*NBA THREAD* Abe will be missed (4 Viewers)

[Todem]

Lebron you won't believe how quick Sprint's LTE is on this Framily plan

I have that image in my head now too!!!!

LMFAO!!!

 

[got_nugs]

and it really is a family culture that Riley and Arison have built and instilled. It is very tight and very real. I am talking not just about the players I am talking about the ticket ushers,

Didn't they ####can all the ticket salesman after they brought Lebron in and sold out in 2010?

So what you're saying is it may be a good time to knock the dust off my resume if I wanted to get in on the ground floor of a sports franchise? Sounds like there may be openings and a need if James leaves.

 

[Slapdash]

game 7 for The Marlins in 1997

Ok now you're looking for a fight.

F'n Joe Table

LOL man that was a crazy game!!!

Sorry for that. That must have been brutal for you.

Gary Sheffield = SPEED

 

[Todem]

I think LeBron would need to meet with Gilbert, Blatt before signing on to play with Cleveland. Without a public apology from Gilbert, i'd have to stand and clap for LeBron being better at forgiveness than he is at basketball.

One thing for sure, Miami did not intend to be in this position after beating Indiana in the ECF. For the sake of discussion, if the A/C doesn't go off, Miami somehow wins game 1/2, loses 3-6 and loses the series 4-2 or loses 4-1 in a series of competitive games....are we still in this same position?

Nugs...you're losing a little faith. Come on brother..you know Riley has this all under control. Lebron and Wade hanging in Vegas together..come on baby.

All will be better as soon as they freaking announce what we already know!!!!!

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

I guess it makes sense. Lebron can get max money. Live where he wants. Be on a competitive and young team that won't need to retool during his contract. My only thing is that the potential of these guys might not be realized, especially this season, so it is a gamble on lebron's part. If they trade for love and maintain some young assets though, that could be nice.

I'm not sure kyrie Allen lebron love varajo with James jones and mike miller plus minimums is better than Napier/cole/chalmers - wade/Allen - lebron/granger - bosh/mcbob - Oden scrubs though. I think wade is being sold too short in this thread.

 

[Todem]

and it really is a family culture that Riley and Arison have built and instilled. It is very tight and very real. I am talking not just about the players I am talking about the ticket ushers,

Didn't they ####can all the ticket salesman after they brought Lebron in and sold out in 2010?

So what you're saying is it may be a good time to knock the dust off my resume if I wanted to get in on the ground floor of a sports franchise? Sounds like there may be openings and a need if James leaves.

Ton's of sales positions will be opening up no doubt!!!

 

[Ghost Rider]

Who was the Cleveland guy last month who told me that most fans there wouldn't want James back?

I wonder what he thinks of Cleveland all but collectively falling to their knees and begging him to come back.

The sad part is, if he doesn't go back to Cleveland, the sting will be almost as bad as 2010.

 

[Freelove]

Haven't heard anything, and no idea about the financial plausibility, but if the Heat blow up, any chance they make a move to acquire Hibbert as part of the rebuild? Clearly an all-everything defensive talent and game changer if he can somehow keep his head anywhere near in line. Maybe Riles has the confidence that he can pull that off where others (well, other) have failed? Maybe use Zo in a mentorship role somehow?

Nothing here except empty wondering. That and frequent rumors that Pacers want to be rid of him, or at least blow up whatever was causing the headache last season.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

if you are labron why not just sign a one year deal no matter where you go

If he went to Cleveland and left again in 1 year he wouldn't survive it. Might not be an exaggeration.

This is still what I have a hard time wrapping my mind around. He probably can't leave CLE again, which means he's putting the rest of his career in the hands of Dan Gilbert and the Cleveland ####### Cavaliers.

I don't care how many assets they have at the moment. That's scary.

You got 2 years until Durant forms his own super team and before Davis is ready to wreck the league.

If you are going the long-term route, I don't see how you place your bet on the Cavs.

No offense, Cavs fans.

(Though, like a fat chick that hates another fat chick that lands a hot guy, I kind of hate any small market team that has some fortune shine on their ###)

No offense taken.

How does hitching to the Heat for a long term plan (maybe that needs to be defined) make more sense than the Cavs?

He's left once...I think that means he can/would leave again.

Who the heck is runnnig the Cavs. It's not Pat Riley. Who owns the Cav's? Oh right Dan Gilbert who charred and destroyed the bridge.

No offense but that franchise is run like a fast food joint while Miami operates like a fine steak house. Riley delivered on his promise of rings. He delivered on getting the pieces needed around his 3 star players to win. And you know laugh all you want about McRoberts, but that was a super solid acquisition and only a piece of the puzzle around the core three. Riley get's it done. He is a fantastic NBA Executive. Lebron has considerably more confidence in his ability along with Bosh and Wade and Pat's and Spo's guidance than a complete unknown in Cleveland. It is an unknown. You have no statistical fact on your squad other than Kyrie Irving. The hope and dreams on lotto picks can go bad as history has shown over and over and over.

The East is weak enough for The Heat to again "get away" as many think with minimum vet's and other teams castaways because Riley knows how to pick the right vet's and reclamation projects for the most part (Oden and Beasly failed but Lewis and Birdman were hits), and Spo knows exactly how to plug them in around his 3 star players. Everyone's argument is Wade is not like he used to be. Same thing was said in the two title years too. Oh wade is breaking down, he is breaking down. Yeah he broke down in the second of two titles playing on one leg basically and having his knee drained every other day...but they still won it. This year they ran into a better team. Nothing is wrong with the Heat. Winning titles is very hard. You don't win them every year. But they sure as hell will be playing and contending for them the next 2-3 years if all three come back (which they will). Riley will plug holes each off-season as usual and hopefully Shabaaz develops by year two into a solid PG. For two players in their prime (Lebron and Bosh) to walk away from a team that has been in the Finals 4 straight years would be IMO the most shocking thing in NBA history. Seriously. It would be just dumbfounding. Miami is a first class franchise. One of the best over the last decade. Cleveland? Bro home is so overrated right now it is killing me LOL. Miami is Lebron's home and has been his office for the last 4 years...the light on for ya big fella. Come hand your hat here for 3-4 more years again and win another ring or two.

Again no offense and with all due respect.

LOL

THE HEAT WAY!!!!!!!!!!11111111111111

please I could coach and run that team if the big3 just wanted to show up for me.

Sigh

Your credibility just flew out the window.

Spo is a great young coach. One of the 6-7 best in the league no question. You don't get it. Riley's student and he learned from the master bro. You think you can just show up when you have those three? Don't think so. If anything bad coaching will ***k the whole thing up. And great coaching get's a team to 4 straight Finals. It takes a village. It takes excellence from all angles.

lol

 

[Captain Quinoa]

Who was the Cleveland guy last month who told me that most fans there wouldn't want James back?

I wonder what he thinks of Cleveland all but collectively falling to their knees and begging him to come back.

The sad part is, if he doesn't go back to Cleveland, the sting will be almost as bad as 2010.

not really

 

[Todem]

I guess it makes sense. Lebron can get max money. Live where he wants. Be on a competitive and young team that won't need to retool during his contract. My only thing is that the potential of these guys might not be realized, especially this season, so it is a gamble on lebron's part. If they trade for love and maintain some young assets though, that could be nice.

I'm not sure kyrie Allen lebron love varajo with James jones and mike miller plus minimums is better than Napier/cole/chalmers - wade/Allen - lebron/granger - bosh/mcbob - Oden scrubs though. I think wade is being sold too short in this thread.

Yeah Wade is so getting short changed it's really disgusting. Guy played great last year, and his shots stopped falling at the wrong time. He got to the rim with no issues...just could not get his shot to fall.

They got beat. It happens.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

I think LeBron would need to meet with Gilbert, Blatt before signing on to play with Cleveland. Without a public apology from Gilbert, i'd have to stand and clap for LeBron being better at forgiveness than he is at basketball.

One thing for sure, Miami did not intend to be in this position after beating Indiana in the ECF. For the sake of discussion, if the A/C doesn't go off, Miami somehow wins game 1/2, loses 3-6 and loses the series 4-2 or loses 4-1 in a series of competitive games....are we still in this same position?

Nugs...your losing a little faith. Come on brother..you know Riley has this all under control. Lebron and Wade hanging in Vegas together..come on baby.

All will be better as soon as they freaking announce what we already know!!!!!

*you're

 

[ffldrew]

PREVIOUS WINNERS:

2006 - LHUCKS

2007 - LHUCKS

2008 - LHUCKS

2009 - LHUCKS

2010 - LHUCKS

2011 - LHUCKS

2012 - shadyrdr

2013 - some shark pool knob I'm the scientist

 

[Todem]

I think LeBron would need to meet with Gilbert, Blatt before signing on to play with Cleveland. Without a public apology from Gilbert, i'd have to stand and clap for LeBron being better at forgiveness than he is at basketball.

One thing for sure, Miami did not intend to be in this position after beating Indiana in the ECF. For the sake of discussion, if the A/C doesn't go off, Miami somehow wins game 1/2, loses 3-6 and loses the series 4-2 or loses 4-1 in a series of competitive games....are we still in this same position?

Nugs...your losing a little faith. Come on brother..you know Riley has this all under control. Lebron and Wade hanging in Vegas together..come on baby.

All will be better as soon as they freaking announce what we already know!!!!!

*you're

Brain farting on that....speed typing....thanks for the grammar police heads up (and I say that sincerely).

 

[SWC]

wade is done and i am from milwaukee and loved seeing him but having watched him here and then there he can not get up and is out of shape he needs to commit and i do not think he has it in him i am sorry to say that but dems the bones i was dealt and so i played the hand i came in with take that to the bank brohans

 

[sporthenry]

I guess it makes sense. Lebron can get max money. Live where he wants. Be on a competitive and young team that won't need to retool during his contract. My only thing is that the potential of these guys might not be realized, especially this season, so it is a gamble on lebron's part. If they trade for love and maintain some young assets though, that could be nice.

I'm not sure kyrie Allen lebron love varajo with James jones and mike miller plus minimums is better than Napier/cole/chalmers - wade/Allen - lebron/granger - bosh/mcbob - Oden scrubs though. I think wade is being sold too short in this thread.

Yeah Wade is so getting short changed it's really disgusting. Guy played great last year, and his shots stopped falling at the wrong time. He got to the rim with no issues...just could not get his shot to fall.

They got beat. It happens.

The problem isn't that they got beat. It is that they got wiped all over the floor. As Nugs pointed out, maybe things are different if they don't lose 4-1 by double digit points in every game. Maybe it was just a perfect storm but essentially putting the same team on the floor next year and expecting different results reeks of insanity.

 

[Village Idiot]

TODEM!!!

Serious question.

What's so funny T.R.E.

That I actually think all three are coming back. That's funny? Or that when all 3 come back The Heat contend yet again? That's funny? Please enlighten me. Do I amuse you like a clown in the circus? Funny how? I want to know...tell me why am I so damn funny!!!

Not exactly the way that I would describe it. Your degree of certainty on a scale of 1 to 10 is about 178 and you immediately deride all suggestions otherwise. That's why people think that you are funny. Not like a clown. Like a village idiot.

 

[NutterButter]

I guess it makes sense. Lebron can get max money. Live where he wants. Be on a competitive and young team that won't need to retool during his contract. My only thing is that the potential of these guys might not be realized, especially this season, so it is a gamble on lebron's part. If they trade for love and maintain some young assets though, that could be nice.

I'm not sure kyrie Allen lebron love varajo with James jones and mike miller plus minimums is better than Napier/cole/chalmers - wade/Allen - lebron/granger - bosh/mcbob - Oden scrubs though. I think wade is being sold too short in this thread.

All depends on what Wade you're talking about. In the regular season he's fine b/c he can just pick the days he wants to play. In the playoffs, he's going to be a non-factor when he starts to lose his legs as can be seen in the Spurs series where he was terrible.

 

[Worm]

LeBron is not crazy. He can see the future in Miami, and it's not great. IMO.

 

[Ghost Rider]

I guess it makes sense. Lebron can get max money. Live where he wants. Be on a competitive and young team that won't need to retool during his contract. My only thing is that the potential of these guys might not be realized, especially this season, so it is a gamble on lebron's part. If they trade for love and maintain some young assets though, that could be nice.

I'm not sure kyrie Allen lebron love varajo with James jones and mike miller plus minimums is better than Napier/cole/chalmers - wade/Allen - lebron/granger - bosh/mcbob - Oden scrubs though. I think wade is being sold too short in this thread.

All depends on what Wade you're talking about. In the regular season he's fine b/c he can just pick the days he wants to play. In the playoffs, he's going to be a non-factor when he starts to lose his legs as can be seen in the Spurs series where he was terrible.

Right. They even coasted through the East (only playing 15 games in the Eastern playoffs) and he was still ineffective and mostly useless by the time the Finals rolled around. You can't expect to waltz to the Finals like that every year, which means he'll break down earlier and earlier in the playoffs every years as he gets older.

 

[Todem]

wade is done and i am from milwaukee and loved seeing him but having watched him here and then there he can not get up and is out of shape he needs to commit and i do not think he has it in him i am sorry to say that but dems the bones i was dealt and so i played the hand i came in with take that to the bank brohans

Disagree. Guy can still ball. Does he need to commit to even better conditioning? No question. He can take a cue from ray Allen on that. He is older and must be diligent this off-season to get into as good as shape as he ever has. I have little doubt he would be committed to doing that. Wade is all heart. The guy plays hard. He did look like he flamed out in the Finals. Part of that was the furious pace of The Spurs and the pin point ball movement. They played magnificent basketball. Yeah they got trounced.

So what do you do? You get angry, you get hungry, you come back, get back in the gym together work hard together and fight for what you want.

That is soul of sports and competing. And that's why I love Riley. He said..."you don't run out the door". "You come back".

Damn f****ing straight.

 

[DrJ]

Whole lot of arguing about something that will be resolved soon without any of your input.

 

[NutterButter]

Whole lot of arguing about something that will be resolved soon without any of your input.

I say this a lot, but I really mean it. I'm at work. What else you want me to do? And don't say work. There's a reason I became a computer programmer.

 

[Timmay]

Whole lot of arguing about something that will be resolved soon without any of your input.

Thanks for your input though.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Whole lot of arguing about something that will be resolved soon without any of your input.

Welcome to message boards, cookies and cake in the corner.

 

[Todem]

Whole lot of arguing about something that will be resolved soon without any of your input.

I say this a lot, but I really mean it. I'm at work. What else you want me to do? And don't say work. There's a reason I became a computer programmer.

LOL!!!

I am obviously very slow at work as well. Summer time...all my clients are vacationing while I make them money. It's a pretty decent gig.

 

[SWC]

wade is done and i am from milwaukee and loved seeing him but having watched him here and then there he can not get up and is out of shape he needs to commit and i do not think he has it in him i am sorry to say that but dems the bones i was dealt and so i played the hand i came in with take that to the bank brohans

Disagree. Guy can still ball. Does he need to commit to even better conditioning? No question. He can take a cue from ray Allen on that. He is older and must be diligent this off-season to get into as good as shape as he ever has. I have little doubt he would be committed to doing that. Wade is all heart. The guy plays hard. He did look like he flamed out in the Finals. Part of that was the furious pace of The Spurs and the pin point ball movement. They played magnificent basketball. Yeah they got trounced.

So what do you do? You get angry, you get hungry, you come back, get back in the gym together work hard together and fight for what you want.

That is soul of sports and competing. And that's why I love Riley. He said..."you don't run out the door". "You come back".

Damn f****ing straight.

naw brohan he is done but on the bright side if it all goes wrong and labron leaves you should seriously open a company making motivational posters you could put all that stuff on there and have a cat like hanging on the edge of cliff or something and it would be like man i have four more floors to sweep before i can leave but now i will not run out the door i will come back dangit fing straight and then bam the floors are clean and you just made yourself another seven bucks for the extra hour of work long story short i am with you brother take that to the bank brohan

 

[tommyGunZ]

Whole lot of arguing about something that will be resolved soon without any of your input.

Welcome to message boards, cookies and cake in the corner.

Only guy in FFA history I've put on ignore. Everytime someone quotes his nonsense reaffirms my decision. Guy is a tool.

 

[got_nugs]

Whole lot of arguing about something that will be resolved soon without any of your input.

Welcome to message boards, cookies and cake in the corner.

Only guy in FFA history I've put on ignore. Everytime someone quotes his nonsense reaffirms my decision. Guy is a tool.

I swear he's the only one that's ever been on mine.

 

[shader]

I'm a bit sad to see Wiggins leave Cleveland, as i was drooling over the Wiggins/Lebron/Kyrie combination.

Love seems to be a stud, although I have to admit I haven't seen a lot of Timberwolves games over the last few years.

Would one of you gurus mind a quick breakdown of Love vs Bosh?

 

[SWC]

love plays in the paint and bosh does not bam brought to you by the old swcer

 

[Kev4029]

PREVIOUS WINNERS:

2006 - LHUCKS

2007 - LHUCKS

2008 - LHUCKS

2009 - LHUCKS

2010 - LHUCKS

2011 - LHUCKS

2012 - shadyrdr

2013 - some shark pool knob

I can't believe that there wasn't at least one awarded to JMon, maybe 2007?

 

[Captain Quinoa]

I guess it makes sense. Lebron can get max money. Live where he wants. Be on a competitive and young team that won't need to retool during his contract. My only thing is that the potential of these guys might not be realized, especially this season, so it is a gamble on lebron's part. If they trade for love and maintain some young assets though, that could be nice.

I'm not sure kyrie Allen lebron love varajo with James jones and mike miller plus minimums is better than Napier/cole/chalmers - wade/Allen - lebron/granger - bosh/mcbob - Oden scrubs though. I think wade is being sold too short in this thread.

All depends on what Wade you're talking about. In the regular season he's fine b/c he can just pick the days he wants to play. In the playoffs, he's going to be a non-factor when he starts to lose his legs as can be seen in the Spurs series where he was terrible.

Right. They even coasted through the East (only playing 15 games in the Eastern playoffs) and he was still ineffective and mostly useless by the time the Finals rolled around. You can't expect to waltz to the Finals like that every year, which means he'll break down earlier and earlier in the playoffs every years as he gets older.

He did have a rigorous 54 game regular season though.

 

[Captain Quinoa]

love plays in the paint and bosh does not bam brought to you by the old swcer

wha?

 

[Bobcat10]

Who was the Cleveland guy last month who told me that most fans there wouldn't want James back?

I wonder what he thinks of Cleveland all but collectively falling to their knees and begging him to come back.

The sad part is, if he doesn't go back to Cleveland, the sting will be almost as bad as 2010.

not really

Cavs won't be playing for a title this year....but there will be no sting. People are excited about the possibility on the return, that's for sure. But we have a nice young roster....and Lebron-athon 2015....to fall back on. Lebron didn't make any promises, or say really anything besides a few rather meaningless tweets/instagrams, this time around.

 

[Captain Quinoa]

I'm a bit sad to see Wiggins leave Cleveland, as i was drooling over the Wiggins/Lebron/Kyrie combination.

Love seems to be a stud, although I have to admit I haven't seen a lot of Timberwolves games over the last few years.

Would one of you gurus mind a quick breakdown of Love vs Bosh?

Last reports are Cavs do not intend to include Wiggins but are also not confident they can get a deal done for Love.

 

[Bobcat10]

Woj is certainly taking the slow boat approach to this and most everyone else is on the fast train to announcement later tonight/early tomorrow.

Heater cap expert now joining Riley. All part of the plan.

Cle media can spin anything.

Anthony Lima ‏@AnthonyLimaFAN 1m
Bringing in cap specialist to the "pitch" is like bringing the pastry chef to the Weight Watchers meeting and telling you what you can't eat

 

[Timmay]

Bosh is a better all-around defender, Love doesn't really play defense, all he does is rebound on the defensive side of the ball.

Love is a better outside shooter, can create his own shot, play in the post. Both are stretch 4's. Love might be better in outlet passes, but I think they both have similar skills overall in passing.

 

[shader]

I'm a bit sad to see Wiggins leave Cleveland, as i was drooling over the Wiggins/Lebron/Kyrie combination.

Love seems to be a stud, although I have to admit I haven't seen a lot of Timberwolves games over the last few years.

Would one of you gurus mind a quick breakdown of Love vs Bosh?

Last reports are Cavs do not intend to include Wiggins but are also not confident they can get a deal done for Love.

That would be insane

 

[Gatorman]

Like how ESPN does an about face on "Why Lebron should stay in Miami". For them, it is about 100 hours in anti lebron programming if he comes back to Miami.

 

[got_nugs]

Woj is certainly taking the slow boat approach to this and most everyone else is on the fast train to announcement later tonight/early tomorrow.

Heater cap expert now joining Riley. All part of the plan.

Cle media can spin anything.

Anthony Lima ‏@AnthonyLimaFAN 1m
Bringing in cap specialist to the "pitch" is like bringing the pastry chef to the Weight Watchers meeting and telling you what you can't eat

Ellsburg is going to be there? Interesting.

 

[tommyGunZ]

Cavs having to give away a 1st round pick and Zeller just to get rid of Jarrett Jack's $6M is exactly why you don't pay Channing Frye $8M a yr for 4 years, or Jodie Meeks $6 a yr for 3.

 

[Abraham]

Cavs having to give away a 1st round pick and Zeller just to get rid of Jarrett Jack's $6M is exactly why you don't pay Channing Frye $8M a yr for 4 years, or Jodie Meeks $6 a yr for 3.

Good post.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Cavs having to give away a 1st round pick and Zeller just to get rid of Jarrett Jack's $6M is exactly why you don't pay Channing Frye $8M a yr for 4 years, or Jodie Meeks $6 a yr for 3.

Nonsense!

 

[Bobcat10]

Woj is certainly taking the slow boat approach to this and most everyone else is on the fast train to announcement later tonight/early tomorrow.

Heater cap expert now joining Riley. All part of the plan.

Cle media can spin anything.

Anthony Lima ‏@AnthonyLimaFAN 1m
Bringing in cap specialist to the "pitch" is like bringing the pastry chef to the Weight Watchers meeting and telling you what you can't eat

Ellsburg is going to be there? Interesting.

Yes, that guy...per Woj's recent ho-hum tweets.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Bosh is a better all-around defender, Love doesn't really play defense, all he does is rebound on the defensive side of the ball.

Love is a better outside shooter, can create his own shot, play in the post. Both are stretch 4's. Love might be better in outlet passes, but I think they both have similar skills overall in passing.

Disagree on the Love not playing defense thing. He's white, but still goodish - check the article below. Bosh is such a stud passer that he averaged a whopping 1.1 assists last year (Love averaged 4.4). Love almost doubled Bosh's rebounds from last year too (12.5 - 6.6). He also shot twice as many threes at a much better percentage (.376). Granted this was all done on a crappy team, but a lot of what he adds will fit perfectly with Lebron, imo.

Here's an article on Love's production last year.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1970882-the-case-for-kevin-love-as-the-best-power-forward-in-the-nba

 

[Todem]

I'm a bit sad to see Wiggins leave Cleveland, as i was drooling over the Wiggins/Lebron/Kyrie combination.

Love seems to be a stud, although I have to admit I haven't seen a lot of Timberwolves games over the last few years.

Would one of you gurus mind a quick breakdown of Love vs Bosh?

You sir are in a state of delusion. You have taken the bait, hook, line and sinker.

It's cruel.

 

[NutterButter]

Bosh is a better all-around defender, Love doesn't really play defense, all he does is rebound on the defensive side of the ball.

Love is a better outside shooter, can create his own shot, play in the post. Both are stretch 4's. Love might be better in outlet passes, but I think they both have similar skills overall in passing.

Disagree on the Love not playing defense thing. He's white, but still goodish - check the article below. Bosh is such a stud passer that he averaged a whopping 1.1 assists last year (Love averaged 4.4). Love almost doubled Bosh's rebounds from last year too (12.5 - 6.6). He also shot twice as many threes at a much better percentage (.376). Granted this was all done on a crappy team, but a lot of what he adds will fit perfectly with Lebron, imo.

Here's an article on Love's production last year.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1970882-the-case-for-kevin-love-as-the-best-power-forward-in-the-nba

Yeah, Love's PER was third in the league. His value added and estimated wins added are double Bosh's.

 

[got_nugs]

Bosh - better vine material. Hands down.

 

[Daywalker]

Cavs having to give away a 1st round pick and Zeller just to get rid of Jarrett Jack's $6M is exactly why you don't pay Channing Frye $8M a yr for 4 years, or Jodie Meeks $6 a yr for 3.

Ainge cleaning up. Boston doing what the Lakers should be. Take short term salary in exchange for assets.