NBA BTTF IV - LEAGUE ID: 53356 (1 Viewer)

[the moops]

cheese?

hoos?

franco?

rnr?

doc?

Greco?

 

[TobiasFunke]

I'm out of commission from this afternoon until Tuesday morning. I assume we wouldn't start an auction until then?

Pretty sure we'll be done by then...have fun picking at 5.01

We're gonna do 96 auctions?

Is this for the 2018-2019 season or something?

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

I'm out of commission from this afternoon until Tuesday morning. I assume we wouldn't start an auction until then?

Pretty sure we'll be done by then...have fun picking at 5.01

We're gonna do 96 auctions?

Is this for the 2018-2019 season or something?

I'm thinking 5 days, with X number of players available per day and probably a $100 cap. You can place multiple contingent bids each day via blind bidding.

Example:

Players available Day 1 (although irl we'll use the top players from some list for 2015):

Detlef Schrempf, Buck Williams, Nate MacMillan, Karl Malone, Jeff Hornacek, Muggsy Bogues, Dominique Wilkins, Scottie Pippen, Rick Mahorn, Bill Wennington

You might submit:

Pippen $50

Malone $45

Nique $40

Detlef $20

Muggsy $10

Buck $10

MacMillan $10

Hornacek $8

Mahorn $7

Wennington $1

Commish would take all of the bids from a day and sort them. If you have the highest bid and funds remaining, you get them.

Only flaw I see with this plan is if you really prefer Detlef and want him to be your first money going out. But in most cases I think you're spending the most on the guys you like the most. Thoughts?

ETA: Also, you don't *have* to bid on everyone...I just think you can if you want.

 

[Frostillicus]

I would pay way more than that for Hornacek.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

I would pay way more than that for Hornacek.

HE'S YOURS!

 

[TobiasFunke]

I'm out of commission from this afternoon until Tuesday morning. I assume we wouldn't start an auction until then?

Pretty sure we'll be done by then...have fun picking at 5.01

We're gonna do 96 auctions?

Is this for the 2018-2019 season or something?

I'm thinking 5 days, with X number of players available per day and probably a $100 cap. You can place multiple contingent bids each day via blind bidding.

Example:

Players available Day 1 (although irl we'll use the top players from some list for 2015):

Detlef Schrempf, Buck Williams, Nate MacMillan, Karl Malone, Jeff Hornacek, Muggsy Bogues, Dominique Wilkins, Scottie Pippen, Rick Mahorn, Bill Wennington

You might submit:

Pippen $50

Malone $45

Nique $40

Detlef $20

Muggsy $10

Buck $10

MacMillan $10

Hornacek $8

Mahorn $7

Wennington $1

Commish would take all of the bids from a day and sort them. If you have the highest bid and funds remaining, you get them.

Only flaw I see with this plan is if you really prefer Detlef and want him to be your first money going out. But in most cases I think you're spending the most on the guys you like the most. Thoughts?

Seems like it invites complications. You need a contingency plan for pretty much everyone you bid on vis a vis all the other people. And if someone wins two players one day and wants just one of them how do you decide which one they get? Do they have to prioritize for you, or is it by highest bid, or by which one they outbid everyone the most by? And so on.

 

[the moops]

tobias - we are trying to make this as cluster####ey as possible, so please stop

 

[Spartans Rule]

IN.

No on auction, even though it's going to win anyway.

 

[No. 16]

If the cluster #### auction passes how about this?

Take the Top 120 (5 rounds - 24 players) based on salary and break them down into Tiers of 10, which will give us 12 tiers of 10. Then we take one player from each tier and bid on that grouping for that day. So each day we would be bidding on a Tier 1,2,3,4,etc.... (12 players total).

For example the Day 1 player pool would be the:

#1,#11,#21,#31,#41,#51,#61,#71,#81,#91,#101, #111 players based on salary.

Day #2 would be #2,#12,#22,#32,#42...etc.

And so forth....

Everyone places their bids. If you have the highest bid on a player you win that player. You can win multiple players each day. You don't have to place a bid on anyone that day if you don't want to.

This would be 12 players up for auction each day for 10 days and then after that we can draft the rest of the roster. What do you guys think?

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

I'm out of commission from this afternoon until Tuesday morning. I assume we wouldn't start an auction until then?

Pretty sure we'll be done by then...have fun picking at 5.01

We're gonna do 96 auctions?

Is this for the 2018-2019 season or something?

I'm thinking 5 days, with X number of players available per day and probably a $100 cap. You can place multiple contingent bids each day via blind bidding.

Example:

Players available Day 1 (although irl we'll use the top players from some list for 2015):

Detlef Schrempf, Buck Williams, Nate MacMillan, Karl Malone, Jeff Hornacek, Muggsy Bogues, Dominique Wilkins, Scottie Pippen, Rick Mahorn, Bill Wennington

You might submit:

Pippen $50

Malone $45

Nique $40

Detlef $20

Muggsy $10

Buck $10

MacMillan $10

Hornacek $8

Mahorn $7

Wennington $1

Commish would take all of the bids from a day and sort them. If you have the highest bid and funds remaining, you get them.

Only flaw I see with this plan is if you really prefer Detlef and want him to be your first money going out. But in most cases I think you're spending the most on the guys you like the most. Thoughts?

Seems like it invites complications. You need a contingency plan for pretty much everyone you bid on vis a vis all the other people. And if someone wins two players one day and wants just one of them how do you decide which one they get? Do they have to prioritize for you, or is it by highest bid, or by which one they outbid everyone the most by? And so on.

Well, you don't have to bid on everyone. I was thinking just highest bid if we ordered each day in pools of the best players. Otherwise it will be pretty tough...

 

[TobiasFunke]

I dunno, seems to me like a lot of effort just to avoid a problem that's not nearly as much of a problem this year anyway. There's more depth and differences of opinion at the top now, instead of two guys who are head and shoulders above the field like the last couple seasons. But what do I know, I've only done this once before. I'm always down for a nice sweaty cluster####.

 

[coyote5]

If the cluster #### auction passes how about this?

Take the Top 120 (5 rounds - 24 players) based on salary and break them down into Tiers of 10, which will give us 12 tiers of 10. Then we take one player from each tier and bid on that grouping for that day. So each day we would be bidding on a Tier 1,2,3,4,etc.... (12 players total).

For example the Day 1 player pool would be the:

#1,#11,#21,#31,#41,#51,#61,#71,#81,#91,#101, #111 players based on salary.

Day #2 would be #2,#12,#22,#32,#42...etc.

And so forth....

Everyone places their bids. If you have the highest bid on a player you win that player. You can win multiple players each day. You don't have to place a bid on anyone that day if you don't want to.

This would be 12 players up for auction each day for 10 days and then after that we can draft the rest of the roster. What do you guys think?

This is a decent way to do it. Still gonna be a cluster####. Why did I vote yes?!?

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

If the cluster #### auction passes how about this?

Take the Top 120 (5 rounds - 24 players) based on salary and break them down into Tiers of 10, which will give us 12 tiers of 10. Then we take one player from each tier and bid on that grouping for that day. So each day we would be bidding on a Tier 1,2,3,4,etc.... (12 players total).

For example the Day 1 player pool would be the:

#1,#11,#21,#31,#41,#51,#61,#71,#81,#91,#101, #111 players based on salary.

Day #2 would be #2,#12,#22,#32,#42...etc.

And so forth....

Everyone places their bids. If you have the highest bid on a player you win that player. You can win multiple players each day. You don't have to place a bid on anyone that day if you don't want to.

This would be 12 players up for auction each day for 10 days and then after that we can draft the rest of the roster. What do you guys think?

This is a decent way to do it. Still gonna be a cluster####. Why did I vote yes?!?

EXACTLY

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Eephus will get here soon and it will all make sense.

 

[coyote5]

If the cluster #### auction passes how about this?

Take the Top 120 (5 rounds - 24 players) based on salary and break them down into Tiers of 10, which will give us 12 tiers of 10. Then we take one player from each tier and bid on that grouping for that day. So each day we would be bidding on a Tier 1,2,3,4,etc.... (12 players total).

For example the Day 1 player pool would be the:

#1,#11,#21,#31,#41,#51,#61,#71,#81,#91,#101, #111 players based on salary.

Day #2 would be #2,#12,#22,#32,#42...etc.

And so forth....

Everyone places their bids. If you have the highest bid on a player you win that player. You can win multiple players each day. You don't have to place a bid on anyone that day if you don't want to.

This would be 12 players up for auction each day for 10 days and then after that we can draft the rest of the roster. What do you guys think?

This is a decent way to do it. Still gonna be a cluster####. Why did I vote yes?!?

EXACTLY

Cluster####™

 

[Eephus]

Eephus will get here soon and it will all make sense.

 

[hagmania]

I'm in. I know nothing about the NBA.

 

[hagmania]

Yes to the auction, that sounds clustery for sure.

 

[JMon348]

Why not just do the auction here on the board.

Example to follow:

 

[JMon348]

8ebok24

Kobe Bryant G LAL $5

 

[JMon348]

8ebok24

Kobe Bryant G LAL $5

8ebok24

Kobe Bryant G LAL $7

 

[JMon348]

If no one bids on your player for 24hrs he's yours

 

[Pumpnick]

am i in? whats going on

 

[Pumpnick]

why can't we just do an old time wis instead?

 

[JB Breakfast Club]

Here's how I ran a single season auction on WIS in the past:

Create six lists of players. One list for each position based on the primary position for players last season. The sixth list is for rookies.

Owners submit bids for the six positions like this:

PG 25

SG 10

SF 40

PF 15

C 5

Rookie 5

Gather the lists from all owners and sort by bid (I used 1000 instead of 100 to try to avoid ties, but 0 bids are allowed and sorted in random order).

You now have six separate draft orders, one for each list of players. The six drafts occur concurrently.

Snake draft the remaining players (I actually took two bids per list to put more players in the auction draft portion).

 

[Pumpnick]

is that bender from gambling thread?

 

[Eephus]

The problem with a slow message board auction is players stay on the block for a long time. Every dollar bump resets the end time for another 24 hour cycle. We have time but not that much.

I still think a blind bid auction is the best way to get through the auction rounds. We can knock off a dozen players in the time it would take to raise one guy from $32 to $33.

 

[scoobus]

Make it a 10 or 12 hour cycle.

Question for blind bidding if we go that route, what happens if you bid more than you have and win both the auctions? Like if lebron and Durant are both up for bid, and I want at least one of them so I bid on both, and somehow end up winning both but go over my allowed budget.

 

[Kev4029]

If no one bids on your player for 24hrs he's yours

The problem is people would keep bidding near the end of the clock and it would drag on forever.

 

[Eephus]

Make it a 10 or 12 hour cycle.

Question for blind bidding if we go that route, what happens if you bid more than you have and win both the auctions? Like if lebron and Durant are both up for bid, and I want at least one of them so I bid on both, and somehow end up winning both but go over my allowed budget.

I think winning multiple auctions to put an owner over the cap will be a very rare occurrence. We could either allow people to prioritize their bids or just let them pick which player after the auction closes.

I don't think this will be the cluster some people are predicting. The auction/draft is the best part of this league by far. The long season of waiting/barely paying attention and WIS' hopelessly flawed sim engine ensure this will continue. The auction won't be perfect but it'll be something different and give owners something to gripe about other than poor nerd dice rolling skills, injuries and WIS' hopelessly flawed sim engine. Even if the auction is a total mess, there's no payout at risk.

 

[No. 16]

Here's how I ran a single season auction on WIS in the past:

Create six lists of players. One list for each position based on the primary position for players last season. The sixth list is for rookies.

Owners submit bids for the six positions like this:

PG 25

SG 10

SF 40

PF 15

C 5

Rookie 5

Gather the lists from all owners and sort by bid (I used 1000 instead of 100 to try to avoid ties, but 0 bids are allowed and sorted in random order).

You now have six separate draft orders, one for each list of players. The six drafts occur concurrently.

Snake draft the remaining players (I actually took two bids per list to put more players in the auction draft portion).

This confuses me. In your example PG 25... is that $25 for a specific PG or is it basically $25 towards a PG who is assigned based on where that $25 is in relation to other owners bids?

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

If we are going to auction I strongly favor blind bid

 

[No. 16]

Make it a 10 or 12 hour cycle.

Question for blind bidding if we go that route, what happens if you bid more than you have and win both the auctions? Like if lebron and Durant are both up for bid, and I want at least one of them so I bid on both, and somehow end up winning both but go over my allowed budget.

That would still take days for a player to sell. Blind bidding is the way to go if we go the auction route.

If winning multiple players puts your over the cap then we could simply release that player back into bidding the next day and the owner takes a 10% or whatever cap hit (forced to cut Durant at $60, they must release him, take a $6 cap hit, and only free up $54).

Also if we do the blind bidding in the fashion I describe a few posts up, only one Top 10 player will be at auction each day. The varying tiers of talent up for bid each day will serve as auto-regulation to prevent people from over bidding as people wouldn't bid as much for the #1 player vs the #101 player. They also know that other Top 10 players will be up for grabs in the following days as well so they will put up realistic bids each day.

 

[RnR]

What in the name of John Martinez is going on in here? Jesus.

 

[Kev4029]

If we are going to auction I strongly favor blind bid

Totally agree.

 

[JB Breakfast Club]

Here's how I ran a single season auction on WIS in the past:

Create six lists of players. One list for each position based on the primary position for players last season. The sixth list is for rookies.

Owners submit bids for the six positions like this:

PG 25

SG 10

SF 40

PF 15

C 5

Rookie 5

Gather the lists from all owners and sort by bid (I used 1000 instead of 100 to try to avoid ties, but 0 bids are allowed and sorted in random order).

You now have six separate draft orders, one for each list of players. The six drafts occur concurrently.

Snake draft the remaining players (I actually took two bids per list to put more players in the auction draft portion).

This confuses me. In your example PG 25... is that $25 for a specific PG or is it basically $25 towards a PG who is assigned based on where that $25 is in relation to other owners bids?

You are bidding $25 toward the PG draft. If it's the fifth highest bid, you get the fifth pick in the PG draft and choose who you want from the available list when your turn is up.

 

[jomar]

blind bidding might limit the cluster####. Who wants that?

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Sign me up. If auction, blind bid.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

We just PM Shuke all our bids?

 

[Yo Mama]

In for auction.

 

[jomar]

What would happen if we just bid for draft spots?

We all get $100 and submit 5 bids. I might bid 61, 21, 13, 4, and 1. Everyone does the same we rank the bids highest to lowest. high bid drafts 1st, second highest 2nd and so on. My 61 bid might have been sixth highest overall, so I draft 6th. My 21 might be the 30th highest so I don't pick again until 30. Ties have a roll off.

It's an auction and a draft. It's a drauction.

To really make things clustery, repeat the process every 5 rounds.

 

[Pumpnick]

honestly, I'm out if i have to keep checking this to see whats going to happen

 

[Frostillicus]

New idea: put all players names in a hat. Randomly draw a player for each team continuing until we run out of players.

MAYBE NOBODY GETS LEBRON!!!

 

[No. 16]

What would happen if we just bid for draft spots?

We all get $100 and submit 5 bids. I might bid 61, 21, 13, 4, and 1. Everyone does the same we rank the bids highest to lowest. high bid drafts 1st, second highest 2nd and so on. My 61 bid might have been sixth highest overall, so I draft 6th. My 21 might be the 30th highest so I don't pick again until 30. Ties have a roll off.

It's an auction and a draft. It's a drauction.

To really make things clustery, repeat the process every 5 rounds.

Eh might as well do a regular draft at that point.

 

[No. 16]

honestly, I'm out if i have to keep checking this to see whats going to happen

You're gonna have to keep checking to participate. What's the difference? NBA season starts end of October.

 

[Pumpnick]

honestly, I'm out if i have to keep checking this to see whats going to happen

You're gonna have to keep checking to participate. What's the difference? NBA season starts end of October.

good point, i'll check back in 2 weeks

 

[scoobus]

I don't hate jomar's idea.

 

[the moops]

Sad I missed all this last night

 

[the moops]

fell all the way to the bottom of page 3

 

[Slapdash]

Going the traditional route seems to be the only way to get this done over the next month.