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*NBA THREAD* Abe will be missed (2 Viewers)

Lets help Abe out here with a list of teams that Asik wouldn't be a terrible fit on:

Cleveland

Dallas

Denver ???

Miami

Philly (roster wise he fits, not necessarily with their tanking plans)

Phoenix

That it?

 
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Abraham said:
Cliff Clavin said:
Lets help Abe out here with a list of teams that Asik wouldn't be a terrible fit on:

Cleveland

Dallas

Denver ???

Miami

Philly (roster wise he fits, not necessarily with their tanking plans)

Phoenix

That it?
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New Orleans.

Atlanta.
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Horford and Davis. Would Asik be happy to back them up? Why would those teams want to pay a guy to be a backup when he is already crying about being a backup?

 
Because horford and Davis are both better suited to play power forward. No offense, but have you not seen article after article saying that Anderson/Asik or millsaps/Asik makes tons of sense for both teams?

Also, espn saying Cleveland has approached:

Knicks about shunpert

Bulls about Deng

Sixers about turner.

With regard to waiters.

 
TobiasFunke said:
Notorious T.R.E. said:
Sammy3469 said:
pollardsvision said:
I didn't watch Bennett in college. Was he always this fat?

I could be wrong, but I really have a hard time seeing a short, fat PF with no offensive game turning things around in any meaningful way.
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I keep coming back to how much the description of his game resembles that of Joe Alexander (and for that matter Derrick Williams). Yeah Alexander was a SF, but both were labelled as athletic 3/4s who don't have post games and shoot the ball well for their positions in college (notice they weren't flat-out great college shooters, but rather great shooters for their position in college). That description for 3/4 tweeners just seems like a recipe for failure these days.
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I think at least in college Bennett demonstrated a much better ball handling ability than DWill or White Chocolate Thunder Explosion Maker. There are a ton of similarities though.

Here's some youtube highlights of Bennett.

Bennett did have off-season shoudler surgery and looks fatter. But that doesn't mean it's cool to come out and shoot 1 for 1000 from the field.
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Do the Oklahoma City fans who attempt the half-court shot during a timeout still have a better shooting percentage than Bennett? It was nip and tuck for a while.
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Since it was brought up

Cameron Rodriguez won $20,000 for making a half-court shot during an Oklahoma City Thunder game last week. But he might not be able to keep the money because he is a basketball player at Southwestern College in Winfield.Rodriguez and his school are asking the NAIA for a rules exception that would allow him to use the money as a scholarship to help pay his tuition.

“I didn’t really think about it at first because I was way too excited,” Rodriguez, 23, said. “After things settled down, I realized we might have an issue because I was receiving a large amount of money.”

The NAIA student guide says athletes cannot use their sports ability or fame for financial reward. John Leavens, the executive director of the NAIA Eligibility Center, said rulings on these cases typically take one to two weeks.

“It would certainly hurt his cause if he had tried to circumvent the rules,” Leavens said in a telephone interview. “The fact that he connected with the right officials to make sure that he understood the proper application of the rule is something that we expect, and we’re glad to see.”

Ed Loeb, a Southwestern math professor and faculty athlete representative, said Rodriguez would have lost eligibility for at least a full academic year had he pocketed the money, but that there would have been no conflict if Rodriguez won the money in a non-basketball promotion, such as a long golf putt.

NCAA regulations also say athletes are ineligible if they use their skills in their particular sport for pay. The bylaws make an exception for prizes from promotions where contestants are chosen at random, as Rodriguez was, NCAA spokeswoman Emily James said in an email.

Rodriguez said he has a $4,000 athletic scholarship but pays roughly $33,000 per year for room, board, books and other fees.

If the NAIA says he can’t use the money as a scholarship, Rodriguez said, MidFirst Bank, the sponsor of the Thunder promotion, offered to donate it to a charity in his name. Rodriguez said he probably would choose between a non-profit set up to help the Southwestern basketball program, or a group through the Thunder’s work with local children — “a thank you for the opportunity and the experience,” he said.

Rodriguez, 6-foot-6, 210-pound sophomore from Elk City, Okla., hadn’t tried a half-court shot since high school before he won the contest.

“Shooting clutch free throws at the end of a game is hard to beat, but that’s the first time I’ve ever had almost 20,000 sets of eyes on me,” Rodriguez said. “In an NBA arena, it’s something else.”
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Read more here: http://www.kansas.com/2013/11/26/3143921/southwestern-college-player-may.html#storylink=cpy
 
Abraham said:
Because horford and Davis are both better suited to play power forward. No offense, but have you not seen article after article saying that Anderson/Asik or millsaps/Asik makes tons of sense for both teams?
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Nope. Link? I can see how those both make sense for Houston. Davis/Asik and Horford/Asik front courts don't sound that great to me.

 
http://www.opposingviews.com/i/sports/nba/nba-rumors-rockets-considering-trading-jeremy-lin-and-omer-asik-blazers-or-pelicans

"According to Mitch Lawrence of the NY Daily News, the Rockets are considering the following:

The Trail Blazers are off to one of their best starts in years, but theyre not kidding themselves. They know theyve taken advantage of a pillow-soft schedule and have surprised themselves with their shooting (45%). So theyre quietly looking to improve, talking to the Rockets about trading for Omer Asik. They can send back Robin Lopez in a deal, but dont have the stretch four the Houston is looking for as it searches for a home for its disgruntled backup center. The Rockets want a power forward who can shoot threes to pair next to Dwight Howard. That led them, predictably, to the Pelicans, home of Ryan Anderson. But the Pelicans refused to part with Anderson, even though putting Asik in the middle and moving Anthony Davis to power forward makes a lot of sense."

And

Slides 2 and 5

http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/1806745-5-best-omer-asik-trade-options-for-houston-rockets

 
Abraham said:
http://www.opposingviews.com/i/sports/nba/nba-rumors-rockets-considering-trading-jeremy-lin-and-omer-asik-blazers-or-pelicans

"According to Mitch Lawrence of the NY Daily News, the Rockets are considering the following:

The Trail Blazers are off to one of their best starts in years, but theyre not kidding themselves. They know theyve taken advantage of a pillow-soft schedule and have surprised themselves with their shooting (45%). So theyre quietly looking to improve, talking to the Rockets about trading for Omer Asik. They can send back Robin Lopez in a deal, but dont have the stretch four the Houston is looking for as it searches for a home for its disgruntled backup center. The Rockets want a power forward who can shoot threes to pair next to Dwight Howard. That led them, predictably, to the Pelicans, home of Ryan Anderson. But the Pelicans refused to part with Anderson, even though putting Asik in the middle and moving Anthony Davis to power forward makes a lot of sense."

And

Slides 2 and 5

http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/1806745-5-best-omer-asik-trade-options-for-houston-rockets
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Houston can get Patterson back cheaply right now if they just need a stretch 4.

 
Abraham said:
http://www.opposingviews.com/i/sports/nba/nba-rumors-rockets-considering-trading-jeremy-lin-and-omer-asik-blazers-or-pelicans

"According to Mitch Lawrence of the NY Daily News, the Rockets are considering the following:

The Trail Blazers are off to one of their best starts in years, but theyre not kidding themselves. They know theyve taken advantage of a pillow-soft schedule and have surprised themselves with their shooting (45%). So theyre quietly looking to improve, talking to the Rockets about trading for Omer Asik. They can send back Robin Lopez in a deal, but dont have the stretch four the Houston is looking for as it searches for a home for its disgruntled backup center. The Rockets want a power forward who can shoot threes to pair next to Dwight Howard. That led them, predictably, to the Pelicans, home of Ryan Anderson. But the Pelicans refused to part with Anderson, even though putting Asik in the middle and moving Anthony Davis to power forward makes a lot of sense."

And

Slides 2 and 5

http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/1806745-5-best-omer-asik-trade-options-for-houston-rockets
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Yeah, just because some writer in NY says it makes a lot of sense doesn't make it so and he even says the Pelicans passed on a Asik for Anderson deal. Really doesn't help your point. The Pelicans are already one of the best rebounding teams in the league. What do they get out of adding Asik?

I'm going to pass on a bleacherreport slideshow.

 
Bill Simmons and zack Lowe have talked about the same scenarios. Beat writers in New Orleans, Houston and Atlanta. On and on. Please tell me whose word you won't "pass on" and I'll find more references for you. Best I can tell you are the only person with the opinion that Davis and horford wouldn't make sense at the 4. But I'll be glad to keep cutting and pasting more and more results.

 
Abraham said:
Bill Simmons and zack Lowe have talked about the same scenarios. Beat writers in New Orleans, Houston and Atlanta. On and on. Please tell me whose word you won't "pass on" and I'll find more references for you. Best I can tell you are the only person with the opinion that Davis and horford wouldn't make sense at the 4. But I'll be glad to keep cutting and pasting more and more results.
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Link? I won't pass on those. But a slideshow from bleacher report? Come on.

I never said Davis or Horford at the 4 doesn't make sense. I said pairing them with Asik doesn't make sense.

 
Abraham said:
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--rockets-have-talked-to-multiple-teams-about-trading-disgruntled-center-omer-asik-230322619.html
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Come on. What is this "physical burden" that Davis is under? Sure they discussed a deal at the draft; that was a good bit of time ago and again, nothing came of it because as the article says, Houston is asking for a ridiculous price. Davis is doing just fine with Smith playing beside him. Giving up Anderson to get a slight upgrade from Smith while losing Anderson makes ZERO sense. How does that make NO a better team? Why would anyone give up something of value for Asik? Houston has zero leverage. If they start throwing in a few 1st round picks or Parsons, then that deal may happen.

A one liner at the end of an article claiming a physical burden on Davis doesn't mean it makes sense.

 
Cliff Clavin said:
Abraham said:
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--rockets-have-talked-to-multiple-teams-about-trading-disgruntled-center-omer-asik-230322619.html
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Come on. What is this "physical burden" that Davis is under? Sure they discussed a deal at the draft; that was a good bit of time ago and again, nothing came of it because as the article says, Houston is asking for a ridiculous price. Davis is doing just fine with Smith playing beside him. Giving up Anderson to get a slight upgrade from Smith while losing Anderson makes ZERO sense. How does that make NO a better team? Why would anyone give up something of value for Asik? Houston has zero leverage. If they start throwing in a few 1st round picks or Parsons, then that deal may happen.

A one liner at the end of an article claiming a physical burden on Davis doesn't mean it makes sense.
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I give up. I have better things to do then continue posting link after link wherein people who write or talk about sports for a living discuss this. Maybe they are all idiots. I don't know. But acting incredulous that anyone would suggest Davis and horford would be each better suited playing the 4 while the vast majority of the internet is saying exactly that....umph.

http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2013/10/30/blogtable-asiks-future-in-houston/

 
Hey Gunz -- In the last two nights Oladipo has 36 points on 22 total shots. Total bust.

You know what they call a guard that efficient in LA?

the visitors

 
Abraham said:
Cliff Clavin said:
Abraham said:
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--rockets-have-talked-to-multiple-teams-about-trading-disgruntled-center-omer-asik-230322619.html
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Come on. What is this "physical burden" that Davis is under? Sure they discussed a deal at the draft; that was a good bit of time ago and again, nothing came of it because as the article says, Houston is asking for a ridiculous price. Davis is doing just fine with Smith playing beside him. Giving up Anderson to get a slight upgrade from Smith while losing Anderson makes ZERO sense. How does that make NO a better team? Why would anyone give up something of value for Asik? Houston has zero leverage. If they start throwing in a few 1st round picks or Parsons, then that deal may happen.

A one liner at the end of an article claiming a physical burden on Davis doesn't mean it makes sense.
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I give up. I have better things to do then continue posting link after link wherein people who write or talk about sports for a living discuss this. Maybe they are all idiots. I don't know. But acting incredulous that anyone would suggest Davis and horford would be each better suited playing the 4 while the vast majority of the internet is saying exactly that....umph.

http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2013/10/30/blogtable-asiks-future-in-houston/
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:wall:

Again, I never said they shouldn't play the 4. So far the links you've posted have said:

"Asik would fit in NO to relieve a "physical burden" on Davis" -Why give up Anderson for this when Smith or any other big can do it?

"A deal that would send him to New Orleans for Howard’s old sidekick from their Orlando days, Ryan Anderson, is a perfect fit move that helps both teams that a needed step forward." -Absolutely zero reasoning for why it is good for NO.

"Asik would fit in with the Pelicans, too, slipping into the center position next to Anthony Davis as power forward." -Davis is already playing the 4. He slides to the 5 when Anderson is on the floor. But same as the "physical burden" argument that really means nothing.

Those are some great arguments from people who write about sports for a living. Of course people want to write about a deal for Anderson; it would be fantastic for Houston. Sadly, they fail to make a single compelling argument for why Asik would be good for NO.

I thought you might have an article like Why The Pelicans Should Trade For Asik, not just random one-liners who aren't even making an attempt to look at it from NO side of things.

 
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I wasn't saying Davis should move to the 4 or whatever. Nor horford. I was saying that much of the speculation centers around those two things. I have no idea if they make good basketball sense. Just saying that's what is out there.

 
Abraham said:
I wasn't saying Davis should move to the 4 or whatever. Nor horford. I was saying that much of the speculation centers around those two things. I have no idea if they make good basketball sense. Just saying that's what is out there.
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That isn't even people speculating about what makes sense, it's a bunch of people laying out what Houston has been dangling out there. They want an immediate impact player or an unprotected pick in this year's draft. Asik is still a Rocket, so that's a strong indicator of what other teams think of these sorts of offers.

 
Yeah, I'm with Abe here. It's not like the Asik for Anderson deal is one of his ridiculous ESPN trade machine concoctions after his 3rd 40. Woj is as legit as it gets, and there have been lots of stories/rumors/tweets about a deal with those two as principals for months.

 
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