*NBA THREAD* Abe will be missed (5 Viewers)

[Ghost Rider]

This is one of those typical NBA playoff games where the game was called in a way that made it way more likely for the NBA to get their desired result (meaning they get a Game 6, which means lots more $$$ for everyone). No, this is not me saying it was rigged, but it was obvious that Miami had to overcome the Pacers AND LeBron having to sit for literally half of the game because of foul trouble (fouls that are never called 99.999% of the time, especially on him). It was sad, but par for the course for the NBA. I watch these playoffs knowing that games like this will happen.

 

[tjnc09]

I'm sure Miami will win game 6 by 30. NBA doesn't care, another game, more millions for their pockets

There was no way Miami was going to be allowed to win this game.

So you guys put everything you own on Indiana tonight?

Not even remotely close to what I said

 

[Premier]

Miami -15 in game 6.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Heat fans whining about foul calls has to be one of the funniest things to ever happen in this thread.

I guess when you're used to the Lebron Treatment, it is a gigantic shock when a few calls go against you:

During a rather prolific period last season, James once went 250 consecutive minutes without being called for a foul. During a two-week stretch in 2009, he was called for a total of three fouls in nine games, including five consecutive games without drawing a whistle. A full week of NBA basketball without a single foul.

I bet you guys think that's all perfectly normal and legit though, right?

 

[Premier]

Heat fans whining about foul calls has to be one of the funniest things to ever happen in this thread.

We are truly blessed.

 

[Premier]

I'm sure Miami will win game 6 by 30. NBA doesn't care, another game, more millions for their pockets

There was no way Miami was going to be allowed to win this game.

The NBA is a billion dollar business that operates mainly off of the public trust that its games are on the up and up. They aren't going to risk tens of billions of dollars to make a few extra million on one game.

You guys are complete idiots if you think the league office is rigging these games.

 

[Todem]

Heat fans whining about foul calls has to be one of the funniest things to ever happen in this thread.

I guess when you're used to the Lebron Treatment, it is a gigantic shock when a few calls go against you:

During a rather prolific period last season, James once went 250 consecutive minutes without being called for a foul. During a two-week stretch in 2009, he was called for a total of three fouls in nine games, including five consecutive games without drawing a whistle. A full week of NBA basketball without a single foul.

I bet you guys think that's all perfectly normal and legit though, right?

I rarely complain about NBA refs....it's par for the course with some of the most ridiculous fouls I see called around the league. But last night was incredible.

It took that kind of schlock to keep the game close. Now, the Heat did not help themselves with some careless passes and some really bad possessions. But despite all that they had a shot to win it in the end. I am not a blind homer. They lost, they could have won, but they did not do enough in the end.

So The Heat did not lose because of the officiating, but don't sit there and say you see 3 of those 5 fouls called on any high end player in the league. It was blatant insanity last night.

Your's and Premier's obvious disdain and hate for The Heat is also quite amusing and laughable. It blurs your vision as well when things going on are off, but since it went against The Heat...it must be ok. And anyone with common sense that expresses some concern that what went on last night was pretty crappy...well you get the point.

Get a grip, see beyond the hate and admit last night was moronic in how they clearly called half those fouls on James. Seriously it was a comedy show.

@Tim

What are you smoking...nervous? LMFAO. The Pacers are going to get run off the court tomorrow night in epic fashion.

 

[Premier]

I don't hate the Heat. I hate their halfwit bandwagon fans who didn't know the team existed prior to 2011.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Heat fans whining about foul calls has to be one of the funniest things to ever happen in this thread.

I guess when you're used to the Lebron Treatment, it is a gigantic shock when a few calls go against you:

During a rather prolific period last season, James once went 250 consecutive minutes without being called for a foul. During a two-week stretch in 2009, he was called for a total of three fouls in nine games, including five consecutive games without drawing a whistle. A full week of NBA basketball without a single foul.

I bet you guys think that's all perfectly normal and legit though, right?

I rarely complain about NBA refs....it's par for the course with some of the most ridiculous fouls I see called around the league. But last night was incredible.It took that kind of schlock to keep the game close. Now, the Heat did not help themselves with some careless passes and some really bad possessions. But despite all that they had a shot to win it in the end. I am not a blind homer. They lost, they could have won, but they did not do enough in the end.

So The Heat did not lose because of the officiating, but don't sit there and say you see 3 of those 5 fouls called on any high end player in the league. It was blatant insanity last night.

Your's and Premier's obvious disdain and hate for The Heat is also quite amusing and laughable. It blurs your vision as well when things going on are off, but since it went against The Heat...it must be ok. And anyone with common sense that expresses some concern that what went on last night was pretty crappy...well you get the point.

Get a grip, see beyond the hate and admit last night was moronic in how they clearly called half those fouls on James. Seriously it was a comedy show.

@Tim

What are you smoking...nervous? LMFAO. The Pacers are going to get run off the court tomorrow night in epic fashion.

I agree some of the calls were bad, but there have already been multiple laughable calls against Hibbert, Stephenson and West as well.

Of course, there were also 2 or 3 times where James blatantly shoved Stephenson to break towards the ball in the last 5 minutes with no call on any of them.

And for all the whining about the lack of free throws for the Heat that I'm seeing around the web, the disparity in game 5 was less than it was in game 4.

Every time there's a call against playoff opponents, Heat fans and announcers are so quick to say "well, those calls even out." The truth is that they typically don't even out when the Heat are involved. They enjoy quite an edge in free throws over their opponents over the last few year. But it happens one time in one game and suddenly what's good for the goose isn't what's good for the gander.

 

[Insein]

I'm sure Miami will win game 6 by 30. NBA doesn't care, another game, more millions for their pockets

There was no way Miami was going to be allowed to win this game.

The NBA is a billion dollar business that operates mainly off of the public trust that its games are on the up and up. They aren't going to risk tens of billions of dollars to make a few extra million on one game. You guys are complete idiots if you think the league office is rigging these games.

You dont have to rig games. You can tell your refs to call fouls tighter without letting them know of a conspiracy.

 

[matuski]

Heat fans whining about foul calls has to be one of the funniest things to ever happen in this thread.

I guess when you're used to the Lebron Treatment, it is a gigantic shock when a few calls go against you:

During a rather prolific period last season, James once went 250 consecutive minutes without being called for a foul. During a two-week stretch in 2009, he was called for a total of three fouls in nine games, including five consecutive games without drawing a whistle. A full week of NBA basketball without a single foul.

I bet you guys think that's all perfectly normal and legit though, right?

I rarely complain about NBA refs....it's par for the course with some of the most ridiculous fouls I see called around the league. But last night was incredible.

It took that kind of schlock to keep the game close. Now, the Heat did not help themselves with some careless passes and some really bad possessions. But despite all that they had a shot to win it in the end. I am not a blind homer. They lost, they could have won, but they did not do enough in the end.

So The Heat did not lose because of the officiating, but don't sit there and say you see 3 of those 5 fouls called on any high end player in the league. It was blatant insanity last night.

Your's and Premier's obvious disdain and hate for The Heat is also quite amusing and laughable. It blurs your vision as well when things going on are off, but since it went against The Heat...it must be ok. And anyone with common sense that expresses some concern that what went on last night was pretty crappy...well you get the point.

Get a grip, see beyond the hate and admit last night was moronic in how they clearly called half those fouls on James. Seriously it was a comedy show.

@Tim

What are you smoking...nervous? LMFAO. The Pacers are going to get run off the court tomorrow night in epic fashion.

I didn't see anything last night that I don't see in every NBA game. Bad calls happen every game to every team, to claim they were singling out your team or your player on a given night is being a tad dishonest with yourself.

 

[Premier]

I'm sure Miami will win game 6 by 30. NBA doesn't care, another game, more millions for their pockets

There was no way Miami was going to be allowed to win this game.

The NBA is a billion dollar business that operates mainly off of the public trust that its games are on the up and up. They aren't going to risk tens of billions of dollars to make a few extra million on one game. You guys are complete idiots if you think the league office is rigging these games.

You dont have to rig games. You can tell your refs to call fouls tighter without letting them know of a conspiracy.

The Heat had less fouls called on them last night then in game 1. Almost the same amount as game 3.

They had 8 more fouls called on them than Indiana last night. Indiana had 10 more called on them in game 4. CONSPIRACY

 

[JMon348]

Fun game making the rounds on social media the last couple of days.

You have $15 to spend to make your starting 5:

PG
Magic Johnson - $5
Oscar Robertson - $4
Isiah Thomas - $3
John Stockton - $2
Walt Frazier - $1

SG
Michael Jordan - $5
Kobe Bryant - $4
Jerry West - $3
Clyde Drexler - $2
Dwayne Wade - $1

SF
LeBron James - $5
Larry Bird - $4
Julius Erving - $3
Kevin Durant - $2
Scottie Pippen - $1

PF
Karl Malone - $5
Charles Barkley - $4
Tim Duncan - $3
Dirk Nowitzki - $2
Kevin Garnett - $1

C
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar - $5
Bill Russell - $4
Wilt Chamberlain - $3
Shaquille O'Neal - $2
Hakeem Olajuwon - $1

 

[Jayrod]

I just thought it was masterful the way the NBA made sure Bosh's 3-pointer didn't go in.

Even more impressive was making sure all of George's tough shots went in.

 

[Abraham]

Fun game making the rounds on social media the last couple of days.

You have $15 to spend to make your starting 5:

PG

Magic Johnson - $5

Oscar Robertson - $4

Isiah Thomas - $3

John Stockton - $2

Walt Frazier - $1

SG

Michael Jordan - $5

Kobe Bryant - $4

Jerry West - $3

Clyde Drexler - $2

Dwayne Wade - $1

SF

LeBron James - $5

Larry Bird - $4

Julius Erving - $3

Kevin Durant - $2

Scottie Pippen - $1

PF

Karl Malone - $5

Charles Barkley - $4

Tim Duncan - $3

Dirk Nowitzki - $2

Kevin Garnett - $1

C

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar - $5

Bill Russell - $4

Wilt Chamberlain - $3

Shaquille O'Neal - $2

Hakeem Olajuwon - $1

So there is no chance I go over 15$? Neat game.

 

[TobiasFunke]

I'm sure Miami will win game 6 by 30. NBA doesn't care, another game, more millions for their pockets

There was no way Miami was going to be allowed to win this game.

So you guys put everything you own on Indiana tonight?

1.5 point home dogs with the entire world trashing them? Couldn't get my money down fast enough.

 

[pollardsvision]

So, where do you guys think the bidding stops with Lance?

A lot seem to think he'll be approaching the max and end up costing something like what Hayward is looking for in the 4/50 range.

But I'm not sure why Lance's knucklehead discount wouldn't drop him down to the range that Monta/Jennings got last year (3/26ish). 3/4ths of the teams probably won't be bidding for cap space/roster issues. Another handful of the remaining probably just don't want him. The rumored teams so far (though I'm sure more are to come) are CHI and CHA, but it's hard to see either of them not wanting a fairly significant knucklehead discount.

 

[Abraham]

Chicago has the right guys to keep him in line Charlotte does not. How about philly?

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

So there is no chance I go over 15$? Neat game.

Solid math skills here.

 

[Jayrod]

Fun game making the rounds on social media the last couple of days.

You have $15 to spend to make your starting 5:

PG

Magic Johnson - $5

Oscar Robertson - $4

Isiah Thomas - $3

John Stockton - $2

Walt Frazier - $1

SG

Michael Jordan - $5

Kobe Bryant - $4

Jerry West - $3

Clyde Drexler - $2

Dwayne Wade - $1

SF

LeBron James - $5

Larry Bird - $4

Julius Erving - $3

Kevin Durant - $2

Scottie Pippen - $1

PF

Karl Malone - $5

Charles Barkley - $4

Tim Duncan - $3

Dirk Nowitzki - $2

Kevin Garnett - $1

C

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar - $5

Bill Russell - $4

Wilt Chamberlain - $3

Shaquille O'Neal - $2

Hakeem Olajuwon - $1

I only want to spend $14. Stockton

Jordan

LeBron

Garnett

Olajuwon

I don't want guys that will take shots from MJ and can play great defense.

I suppose Shaq could be used over Hakeem, but I love the mobility and shot blocking tandem of KG & Hakeem. I also don't like Isaiah over Stockton for this squad as he was more of a scoring PG. Would love to have Magic, but he is not worth $3 more.

 

[Juxtatarot]

So, where do you guys think the bidding stops with Lance?A lot seem to think he'll be approaching the max and end up costing something like what Hayward is looking for in the 4/50 range.But I'm not sure why Lance's knucklehead discount wouldn't drop him down to the range that Monta/Jennings got last year (3/26ish). 3/4ths of the teams probably won't be bidding for cap space/roster issues. Another handful of the remaining probably just don't want him. The rumored teams so far (though I'm sure more are to come) are CHI and CHA, but it's hard to see either of them not wanting a fairly significant knucklehead discount.

I don't buy the Bulls rumors. FO will see him as too much of a risk and will pass. Hard to predict how much he'll make, though.

 

[Abraham]

The Game is more fun with a 10 cap.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Fun game making the rounds on social media the last couple of days.

You have $15 to spend to make your starting 5:

PG

Magic Johnson - $5

Oscar Robertson - $4

Isiah Thomas - $3

John Stockton - $2

Walt Frazier - $1

SG

Michael Jordan - $5

Kobe Bryant - $4

Jerry West - $3

Clyde Drexler - $2

Dwayne Wade - $1

SF

LeBron James - $5

Larry Bird - $4

Julius Erving - $3

Kevin Durant - $2

Scottie Pippen - $1

PF

Karl Malone - $5

Charles Barkley - $4

Tim Duncan - $3

Dirk Nowitzki - $2

Kevin Garnett - $1

C

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar - $5

Bill Russell - $4

Wilt Chamberlain - $3

Shaquille O'Neal - $2

Hakeem Olajuwon - $1

So there is no chance I go over 15$? Neat game.

What in the world are you talking about?

 

[Abraham]

I'm still hungover. Carry on.

 

[JMon348]

Magic $5

Kobe $4

Pippen $1

Duncan $3

Shaq $2

 

[Juxtatarot]

Fun game making the rounds on social media the last couple of days.

You have $15 to spend to make your starting 5:

PGMagic Johnson - $5Oscar Robertson - $4Isiah Thomas - $3John Stockton - $2Walt Frazier - $1SGMichael Jordan - $5Kobe Bryant - $4Jerry West - $3Clyde Drexler - $2Dwayne Wade - $1SFLeBron James - $5Larry Bird - $4Julius Erving - $3Kevin Durant - $2Scottie Pippen - $1PFKarl Malone - $5Charles Barkley - $4Tim Duncan - $3Dirk Nowitzki - $2Kevin Garnett - $1CKareem Abdul-Jabbar - $5Bill Russell - $4Wilt Chamberlain - $3Shaquille O'Neal - $2Hakeem Olajuwon - $1

I only want to spend $14. Stockton

Jordan

LeBron

Garnett

Olajuwon

I don't want guys that will take shots from MJ and can play great defense.

I suppose Shaq could be used over Hakeem, but I love the mobility and shot blocking tandem of KG & Hakeem. I also don't like Isaiah over Stockton for this squad as he was more of a scoring PG. Would love to have Magic, but he is not worth $3 more.

Garnett for $1 is the the most obvious choice here. Plenty of offense at the other positions.

 

[Premier]

Stockton/Jordan/Lebron/Garnett/Hakeem or Shaq

Fun but kind of easy.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Lebron is so weird man. Two times he has a try at a layup or free throws and he passes it to a covered man in the corner.

You don't honestly think he's getting a call in that spot, do you?

If hes hacked why not? At least try the layup. That pass to the corner is weak.

A clean look at a corner 3 to win is better than a drive to the basket to tie in that situation all day. It's not even close. A drive to the basket gives you, at best, maybe a 50% chance to tie, which is basically a 25% chance to win. A clean look at a corner 3 is a 40% chance to win.

The ability to make those clearly correct decisions in a split-second is a big part of what makes LeBron James so good and why the Heat have been to the Finals three straight years and won two. You don't piss that away to satisfy some part-time basketball fans on the internet.

 

[Abraham]

Hakeem for a dollar makes it easy to fill a good team out.

 

[pollardsvision]

So, where do you guys think the bidding stops with Lance?A lot seem to think he'll be approaching the max and end up costing something like what Hayward is looking for in the 4/50 range.But I'm not sure why Lance's knucklehead discount wouldn't drop him down to the range that Monta/Jennings got last year (3/26ish). 3/4ths of the teams probably won't be bidding for cap space/roster issues. Another handful of the remaining probably just don't want him. The rumored teams so far (though I'm sure more are to come) are CHI and CHA, but it's hard to see either of them not wanting a fairly significant knucklehead discount.

I don't buy the Bulls rumors. FO will see him as too much of a risk and will pass. Hard to predict how much he'll make, though.

It really is tough to figure out.

Right now, of the only 2 teams rumored, both have an anti-knucklehead vibe.

I'm trying to figure out if I'm crazy to think CHA could lay down a take it or leave it 3/24 or 4/30 (the Afflalo from deal back when players were getting bigger contracts) and somehow come away with him.

Maybe that's a pipedream, but if somebody's going to blow him away with an offer, I'm not seeing it yet.

 

[Juxtatarot]

If I only had $10 I'd go with the team of Stockton, Jordan, Pippen, Garnett, Hakeem

 

[TobiasFunke]

No mention of the Doug Collins Birdman line here yet? That was one of the funniest things I've ever seen while watching sports. I just about fell off the couch. Jalen just about fell out off his stool.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Fun game making the rounds on social media the last couple of days.

You have $15 to spend to make your starting 5:

PG

Magic Johnson - $5

Oscar Robertson - $4

Isiah Thomas - $3

John Stockton - $2

Walt Frazier - $1

SG

Michael Jordan - $5

Kobe Bryant - $4

Jerry West - $3

Clyde Drexler - $2

Dwayne Wade - $1

SF

LeBron James - $5

Larry Bird - $4

Julius Erving - $3

Kevin Durant - $2

Scottie Pippen - $1

PF

Karl Malone - $5

Charles Barkley - $4

Tim Duncan - $3

Dirk Nowitzki - $2

Kevin Garnett - $1

C

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar - $5

Bill Russell - $4

Wilt Chamberlain - $3

Shaquille O'Neal - $2

Hakeem Olajuwon - $1

MagicJordan

Pippen

Duncan

Dream

 

[tommy300]

Stockton, Jordan, Pippen, Duncan, Russell.

I think Stockton/Jordan is the no-brainer backcourt. I agree that KG/Hakeem each for a buck are steals, so my back-up squad would be James with KG/Hakeem.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Lebron is so weird man. Two times he has a try at a layup or free throws and he passes it to a covered man in the corner.

You don't honestly think he's getting a call in that spot, do you?

If hes hacked why not? At least try the layup. That pass to the corner is weak.

A clean look at a corner 3 to win is better than a drive to the basket to tie in that situation all day. It's not even close. A drive to the basket gives you, at best, maybe a 50% chance to tie, which is basically a 25% chance to win. A clean look at a corner 3 is a 40% chance to win.

The ability to make those clearly correct decisions in a split-second is a big part of what makes LeBron James so good and why the Heat have been to the Finals three straight years and won two. You don't piss that away to satisfy some part-time basketball fans on the internet.

Bosh is over 50% (11 for 20) on corner 3's in the playoffs and 35% on the season. You take that play every single time.

 

[Abraham]

Yup. Bosh is good from the corner. It just didn't go in.

 

[Insein]

Lebron is so weird man. Two times he has a try at a layup or free throws and he passes it to a covered man in the corner.

You don't honestly think he's getting a call in that spot, do you?

If hes hacked why not? At least try the layup. That pass to the corner is weak.

A clean look at a corner 3 to win is better than a drive to the basket to tie in that situation all day. It's not even close. A drive to the basket gives you, at best, maybe a 50% chance to tie, which is basically a 25% chance to win. A clean look at a corner 3 is a 40% chance to win.

The ability to make those clearly correct decisions in a split-second is a big part of what makes LeBron James so good and why the Heat have been to the Finals three straight years and won two. You don't piss that away to satisfy some part-time basketball fans on the internet.

It wasnt a clean look. It was contested as shown by the resulting clank.

 

[thecatch]

Stockton/Jordan/Lebron/Garnett/Hakeem or Shaq

Fun but kind of easy.

Too easy.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Lebron is so weird man. Two times he has a try at a layup or free throws and he passes it to a covered man in the corner.

You don't honestly think he's getting a call in that spot, do you?

If hes hacked why not? At least try the layup. That pass to the corner is weak.

A clean look at a corner 3 to win is better than a drive to the basket to tie in that situation all day. It's not even close. A drive to the basket gives you, at best, maybe a 50% chance to tie, which is basically a 25% chance to win. A clean look at a corner 3 is a 40% chance to win.

The ability to make those clearly correct decisions in a split-second is a big part of what makes LeBron James so good and why the Heat have been to the Finals three straight years and won two. You don't piss that away to satisfy some part-time basketball fans on the internet.

It wasnt a clean look. It was contested as shown by the resulting clank.

Every shot that misses isn't a clean look? He got it off in a normal shooting motion without having to rush or otherwise adjust. That's a clean look. You'd expect Chris Bosh, who shoots over 35% from behind the arc, to make that about 40% of the time given the shorter length from the corner.

It was the right play by a mile, and if the situation comes up again LeBron will make it again. He does it all the time throughout every game because a clean corner 3 is the best shot on the floor, even without the added incentive of being down 2 on the road and in foul trouble (which makes overtime a less than enticing proposition even if you manage to force a tie instead of going for the win). If it comes up again he'll do it again. If he doesn't, he made the wrong play. Easy call.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

Fun game making the rounds on social media the last couple of days.

You have $15 to spend to make your starting 5:

PG

Magic Johnson - $5

Oscar Robertson - $4

Isiah Thomas - $3

John Stockton - $2

Walt Frazier - $1

SG

Michael Jordan - $5

Kobe Bryant - $4

Jerry West - $3

Clyde Drexler - $2

Dwayne Wade - $1

SF

LeBron James - $5

Larry Bird - $4

Julius Erving - $3

Kevin Durant - $2

Scottie Pippen - $1

PF

Karl Malone - $5

Charles Barkley - $4

Tim Duncan - $3

Dirk Nowitzki - $2

Kevin Garnett - $1

C

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar - $5

Bill Russell - $4

Wilt Chamberlain - $3

Shaquille O'Neal - $2

Hakeem Olajuwon - $1

Magic, Michael, Lebron. They'll beat any 5.

 

[BassNBrew]

Lebron is so weird man. Two times he has a try at a layup or free throws and he passes it to a covered man in the corner.

You don't honestly think he's getting a call in that spot, do you?

If hes hacked why not? At least try the layup. That pass to the corner is weak.

A clean look at a corner 3 to win is better than a drive to the basket to tie in that situation all day. It's not even close. A drive to the basket gives you, at best, maybe a 50% chance to tie, which is basically a 25% chance to win. A clean look at a corner 3 is a 40% chance to win.

The ability to make those clearly correct decisions in a split-second is a big part of what makes LeBron James so good and why the Heat have been to the Finals three straight years and won two. You don't piss that away to satisfy some part-time basketball fans on the internet.

It wasnt a clean look. It was contested as shown by the resulting clank.

Every shot that misses isn't a clean look? He got it off in a normal shooting motion without having to rush or otherwise adjust. That's a clean look. You'd expect Chris Bosh, who shoots over 35% from behind the arc, to make that about 40% of the time given the shorter length from the corner.

It was the right play by a mile, and if the situation comes up again LeBron will make it again. He does it all the time throughout every game because a clean corner 3 is the best shot on the floor, even without the added incentive of being down 2 on the road and in foul trouble (which makes overtime a less than enticing proposition even if you manage to force a tie instead of going for the win). If it comes up again he'll do it again. If he doesn't, he made the wrong play. Easy call.

Disagree strongly. I think James converts the 2 pointer at roughly a 75% clip.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Lebron is so weird man. Two times he has a try at a layup or free throws and he passes it to a covered man in the corner.

You don't honestly think he's getting a call in that spot, do you?

If hes hacked why not? At least try the layup. That pass to the corner is weak.

A clean look at a corner 3 to win is better than a drive to the basket to tie in that situation all day. It's not even close. A drive to the basket gives you, at best, maybe a 50% chance to tie, which is basically a 25% chance to win. A clean look at a corner 3 is a 40% chance to win.

The ability to make those clearly correct decisions in a split-second is a big part of what makes LeBron James so good and why the Heat have been to the Finals three straight years and won two. You don't piss that away to satisfy some part-time basketball fans on the internet.

It wasnt a clean look. It was contested as shown by the resulting clank.

Every shot that misses isn't a clean look? He got it off in a normal shooting motion without having to rush or otherwise adjust. That's a clean look. You'd expect Chris Bosh, who shoots over 35% from behind the arc, to make that about 40% of the time given the shorter length from the corner.

It was the right play by a mile, and if the situation comes up again LeBron will make it again. He does it all the time throughout every game because a clean corner 3 is the best shot on the floor, even without the added incentive of being down 2 on the road and in foul trouble (which makes overtime a less than enticing proposition even if you manage to force a tie instead of going for the win). If it comes up again he'll do it again. If he doesn't, he made the wrong play. Easy call.

Disagree strongly. I think James converts the 2 pointer at roughly a 75% clip.

Normally he does. With Hibbert in great position to contest? Probably not. Watch the replay again. I'd guess he makes that about the same rate that Bosh makes the open corner 3. And that only ties the game and still gives Indy the final shot to win with about 4-5 seconds left or the game goes to OT.

ETA: Image of Hibbert's value on defence at the rim.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Lebron is so weird man. Two times he has a try at a layup or free throws and he passes it to a covered man in the corner.

You don't honestly think he's getting a call in that spot, do you?

If hes hacked why not? At least try the layup. That pass to the corner is weak.

A clean look at a corner 3 to win is better than a drive to the basket to tie in that situation all day. It's not even close. A drive to the basket gives you, at best, maybe a 50% chance to tie, which is basically a 25% chance to win. A clean look at a corner 3 is a 40% chance to win.

The ability to make those clearly correct decisions in a split-second is a big part of what makes LeBron James so good and why the Heat have been to the Finals three straight years and won two. You don't piss that away to satisfy some part-time basketball fans on the internet.

It wasnt a clean look. It was contested as shown by the resulting clank.

Every shot that misses isn't a clean look? He got it off in a normal shooting motion without having to rush or otherwise adjust. That's a clean look. You'd expect Chris Bosh, who shoots over 35% from behind the arc, to make that about 40% of the time given the shorter length from the corner.

It was the right play by a mile, and if the situation comes up again LeBron will make it again. He does it all the time throughout every game because a clean corner 3 is the best shot on the floor, even without the added incentive of being down 2 on the road and in foul trouble (which makes overtime a less than enticing proposition even if you manage to force a tie instead of going for the win). If it comes up again he'll do it again. If he doesn't, he made the wrong play. Easy call.

Disagree strongly. I think James converts the 2 pointer at roughly a 75% clip.

Normally he does. With Hibbert in great position to contest? Probably not. Watch the replay again. I'd guess he makes that about the same rate that Bosh makes the open corner 3. And that only ties the game and still gives Indy the final shot to win with about 4-5 seconds left or the game goes to OT.

Yup. They had it well defended. George steered him straight into Hibbert.

It's really hard to get a decent read on James' chances there because shooting percentages around the basket are skewed by easy putbacks and alley-oops and whatnot. But there's no way James converts at 75% on drives to the basket normally, let alone with Hibbert in good position. If he did the Heat would run an iso for him and let him drive to the hoop every play, they'd score 1.5 points per possession, and they'd be the greatest offense the sport had ever seen.

 

[TobiasFunke]

What should really convince you that it was the right play is that even if LeBron does convert at 75% there, which seems impossible, it still might not have been the better play. That translates to a 37.5% chance to win if you assume the teams are even in OT. I don't have Bosh's right corner 3 numbers but I assume he's at least at 37.5% considering he shoots over 35% from all spots beyond the arc and that's his favorite spot.

Plus you have to adjust for the fact that the Pacers were at home and LeBron had 5 fouls, both of which reduce the Heat's chances in OT. And adjust for the couple extra seconds the three took off the clock, making a Pacers last possession miracle that much harder if the Heat had scored.

 

[BassNBrew]

Lebron is so weird man. Two times he has a try at a layup or free throws and he passes it to a covered man in the corner.

You don't honestly think he's getting a call in that spot, do you?

If hes hacked why not? At least try the layup. That pass to the corner is weak.

A clean look at a corner 3 to win is better than a drive to the basket to tie in that situation all day. It's not even close. A drive to the basket gives you, at best, maybe a 50% chance to tie, which is basically a 25% chance to win. A clean look at a corner 3 is a 40% chance to win.

The ability to make those clearly correct decisions in a split-second is a big part of what makes LeBron James so good and why the Heat have been to the Finals three straight years and won two. You don't piss that away to satisfy some part-time basketball fans on the internet.

It wasnt a clean look. It was contested as shown by the resulting clank.

Every shot that misses isn't a clean look? He got it off in a normal shooting motion without having to rush or otherwise adjust. That's a clean look. You'd expect Chris Bosh, who shoots over 35% from behind the arc, to make that about 40% of the time given the shorter length from the corner.

It was the right play by a mile, and if the situation comes up again LeBron will make it again. He does it all the time throughout every game because a clean corner 3 is the best shot on the floor, even without the added incentive of being down 2 on the road and in foul trouble (which makes overtime a less than enticing proposition even if you manage to force a tie instead of going for the win). If it comes up again he'll do it again. If he doesn't, he made the wrong play. Easy call.

Disagree strongly. I think James converts the 2 pointer at roughly a 75% clip.

Normally he does. With Hibbert in great position to contest? Probably not. Watch the replay again. I'd guess he makes that about the same rate that Bosh makes the open corner 3. And that only ties the game and still gives Indy the final shot to win with about 4-5 seconds left or the game goes to OT.

Yup. They had it well defended. George steered him straight into Hibbert.

It's really hard to get a decent read on James' chances there because shooting percentages around the basket are skewed by easy putbacks and alley-oops and whatnot. But there's no way James converts at 75% on drives to the basket normally, let alone with Hibbert in good position. If he did the Heat would run an iso for him and let him drive to the hoop every play, they'd score 1.5 points per possession, and they'd be the greatest offense the sport had ever seen.

Actually the research I did shows that he does, but that does drop off significantly in the last 5 minutes of games. Obviously if he did this every play defenses would adapt plus he'd get pummeled to the point he'd become ineffective or injured.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Lebron is so weird man. Two times he has a try at a layup or free throws and he passes it to a covered man in the corner.

You don't honestly think he's getting a call in that spot, do you?

If hes hacked why not? At least try the layup. That pass to the corner is weak.

A clean look at a corner 3 to win is better than a drive to the basket to tie in that situation all day. It's not even close. A drive to the basket gives you, at best, maybe a 50% chance to tie, which is basically a 25% chance to win. A clean look at a corner 3 is a 40% chance to win.

The ability to make those clearly correct decisions in a split-second is a big part of what makes LeBron James so good and why the Heat have been to the Finals three straight years and won two. You don't piss that away to satisfy some part-time basketball fans on the internet.

It wasnt a clean look. It was contested as shown by the resulting clank.

Every shot that misses isn't a clean look? He got it off in a normal shooting motion without having to rush or otherwise adjust. That's a clean look. You'd expect Chris Bosh, who shoots over 35% from behind the arc, to make that about 40% of the time given the shorter length from the corner.

It was the right play by a mile, and if the situation comes up again LeBron will make it again. He does it all the time throughout every game because a clean corner 3 is the best shot on the floor, even without the added incentive of being down 2 on the road and in foul trouble (which makes overtime a less than enticing proposition even if you manage to force a tie instead of going for the win). If it comes up again he'll do it again. If he doesn't, he made the wrong play. Easy call.

Disagree strongly. I think James converts the 2 pointer at roughly a 75% clip.

Normally he does. With Hibbert in great position to contest? Probably not. Watch the replay again. I'd guess he makes that about the same rate that Bosh makes the open corner 3. And that only ties the game and still gives Indy the final shot to win with about 4-5 seconds left or the game goes to OT.

Yup. They had it well defended. George steered him straight into Hibbert.

It's really hard to get a decent read on James' chances there because shooting percentages around the basket are skewed by easy putbacks and alley-oops and whatnot. But there's no way James converts at 75% on drives to the basket normally, let alone with Hibbert in good position. If he did the Heat would run an iso for him and let him drive to the hoop every play, they'd score 1.5 points per possession, and they'd be the greatest offense the sport had ever seen.

Actually the research I did shows that he does, but that does drop off significantly in the last 5 minutes of games. Obviously if he did this every play defenses would adapt plus he'd get pummeled to the point he'd become ineffective or injured.

I'd love see this. Sounds interesting.

Although in this case it's kind of irrelevant, since the defense did adapt, as shown by the fact that Hibbert expected it and helped early and LeBron ran straight into Hibbert's chest.

 

[Buck Bradcanon]

I'm sure Miami will win game 6 by 30. NBA doesn't care, another game, more millions for their pockets

There was no way Miami was going to be allowed to win this game.

The NBA is a billion dollar business that operates mainly off of the public trust that its games are on the up and up. They aren't going to risk tens of billions of dollars to make a few extra million on one game.

You guys are complete idiots if you think the league office is rigging these games.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

What should really convince you that it was the right play is that even if LeBron does convert at 75% there, which seems impossible, it still might not have been the better play. That translates to a 37.5% chance to win if you assume the teams are even in OT. I don't have Bosh's right corner 3 numbers but I assume he's at least at 37.5% considering he shoots over 35% from all spots beyond the arc and that's his favorite spot.

Plus you have to adjust for the fact that the Pacers were at home and LeBron had 5 fouls, both of which reduce the Heat's chances in OT. And adjust for the couple extra seconds the three took off the clock, making a Pacers last possession miracle that much harder if the Heat had scored.

7/14 - Playoffs

9/33 - Regular Season

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16/57 - 28% this season

And about 35% over the previous two seasons. Surprisingly, the right corner is his worst spot, though we aren't talking about huge samples here.

 

[nottingham Forest]

http://www.theonion.com/articles/miami-heat-confident-they-have-the-right-officiati,36090/

 

[TobiasFunke]

What should really convince you that it was the right play is that even if LeBron does convert at 75% there, which seems impossible, it still might not have been the better play. That translates to a 37.5% chance to win if you assume the teams are even in OT. I don't have Bosh's right corner 3 numbers but I assume he's at least at 37.5% considering he shoots over 35% from all spots beyond the arc and that's his favorite spot.

Plus you have to adjust for the fact that the Pacers were at home and LeBron had 5 fouls, both of which reduce the Heat's chances in OT. And adjust for the couple extra seconds the three took off the clock, making a Pacers last possession miracle that much harder if the Heat had scored.

7/14 - Playoffs

9/33 - Regular Season

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16/57 - 28% this season

And about 35% over the previous two seasons. Surprisingly, the right corner is his worst spot, though we aren't talking about huge samples here.

Thanks. Where did you get that breakdown? I don't see that kind of detail at basketball reference, the shot chart and heat map there make it look like he's efficient from that spot, although the heatmap might just be due to volume.

ETA- I see the problem. Your math is off. 14 + 33 = 47, making him 34% on the year.