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Some in this thread don't bother to actually read before they post.
You failed to post the video of James Harrison removing Colt McCoy's helmet and beating him with it.
Yes, he was. What Garrett did with the late hit was worth a penalty, but it was football-related. After the play was over, Rudolph decided to yank at Garrett's helmet and kick him. Those actions weren't football-related, and started (instigated) the situation. What Garrett did at the end of the play was dirty, but we wouldn't be talking about that this morning. What Rudolph did, and what Garrett did, (and what Pouncey did) went way beyond dirty football into WTF-type behavior.
Pummeled a ref. Not sure this is apple's to apple's here.
Meh, they toast... let the appeals run this year and suspend all players for NEXT season. Profit!
I'd say if you limit it to Garrett, that was the WTF moment that had everybody is disbelief when they saw it. Everyone knows how heavy helmets are and that they're a weapon. I know belljr gave me stuff about it, but checking current and former players' reactions to Garrett's swing, they were stunned and appalled.
There were three helmet to helmet hits by the Browns on one play last nightTBH - I felt like some of the tackles were blatant /purposeful headshots and were worse
Yeah, those Harrison hits, most of Burfict's hits, the JuJu hit on Burfict a few years back, etc; were all "dirty" plays, but they were football plays. What Garrett did, similar to what Haynesworth did way back when, were not.
yeah maybe not instigator but he definitely tried to pull off his helmet (which makes no sense
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Wait until Bracie Smathers comes into your thread like he did with the Jets and posts about how classy Myles Garrett is/was.
You're right. Rudolph's grab at Garrett's helmet and kick were bad, but definitely not even close to being in the same league as what Garrett did. Grouping them together looks like an attempt to diminish what Garrett did. That isn't what I'm trying to do.
What are you talking about? You said:
McCabe’s nose was detached with most of his facial bones broken.
The fans paid to see 60 minutes of football. Pittsburgh was behind. They should be trying to score and Cleveland should be trying to stop them. Full stop.
I agree. I was just saying that you gave me stuff about the player reaction, which you did. I was responding to Bayhawks, GB.
Im a Steelers fan - I wouldn't say Rudolph was "innocent" in all that.These takes that Rudolph was the instigator are wild. Lots of my Browns fans friends saying Rudolph deserves a 2+ game suspension.
Three times, Hooper31? And I'm still having syntactical trouble with it, even on the third time.
"They" don't treat weed and dirty play the same. But as has been noted in this thread, this dirty play is much different than "typical" ones like the Harrison hits posted upthread, Burfict's hits, even the hit on Johnson in this game that got the Cle defender ejected. This was way beyond that, so the 2-3 games (I haven't heard this, though) is low, but to assume because players get significant suspensions for drugs means Garrett will be "gone for a very long time" is faulty logic, IMO.
But doesn't this have all the feeling of NC-17 sex scenes vs. thousands dying from a hailstorm of bullets in the movies?
It’s not faulty logic. They aren’t afraid to hammer guys with long suspensions. That’s my only point.
You should be embarrased for even posting that. One of the more ludicrous things in this whole thread.
Well I went back and timed it a few times. It was somewhere between 2.63 and 2.86 seconds after Rudolph got rid of the ball.
OK, if that's your point, agreed. I still don't think because they suspended Josh Gordon for a long time because of weed/alcohol will have anything to do with the length of Garrett's suspension, though.
Hey GB, I agree with you. My point was there are fights similar in camps and occasionally practice. If Garrett had just ripped the helmet off and not hit him, this would be not quite the same. I don't blame Rudolph one bit for wanting to go after Garrett and ask him what his F-Bomb problem is...just an unfortunate series of events that took away from Cleveland possibly righting the ship.
I bet he was thinking he was a pretty tough after his good tackle on the last interception. Ended up he's more like an angry little chihuahua dog though.
He might suck as a starting nfl qb but he’s tough AF. He took a swinging helmet from Myles Garrett off his bare head and barely flinched. They’d have to pull you and everybody here out of the ground like a bugs bunny cartoon.
