*NBA THREAD* Abe will be missed (5 Viewers)

[MAC_32]

Hey Gunz -- In the last two nights Oladipo has 36 points on 22 total shots. Total bust.

You know what they call a guard that efficient in LA? the visitors

i want oladipo.And Barnes.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Yeah, I'm with Abe here. It's not like the Asik for Anderson deal is one of his ridiculous ESPN trade machine concoctions after his 3rd 40. Woj is as legit as it gets, and there have been lots of stories/rumors/tweets about a deal with those two as principals for months.

And why does NO make that deal? Woj is certainly legit but his reasoning is terrible. They give up Anderson to ease the "physical burden" on Davis? Come on. Lots of guys can do that without giving up one of your best players for a role player. If it has been rumoured for so long why hasn't anything happened? Houston obviously wants to get something done ASAP. Every game Asik sits on the bench drops his value.

I'm sure the trade could happen. But that doesn't mean it makes any sense. Hell, Bargnani fetched a 1st and 2 2nds from a team who needed defence and didn't another volume scoring ball stopper.

 

[Abraham]

In think the Anderson deal makes sense if the cans want to give Davis more mobility around the paint instead of anchoring him there. I doubt it will happen- Anderson is young and on a fair contract. Guys like that don't get traded often.

 

[thecatch]

Anderson is critical to their floor spacing with all of their guards who can't shoot. There aren't a lot of centers who are going to beat up on Davis in te post. That deal makes zero sense for them.

 

[Premier]

This is so amazing:

http://deadspin.com/jason-kidd-earned-the-nets-an-extra-time-out-by-droppin-1473025267?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow

 

[Raider Nation]

This is so amazing:

http://deadspin.com/jason-kidd-earned-the-nets-an-extra-time-out-by-droppin-1473025267?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow

http://nba.si.com/2013/11/27/jason-kidd-spills-soda-on-court-delay-of-game-timeout-nets-lakers/

 

[Tango]

I don't see Waiters bringing back much. What does he do well? Basically nothing.

Man the Cavs are really bad at drafting.

Waiters was all-rookie last year. I cant say I've watched every Waiters pro game...but I attended last Wednesday's loss at the Q vs Washington and watched the Heat game tonight.

Waiters creates off the dribble with a shoot first/pass second approach and can draw contact and get to the line (he's an 80% FT guy doing 67% so far this year); a lot like Irving does. Waiters does little spot shooting, but when he does he can drain a 3. When Irving's not in the game he does what Irving does equally as well; at least during my small sample size. Waiters style is more controlled than Irving's; more robotic, less creative...but less erratic. Defensively seems a bit better than Irving effort-wise.

When they're in the game together, they seem to alternate who is going to penetrate the defense and create.

....Not sure why Waiters couldnt become a perennial 17-22ppg guy with a few all-star appearances along the way. It's seems to be in the cards for him with just a little bit more development. He came out as a sophomore so he will con't to improve.

 

[MAC_32]

Waiters is a twenty twenty guy.

Twenty shots to get twenty points.

 

[DrJ]

Asik for P Gasol, straight up. Then we can see what the Lakers would have done with an efficient SG last year.

 

[thecatch]

Waiters is a twenty twenty guy.

Twenty shots to get twenty points.

He can join Faried and Asik on the FFA's perennial all-NBA team.

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

Suns just throttled the Blazers tonight w/o Bledsoe. Stunned this team is above .500 (expected them to finish with one of the 5 worst records in the league in the preseason). Hornacek has these guys playing hard. They're unquestionably as individuals less talented every night, but play complement one other perfectly.

Just noticed there's only 2 team above .500 in the East..

 

[Eephus]

This is so amazing:

http://deadspin.com/jason-kidd-earned-the-nets-an-extra-time-out-by-droppin-1473025267?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow

http://nba.si.com/2013/11/27/jason-kidd-spills-soda-on-court-delay-of-game-timeout-nets-lakers/

and you guys were all saying he didn't know how to coach

 

[tommyGunZ]

Hey Gunz -- In the last two nights Oladipo has 36 points on 22 total shots. Total bust.

You know what they call a guard that efficient in LA?

the visitors

Two monster games has his FG% up to 40.4%.

Congrats?

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Hey Gunz -- In the last two nights Oladipo has 36 points on 22 total shots. Total bust.

You know what they call a guard that efficient in LA?

the visitors

Two monster games has his FG% up to 40.4%.

Congrats?

You probably want to quietly let this one go.

Just saying.

 

[Premier]

Hey Gunz -- In the last two nights Oladipo has 36 points on 22 total shots. Total bust.

You know what they call a guard that efficient in LA?

the visitors

Two monster games has his FG% up to 40.4%.

Congrats?

You probably want to quietly let this one go.

Just saying.

I'm actually hoping he keeps it up.

 

[Kev4029]

I'm sure Asik would love to back up DeAndre Jordan next

He would be a huge upgrade over Jordan.

Lol

The Clippers are one of the best offensive teams in the NBA and a middling defense team. With Asik, there would be a very small drop off offensively, no change on the boards and a giant change defensively. I actually think this might be the best fit for Asik in the NBA.

 

[Abraham]

I'm sure Asik would love to back up DeAndre Jordan next

He would be a huge upgrade over Jordan.

Lol

The Clippers are one of the best offensive teams in the NBA and a middling defense team. With Asik, there would be a very small drop off offensively, no change on the boards and a giant change defensively. I actually think this might be the best fit for Asik in the NBA.

Well said. Crawford and a later 1 was floated on grantland.

 

[Zaxxon]

TLDR

 

[Abraham]

Good post gg. First time ever.

 

[No. 16]

GG you underestimate the value of Ryan Anderson. Aside from Dirk, Kevin Love, and Melo there probably isn't a better stretch 4.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

TLDR

Asik is

- Still very young, his next contract will likely cover his prime years and should avoid the beginning of his likely decline phase

- Proven to be durable ( no lingering injury history)

- On a mostly reasonable contract considering his positional value

- A top 5 defender - Will consistently change or alter how offenses attack the paint

- Trained and experienced in a proven defensive system ( Thibs in Chicago)

- Has some playoff/post season experience

- Does not force you to take a massive trade off in offense

- Can clear the glass through critical offensive rebounding

- Offers you some rudimentary low post offensive skill set

- Is a credible enough free throw shooter (( relatively, a big relatively here) to not be completely Hack A Shaq'ed/Howard'ed)

- Is not seen or perceived as "soft", he will bang it down low with anyone

- Has good footwork and a solid BB IQ

- No history of scandal or off the court troubles

Does Cliff Clavin really understand how difficult it is to find a player with this kind of combination? You could put JaVale McGee and DeAndre Jordan against this list ( both very well paid players) and you'd start to see how much Asik is worth.

I managed to read the point form portion of your ramblings... really wish I didn't. I'm not sure if you got anything right.

53% is a credible FT shooter? You do know Howard is 57% and Shaq was 52%, right? They abso-#######-lutely do Hack'a'Asik.

27 is not young. That is what should be his prime.

Having played what amounts to about 2 full seasons says nothing of his durability.

Asik is a black hole on offense. His career .535 eFG is HORRENDOUS for a 7 footer. He is one of the worst offensive players in the league. Low post skills

He was tied with Kendrick Perkins last year for blocks per game and behind Perkins in blocks per 48. KENDRICK PERKINS. Asik is absolutely not a shot blocker. Just ####### nonsense.

I've never seen someone spew so much crap in one post.

 

[Abraham]

TLDR

Asik is

- Still very young, his next contract will likely cover his prime years and should avoid the beginning of his likely decline phase

- Proven to be durable ( no lingering injury history)

- On a mostly reasonable contract considering his positional value

- A top 5 defender - Will consistently change or alter how offenses attack the paint

- Trained and experienced in a proven defensive system ( Thibs in Chicago)

- Has some playoff/post season experience

- Does not force you to take a massive trade off in offense

- Can clear the glass through critical offensive rebounding

- Offers you some rudimentary low post offensive skill set

- Is a credible enough free throw shooter (( relatively, a big relatively here) to not be completely Hack A Shaq'ed/Howard'ed)

- Is not seen or perceived as "soft", he will bang it down low with anyone

- Has good footwork and a solid BB IQ

- No history of scandal or off the court troubles

Does Cliff Clavin really understand how difficult it is to find a player with this kind of combination? You could put JaVale McGee and DeAndre Jordan against this list ( both very well paid players) and you'd start to see how much Asik is worth.

I managed to read the point form portion of your ramblings... really wish I didn't. I'm not sure if you got anything right.

53% is a credible FT shooter? You do know Howard is 57% and Shaq was 52%, right? They abso-#######-lutely do Hack'a'Asik.

27 is not young. That is what should be his prime.

Having played what amounts to about 2 full seasons says nothing of his durability.

Asik is a black hole on offense. His career .535 eFG is HORRENDOUS for a 7 footer. He is one of worst offensive players in the league. Low post skills

He was tied with Kendrick Perkins last year for blocks per game and behind Perkins in blocks per 48. KENDRICK PERKINS. Asik is absolutely not a shot blocker. Just ####### nonsense.



I've never seen someone spew so much crap in one post.

Don't be silly.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

TLDR

Asik is

- Still very young, his next contract will likely cover his prime years and should avoid the beginning of his likely decline phase

- Proven to be durable ( no lingering injury history)

- On a mostly reasonable contract considering his positional value

- A top 5 defender - Will consistently change or alter how offenses attack the paint

- Trained and experienced in a proven defensive system ( Thibs in Chicago)

- Has some playoff/post season experience

- Does not force you to take a massive trade off in offense

- Can clear the glass through critical offensive rebounding

- Offers you some rudimentary low post offensive skill set

- Is a credible enough free throw shooter (( relatively, a big relatively here) to not be completely Hack A Shaq'ed/Howard'ed)

- Is not seen or perceived as "soft", he will bang it down low with anyone

- Has good footwork and a solid BB IQ

- No history of scandal or off the court troubles

Does Cliff Clavin really understand how difficult it is to find a player with this kind of combination? You could put JaVale McGee and DeAndre Jordan against this list ( both very well paid players) and you'd start to see how much Asik is worth.

I managed to read the point form portion of your ramblings... really wish I didn't. I'm not sure if you got anything right.

53% is a credible FT shooter? You do know Howard is 57% and Shaq was 52%, right? They abso-#######-lutely do Hack'a'Asik.

27 is not young. That is what should be his prime.

Having played what amounts to about 2 full seasons says nothing of his durability.

Asik is a black hole on offense. His career .535 eFG is HORRENDOUS for a 7 footer. He is one of worst offensive players in the league. Low post skills

He was tied with Kendrick Perkins last year for blocks per game and behind Perkins in blocks per 48. KENDRICK PERKINS. Asik is absolutely not a shot blocker. Just ####### nonsense.



I've never seen someone spew so much crap in one post.

Don't be silly.

I haven't read his other posts so maybe he had more in one of those?

 

[simmonjm]

TLDR

Asik is

- Still very young, his next contract will likely cover his prime years and should avoid the beginning of his likely decline phase

- Proven to be durable ( no lingering injury history)

- On a mostly reasonable contract considering his positional value

- A top 5 defender - Will consistently change or alter how offenses attack the paint

- Trained and experienced in a proven defensive system ( Thibs in Chicago)

- Has some playoff/post season experience

- Does not force you to take a massive trade off in offense

- Can clear the glass through critical offensive rebounding

- Offers you some rudimentary low post offensive skill set

- Is a credible enough free throw shooter (( relatively, a big relatively here) to not be completely Hack A Shaq'ed/Howard'ed)

- Is not seen or perceived as "soft", he will bang it down low with anyone

- Has good footwork and a solid BB IQ

- No history of scandal or off the court troubles

Does Cliff Clavin really understand how difficult it is to find a player with this kind of combination? You could put JaVale McGee and DeAndre Jordan against this list ( both very well paid players) and you'd start to see how much Asik is worth.

I managed to read the point form portion of your ramblings... really wish I didn't. I'm not sure if you got anything right.

53% is a credible FT shooter? You do know Howard is 57% and Shaq was 52%, right? They abso-#######-lutely do Hack'a'Asik.

27 is not young. That is what should be his prime.

Having played what amounts to about 2 full seasons says nothing of his durability.

Asik is a black hole on offense. His career .535 eFG is HORRENDOUS for a 7 footer. He is one of worst offensive players in the league. Low post skills

He was tied with Kendrick Perkins last year for blocks per game and behind Perkins in blocks per 48. KENDRICK PERKINS. Asik is absolutely not a shot blocker. Just ####### nonsense.



I've never seen someone spew so much crap in one post.

Don't be silly.

I haven't read his other posts so maybe he had more in one of those?

I believe he was alluding to his Rocket trade posts

 

[Spartans Rule]

His career .535 eFG is HORRENDOUS for a 7 footer.

No it's not. Marc Gasol's career eFG is .518. Brook Lopez's is .510. Roy Hibbert's is .473.

I agree Asik is a horrible offensive player for a multitude of reasons, but that's not one of them. My personal favorite is that he somehow manages to turn the ball over at a point-guard-like rate of 2.5 times per 36 minutes despite having zero ball-handling responsibilities and only attempting 7.3 field goals per 36.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Omer Olajuwon

 

[Abraham]

TLDR

Asik is

- Still very young, his next contract will likely cover his prime years and should avoid the beginning of his likely decline phase

- Proven to be durable ( no lingering injury history)

- On a mostly reasonable contract considering his positional value

- A top 5 defender - Will consistently change or alter how offenses attack the paint

- Trained and experienced in a proven defensive system ( Thibs in Chicago)

- Has some playoff/post season experience

- Does not force you to take a massive trade off in offense

- Can clear the glass through critical offensive rebounding

- Offers you some rudimentary low post offensive skill set

- Is a credible enough free throw shooter (( relatively, a big relatively here) to not be completely Hack A Shaq'ed/Howard'ed)

- Is not seen or perceived as "soft", he will bang it down low with anyone

- Has good footwork and a solid BB IQ

- No history of scandal or off the court troubles

Does Cliff Clavin really understand how difficult it is to find a player with this kind of combination? You could put JaVale McGee and DeAndre Jordan against this list ( both very well paid players) and you'd start to see how much Asik is worth.

I managed to read the point form portion of your ramblings... really wish I didn't. I'm not sure if you got anything right.

53% is a credible FT shooter? You do know Howard is 57% and Shaq was 52%, right? They abso-#######-lutely do Hack'a'Asik.

27 is not young. That is what should be his prime.

Having played what amounts to about 2 full seasons says nothing of his durability.

Asik is a black hole on offense. His career .535 eFG is HORRENDOUS for a 7 footer. He is one of worst offensive players in the league. Low post skills

He was tied with Kendrick Perkins last year for blocks per game and behind Perkins in blocks per 48. KENDRICK PERKINS. Asik is absolutely not a shot blocker. Just ####### nonsense.



I've never seen someone spew so much crap in one post.

Don't be silly.

I haven't read his other posts so maybe he had more in one of those?

I believe he was alluding to his Rocket trade posts

 

[Cliff Clavin]

His career .535 eFG is HORRENDOUS for a 7 footer.

No it's not. Marc Gasol's career eFG is .518. Brook Lopez's is .510. Roy Hibbert's is .473.

I agree Asik is a horrible offensive player for a multitude of reasons, but that's not one of them. My personal favorite is that he somehow manages to turn the ball over at a point-guard-like rate of 2.5 times per 36 minutes despite having zero ball-handling responsibilities and only attempting 7.3 field goals per 36.

For a guy that doesn't venture more than 3 feet away from the rim, it is horrendous. About 90% of his shots are at the rim and he hit 60% last year. That is bad. Really bad.

You're right, on its own it isn't terrible. But it isn't good. Lopez, Hibbert and Gasol are not exactly elite scorers here either. Hibbert's efficiency was atrocious last year. Its also a case of usage. As FGA go up, efficiency typically goes down.

 

[sports_fan]

His career .535 eFG is HORRENDOUS for a 7 footer.

No it's not. Marc Gasol's career eFG is .518. Brook Lopez's is .510. Roy Hibbert's is .473.

I agree Asik is a horrible offensive player for a multitude of reasons, but that's not one of them. My personal favorite is that he somehow manages to turn the ball over at a point-guard-like rate of 2.5 times per 36 minutes despite having zero ball-handling responsibilities and only attempting 7.3 field goals per 36.

For a guy that doesn't venture more than 3 feet away from the rim, it is horrendous. About 90% of his shots are at the rim and he hit 60% last year. That is bad. Really bad.

You're right, on its own it isn't terrible. But it isn't good. Lopez, Hibbert and Gasol are not exactly elite scorers here either. Hibbert's efficiency was atrocious last year. Its also a case of usage. As FGA go up, efficiency typically goes down.

Damn you weren't kidding. He hasn't made a shot outside of 8ft yet this season.

http://i.imgur.com/07PodUG.png

 

[sports_fan]

lol kidd fined 50k for spilling his drink

 

[Cliff Clavin]

His career .535 eFG is HORRENDOUS for a 7 footer.

No it's not. Marc Gasol's career eFG is .518. Brook Lopez's is .510. Roy Hibbert's is .473.

I agree Asik is a horrible offensive player for a multitude of reasons, but that's not one of them. My personal favorite is that he somehow manages to turn the ball over at a point-guard-like rate of 2.5 times per 36 minutes despite having zero ball-handling responsibilities and only attempting 7.3 field goals per 36.

For a guy that doesn't venture more than 3 feet away from the rim, it is horrendous. About 90% of his shots are at the rim and he hit 60% last year. That is bad. Really bad.

You're right, on its own it isn't terrible. But it isn't good. Lopez, Hibbert and Gasol are not exactly elite scorers here either. Hibbert's efficiency was atrocious last year. Its also a case of usage. As FGA go up, efficiency typically goes down.

Damn you weren't kidding. He hasn't made a shot outside of 8ft yet this season.

http://i.imgur.com/07PodUG.png

Same as last year. 585 shots at the rim. 29 away from it. At least he understands his limitations unlike most players in the league.

 

[Zaxxon]

TLDR

^

That's probably because jack offs like you and Clavin are only looking at points, rebounds and assists to gauge the quality of NBA players.

I guess that's one approach. The other possible approach is that you feel the need to write a ####### dissertation every time you post. Brevity is your friend here, Human Filibuster. I have no problem with the quality of your posts, you simply tend to use a paralyzingly cumbersome amount of words to club your point to death.

 

[Raider Nation]

Is there anything Kidd can spill to make up a 21-point deficit?

 

[Spartans Rule]

Awesome basketball being played by the Pistons and Lakers here.

Pistons blow an eight-point lead in the last four minutes. Trailing by 3 with 16 seconds left, Jennings jacks up an awful 3 but gets bailed out by a Farmar foul. Jennings makes 1 of 3 free throws. Farmar gets fouled, goes 0 for 2. And now Stuckey shoots from about 15 feet and barely draws iron.

 

[Spartans Rule]

And then Josh Smith goes flying into the lane for the game-ending charge. God I hate the Pistons.

 

[Moe.]

The Thunder and the Warriors should play more often. Once a week at least.

 

[Abraham]

Terrence jones is starting to look like a legitimate power forward for Houston.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Well that was awesome..

ETA: Please be a 2. Want more.

ETA: Doh.

 

[Moe.]

Crazy stuff. We can only hope for a playoff series between these two.

 

[Abraham]

What a game.

 

[thecatch]

Derrick Williams with 3 assists already. Clearly the man was holding him down in minny.

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

Is Kidd even going to make it 30 games in NJ?

Just brutal. I didn't expect much from them (contending) given all but one of the key players are past their prime, but didn't foresee them missing the playoffs entirely.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Is Kidd even going to make it 30 games in NJ?

Just brutal. I didn't expect much from them (contending) given all but one of the key players are past their prime, but didn't foresee them missing the playoffs entirely.

Just a bizarre hire for a team built to win now.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/24301716/video-lady-gets-hit-in-the-head-by-the-ball-at-bobcats-game

 

[thecatch]

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/24301716/video-lady-gets-hit-in-the-head-by-the-ball-at-bobcats-game

Gerald Henderson: "I'm not that good of a passer...I AM SO SORRY." Bobcats basketball!

 

[SoBeDad]

As expected, the Heat is playing efficient basketball and the big three are in the top 20 in PER: James at 30.5 (#1), Wade after a slow start at 21.5 (#19) and Michael Beasley at 22.1 (#16). Apparently, Beasley is doing more catch and shoot and passing than before, although he's still under half an assist per 16 minutes. I don't think he'll even be the building block for a team, but he is giving Spolstra more offense off the bench. He will allow Wade and James to play less minutes. The big question is whether he'll help the Heat against Indiana and teams from the West. The Heat is also preparing Greg Oden as a secret weapon against Roy Hibbert in the playoffs, maybe 10 mpg.

 

[Major]

Terrence jones is starting to look like a legitimate power forward for Houston.

He's been looking good for a while now. Maybe, the Rockets won't do that Asik+Lin for Love trade.

 

[TxBuckeye]

Spurs proving their early record was a mirage. Beating up on the bottom feeders. Now that they have to play a couple real squads, drop two straight.

 

[SoBeDad]

Spurs proving their early record was a mirage. Beating up on the bottom feeders. Now that they have to play a couple real squads, drop two straight.

Only the Heat can win a game getting out-rebounded by 20. The Spurs are very efficient, like the Heat, but at least Miami gets to the FT line.

 

[Abraham]

Spurs proving their early record was a mirage. Beating up on the bottom feeders. Now that they have to play a couple real squads, drop two straight.

So Nba teams don't win every game? Who knew....