*NBA THREAD* Abe will be missed (9 Viewers)

[Kev4029]

Forde or someone reporting that the offer of 4, 12, and AA is intriguing the Cavs more than the offers from Philly, etc.

am i way off base for thinking the cavs should do this immediately?

I don't think they should, but being that Gilbert is hell bent on being a mediocre team ASAP, rather than a very good team a few years down the line, they'll probably take it.

Unless they totally botch the picks (which they obviously will), that would be a playoff team next year and they might have the cap room to throw at somebody like Hayward or Monroe.

Irving + Jack

Afflalo + Waiters

Stauskas/McBuckets+Bennett

Vonleh/Gordon/Randle+Thompson

Monroe+Varejao+Zeller

That could be a decent team.

 

[Max Power]

One of the new Bucks owners says Milwaukee has taken Embiid off their draft board. Too much risk.

I can see Embiid falling to #10 for the same reason. Philly gets two picks, so it doesn't hurt to swing for the fences.

 

[Kev4029]

One of the new Bucks owners says Milwaukee has taken Embiid off their draft board. Too much risk.

I can see Embiid falling to #10 for the same reason. Philly gets two picks, so it doesn't hurt to swing for the fences.

On that new Simmons/Ford BS Report, they were implying that there are more health risks than have been reported. They were being pretty vague but they mentioned hepatitis, a bone density issue, and it seemed like they were holding something else back.

 

[sporthenry]

One of the new Bucks owners says Milwaukee has taken Embiid off their draft board. Too much risk.

I can see Embiid falling to #10 for the same reason. Philly gets two picks, so it doesn't hurt to swing for the fences.

Embiid doesn't fall to #10. No way does McDermott, Saric or Stauskas go over him.

 

[got_nugs]

Haslem will have a spot somewhere within the Heat organization in some capacity when his time is done. Not necessarily a coach but no question he will be around te club and on the payroll in the future.

Todem you seem like a good dude and all but you're a little nutty if you think Wade is taking 4/40. There is just no way.

4/50 4/55 somewhere there.

Two main targets for the Heat after they resign Lebron, Wade and Bosh are going to be Gortat and Lowery. Of course that is Ina perfect scenario. I think it is a stretch to land one of them but not impossible.

Time will tell

I just don't see it happening. If the big three take massive pay cuts and can free up 20 mil in cap space. Lowry or Gortat are going to run a team 12mil a season. Then the Heat are still stuck with 8 mil to fill 7 roster slots. The only way the Heat make a splash in FA is if Wade drops his salary to 8mil a year.

I agree, can't see 8 figure guys going to Miami except unlikely scenario of Melo. I think James is coming back to Miami...but i'm skeered.

LeBron to the Lakers .... sure, help Kobe win more rings to tie or pass Jordan and give you a higher ring total to shoot for with less years of your prime to do it. That's likely. As likely as JR Smith being traded to San Antonio at the request of Pop.

 

[Max Power]

One of the new Bucks owners says Milwaukee has taken Embiid off their draft board. Too much risk.

I can see Embiid falling to #10 for the same reason. Philly gets two picks, so it doesn't hurt to swing for the fences.

On that new Simmons/Ford BS Report, they were implying that there are more health risks than have been reported. They were being pretty vague but they mentioned hepatitis, a bone density issue, and it seemed like they were holding something else back.

whoa... I haven't seen that one yet. Sounds like an interesting read.

 

[NutterButter]

One of the new Bucks owners says Milwaukee has taken Embiid off their draft board. Too much risk.

I can see Embiid falling to #10 for the same reason. Philly gets two picks, so it doesn't hurt to swing for the fences.

On that new Simmons/Ford BS Report, they were implying that there are more health risks than have been reported. They were being pretty vague but they mentioned hepatitis, a bone density issue, and it seemed like they were holding something else back.

Good god, does this guy make it to draft night.

 

[Max Power]

One of the new Bucks owners says Milwaukee has taken Embiid off their draft board. Too much risk.

I can see Embiid falling to #10 for the same reason. Philly gets two picks, so it doesn't hurt to swing for the fences.

Embiid doesn't fall to #10. No way does McDermott, Saric or Stauskas go over him.

I think there are 7 healthy prospects who are better than an injured Embiid. Picking #8 and #9 are the Kings and Hornets. Neither team needs more projects. #10 sounds about right.

 

[Celph Titled]

One of the new Bucks owners says Milwaukee has taken Embiid off their draft board. Too much risk.

I can see Embiid falling to #10 for the same reason. Philly gets two picks, so it doesn't hurt to swing for the fences.

On that new Simmons/Ford BS Report, they were implying that there are more health risks than have been reported. They were being pretty vague but they mentioned hepatitis, a bone density issue, and it seemed like they were holding something else back.

That he hates America?

 

[sporthenry]

One of the new Bucks owners says Milwaukee has taken Embiid off their draft board. Too much risk.

I can see Embiid falling to #10 for the same reason. Philly gets two picks, so it doesn't hurt to swing for the fences.

Embiid doesn't fall to #10. No way does McDermott, Saric or Stauskas go over him.

I think there are 7 healthy prospects who are better than an injured Embiid. Picking #8 and #9 are the Kings and Hornets. Neither team needs more projects. #10 sounds about right.

Wanna bet?

 

[Max Power]

One of the new Bucks owners says Milwaukee has taken Embiid off their draft board. Too much risk.

I can see Embiid falling to #10 for the same reason. Philly gets two picks, so it doesn't hurt to swing for the fences.

Embiid doesn't fall to #10. No way does McDermott, Saric or Stauskas go over him.

I think there are 7 healthy prospects who are better than an injured Embiid. Picking #8 and #9 are the Kings and Hornets. Neither team needs more projects. #10 sounds about right.

Wanna bet?

I'll make a friendly wager. As long as no other team moves into the #8 or #9 slot. Embiid goes 10+.

 

[pollardsvision]

One of the new Bucks owners says Milwaukee has taken Embiid off their draft board. Too much risk.

I can see Embiid falling to #10 for the same reason. Philly gets two picks, so it doesn't hurt to swing for the fences.

On that new Simmons/Ford BS Report, they were implying that there are more health risks than have been reported. They were being pretty vague but they mentioned hepatitis, a bone density issue, and it seemed like they were holding something else back.

I don't really understand what gets reported to teams and what the process for teams checking these guys out medically is like, but the whole thing sounded weird.

It sounded like the agent was withholding all kinds of info and a lot of teams still had team docs that hadn't checked out Embiid or seen his records yet.

Maybe I misunderstood, but it sounded odd to have such little information two days before the draft.

It seems like you'd want to be as transparent as possible if the whole league is starting to think your client is falling apart.

 

[Max Power]

Last year in a weak draft, Noel (the top prospect) fell to #6 due to injury. Not crazy to think Embiid falls to 10 in a strong draft.

 

[sporthenry]

One of the new Bucks owners says Milwaukee has taken Embiid off their draft board. Too much risk.

I can see Embiid falling to #10 for the same reason. Philly gets two picks, so it doesn't hurt to swing for the fences.

Embiid doesn't fall to #10. No way does McDermott, Saric or Stauskas go over him.

I think there are 7 healthy prospects who are better than an injured Embiid. Picking #8 and #9 are the Kings and Hornets. Neither team needs more projects. #10 sounds about right.

Wanna bet?

I'll make a friendly wager. As long as no other team moves into the #8 or #9 slot. Embiid goes 10+.

So what happens under the scenario someone trades up? No action?

 

[Kev4029]

One of the new Bucks owners says Milwaukee has taken Embiid off their draft board. Too much risk.

I can see Embiid falling to #10 for the same reason. Philly gets two picks, so it doesn't hurt to swing for the fences.

On that new Simmons/Ford BS Report, they were implying that there are more health risks than have been reported. They were being pretty vague but they mentioned hepatitis, a bone density issue, and it seemed like they were holding something else back.

I don't really understand what gets reported to teams and what the process for teams checking these guys out medically is like, but the whole thing sounded weird.It sounded like the agent was withholding all kinds of info and a lot of teams still had team docs that hadn't checked out Embiid or seen his records yet.

Maybe I misunderstood, but it sounded odd to have such little information two days before the draft.

It seems like you'd want to be as transparent as possible if the whole league is starting to think your client is falling apart.

His agent has only released his medical records to Cleveland and Milwaukee to date. I feel awful for Embiid, but he is looking very high risk and might be in for quite the slide Thursday. Simmons didn't seem quite as turned off as Ford was about his issues.

 

[Max Power]

One of the new Bucks owners says Milwaukee has taken Embiid off their draft board. Too much risk.

I can see Embiid falling to #10 for the same reason. Philly gets two picks, so it doesn't hurt to swing for the fences.

Embiid doesn't fall to #10. No way does McDermott, Saric or Stauskas go over him.

I think there are 7 healthy prospects who are better than an injured Embiid. Picking #8 and #9 are the Kings and Hornets. Neither team needs more projects. #10 sounds about right.

Wanna bet?

I'll make a friendly wager. As long as no other team moves into the #8 or #9 slot. Embiid goes 10+.

So what happens under the scenario someone trades up? No action?

Yeah, I think Embiid would be the pick at #8 if all things were equal. Last thing the Kings or Hornets want are more developmental prospects. I would say Embiid wont go in the top 7 and stick with that...

 

[Kev4029]

Last year in a weak draft, Noel (the top prospect) fell to #6 due to injury. Not crazy to think Embiid falls to 10 in a strong draft.

The whole situation is a lot different. Embiid was absolutely going number one and is being compared to hall of famers. Noel may not have gone #1 if healthy and the difference in talent between him and the mid to late lottery talent wasn't big. On the other hand, an ACL isn't terribly scary while Embiid could be Oden 2.0 with his health risks.

 

[Max Power]

Last year in a weak draft, Noel (the top prospect) fell to #6 due to injury. Not crazy to think Embiid falls to 10 in a strong draft.

The whole situation is a lot different. Embiid was absolutely going number one and is being compared to hall of famers. Noel may not have gone #1 if healthy and the difference in talent between him and the mid to late lottery talent wasn't big. On the other hand, an ACL isn't terribly scary while Embiid could be Oden 2.0 with his health risks.

Oden 2.0 is what will scare teams the most. Over the last month we've all had to watch Durant win the MVP and Oden get called out in prime time for playing 2 minutes in a finales game. Embiid is now and injury coming off an injury. Is that track record one a GM wants to attach his job to?

 

[Kev4029]

Last year in a weak draft, Noel (the top prospect) fell to #6 due to injury. Not crazy to think Embiid falls to 10 in a strong draft.

The whole situation is a lot different. Embiid was absolutely going number one and is being compared to hall of famers. Noel may not have gone #1 if healthy and the difference in talent between him and the mid to late lottery talent wasn't big. On the other hand, an ACL isn't terribly scary while Embiid could be Oden 2.0 with his health risks.

Oden 2.0 is what will scare teams the most. Over the last month we've all had to watch Durant win the MVP and Oden get called out in prime time for playing 2 minutes in a finales game. Embiid is now and injury coming off an injury. Is that track record one a GM wants to attach his job to?

Not in the top 6 or so picks, IMO.

 

[Todem]

Anyone ever seen The Great White Hope?

There is a scene at the end when Irish Terry Conklin drops and the handicap kid drops his Irish flag... I feel like that'll be Todem when the reality hits.

That was actually a freaking hilarious movie.

 

[sporthenry]

One of the new Bucks owners says Milwaukee has taken Embiid off their draft board. Too much risk.

I can see Embiid falling to #10 for the same reason. Philly gets two picks, so it doesn't hurt to swing for the fences.

Embiid doesn't fall to #10. No way does McDermott, Saric or Stauskas go over him.

I think there are 7 healthy prospects who are better than an injured Embiid. Picking #8 and #9 are the Kings and Hornets. Neither team needs more projects. #10 sounds about right.

Wanna bet?

I'll make a friendly wager. As long as no other team moves into the #8 or #9 slot. Embiid goes 10+.

So what happens under the scenario someone trades up? No action?

Yeah, I think Embiid would be the pick at #8 if all things were equal. Last thing the Kings or Hornets want are more developmental prospects. I would say Embiid wont go in the top 7 and stick with that...

Just clarifying, so if Sacramento takes him at #8, I win, correct?

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

I didn't realize our Capela was in this draft class. Good luck, buddy.

 

[Max Power]

Last year in a weak draft, Noel (the top prospect) fell to #6 due to injury. Not crazy to think Embiid falls to 10 in a strong draft.

The whole situation is a lot different. Embiid was absolutely going number one and is being compared to hall of famers. Noel may not have gone #1 if healthy and the difference in talent between him and the mid to late lottery talent wasn't big. On the other hand, an ACL isn't terribly scary while Embiid could be Oden 2.0 with his health risks.

Oden 2.0 is what will scare teams the most. Over the last month we've all had to watch Durant win the MVP and Oden get called out in prime time for playing 2 minutes in a finales game. Embiid is now and injury coming off an injury. Is that track record one a GM wants to attach his job to?

Not in the top 6 or so picks, IMO.

I've seen a couple reports that the Lakers like Randle or Smart. One or the other should be there at the pick. I'd be a little surprised to see the Lakers go with Embiid at 7. Kings don't need a C, and the Hornets need shooting more than anything.

I think the wildcard might be the Jazz, who look willing to do anything to become relevant again. A big time hit or miss lottery ticket might be worth it to them.

 

[Max Power]

One of the new Bucks owners says Milwaukee has taken Embiid off their draft board. Too much risk.

I can see Embiid falling to #10 for the same reason. Philly gets two picks, so it doesn't hurt to swing for the fences.

Embiid doesn't fall to #10. No way does McDermott, Saric or Stauskas go over him.

I think there are 7 healthy prospects who are better than an injured Embiid. Picking #8 and #9 are the Kings and Hornets. Neither team needs more projects. #10 sounds about right.

Wanna bet?

I'll make a friendly wager. As long as no other team moves into the #8 or #9 slot. Embiid goes 10+.

So what happens under the scenario someone trades up? No action?

Yeah, I think Embiid would be the pick at #8 if all things were equal. Last thing the Kings or Hornets want are more developmental prospects. I would say Embiid wont go in the top 7 and stick with that...

Just clarifying, so if Sacramento takes him at #8, I win, correct?

I'd say if the Lakers take him, you're correct... But heck... If the Kings take him and don't trade him... I'll give it to you.

 

[Premier]

I didn't realize our Capela was in this draft class. Good luck, buddy.

This is my moment.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

I didn't realize our Capela was in this draft class. Good luck, buddy.

This is my moment.

What kind of suit?

 

[Gr00vus]

Up to now I think Randle was the guy for the Lakers assuming the usual suspects were taken ahead of him. I don't think they've spent too much time considering Embiid as they haven't been expecting him to be available. It wouldn't surprise me if they took him at 7 if he was there (particularly if it was Randle who moved up as a result of Embiid sliding). I don't know that I'd like it as a fan, but it wouldn't surprise me.

 

[Premier]

I didn't realize our Capela was in this draft class. Good luck, buddy.

This is my moment.

What kind of suit?

Birthday

 

[pollardsvision]

Speaking of SAC, I'm very curious to see what they do now that they've apparently crowdsourced some geeks from the innerwebs to help with their scouting and research dept.

http://grantland.com/features/sacramento-kings-2014-nba-draft-crowdsourcing/

It sounds like a horrible idea, but hell, it can't get any worse. This is a league where 70 YO's that have never GM'd get tapped to save a franchise from the other coast, and being a former PG makes you worth $5 mill/year as a coach.

Anyway, that's what made the J-Smoove rumors even more odd. There's no player stat geeks hate more than him. Well, it's between him and Rudy Gay

 

[Max Power]

Up to now I think Randle was the guy for the Lakers assuming the usual suspects were taken ahead of him. I don't think they've spent too much time considering Embiid as they haven't been expecting him to be available. It wouldn't surprise me if they took him at 7 if he was there (particularly if it was Randle who moved up as a result of Embiid sliding). I don't know that I'd like it as a fan, but it wouldn't surprise me.

I think the first part of this is correct. But its hard to see it from the business side. 25mil to Kobe while drafting a guy who wont give you much in 2014. All that said, I really don't think Embiid is better than Randle long term. I'd probably take Embiid over Smart though.

 

[Frostillicus]

Bron-Bron to the Clippers?...What a #####! Sack it up, Young Man and make your own mark!

I think he's doing ok.

 

[thecatch]

Speaking of SAC, I'm very curious to see what they do now that they've apparently crowdsourced some geeks from the innerwebs to help with their scouting and research dept.

http://grantland.com/features/sacramento-kings-2014-nba-draft-crowdsourcing/

It sounds like a horrible idea, but hell, it can't get any worse. This is a league where 70 YO's that have never GM'd get tapped to save a franchise from the other coast, and being a former PG makes you worth $5 mill/year as a coach.

Anyway, that's what made the J-Smoove rumors even more odd. There's no player stat geeks hate more than him. Well, it's between him and Rudy Gay

Why is it a horrible idea? They either give you an interesting analytical angle or they don't, but it doesn't cost you anything either way. All upside.

 

[Max Power]

Speaking of SAC, I'm very curious to see what they do now that they've apparently crowdsourced some geeks from the innerwebs to help with their scouting and research dept.

http://grantland.com/features/sacramento-kings-2014-nba-draft-crowdsourcing/

It sounds like a horrible idea, but hell, it can't get any worse. This is a league where 70 YO's that have never GM'd get tapped to save a franchise from the other coast, and being a former PG makes you worth $5 mill/year as a coach.

Anyway, that's what made the J-Smoove rumors even more odd. There's no player stat geeks hate more than him. Well, it's between him and Rudy Gay

Long term if they think Smith = Rondo its not the worst idea. I mean they have to do something right??

a

Rondo

McLemore

????

Smith

Cousins

Lineup isn't the worst thing in the west. Probably still a second round out though.

 

[Frostillicus]

The Cleveland Cavaliers have entertained several trade offers for the first pick in the 2014 NBA Draft, but according to ESPN scribe Chad Ford, no offer interests them as much as the Orlando Magic's. Orlando, Ford says, is willing to package veteran swingman Arron Afflalo with its own picks--fourth and 12th overall--in exchange for the right to pick first on Thursday, and Cleveland has "some interest" in that offer.

http://www.orlandopinstripedpost.com/2014/6/24/5839418/2014-nba-draft-trade-rumor-top-pick-cavaliers-magic-arron-afflalo

You have to really really love Parker/Wiggins for that to make sense for ORL.

I'm ok with it. Chance for a franchise player which you likely won't get at 4 and 12.

I don't know a ton about these guys so if Wiggins/Parker are that type of player, then yeah, for sure. I'm just not sure from listening to scouting reports, etc., over the last couple of weeks that they are light years better than the rest of the top 5-6 guys.

They are.

 

[Frostillicus]

I'll make a friendly wager. As long as no other team moves into the #8 or #9 slot. Embiid goes 10+.

I'll make a friendly wager. As long as no other team moves into the #8 or #9 slot. Embiid goes 10+.

On online books he's lined at over/under pick five and the under is a pretty heavy favorite.

 

[Frostillicus]

Neat board.

 

[BassNBrew]

Speaking of SAC, I'm very curious to see what they do now that they've apparently crowdsourced some geeks from the innerwebs to help with their scouting and research dept.

http://grantland.com/features/sacramento-kings-2014-nba-draft-crowdsourcing/

It sounds like a horrible idea, but hell, it can't get any worse. This is a league where 70 YO's that have never GM'd get tapped to save a franchise from the other coast, and being a former PG makes you worth $5 mill/year as a coach.

Anyway, that's what made the J-Smoove rumors even more odd. There's no player stat geeks hate more than him. Well, it's between him and Rudy Gay

Thanks for sharing that…really enjoyed it.

 

[Thunderlips]

Bron-Bron to the Clippers?...What a #####! Sack it up, Young Man and make your own mark!

I think he's doing ok.

Meh. Guess he gotta go be Mrs. Paul for a few years.

 

[Max Power]

I'll make a friendly wager. As long as no other team moves into the #8 or #9 slot. Embiid goes 10+.

I'll make a friendly wager. As long as no other team moves into the #8 or #9 slot. Embiid goes 10+.

On online books he's lined at over/under pick five and the under is a pretty heavy favorite.

I still feel 7+... are these the same online books that suspended all betting odds after LeBron opted into free agency? Claiming the market was too volatile to commit to odds

 

[Routilla]

Los Spurs!

 

[Premier]

Bron-Bron to the Clippers?...What a #####! Sack it up, Young Man and make your own mark!

I think he's doing ok.

Meh. Guess he gotta go be Mrs. Paul for a few years.

You know he's a better player than Paul right?

 

[Frostillicus]

Bron-Bron to the Clippers?...What a #####! Sack it up, Young Man and make your own mark!

I think he's doing ok.

Meh. Guess he gotta go be Mrs. Paul for a few years.

You people are so weird.

 

[Frostillicus]

I'll make a friendly wager. As long as no other team moves into the #8 or #9 slot. Embiid goes 10+.

I'll make a friendly wager. As long as no other team moves into the #8 or #9 slot. Embiid goes 10+.

On online books he's lined at over/under pick five and the under is a pretty heavy favorite.

I still feel 7+... are these the same online books that suspended all betting odds after LeBron opted into free agency? Claiming the market was too volatile to commit to odds

Yes. No idea the point you're making.

 

[Captain Quinoa]

Am I the only one who really doesn't like Smart?

 

[Frostillicus]

Am I the only one who really doesn't like Smart?

Lots of people probably don't like him.

 

[MAC_32]

Am I the only one who really doesn't like Smart?

Marcus? You're not alone. He needs to go to a winner. He's the type that could tear a rebuilding organization,apart..

 

[pollardsvision]

Speaking of SAC, I'm very curious to see what they do now that they've apparently crowdsourced some geeks from the innerwebs to help with their scouting and research dept.

http://grantland.com/features/sacramento-kings-2014-nba-draft-crowdsourcing/

It sounds like a horrible idea, but hell, it can't get any worse. This is a league where 70 YO's that have never GM'd get tapped to save a franchise from the other coast, and being a former PG makes you worth $5 mill/year as a coach.

Anyway, that's what made the J-Smoove rumors even more odd. There's no player stat geeks hate more than him. Well, it's between him and Rudy Gay

Why is it a horrible idea? They either give you an interesting analytical angle or they don't, but it doesn't cost you anything either way. All upside.

I was kidding about the horrible idea part. I like it.

It might make it easier to mock SAC if things go bad, but I like the idea.

 

[pollardsvision]

Am I the only one who really doesn't like Smart?

What, you don't like 6'3" guys that can't shoot?

Simmons and Ford were having quite the Smart circle jerk on that podcast.

 

[Max Power]

I'll make a friendly wager. As long as no other team moves into the #8 or #9 slot. Embiid goes 10+.

I'll make a friendly wager. As long as no other team moves into the #8 or #9 slot. Embiid goes 10+.

On online books he's lined at over/under pick five and the under is a pretty heavy favorite.

I still feel 7+... are these the same online books that suspended all betting odds after LeBron opted into free agency? Claiming the market was too volatile to commit to odds

Yes. No idea the point you're making.

I'll take the over, get in before they realize what is happening....

 

[Frostillicus]

I'll make a friendly wager. As long as no other team moves into the #8 or #9 slot. Embiid goes 10+.

I'll make a friendly wager. As long as no other team moves into the #8 or #9 slot. Embiid goes 10+.

On online books he's lined at over/under pick five and the under is a pretty heavy favorite.

I still feel 7+... are these the same online books that suspended all betting odds after LeBron opted into free agency? Claiming the market was too volatile to commit to odds

Yes. No idea the point you're making.

I'll take the over, get in before they realize what is happening....

I will admit that if I was forced to bet that line I'd take the over.