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*NBA THREAD* Abe will be missed (3 Viewers)
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Cliff Clavin
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Holy crap. How will the players ever find out their stats?!?!
simmonjm
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There is a reason Casey named him a captain. What a great show of leadership.
Timmay
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A lot more tuning into SportsCenter. They have SC in Canada right?Holy crap. How will the players ever find out their stats?!?!
Abraham
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I imagine Rudy just doesn't want to be around when the other players realize he shot 10/30 again.Cliff Clavin said:Holy crap. How will the players ever find out their stats?!?!Abraham said:
Cliff Clavin
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I'm pretty sure Rudy will have all the players cancel their cable, internet, cell plans and newspaper subscriptions. So yes, even though we do have SC (not the same as shown in the US), I must assume the players will not be allowed to watch it.Timmay said:A lot more tuning into SportsCenter. They have SC in Canada right?Cliff Clavin said:Holy crap. How will the players ever find out their stats?!?!Abraham said:
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
When Rudy takes an off-balance, contested 2 from 6 feet within the 3 point line, he's not doing that #### for himself.
Cliff Clavin
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"This was easy," Bryant told Yahoo Sports on Monday night. "This wasn't a negotiation. The Lakers made their offer with cap and building a great team in mind while still taking care of me as a player.Gr00vus said:
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Craig_MiamiFL
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Shocking....
Want to win? Change your ####### game...and make someone else around you better for the first time in your career.
Carmelo Anthony says he's not having fun playing basketball right now for the 3-10 Knicks and could be re-thinking his early stance when he said he plans to re-sign with the Knicks.
Melo becomes a free agent on July 1 and while the Knicks can pay him $34 million more than any other team, he also thought he'd be competing for a championship this season, which is simply not happening. "It's starting to get tough," he said. "When you're losing, it's not fun. The game is not fun right now. When you start pressing, pressing, pressing, it makes everything that much worse." Newsday's Al Iannazzone belives Melo could end up joining Kobe Bryant and the Lakers if things continue to go downhill in New York. And with Tyson Chandler's broken leg, Raymond Felton's banged up body and Amare Stoudemire a shell of his former self, it's hard to see things changing much for the Knicks any time soon.
Source: Newsday
Want to win? Change your ####### game...and make someone else around you better for the first time in your career.
Carmelo Anthony says he's not having fun playing basketball right now for the 3-10 Knicks and could be re-thinking his early stance when he said he plans to re-sign with the Knicks.
Melo becomes a free agent on July 1 and while the Knicks can pay him $34 million more than any other team, he also thought he'd be competing for a championship this season, which is simply not happening. "It's starting to get tough," he said. "When you're losing, it's not fun. The game is not fun right now. When you start pressing, pressing, pressing, it makes everything that much worse." Newsday's Al Iannazzone belives Melo could end up joining Kobe Bryant and the Lakers if things continue to go downhill in New York. And with Tyson Chandler's broken leg, Raymond Felton's banged up body and Amare Stoudemire a shell of his former self, it's hard to see things changing much for the Knicks any time soon.
Source: Newsday
Cliff Clavin
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Do the Bulls say no to a Gay / Deng trade?
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No. 16
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People might think I'm crazy, but Melo should go to the Bulls.
Rose straight up for Melo, who serves as the primary scorer and plays stretch 4.
Then they can flip Boozer ideally for a decent PG (Kyle Lowry?)
Decent PG that can hit 3s. (Lowry?)
Butler
Deng
Melo
Noah
That's an almost perfect team to surround Melo with.
EDIT: Didn't check salaries, but I'm sure they could make it work.
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tommyGunZ
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I'd love to see Melo in purple and gold. He's a first ballot HOF'er in his prime.
Yes please.
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Bolded my faves from this gem.You're talking to somebody that watched every minute of his college career. He also played some 3 and a lot of 5 in college. For example, Versus Kansas he played the 5 vs. Morris because our other bigs couldn't handle him. In terms of the attributes you listed: His handles are legendary. His lateral quickness and offensive penetration are good for an NBA 3, amazing for an NBA 4. His outside shooting is legendary...he shot 60% from 3 point range as a Sophomore...that's not a typo. If I were to criticize him I would say he doesn't have the ball handling ability or speed of Lebron James. His lateral quickness/penetration ability is probably about average for a starting NBA3 at this point, but he's so athletic I don't see it being a long term issue. The release on his shot could be quicker and the elevation on his jump shot will need to improve for the NBA(but that's just about every collegiate sophomore) His strengths are his a) strength (Barkley repeatedly said during the NCAA commentary "Derrick Williams is a MAN" b) athleticism (go to youtube, some ferocious/soaring dunks) his ability to finish breaks is elite c) length (Lute Olson calls him a taller/stronger Iguodola, Iquodola known for his length) d) shooting prowess (I challenge you to find a NCAA #4 with his 3 point shooting stats) e) efficiency - he lead the NCAA in offensive efficiency f) smarts - we're not talking about a thug with a low IQ. Smart kid, well liked by his teammates, came from a good home. g) unselfish - loves to pass the ball, very much in the mold of Iquodola, Miller had to get on him to shoot the ball more, he felt bad because he knew his other teammates wanted the ball more. h) shot blocking - his length and athleticism make him a beast in this respect, wont be as prevalent in the NBA though This kid is a sure thing. The only other player I've labeled that coming out UofA is Richard Jefferson, and Williams makes Jefferson look like CBA IMHO.its bc he played strictly as a 4 in college. nba guys most certainly want him to be a 3. but they question his handles, lateral quickness, penetrating abilities and outside game.I have no idea where this 4 talk is coming from...it's rather bizarre. I think NBA guys want him to be a 4 because it's a harder position to fill, but the kid is much more of a 3...and he's going to be a damn good one too.Williams apparently told everyone who would listen today that he's a 3, not a 4.
Good Posting Judge
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The mush that keeps on mushing.Bolded my faves from this gem.You're talking to somebody that watched every minute of his college career. He also played some 3 and a lot of 5 in college. For example, Versus Kansas he played the 5 vs. Morris because our other bigs couldn't handle him. In terms of the attributes you listed: His handles are legendary. His lateral quickness and offensive penetration are good for an NBA 3, amazing for an NBA 4. His outside shooting is legendary...he shot 60% from 3 point range as a Sophomore...that's not a typo. If I were to criticize him I would say he doesn't have the ball handling ability or speed of Lebron James. His lateral quickness/penetration ability is probably about average for a starting NBA3 at this point, but he's so athletic I don't see it being a long term issue. The release on his shot could be quicker and the elevation on his jump shot will need to improve for the NBA(but that's just about every collegiate sophomore) His strengths are his a) strength (Barkley repeatedly said during the NCAA commentary "Derrick Williams is a MAN" b) athleticism (go to youtube, some ferocious/soaring dunks) his ability to finish breaks is elite c) length (Lute Olson calls him a taller/stronger Iguodola, Iquodola known for his length) d) shooting prowess (I challenge you to find a NCAA #4 with his 3 point shooting stats) e) efficiency - he lead the NCAA in offensive efficiency f) smarts - we're not talking about a thug with a low IQ. Smart kid, well liked by his teammates, came from a good home. g) unselfish - loves to pass the ball, very much in the mold of Iquodola, Miller had to get on him to shoot the ball more, he felt bad because he knew his other teammates wanted the ball more. h) shot blocking - his length and athleticism make him a beast in this respect, wont be as prevalent in the NBA though This kid is a sure thing. The only other player I've labeled that coming out UofA is Richard Jefferson, and Williams makes Jefferson look like CBA IMHO.its bc he played strictly as a 4 in college. nba guys most certainly want him to be a 3. but they question his handles, lateral quickness, penetrating abilities and outside game.I have no idea where this 4 talk is coming from...it's rather bizarre. I think NBA guys want him to be a 4 because it's a harder position to fill, but the kid is much more of a 3...and he's going to be a damn good one too.Williams apparently told everyone who would listen today that he's a 3, not a 4.
Williams was inhuman for that sophomore season. Didn't do much before, hasn't done much since.
tommyGunZ
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Yep. Remember folks touting him over Kyrie? LOLThe mush that keeps on mushing.Bolded my faves from this gem.You're talking to somebody that watched every minute of his college career. He also played some 3 and a lot of 5 in college. For example, Versus Kansas he played the 5 vs. Morris because our other bigs couldn't handle him. In terms of the attributes you listed: His handles are legendary. His lateral quickness and offensive penetration are good for an NBA 3, amazing for an NBA 4. His outside shooting is legendary...he shot 60% from 3 point range as a Sophomore...that's not a typo. If I were to criticize him I would say he doesn't have the ball handling ability or speed of Lebron James. His lateral quickness/penetration ability is probably about average for a starting NBA3 at this point, but he's so athletic I don't see it being a long term issue. The release on his shot could be quicker and the elevation on his jump shot will need to improve for the NBA(but that's just about every collegiate sophomore) His strengths are his a) strength (Barkley repeatedly said during the NCAA commentary "Derrick Williams is a MAN" b) athleticism (go to youtube, some ferocious/soaring dunks) his ability to finish breaks is elite c) length (Lute Olson calls him a taller/stronger Iguodola, Iquodola known for his length) d) shooting prowess (I challenge you to find a NCAA #4 with his 3 point shooting stats) e) efficiency - he lead the NCAA in offensive efficiency f) smarts - we're not talking about a thug with a low IQ. Smart kid, well liked by his teammates, came from a good home. g) unselfish - loves to pass the ball, very much in the mold of Iquodola, Miller had to get on him to shoot the ball more, he felt bad because he knew his other teammates wanted the ball more. h) shot blocking - his length and athleticism make him a beast in this respect, wont be as prevalent in the NBA though This kid is a sure thing. The only other player I've labeled that coming out UofA is Richard Jefferson, and Williams makes Jefferson look like CBA IMHO.its bc he played strictly as a 4 in college. nba guys most certainly want him to be a 3. but they question his handles, lateral quickness, penetrating abilities and outside game.I have no idea where this 4 talk is coming from...it's rather bizarre. I think NBA guys want him to be a 4 because it's a harder position to fill, but the kid is much more of a 3...and he's going to be a damn good one too.Williams apparently told everyone who would listen today that he's a 3, not a 4.
Williams was inhuman for that sophomore season. Didn't do much before, hasn't done much since.
the moops
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Lets make this happen
hxperson
Footballguy
No way the Raps make that trade. Lowry's contract is an asset while Boozer's is an albatross. That doesn't make any sense.
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
Gay/Lowry for Deng/Boozer works IMO provided Deng commits to a extension.
Gives the Bulls a much needed PG and the inefficient scoring that they'll miss with Rose out.
Gives the Raptors no more Gay. Boozer's and Gay's contracts a wash next year (slight savings for Toronto). Kills the Raptors at PG in the short term. Gets JV a lot more touches.
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No. 16
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Lowry is a UFA after this year. Throw in a draft pick and I doubt they turn it down. Boozer deal maybe has 2 or 3 years left which isn't too bad.
Still I really like the idea of Rose for Melo.
Cliff Clavin
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Sammy3469
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If Chicago's going to tank, they're going to tank...of course Gay may make tanking easier.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
It's in the Wizards thread, but posting here for anyone interested:
Bradley Beal injury, as first reported on Twitter by Bill Simmons (!), is a "stress injury" to the same leg he hurt last year. He'll miss at least two weeks, team will re-evaluate after that. He didn't sound too concerned, says he could go today if he had to but team thought it prudent to give him some rest so it doesn't get worse down the line. Really doesn't sound too bad.
On the other hand, Otto Porter has been listed as "day to day" with no further info since the start of training camp. So that's the kind of organization/luck we're dealing with here.
Bradley Beal injury, as first reported on Twitter by Bill Simmons (!), is a "stress injury" to the same leg he hurt last year. He'll miss at least two weeks, team will re-evaluate after that. He didn't sound too concerned, says he could go today if he had to but team thought it prudent to give him some rest so it doesn't get worse down the line. Really doesn't sound too bad.
On the other hand, Otto Porter has been listed as "day to day" with no further info since the start of training camp. So that's the kind of organization/luck we're dealing with here.
TobiasFunke
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Leeroy Jenkins
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Fat? http://img.bleacherreport.net/img/images/photos/002/524/122/hi-res-182104388-otto-porter-jr-of-the-washington-wizards-poses-for-a_crop_exact.jpg?w=1500&h=1500&q=85
http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1480800.1381347574!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_635/181468459nd001-nets-wiz.jpg
He's like 6'9", 205.
Porter had/has both a hip and hamstring injury IIRC.
tommyGunZ
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Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
Not enough people appreciated Dray's commitment to his Hot Plate Williams impression.
Joe Summer
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tommyGunZ
Footballguy
Link? I hoped Howard would become a defensive anchor, but I've never ever, every never believed in him being an offensive force.
pollardsvision
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tommyGunZ
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Lol at Jordan Hill
Cliff Clavin
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Good thing for Rudy the game sheet isn't getting passed around tonight
Casey cost his team another game. Down 5 starting the 4th, he decides the best line-up is Hansbrough, Fields, Augustin, Novak and Ross. 2 minutes later they're down 11 and the Nets are in the bonus. Fan-#######-tastic. Oh, and don't put the ball in Lowry's or Derozan's hands for the final play even though they carried the team the whole game. Give it to the overpaid bum
Casey cost his team another game. Down 5 starting the 4th, he decides the best line-up is Hansbrough, Fields, Augustin, Novak and Ross. 2 minutes later they're down 11 and the Nets are in the bonus. Fan-#######-tastic. Oh, and don't put the ball in Lowry's or Derozan's hands for the final play even though they carried the team the whole game. Give it to the overpaid bum
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Premier
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Oladipo throws one down for his main hater. Hey Gunz put this on a lame ### t-shirt:
http://www.nba.com/video/games/hawks/2013/11/26/0021300213-orl-atl-play4.nba/index.html#$/video/games/hawks/2013/11/26/0021300213-orl-atl-play4.nba/index.html
http://www.nba.com/video/games/hawks/2013/11/26/0021300213-orl-atl-play4.nba/index.html#$/video/games/hawks/2013/11/26/0021300213-orl-atl-play4.nba/index.html
Abraham
Footballguy
3-12? Oh heavens. Averaging 7-19 on the year. :XGood thing for Rudy the game sheet isn't getting passed around tonight
Casey cost his team another game. Down 5 starting the 4th, he decides the best line-up is Hansbrough, Fields, Augustin, Novak and Ross. 2 minutes later they're down 11 and the Nets are in the bonus. Fan-#######-tastic. Oh, and don't put the ball in Lowry's or Derozan's hands for the final play even though they carried the team the whole game. Give it to the overpaid bum
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
Don't forget about the 7 turnovers.3-12? Oh heavens. Averaging 7-19 on the year. :XGood thing for Rudy the game sheet isn't getting passed around tonight
Casey cost his team another game. Down 5 starting the 4th, he decides the best line-up is Hansbrough, Fields, Augustin, Novak and Ross. 2 minutes later they're down 11 and the Nets are in the bonus. Fan-#######-tastic. Oh, and don't put the ball in Lowry's or Derozan's hands for the final play even though they carried the team the whole game. Give it to the overpaid bum
Craig_MiamiFL
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No question. I don't even think Gay/Boozer would interest them (. They're not taking on a year additional of Gay (and have option to amnesty Boozer). I expect them to be in full sell mode no later than this offseason (not re-upping Deng and Boozer either dealt for a last year contract guy or amnestied)
I expect their 2014-15 roster to be something like:
PG Rose or Teague/Hinrich if former not healthy
SG FA or Snell/Dunleavy/draft pick
SF Butler or FA/draft pick (if you want to flip him to SG)
PF Mirotic
C Noah
I don't expect Deng/Boozer in Bulls unis next year & expect the Bulls to try to find their next franchise player (likely through the draft as I don't expect to spend significantly on a FA). They simply can't count on Rose to be that any longer. Deng nor Boozer are going to be that. Someone will pay Deng a lot of money. The guy has a ton of mileage on him for a soon to be 29 year old (coming into the league at 18). Very good player -- but not one I'd pay franchise player type money at this point in his career.
It's also very possible the Bulls collect their top 10 protected Bobcats pick in 2014 in a loaded draft if Bobcats continue at current pace. If I'm the Bulls, I'd tank the hell out of the season. Won't happen with Thibs there, but they'd be better off in the future.
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