rap has been steadily declining in popularity.
 
'moderated said:
Since he is from a suburb in minnesota rapping about inner city life won't fly.
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Yah, I mean these guys is real hood and stuffhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPxuMmnOdyI&feature=relatedhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoVx7vCSsFc&feature=relatedhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYx7YG0RsFYhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnAbszcy3bsAll have either had national radio play or have been tabbed to make it big this year.
 
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'johnnyrock62000 said:
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=yZ2G1a_pOds

Only audio. He needs to turn the beat volume down but if you turn it up or listen on headphones you can hear it better.

I gave him a hard time because he apparently chose a name that someone else is using. The other videos for yu ng wy te under "suggestions" are a different guy. He doesn't see a problem with that while I see it as a mistake. Son claims he's been using the name for 2 years but whatever. I think he needs to change it.

BTW I prefer if his rapper name doesn't cause this thread to show up in searches so please leave the name out of any posts if you will. TIA
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Quite frankly, that's not nearly as bad as you described. You seem to be nitpicking to me, this is something to build off of.
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This was actually a different song than he first played for me last week. That one was off on the timing more.I agree with whoever said that the beat was the best part. A friend of his did it with basically no experience so they're having fun.

Nobody has a thought on him stealing another guys' name? I see that as a big problem that is easily correctable now but less so later. He couldn't do a simple google search on the name? Wtf?

Son said that a hip hop group from the Twin Cities has agreed to work with him. :X This was told to me the next day after the first song was posted. Not sure what that means. My first inclination is yeah, they'll work with you if you pay them. I'm sure they'll work with anyone if they can make money off them. I told him not to sign anything. We've had very good, open communication on this lately so that's good. He's at a friends house writing and recording again tonight.

 
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