Like Priest Holmes and Ricky Williams?i believe Benson is being supremely overrated on a lot of these lists, he is the product of wr talent around him last year, and a cake season (so far) this year. being the feature back at texas for that long anyone with at least minimal skills could put up outstanding numbers, without being an outstanding back. i rate him from 6th-10th at best.
6th-10th at BEST? :rotflmao: Aggie homer much?i believe Benson is being supremely overrated on a lot of these lists, he is the product of wr talent around him last year, and a cake season (so far) this year. being the feature back at texas for that long anyone with at least minimal skills could put up outstanding numbers, without being an outstanding back. i rate him from 6th-10th at best.
Ohio State homer here.From everything I've heard, he is now living with some family in Texas and looks like a tub of goo. If he starts working out again, he may be ready for the combine. He will obviously not be playing for Ohio State again. There will be three big knocks on him:1. Headcase2. Durability - only really played 2/3 of one season of college football3. Rust - he has not played organized football in over two yearsI wish him the best, but the deck is stacked against him. He is damn exciting to watch though. Consider that OSU has not had a good RB immediately before or since Clarett. The O line is just not good.I've seen Clarett mentioned a few times in this category and I'm curious. Do you think he will be in playing shape come NFL next year? What is he doing right now? Didn't he show up at conferences last year to say he wasn't going to work out for the scouts and wasn't he out of shape? I heard that he wanted to play at Grambling. Any truth to that? I don't think OSU is taking him back right?
There was a reason he was three time Texas player of the year in high school.He looking stunning in his first year, had turf toe his second year, seemed disinterested in the first half of 03 and has looked stunning since.There is no link for this, but long time Houston Chronicle football columnist John McClain still has many contacts with the folks in Titans scouting. He stated about 6 weeks ago on Sports radio 610 in Houston that they though Benson was a better pro prospect than Ricky Williams.If he can keep his head on straight- and that is definitely an if- he is a very good pro prospect with both good strength and good speed. I actually think Benson is underrated on this board.i believe Benson is being supremely overrated on a lot of these lists, he is the product of wr talent around him last year, and a cake season (so far) this year. being the feature back at texas for that long anyone with at least minimal skills could put up outstanding numbers, without being an outstanding back. i rate him from 6th-10th at best.
You forgot Hodges Mitchell.Like Priest Holmes and Ricky Williams?i believe Benson is being supremely overrated on a lot of these lists, he is the product of wr talent around him last year, and a cake season (so far) this year. being the feature back at texas for that long anyone with at least minimal skills could put up outstanding numbers, without being an outstanding back. i rate him from 6th-10th at best.
Whatever...lol. Adrian Peterson could've been an NFL back right out of high school. I can't remember the last time I saw running back with this kid's talent and physical ability. There's a reason he was THE top recruit this year.Sorry, Adrian Peterson is not the best RB in college football by a longshot.Seems to me that more viewing of college games and the players should be viewed before making statements in such a manner and not just what you read.Also, for anyone still considering Maurice Clarett as a viable player in this top portion of the draft is clearly not understanding that this is a kid who had one good year, not great, and had trouble staying healthy and hasn't played in a long time. Skills disappear when you don't play and surely it will be noticable at the combines and I expect him to be a 6th or 7th rd reach for some team this upcoming year.
Though I am fan of Peterson's talent and I will say that he has a chance to be a great NFL back one day, now is not his time.Benson, Brown, Cadillac, and others are still clearly ahead of him at this stage until he proves he can last injury wise along with put up a body of work that shows he is worthy of the title of "Best RB" in college football.No player can come out of high school and straight to the pros, their body wouldn't handle the punishment and the knowledge factor it takes to succeed. There is a very good reason the NFL doesn't want young players until after 3 yrs from high school and I am smart enough to believe them in that fact.Whatever...lol. Adrian Peterson could've been an NFL back right out of high school. I can't remember the last time I saw running back with this kid's talent and physical ability. There's a reason he was THE top recruit this year.Sorry, Adrian Peterson is not the best RB in college football by a longshot.Seems to me that more viewing of college games and the players should be viewed before making statements in such a manner and not just what you read.Also, for anyone still considering Maurice Clarett as a viable player in this top portion of the draft is clearly not understanding that this is a kid who had one good year, not great, and had trouble staying healthy and hasn't played in a long time. Skills disappear when you don't play and surely it will be noticable at the combines and I expect him to be a 6th or 7th rd reach for some team this upcoming year.
Well stated. Why don't we see what he can do when actually facing real college talent before annointing him great NFL talent.OU's sched thus far has been a joke. Get a great test this week though and He could jump up the "boards" fast with a good performance.Adrian Petersen is a very good college RB already and has the talent to be a great one.BUT... he would get torn up in the NFL if he was starting right now; not to mention that he would be getting his QB killed on a regular basis. Let the young man mature and learn a little bit before throwing him to the dogs.And speaking of cupcake schedules so far (as someone mentioned about Benson), Petersen has yet to play a down of college football outside of Norman AND against a bunch of cupcakes.Like I said, I think he has the talent to be a great one; but he hasn't come close to PROVING that he is a great yet.
John McClain is the biggest blow hard columnist I've ever read/listened to. He really doesn't know what he is talking about. He has these "sources" that make these fantastic proclamations that never come to fruition.That being said, I really think Ced Benson is an outstanding college running back, better by far than most guys mentioned in this thread. However, I don't think he will be as good a professional running back as Ronnie Brown or Cadillac Williams or a the Barber kid from Minnesota.And for all those that are proclaming Adrian Peterson the next superstar, easy now. He's played 4 college games so far. Give me a break. I also heard that Marcus Vick is better than his brother.USC has three better running backs than Adrian Peterson right now, so all you OU homers can wait a few years more.There was a reason he was three time Texas player of the year in high school.He looking stunning in his first year, had turf toe his second year, seemed disinterested in the first half of 03 and has looked stunning since.There is no link for this, but long time Houston Chronicle football columnist John McClain still has many contacts with the folks in Titans scouting. He stated about 6 weeks ago on Sports radio 610 in Houston that they though Benson was a better pro prospect than Ricky Williams.If he can keep his head on straight- and that is definitely an if- he is a very good pro prospect with both good strength and good speed. I actually think Benson is underrated on this board.i believe Benson is being supremely overrated on a lot of these lists, he is the product of wr talent around him last year, and a cake season (so far) this year. being the feature back at texas for that long anyone with at least minimal skills could put up outstanding numbers, without being an outstanding back. i rate him from 6th-10th at best.
Ok, I'll give you Reggie Bush, even though that is quite debatable. But Lendale White and Herschel Dennis are both better than Peterson also? Come on man, don't call out OU homers when it's pretty obvious who is being a homer here.USC has three better running backs than Adrian Peterson right now, so all you OU homers can wait a few years more.
I think the 3 with the most potential to be eye popping great are Moats, Bush, and yes Peterson (one day).I'm not saying Adrian Peterson is ready for the NFL, all i'm saying is that due to having the ability to become truly great he would be the 1st RB taken in this years draft if he was allowed to enter.Teams don't let potential greatness slide by them, and although he hasn't proven himself yet, he has hope to become one of the great ones, something I don't feel any other RB's in this years class have.Certain players have the IT factor, and watching Adrian Peterson makes my jaw drop, that's all i'm saying.In no way do I think he is ready for the NFL, but when he is watch out.
:rotflmao: :rotflmao:USC has three better running backs than Adrian Peterson right now, so all you OU homers can wait a few years more.
I have a feeling your opinion is different from 99% of NFL scouts, but to each their own.USC has three better running backs than Adrian Peterson.
If Adrian Peterson was allowed to come out after this year he would be the 1st RB taken...easily.
I love Moats. I do a college FF league and was lucky to get him on my team so I watch him every chance I get.He looks so quick it amazes me. He's listed at 201 but looks smaller. Do you think he really weighs in at that? If so he should be climbing up draft boards each week.I think the 3 with the most potential to be eye popping great are Moats, Bush, and yes Peterson (one day).I'm not saying Adrian Peterson is ready for the NFL, all i'm saying is that due to having the ability to become truly great he would be the 1st RB taken in this years draft if he was allowed to enter.Teams don't let potential greatness slide by them, and although he hasn't proven himself yet, he has hope to become one of the great ones, something I don't feel any other RB's in this years class have.Certain players have the IT factor, and watching Adrian Peterson makes my jaw drop, that's all i'm saying.In no way do I think he is ready for the NFL, but when he is watch out.
See the av to know who he reminds me of!!! But no, I'll bet he is closer to 195 or so. He is only like 5'9" though, so the frame is compact and he is very strong from what I read and hear. He is lightning quick though and hardly ever gets hit hard. Runs with great vision and low to the ground to brush off harder blows. It is his explosivness that will seperate him at the next level though IMO. The explosivness is on par with what I think both Bush and Peterson have. An ability to see and hit the hole before Ds can even adjust. Bush and Peterson don't have that same vision yet, but will soon enough IMO.I love Moats. I do a college FF league and was lucky to get him on my team so I watch him every chance I get.He looks so quick it amazes me. He's listed at 201 but looks smaller. Do you think he really weighs in at that? If so he should be climbing up draft boards each week.
Moats has looked great, but he looks a lot shorter than 5'9 when I watch him. I'm sure his size will drop him down the NFL draft boards.See the av to know who he reminds me of!!! But no, I'll bet he is closer to 195 or so. He is only like 5'9" though, so the frame is compact and he is very strong from what I read and hear. He is lightning quick though and hardly ever gets hit hard. Runs with great vision and low to the ground to brush off harder blows. It is his explosivness that will seperate him at the next level though IMO. The explosivness is on par with what I think both Bush and Peterson have. An ability to see and hit the hole before Ds can even adjust. Bush and Peterson don't have that same vision yet, but will soon enough IMO.I love Moats. I do a college FF league and was lucky to get him on my team so I watch him every chance I get.He looks so quick it amazes me. He's listed at 201 but looks smaller. Do you think he really weighs in at that? If so he should be climbing up draft boards each week.
I think that just what he is listed at, so he may indeed be shorter. Yes, that may play a factor on where he is drated unfortunatly.Moats has looked great, but he looks a lot shorter than 5'9 when I watch him. I'm sure his size will drop him down the NFL draft boards.See the av to know who he reminds me of!!! But no, I'll bet he is closer to 195 or so. He is only like 5'9" though, so the frame is compact and he is very strong from what I read and hear. He is lightning quick though and hardly ever gets hit hard. Runs with great vision and low to the ground to brush off harder blows. It is his explosivness that will seperate him at the next level though IMO. The explosivness is on par with what I think both Bush and Peterson have. An ability to see and hit the hole before Ds can even adjust. Bush and Peterson don't have that same vision yet, but will soon enough IMO.I love Moats. I do a college FF league and was lucky to get him on my team so I watch him every chance I get.He looks so quick it amazes me. He's listed at 201 but looks smaller. Do you think he really weighs in at that? If so he should be climbing up draft boards each week.
I disagree. I've seen USC plenty. I have all of their running backs on my KFFL fantasy team and I still think Peterson is better than all of them.USC has three better running backs than Adrian Peterson right now, so all you OU homers can wait a few years more.
Peterson is NOT better than Bush right now. No way, no how. Lets let him prove his ability vs. real college competition before placing him in line with one of the best college football players in the country and a Hiesman front runner.Nobody is down playing his POTENTIAL here, cause it is obvious. This however is a big statement at this moment in time.I disagree. I've seen USC plenty. I have all of their running backs on my KFFL fantasy team and I still think Peterson is better than all of them.USC has three better running backs than Adrian Peterson right now, so all you OU homers can wait a few years more.
I disagree. I think he has better vision and is a more natural runner. He's already bigger than Reggie and I imagine that he'll continue to add weight throughout his college career. Bush is a better receiver and a more unique player, but I don't think he's a better running back than Peterson.Peterson is NOT better than Bush right now. No way, no how.
I guess I can see your point. Bush IMO is the best plan football player in the country. So versitile it is scary, Faulk like Peterson has more the traditional RB traits though. I still contend that he has to show this ability when OU is not just pushing the other team aroung up front though. His running insticts have not truely been tested yet at this level IMO.I disagree. I think he has better vision and is a more natural runner. He's already bigger than Reggie and I imagine that he'll continue to add weight throughout his college career. Bush is a better receiver and a more unique player, but I don't think he's a better running back than Peterson.Peterson is NOT better than Bush right now. No way, no how.
More like a 4.53, not 4.4. Big difference. He'll be a Greg Jones-type back in the NFL.I seriously can't believe that Kay Jay Harris isn't mentioned anywhere in this thread. He's been hampered by a hammy injury for a couple games but this kid is the real deal with an NFL-ready body at 6'2" 240 lbs with 4.4 speed. He's 25 years old because of his stint as a minor league baseball player. He's has the feature back dimensions to be a great NFL player.
It's hard to judge a guy when he's been hurt for the whole year.I seriously can't believe that Kay Jay Harris isn't mentioned anywhere in this thread. He's been hampered by a hammy injury for a couple games but this kid is the real deal with an NFL-ready body at 6'2" 240 lbs with 4.4 speed. He's 25 years old because of his stint as a minor league baseball player. He's has the feature back dimensions to be a great NFL player.
Most of the last few West Virginia RBs that have gone into the NFL have done absolutely nothing thus the stigma that is Kay Jay Harris's future. It is the system at West Virginia and not the talent.I seriously can't believe that Kay Jay Harris isn't mentioned anywhere in this thread. He's been hampered by a hammy injury for a couple games but this kid is the real deal with an NFL-ready body at 6'2" 240 lbs with 4.4 speed. He's 25 years old because of his stint as a minor league baseball player. He's has the feature back dimensions to be a great NFL player.
Mmmmm...no. I saw every game either one of these guys ever played in college. Ced may be the best back this year,and is running far better this season than his vaunted 2nd half of 2003, but none of these guys approaches Ricky's level of physical dominance in college. He was unbelievable. Now, if CB looks like a better pro prospect to the Titans, maybe it's a character issue they're looking at.1. Cedric Benson - hate to say it but he is very close to Ricky Williams in talent and skill se
Against whose badass defense did he convince you that he'd win the Heisman and be a top 3 pick? Was it...a) Bowling GreenAdrian Peterson is the best RB in college football right now. He's as good as advertised. It's scary to think where he'll be in two years if he stays healthy and matures physically like most 18 year olds do. He has the frame and the natural skills to be a top 3 pick in the NFL draft.
Well, I've put in bold italics the accurate parts of this paragraph. As I stated above CB is impressive this season. I questioned his decision to return for his senior season, as I didn't think he'd be able to raise his stock much after the great 2nd half he had last year. I see now that I was wrong. He quit baseball and re-dedicated himself to the off-season training program. The result is that he is the biggest, strongest, most explosive and fastest that he's ever been. To top that off, he's running with the punishing, physical attitude he had prior to the massive collision he had with big teammate Mike Williams in the Big 12 CG. He seeks contact, finishes every run moving forward, and always moves a pile. No, he's no RW, but he's the closest thing I've seen this year.Also, in the Wazzu game last year, he did pretty well when "genius" Greg Davis actually called his #. He is the running game's biggest enemy.4. Cedric Benson, Texas - Benson is having a monster year statistically, but he doesn't stand out from a physical standpoint. He doesn't have elite size or physical skills. Benson did nothing to impress me last year when I saw Texas play Washington State. To me he looks like a classic college star with limited pro potential, although I will certainly watch him play this year before cementing my opinion of him. I rank him this high because he figures to be an early pick and may in fact be quite a bit better than I currently believe him to be.
Dude. Benson's freshman year Texas had a decent OL. His next 2, they were terrible. This year, they seem to be pretty good. We'll see for sure this weekend. Yes, he had the advantage of Roy Williams, BJ Johnson and Sloan Thomas, but he also had the disadvantage of OC Greg Davis. This season, he's producing his best #s yet, avging over 180 ypg, usually in about 2.5 quarters of play. In a road rivalry game at Arkansas, he rolled up 188 and 2 tds. All that w/o the luxury of Roy, BJ, and Sloan. You ever hear of Limas Sweed? Or Nate Jones? Brian Carter? Eric Enard? Didn't think so. Those aren't names that are gonna strike fear in the hearts of db coaches. The d's Ced's been running on have been designed to stop one thing...the run, and he's been running right thru 'em.i believe Benson is being supremely overrated on a lot of these lists, he is the product of wr talent around him last year, and a cake season (so far) this year. being the feature back at texas for that long anyone with at least minimal skills could put up outstanding numbers, without being an outstanding back. i rate him from 6th-10th at best.
1. Carnell Williams, Auburn 5-11, 210
2. Cedric Benson, Texas 6-0, 225
3. Anthony Davis, Wisconsin 5-8, 205
4. Walter Reyes, Syracuse 5-10, 213
5. Ronnie Brown, Auburn 6-1, 234
6. Lionel Gates, Louisville 6-0, 225
7. Kay-Jay Harris, West Virginia 6-2, 245
8. Darren Sproles, Kansas State 5-7, 180
9. Brandon Jacobs, Southern Illinois 6-4, 260
10. Noah Herron, Northwestern 5-11, 230
Maybe, MD's laziness is well documented, but he was lazy before the hit, and Switzer still played him what, 15, 16 games? And he dominated...including against a very good Texas defense the previous year. After that hit, he was done.Marcus Dupree was not finished due to a hit, I can promise you that. He may have gotten rocked but the key to his career was he was unmotivated & lazy.
My point exactly. Remember, people were saying the same things about CB's field sense, strength, and vision before Mike Williams rang his bell. A year and a half later, he finally got it going again.Big game this weekend. We'll see how AD and Cedric do.If Peterson stays healthy... that is the key
If Reyes gets drafted before Brown, I'll eat my own head with a slathering of Cream Cheese.ColinDan Pompei presented this list of his top-10 senior RBs in last week's Sporting News. Not sure if there is an on-line link or not -- could not come up with one in a brief search. There was some commentary that accompanied each selection, but in the interest of keeping this post copyright-safe, I'll omit it.
1. Carnell Williams, Auburn 5-11, 210
2. Cedric Benson, Texas 6-0, 225
3. Anthony Davis, Wisconsin 5-8, 205
4. Walter Reyes, Syracuse 5-10, 213
5. Ronnie Brown, Auburn 6-1, 234
6. Lionel Gates, Louisville 6-0, 225
7. Kay-Jay Harris, West Virginia 6-2, 245
8. Darren Sproles, Kansas State 5-7, 180
9. Brandon Jacobs, Southern Illinois 6-4, 260
10. Noah Herron, Northwestern 5-11, 230
speaking of Brandon Jacobs, what the hell were he and Terry Jackson (ex-Minnesota RB) thinking? Both of them decide to transfer because they can't get playing time in front of Caddy/Ronnie Brown and Barber/Maroney. So they both transfer to Southern Illinois!?!? Right back to square one.Dan Pompei presented this list of his top-10 senior RBs in last week's Sporting News. Not sure if there is an on-line link or not -- could not come up with one in a brief search. There was some commentary that accompanied each selection, but in the interest of keeping this post copyright-safe, I'll omit it.
1. Carnell Williams, Auburn 5-11, 210
2. Cedric Benson, Texas 6-0, 225
3. Anthony Davis, Wisconsin 5-8, 205
4. Walter Reyes, Syracuse 5-10, 213
5. Ronnie Brown, Auburn 6-1, 234
6. Lionel Gates, Louisville 6-0, 225
7. Kay-Jay Harris, West Virginia 6-2, 245
8. Darren Sproles, Kansas State 5-7, 180
9. Brandon Jacobs, Southern Illinois 6-4, 260
10. Noah Herron, Northwestern 5-11, 230
A player doesn't have to be playing against the best competition in the world in order to show outstanding skills. High school football is a great example of this. Most of the top prospects are out there playing against teams comprised mainly of mediocre athletes with no hope of playing NCAA ball. That doesn't mean that what the top prospects accomplish in high school is meaningless and in no way indicative of future potential.When I watch a RB I can often see whether he has the physical skills needed to play at the next level. It doesn't really matter who's trying to tackle him. What matters more is how he runs.Against whose badass defense did he convince you that he'd win the Heisman and be a top 3 pick? Was it...a) Bowling Greenb) Houstonc) Oregonor d) Texas Tech?I'm not saying he doesn't have the potential, but let's not make him the next Dickerson just yet. Doing it this weekend in Dallas would only be a start, and that's a big if.Adrian Peterson is the best RB in college football right now. He's as good as advertised. It's scary to think where he'll be in two years if he stays healthy and matures physically like most 18 year olds do. He has the frame and the natural skills to be a top 3 pick in the NFL draft.