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So was any new functionality delivered with this website roll out, or was just a bunch of buggy, slow, suckiness?

 
That's disappointing.  More functionality missing.

Sure seems like you guys should have focused on getting the import functionality working this year and then work on your new UI for next season...
What functionality are you referring to here @Pokesfan?

The rankings here: http://subscribers.footballguys.com/apps/viewrankings.php?viewpos=ov&type=dynasty have never been filterable by MyFBG roster import. It is something that would be great add in the future for sure.

 
 I get that Simon is primarily concerned about constructive feedback but Joe and David need to understand that a lot of their customers are not happy with how this was handled.  

I can't speak for anyone else but 20 years ago I used to start working on my own projections in May. Work and family no longer allow me to do that, so I have been paying FBG for information and tools to help me be prepared without investing as much time. Every minute I spend trying to learn this the week of the draft is a minute I can't spend preparing for that draft.  That's kind of important to me even if Simon doesn't think it should be.
Tom, I think that is super important. What I can control is fixing issues and responding to your feedback. Sorry if my focus on that can come across as something else; apologies to any and all whenever that's the case. But we'll continue to work hard on this.

 
There's way too many clicks needed to change leagues and settings on most of these pages. 

Are you guys going to fix the UI?  The old my FBG looked a lot better than the new. More info on the screen, laid out better, and much easier to read. 

 
There's way too many clicks needed to change leagues and settings on most of these pages. 

Are you guys going to fix the UI?  The old my FBG looked a lot better than the new. More info on the screen, laid out better, and much easier to read. 
change leagues is two-click. How could we do better there? Definitely plan to have positions split out so changing is one click there.

We also plan on always showing the menu on the left if your screen is wide enough (around 1024px is likely to be the approximate breakpoint)

Any other concerns we can address there? Thanks for the feedback! 

 
@everyone who can't see the login screen due to font size being changed to large: this is an issue in the framework code we're using. Not passing the buck; we will look into fixes if we need to but we've asked them for advice/a fix first. We have a support contract with them for this kind of thing.

Here's the workaround for now: if you set the font size back to medium, you can zoom in on the page to increase the fonts. You can also tab into the password field as a few people have suggested. I know that's not ideal; just letting you guys know the ways I'm aware of to work around it while we look into how to fix it.

Thanks again for everyone's patience here. For the tech team, I can say the last few days we've learnt a lot. You'll see improvements to both this system and the way we handle future releases. Once we're up to speed and everyone's adjusted here, our first priority for the tech team is to work on quality control issues. Footballguys is transitioning from a company where guys work independently on stuff to a pro-tech team. We can and will do better on getting you guys releases that are more bug free.

 
Add me to the long list of guys who hate the mobilization of everything. I have big hands, fat fingers, and like my phone to actually fit in my pocket. I find it impossible to do much more than check my email on my phone because it's frustrating to constantly be linking to the wrong thing. I understand the business side of trying to make applications that work across multiple platforms, but something optimized for a mobile device will never be optimized for a lap/desktop. I find mobile apps inherently far less user-friendly in general

 
My primary league is unlinked yet when I click Rosters I get a jumble of 1/2 team names 1/2 Team 1 Team 2.  CTRL F5 doesn't clear it.  Chrome and Firefox same result.  I re-synch the league, and there are now double rosters, all named correctly.   Unsynch, back to original.  Synch to a different MFL league altogether, rosters load fine.  Unsynch that league, rosters remain from that league.  Re-synch back to original league, all is good.  This was all in FF.  CTRL F5 in Chrome and it's updated now.
The only reliable (so far) way I have found to fix this is to unsych, then re-synch to a league of a different size.  This league was 12 man but I synched to a 16 man league, then unsynched and went back to original 12 man. This seems to have fixed this in Chrome.

I am now logged out in FF and cannot log back in.  I tried multiple times on Thursday and Friday to logout but the window just hung.  I guess it decided to execute that in the last 15 minutes.  I've tried to log back in and all I'm getting is a brief cloud icon and then nothing.  I'm hopeful this will execute tomorrow some time.

@everyone who can't see the login screen due to font size being changed to large: this is an issue in the framework code we're using. Not passing the buck; we will look into fixes if we need to but we've asked them for advice/a fix first. We have a support contract with them for this kind of thing.

Here's the workaround for now: if you set the font size back to medium, you can zoom in on the page to increase the fonts. You can also tab into the password field as a few people have suggested. I know that's not ideal; just letting you guys know the ways I'm aware of to work around it while we look into how to fix it.

Thanks again for everyone's patience here. For the tech team, I can say the last few days we've learnt a lot. You'll see improvements to both this system and the way we handle future releases. Once we're up to speed and everyone's adjusted here, our first priority for the tech team is to work on quality control issues. Footballguys is transitioning from a company where guys work independently on stuff to a pro-tech team. We can and will do better on getting you guys releases that are more bug free.
How about a brief "how to" for those of us that, if we ever did it, don't remember how.  I doubt I have but I'd like to make sure.

 
One small thing I'm confused about.When using Preseason Personalized Rankings why are some players out of order? When I look at the columns I don't understand how the players are being listed. They are not in order by total points or ppg. How are these lists being sorted? 

 
Are there any plans to mass communicate updates to all subscribers? I find it odd that this new product has been so buggy, yet the only updates seem to be buried in a message board thread. 

 
Another thing to look at. Every time I unlink a league it keeps "something" in the Teams & Rosters data set.  It's like it just can't stand to unload them.  I would think if you unlink your league it should then show blanks, but it keeps showing random stuff.  And it's not like it's old, accurate stuff.  Currently all teams have either Team 1's actual entire roster or Team 2's entire actual roster (and note, I just got done unlinking the league).  CTRL F5 doesn't clear this.  Going to #rankings for this unlinked league pulls up partial ownership, but it's completely unlrelated to the data in the (unlinked) Teams & Rosters page under #leagues.  #roster gives me a dream team of Free Agents (that's probably as intended)

Oh and please allow ESC key to close dialogue boxes.  20 years of muscle memory aren't going to go away.

Clickable links along the top to change from #rankings to #leagues to #rosters would be super.  You have plenty of space on the page.

 
Steeler said:
I'm a developer too, and I'm on board with the new architecture design 100%. Ultimately it will make your lives so much easier.

But this is a customer service disaster.  David said this change isnt about money, so why not pay the syncing service fee for one more year so that MYFBG works now?!?!?  People would be happy to review the new my football guys stuff and provide constructive feedback throughout the year.  This decision not to run parallel versions is baffling.
@SimonShepherd - To Simon and the other developers, you guys have been put in a terrible spot.  We've all been given unreasonable deadlines by management and I know you guys are busting your asses to try to make this work.  I get the spot you are in so don't take this personally - but the website in it's current state is at a beta version at best.  Basic features don't even work!  I logged in, tried to view "Personalized Rankings", popup said "leagues loaded!", then a "loading..." popup was displayed and it will be there forever - clearly the page is done loading with nothing else going on.  This is a perfectly acceptable state for an app/website to be in at some point in the software development life cycle - but not something that should be shared with users 2.5 weeks before the start of the season!  

@DavidDodds  @JoeBryant

Please re-think this decision and restore the classic MYFBG completely so it is useful to your paying customers.  And I'll reiterate, people would be HAPPY to help troubleshoot the beta version of the new myfootballguys app throughout the season, when we all aren't under the gun of try to draft and all that.  Frankly, I don't see how the new app can be fixed in time for the start of the season. Again, no offense to the developers - that's just the reality of the situation as i see it.

 
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The ability to apply your league ownership to the Dynasty Rankings.  That makes it much easier to find potential Free Agents others have missed and trade targets.
I don't believe that was available previously - you referred to it as missing and I just wanted to double check that with you.

 
I don't believe that was available previously - you referred to it as missing and I just wanted to double check that with you.
This was ABSOLUTELY available last year.  You could go to Forecast --> Rankings --> Dynasty, then select your league, and click apply.  It would then pull up a list of all your teams and I think it would automatically highlight FAs (not sure about that, it's been missing awhile).  You could then select a team (or Free Agents) and it would highlight those team's players.  You could do that with any of the standard Rankings.

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It was one of my favorite features, along with 10 second primer.

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PS: How do you put people's names in a post so they see them?

 
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I don't believe that was available previously - you referred to it as missing and I just wanted to double check that with you.
It was availabke previously on the rankings screen.

You could highlight your players, opponents players, and or free agents In the dynasty rankings list.

...and why are there only 2 recent dyansty rankings and 100 recent redraft rankings?

Can we please start getting some dynasty content on this website?

 
This was ABSOLUTELY available last year.  You could go to Forecast --> Rankings --> Dynasty, then select your league, and click apply.  It would then pull up a list of all your teams and I think it would automatically highlight FAs (not sure about that, it's been missing awhile).  You could then select a team (or Free Agents) and it would highlight those team's players.  You could do that with any of the standard Rankings.

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It was one of my favorite features, along with 10 second primer.

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PS: How do you put people's names in a post so they see them?
This was the one screen that wasn't listed on the MyFBG page but did use that data. Thank you for bringing this up! I've added it as high priority.

 
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I will ask the guy who dev'ed that on this. That page hasn't been changed at all and there's no league select right now.
I'm assuming someone removed it as soon as you didn't have the ability to sync leagues.  I promise you it was there last season.

I attribute the lack of this functionality all summer to me not making any trades this summer. :)

 
Is there a running list of options on the new my footballguys, what's still to come, and also what is or isn't available in the old version?

 
change leagues is two-click. How could we do better there? Definitely plan to have positions split out so changing is one click there.

We also plan on always showing the menu on the left if your screen is wide enough (around 1024px is likely to be the approximate breakpoint)

Any other concerns we can address there? Thanks for the feedback! 
Looking at rankings.  You have to click into the menu, into the rankings, click on a position, unclick another position and click done.  Previously it was change position and hit Go.

Sort the leagues in the both the main league menu and on the Edit leagues page.  They were sorted on the old.

Scoring on the old MYFBG did not convert to the new.  Some of it did though but some of it is totally missing.  

 
I don't believe that was available previously - you referred to it as missing and I just wanted to double check that with you.
This was ABSOLUTELY available last year.
I find this sort of exchange to be very troubling, and it isn't the first time there has been an exchange like this. It seems that the current technical team does not have a full grasp of the functionality of the 'classic' products. That will inevitably lead to dropped features, as seems to have happened in this particular case.

Seriously, do you guys have a comprehensive understanding of the 'classic' products? Requirements specs, design documentation, test documentation, etc.?

I have been working in software development for 25 years, and it really doesn't sound like FBG is following a sound process here, on multiple levels.

 
And I had emailed about it, but just to add to the to-do list, on the new UI, you can't copy and paste into Excel without it jumbling all of the content (it may be the player pictures throwing things off). In the past you could copy and paste into Excel with no problem. So fixing that or adding some sort of export feature would be great. I believe Simon says they're working on that.

 
We recommend those using apple devices to download the app in the app store rather than use the site. At least for now, it will give you a better experience (just be a little bit behind in updates). The issue you are experiencing is likely an iPad browser specific issue. The issue you are experiencing is not an issue in desktop browsers.
It's working now. Gotta say although this is frustrating, you guys are working your butts off. @Simon Shepherd has responded to every email I've sent while working on this. That's good stuff and apreciated. The ire should be directed at the top, not the working men and women. Hopefully this is all good to go within a few days.

i just spent some time playing with it. I know there is still more to come but man, I think it's gonna be pretty damn awesome! I'm already loving this lineup coach. Although the old style I think you could look at more at one time but this is nice!

 
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Is there a running list of options on the new my footballguys, what's still to come, and also what is or isn't available in the old version?
I asked for something like this in the DD thread and got a pretty unsatisfactory response.

Simon,

IMO it would be helpful to provide us with a matrix of all total combined capabilities of DDC and the app, which would show which capabilities are implemented in 2016 DDC and 2016 app, which ones will be implemented in 2017 app, and which ones from DDC are not assigned to any future app release. Some of the frustration being expressed in this thread has to do with users having to experiment to discover for themselves what DDC capabilities are not supported in the 2016 app. Perhaps a roadmap/table would better set expectations and you would hear less frustration. I mean, surely you guys have enough intrinsic knowledge of DDC to accurately list all of its capabilities and which ones are supported vs. planned in the app, right?
Bolding below is mine.

Ok to be honest guys we got the response we needed from this thread and I think the discussion has covered a bunch of stuff for you guys too. Thank you for your input. At no point did we claim the app was feature-comparable to DD Classic. The purpose here was to work out out of the missing DD Classic stuff what you guys want in this app too. We could have implemented everything but want to avoid a bloated app. So we wanted some user input - thank you for providing it to us. I'm headed out this thread here for now because we're going round and round in circles and I need to concentrate on getting you guys the inseason tools you'll love for 2016.

I won't do a full feature comparison table at this point because we're concentrating on developing in season functionality.

thanks again for everyone's input here. Any user-specific queries from here can go to apps@footballguys.com. I think every other question is answered in our instruction manual or somewhere in this thread. Appreciate the thread is tough to read through but that's the best we can do for now. I'm jumping off for now.

 
I asked for something like this in the DD thread and got a pretty unsatisfactory response.

Bolding below is mine.
That's terrible.  They get rid of a piece of functionality that is honestly the top selling point of a subscription.  They implement a new version with pretty much no user input.  They do so with no requirements and no design and clearly little to no testing.  They don't provide a features list of the new functionality to subscribers.  They wonder why we are all upset and complaining.  I don't expect Simon to have to answer to that but would be nice if Joe or David could.  Or just give us back a fully functioning old MYFBG for 2016 since the new version isn't ready and is very buggy right during draft season.

 
That's terrible.  They get rid of a piece of functionality that is honestly the top selling point of a subscription.  They implement a new version with pretty much no user input.  They do so with no requirements and no design and clearly little to no testing.  They don't provide a features list of the new functionality to subscribers.  They wonder why we are all upset and complaining.  I don't expect Simon to have to answer to that but would be nice if Joe or David could.  Or just give us back a fully functioning old MYFBG for 2016 since the new version isn't ready and is very buggy right during draft season.
Let.It.Go.

The old isn't coming back, period. Your best bet is to work with the new and see if you can live with it. If not, oh well?

 
Let.It.Go.

The old isn't coming back, period. Your best bet is to work with the new and see if you can live with it. If not, oh well?
I know they've said the old site isn't coming back but I don't see any other way for them to go.  David and Joe made the decision to turn off the MyFBG site before the new version is ready for prime time - there is no reason they can't reconsider.  Once the subscription/fee/whatever to the site-syncing service is paid the old software should be back up and running within a few hours at most.  That working code should be in-tact somewhere in a code repository and could be deployed within minutes.  The only thing preventing that from happening is a decision from management not to pay that fee.  I don't think there is (or at least there shouldn't be) a period at the end of this right now based on the current landscape.

 
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I know they've said the old site isn't coming back but I don't see any other way for them to go.  David and Joe made the decision to turn off the MyFBG site before the new version is ready for prime time - there is no reason they can't reconsider.  Once the subscription/fee/whatever to the site-syncing service is paid the old software should be back up and running within a few hours at most.  That working code should be in-tact somewhere in a code repository and could be deployed within minutes.  The only thing preventing that from happening is a decision from management not to pay that fee.  I don't think there is (or at least there shouldn't be) a period at the end of this right now based on the current landscape.
This.  And Joe seems to be one that cares about customer service and making his customers happy.

 
I know they've said the old site isn't coming back but I don't see any other way for them to go.  David and Joe made the decision to turn off the MyFBG site before the new version is ready for prime time - there is no reason they can't reconsider.  Once the subscription/fee/whatever to the site-syncing service the old software was using the MyFBG should be back up and running within a few hours (being really generous).  That working code should be in-tact somewhere in a code repository and could be deployed within minutes.  The only thing preventing that from happening is a decision from management to pay that fee.  I don't think there is (or at least there shouldn't be) a period at the end of this right now.
I don't know how difficult (or cost prohibitive) it is to bring back the old MyFBG...  But David and Joe have been pretty stand up in the past in my experience. This is not to say they have gotten everything right. I remember at least one other 'ask for forgiveness' instead of 'ask for input' scenario when they flubbed a previous rollout (and there have probably been other examples as well).

At the very least, ownership should come out either here or more officially on the website with a general notice of what has occurred, what they are doing to make things right and some contrition of what has been a poorly planned and executed transition. If this is going on in May, I have no issue with the development growing pains (dynasty leaguers would even have to concede it would have to happen at some point). But for this to be going on in late August has severely harmed the product for subscribers. So much so, that the right thing to do (I believe) is to offer subscribers something in return - whether that is biting the bullet and absorbing the cost to bring back the old MyFBG for one more year (preferably) or some subscription discount or extension for existing subscribers, etc. And full disclosure, I have a lifetime subscription so the latter request would not benefit me in any way. I just think they have done irreparable harm to subscribers this season.

And to second the thoughts of others here giving constructive and balanced feedback, I don't believe Simon and the other developers here are the problem. They appear to be doing their best to be responsive and put out the endless number of fires this late rollout has resulted in.

 
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Man.  This is more of a use for me for in-season, so no biggie yet, but the FBG Main page is slow to load, and once there, I can click on ADP, and that's about it.   :(

 
Looking at rankings.  You have to click into the menu, into the rankings, click on a position, unclick another position and click done.  Previously it was change position and hit Go.

Sort the leagues in the both the main league menu and on the Edit leagues page.  They were sorted on the old.

Scoring on the old MYFBG did not convert to the new.  Some of it did though but some of it is totally missing.  
Positions will be sorted for sure soon.

What do you want the leagues sorted by? Or do you want them sortable? I can't see a way to sort them on the Classic MyFBG system.

Scoring would need an example there to look into that.

 
That's terrible.  They get rid of a piece of functionality that is honestly the top selling point of a subscription.  They implement a new version with pretty much no user input.  They do so with no requirements and no design and clearly little to no testing.  They don't provide a features list of the new functionality to subscribers.  They wonder why we are all upset and complaining.  I don't expect Simon to have to answer to that but would be nice if Joe or David could.  Or just give us back a fully functioning old MYFBG for 2016 since the new version isn't ready and is very buggy right during draft season.
Since this was in response to Just Win Baby's quote on the Draft Dominators, I want to just be clear there that in that case no functionality was taken away at all.

 
Man.  This is more of a use for me for in-season, so no biggie yet, but the FBG Main page is slow to load, and once there, I can click on ADP, and that's about it.   :(
Does the screen show right away? We're aware that on first load the news can delay things a little but should be better after that.

What happens when you hit the other options? Will do all we can here to sort it - sorry to have to ask for more details there. I do believe we're down to user-specific/setup issues at this point where things work in most scenarios, which is good, but the downside is we need a little more detail to get to the issues found. Thanks!

 
Since this was in response to Just Win Baby's quote on the Draft Dominators, I want to just be clear there that in that case no functionality was taken away at all.
People are probably just making this crap up or imagining it.  Or I suppose it is possible that the buggy code is preventing functionality from working and is perceived as missing.  Or possibly people are describing what is missing in terms that you don't understand and communication is not effectively happening.  Anyway given what a shiitshow this amateur website and application upgrade has been, I would be cautious about making such definitive statements.  You certainly can't import settings from previous year, you certainly cant load projections from the vbd worksheet, you certainly cant resize windows and customize the layout.

 
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I find this sort of exchange to be very troubling, and it isn't the first time there has been an exchange like this. It seems that the current technical team does not have a full grasp of the functionality of the 'classic' products. That will inevitably lead to dropped features, as seems to have happened in this particular case.

Seriously, do you guys have a comprehensive understanding of the 'classic' products? Requirements specs, design documentation, test documentation, etc.?

I have been working in software development for 25 years, and it really doesn't sound like FBG is following a sound process here, on multiple levels.
We had a call with Doug Drinen, who put together the classic MyFBG. We listed every thing the previous version did, going off the MyFBG page, which was a previous catch all. With the one exception of the numbered staff dynasty rankings. That's why that one slipped through the net. But to address your concern, we have gone through this feature matching process here. I'm sorry that one slipped through.

 
People are probably just making this crap up or imagining it.  Or I suppose it is possible that the buggy code is preventing functionality from working and is perceived as missing.  Or possibly people are describing what is missing in terms that you don't understand and communication is not effectively happening.  Anyway given what a shiitshow this amateur website and application upgrade has been, I would be cautious about making such definitive statements.  You certainly can't import settings from previous year, you certainly cant load projections from the vbd worksheet, you certainly cant resize windows and customize the layout.
Let me be double extra 100% clear there. The Draft Dominator Classic is still available so no functionality has been taken away there. People are free to choose between the two systems this year. Happy to answer further questions on that in the Draft Dominator thread.

 
Does the screen show right away? We're aware that on first load the news can delay things a little but should be better after that.

What happens when you hit the other options? Will do all we can here to sort it - sorry to have to ask for more details there. I do believe we're down to user-specific/setup issues at this point where things work in most scenarios, which is good, but the downside is we need a little more detail to get to the issues found. Thanks!
Screen shows.  Loads a little slow, but not terrible.

When I click on the menu icon on the top left, nothing happens.  When I click on the blank avatar icon in top right, nothing happens.  I click on personalized rankings, and it brings me to the 'sign up for Pro' page, which is mildly annoying, as I am logged in on the main page, but whatever.  From that page, I cannot click on the 'Sign In' option, or the previous mentioned icons.  

I right-clicked, hoping to pull it up in a new tab, and it doesn't recognize it as a link.  I am wondering if this is a chromebook thing.  

 

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