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*NBA THREAD* Abe will be missed (4 Viewers)

Fill in the blank:"Tim Duncan is currently ___% of the player he was in his prime."
Offensively and on the boards about 85%, defensively about 50%. If you look at his stats you see very similar numbers from year one to year 14, but when you throw in his inability to play big minutes and his massive slip on the defensive end (he seems very slow for a 34 year old), hes just a shell of his former self.
 
**** Stockton is completely losing it.

So far, he's called Gallinari "Afflalo", and mentioned the jumper that Westbrook hit (no, he didn't). He also couldn't remember the 2nd half of "Oklahoma City".

 
**** Stockton is completely losing it. So far, he's called Gallinari "Afflalo", and mentioned the jumper that Westbrook hit (no, he didn't). He also couldn't remember the 2nd half of "Oklahoma City".
It's almost 9 here in Denver - well past his bedtime...Speaking of the start time - jesus a 10:45 EST start time?
 
Fill in the blank:"Tim Duncan is currently ___% of the player he was in his prime."
Offensively and on the boards about 85%, defensively about 50%. If you look at his stats you see very similar numbers from year one to year 14, but when you throw in his inability to play big minutes and his massive slip on the defensive end (he seems very slow for a 34 year old), hes just a shell of his former self.
He was at about 80-81% of his career high PER this year, but in watching him I think offensively he's more like 60-70% of what he was. Seemed like bad things happened every time they asked him to get a bucket or facilitate the offense tonight. Kinda sad.
 
time to break up this team, i think. next year splitter and start alongside timmy, who will rebound and block shots. manu off the bench again. jefferson is a nightmare contract. so they will need to look for a SG with some athleticism and some depth along the frontline.
You'd want to trade Parker then? I think Manu would still have a lot of value around the league and his position is a little easier to replace. Its been said a lot, but I wonder what these guys would look like with Scola in the mix still.
 
Good to see Felton check in and bring his game. Its just too bad that his game is horrible and detrimental to the team. I honestly believe that if the Nuggets were only carrying one PG (Lawson, not Felton) in the playoffs, they would have at least one win and probably two. He has absolutely destroyed the Nuggets in game one and three (game 2 was a group effort), and it looks like hes going to do it again in game 4 already.

 
Well they were playing withe Rudy Gay for 5/8ths of the season.
they also played in the toughest/best division of the western conference since they switched from two to four divisions 7 years ago. in 03-04, all 7 teams in the midwest division were over .500 and 6 of them went to the playoffs.
 
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Was that a shot or lob pass from Felton?
I don't think Felton even knows.I think it was his floater which is a fairly low percentage shot for him and might be the worst looking floater/tear drop I've ever seen.

Side note - Does Felton look like Beetlejuice from Howard Stern to you guys?
Yes, he does.I wish you hadn't pointed out how terrible he is. I can't stop staring at him now. He's really, really bad in this offense.

 
Was that a shot or lob pass from Felton?
I don't think Felton even knows.I think it was his floater which is a fairly low percentage shot for him and might be the worst looking floater/tear drop I've ever seen.

Side note - Does Felton look like Beetlejuice from Howard Stern to you guys?
Yes, he does.I wish you hadn't pointed out how terrible he is. I can't stop staring at him now. He's really, really bad in this offense.
I think he has all the tools to be a good PG, hes just really really dumb.ETA: At least you haven't seen Beetlejuice's sex tape. Every time I see Felton all I can think of is Beetlejuice/Felton bangin some overweight crack whore.

 
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Another great look at the Felton ISO offense that has been SOOOOOO successful. Karl has 3 guys who have created for themselves fairly well tonight (JR, Gallo and Lawson) and instead of letting any of them have the ball, he has Felton run out the clock. Felton as dumb as he is, waits until 5 seconds left to start attacking and is forced into a 28 foot jumper. Nice. Karl and Felton are doin all they can to get the sweep.

 
Terrible shot by Westbrook. Looks like the Nuggets survive. But that was a terrible last two minutes for Denver.
The Nuggets need to learn to get around screens and it wouldn't have been a problem. The Nuggets switch every screen and it doesn't work well.And there is Felton not getting around a screen, giving Durant a free shot. Awesome, thank god Karl has him in there for his defense.
 
And he misses a free throw, Felton really gives it his all to blow this game.

Hes quickly climbing my list of least favorite backup guards that Karl has overplayed with the Nuggets for no good reason.

Anthony Carter

Yakuba Diawara (He was so bad he doesn't deserve the correct spelling of his name)

Earl Boykins

Ray Felton

Greg Buckner

Byron Russell

Steve Blake

Wesley Person (Way after he was good)

 
And he misses a free throw, Felton really gives it his all to blow this game. Hes quickly climbing my list of least favorite backup guards that Karl has overplayed with the Nuggets for no good reason.Anthony CarterYakuba Diawara (He was so bad he doesn't deserve the correct spelling of his name)Earl BoykinsRay FeltonGreg BucknerByron RussellSteve BlakeWesley Person (Way after he was good)
I liked watching Earl Boykins play.
 
Great defense from both teams - Nuggets are going to die because of FT - but glad they win a game here. A couple of FT and a proper call on the goaltending in game 1 - this is a different story. This is the best contested series so far (Dallas Portland is close) with some great shots, blocks and toughness. Wish the Nuggets could find a way to extend it longer - maybe they can keep getting in the head of Westbrook and now Perkins - and it will flip.

 
Great defense from both teams - Nuggets are going to die because of FT - but glad they win a game here. A couple of FT and a proper call on the goaltending in game 1 - this is a different story. This is the best contested series so far (Dallas Portland is close) with some great shots, blocks and toughness. Wish the Nuggets could find a way to extend it longer - maybe they can keep getting in the head of Westbrook and now Perkins - and it will flip.
I would have to say that Chicago-Indy is the best contested series, this one is second.
 
Westbrook lost the game for OKC at the end. Tony Parker needs to talk to Westbrook and teach him how to stop jacking 3s.

 
Great defense from both teams - Nuggets are going to die because of FT - but glad they win a game here. A couple of FT and a proper call on the goaltending in game 1 - this is a different story. This is the best contested series so far (Dallas Portland is close) with some great shots, blocks and toughness. Wish the Nuggets could find a way to extend it longer - maybe they can keep getting in the head of Westbrook and now Perkins - and it will flip.
I would have to say that Chicago-Indy is the best contested series, this one is second.
This one seems nastier and thats why I give it the edge - but the Chicago-Indy one has been hard fought as well.
 
'simmonjm said:
'Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub said:
Knicks Gone Fishin'. Love It.

Chuck and Kenny summed it up pretty well with them. They're a long long long ways from being a contender. Need a PG, an identity, some sort of chemistry, someone to play defense, someone to rebound. They got 2 good offensive players. Cupboard is pretty bare after that.
You think it might have had something to do with the fact that Billups and Amare got hurt? Would love to see Miami without D-Wade and either Bosh/James they would have gotten swept by Philly. Knicks are not that far away, having an actual offseason together should help thier chemistry and Im sure they will get better pieces in the offseason if Donnie Walsh is still the GM.
Think Melo and Amare are going to spend a lot (or any?) of time together in the summer working on their games with each other?
LaLa probably has other plans - most likely some time on the Hamptons with Jay-Z and Sean whatever he calls himself filming a reality show or something like that. Then Melo will probably try to get on a bunch of TV shows and commercials.......basketball is job #2.
Melo nearly beat the Celtics by himself so if b-ball is his #2 job I am certain most Knicks fan could live with that.
 
'simmonjm said:
'Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub said:
Knicks Gone Fishin'. Love It.

Chuck and Kenny summed it up pretty well with them. They're a long long long ways from being a contender. Need a PG, an identity, some sort of chemistry, someone to play defense, someone to rebound. They got 2 good offensive players. Cupboard is pretty bare after that.
You think it might have had something to do with the fact that Billups and Amare got hurt? Would love to see Miami without D-Wade and either Bosh/James they would have gotten swept by Philly. Knicks are not that far away, having an actual offseason together should help thier chemistry and Im sure they will get better pieces in the offseason if Donnie Walsh is still the GM.
So just to be clear ... the argument is that Billups = Wade, and that the difference between healthy Amare and back back Amare is the same as the difference between healthy Bosh or James and no Bosh or James? That's what you're saying here?
What im saying is if you take away from the Big 3 in either NY or Miami the results are dramatically bad. I am in no way trying to make the argument that Melo=Lebron or Billups=Wade. Just saying that the way each of the teams are set up with a core of 3 players surrounded by role players (and thats being nice)the team turns from competitive to a lottery team with the absence of a Big 3 member.
 
'simmonjm said:
'Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub said:
Knicks Gone Fishin'. Love It.

Chuck and Kenny summed it up pretty well with them. They're a long long long ways from being a contender. Need a PG, an identity, some sort of chemistry, someone to play defense, someone to rebound. They got 2 good offensive players. Cupboard is pretty bare after that.
You think it might have had something to do with the fact that Billups and Amare got hurt? Would love to see Miami without D-Wade and either Bosh/James they would have gotten swept by Philly. Knicks are not that far away, having an actual offseason together should help thier chemistry and Im sure they will get better pieces in the offseason if Donnie Walsh is still the GM.
So just to be clear ... the argument is that Billups = Wade, and that the difference between healthy Amare and back back Amare is the same as the difference between healthy Bosh or James and no Bosh or James? That's what you're saying here?
What im saying is if you take away from the Big 3 in either NY or Miami the results are dramatically bad. I am in no way trying to make the argument that Melo=Lebron or Billups=Wade. Just saying that the way each of the teams are set up with a core of 3 players surrounded by role players (and thats being nice)the team turns from competitive to a lottery team with the absence of a Big 3 member.
Got it. But at the same time, you were saying that the Knicks are "not that far away." That seems an odd thing to argue when the member of their "Big Three" that was absent in this series will be 36 years old next time he steps on an NBA court, and the two guys that they're building their future around just got their doors blown off. How does that constitute being "not that far away"? It's not like it's a big surprise that a D'Antoni coached, Melo-led team couldn't play defense, or that Amare got hurt. Honestly, I do hope you're right, though. I have no quarrel with the Knicks or their fans, especially now that they're not even in the same division as my team. And I love Amare and hope he can stay healthy. Seems like a great guy, he's fun to watch, and he's a fellow member of the tribe to boot.

 
Westbrook lost the game for OKC at the end. Tony Parker needs to talk to Westbrook and teach him how to stop jacking 3s.
He shot so well from outside in game one (3 of 4) and two (3 of 6) that he got it in his head that he was now Steve Nash and should be shooting jumpers instead of getting to the hoop. His jump shot was one of the big reasons they won the first two games, but its also a big reason why the Nuggets were close in game 3 and won in game 4.There tons of big name players who should talk to Tony Parker about not jacking 3s (Rose, Lebron, Wade, Kobe, Melo).
 
Westbrook lost the game for OKC at the end. Tony Parker needs to talk to Westbrook and teach him how to stop jacking 3s.
:goodposting: When you are 0-7 from behind the 3 point line and have attempted 30 shots as the PG, OKC has a problem.Kenny and Charles were just ripping on him for not finding a way to get the ball to Durant, who probably would have found a way to put that last 3 in the way he was shooting.
 
And he misses a free throw, Felton really gives it his all to blow this game. Hes quickly climbing my list of least favorite backup guards that Karl has overplayed with the Nuggets for no good reason.Anthony CarterYakuba Diawara (He was so bad he doesn't deserve the correct spelling of his name)Earl BoykinsRay FeltonGreg BucknerByron RussellSteve BlakeWesley Person (Way after he was good)
I liked watching Earl Boykins play.
Of course you did, because the Lakers were always playing AGAINST him. Hes a Allen Iverson like shot taker, only lower efficiency and absolutely worthless on D. Karl played the guy 25 minutes a game, often running with a second PG (Miller), so not only were the Nuggets screwed defensively at PG when Boykins was in, for 10-15 minutes per game they were also screwed at shooting guard because Andre Miller was to fat and short to cover SGs. Karl has never figured out that two PG lineups only work if you have a really big PG (like Billups - who only played about 5 mpg at SG this year), instead he insists on Lawson-Felton (16 mpg since the trade), or Boykins-Miller (about 12 mpg over their stays in Denver).
 
'simmonjm said:
'Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub said:
Knicks Gone Fishin'. Love It.

Chuck and Kenny summed it up pretty well with them. They're a long long long ways from being a contender. Need a PG, an identity, some sort of chemistry, someone to play defense, someone to rebound. They got 2 good offensive players. Cupboard is pretty bare after that.
You think it might have had something to do with the fact that Billups and Amare got hurt? Would love to see Miami without D-Wade and either Bosh/James they would have gotten swept by Philly. Knicks are not that far away, having an actual offseason together should help thier chemistry and Im sure they will get better pieces in the offseason if Donnie Walsh is still the GM.
Think Melo and Amare are going to spend a lot (or any?) of time together in the summer working on their games with each other?
LaLa probably has other plans - most likely some time on the Hamptons with Jay-Z and Sean whatever he calls himself filming a reality show or something like that. Then Melo will probably try to get on a bunch of TV shows and commercials.......basketball is job #2.
Melo nearly beat the Celtics by himself so if b-ball is his #2 job I am certain most Knicks fan could live with that.
And by 'nearly beat the Celtics' you mean lost 4 straight games, right?
 
How will this effect Tim Duncan's legacy if the Grizzlies end up beating the Spurs?

 
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http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=310425029

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200605060PHO.html

Is Duncan too old that nothing he does from this point forward matters? 6 points, 7 rebounds in a must win game?

Accomplishment for Kobe that he's played longer than Duncan, yet doesn't look as "old"? Especially playing a position where longevity is rare?

I already have Kobe above Duncan on my all time list, but does the recent success of Kobe and Duncan's fall from grace move anyone's ranking of them?

 
'Cliff Clavin said:
Knicks Gone Fishin'. Love It.

Chuck and Kenny summed it up pretty well with them. They're a long long long ways from being a contender. Need a PG, an identity, some sort of chemistry, someone to play defense, someone to rebound. They got 2 good offensive players. Cupboard is pretty bare after that.
You think it might have had something to do with the fact that Billups and Amare got hurt? Would love to see Miami without D-Wade and either Bosh/James they would have gotten swept by Philly. Knicks are not that far away, having an actual offseason together should help thier chemistry and Im sure they will get better pieces in the offseason if Donnie Walsh is still the GM.
Think Melo and Amare are going to spend a lot (or any?) of time together in the summer working on their games with each other?
LaLa probably has other plans - most likely some time on the Hamptons with Jay-Z and Sean whatever he calls himself filming a reality show or something like that. Then Melo will probably try to get on a bunch of TV shows and commercials.......basketball is job #2.
Melo nearly beat the Celtics by himself so if b-ball is his #2 job I am certain most Knicks fan could live with that.
And by 'nearly beat the Celtics' you mean lost 4 straight games, right?
Nope meant that he averaged 26 pts, 10 rebounds, and nearly 5 assists a night. Certainly not on the level of Bargini or Derozan but impressive nonetheless.
 
http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=310425029

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200605060PHO.html

Is Duncan too old that nothing he does from this point forward matters? 6 points, 7 rebounds in a must win game?

Accomplishment for Kobe that he's played longer than Duncan, yet doesn't look as "old"? Especially playing a position where longevity is rare?

I already have Kobe above Duncan on my all time list, but does the recent success of Kobe and Duncan's fall from grace move anyone's ranking of them?
I'm gonna go out on a limb here, so bear with me.Maybe- and I know this is complicated logic- a small part of the reason that Kobe doesn't look as old as Duncan is because Kobe is two years younger than Duncan?

 
http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=310425029http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200605060PHO.htmlIs Duncan too old that nothing he does from this point forward matters? 6 points, 7 rebounds in a must win game?Accomplishment for Kobe that he's played longer than Duncan, yet doesn't look as "old"? Especially playing a position where longevity is rare?I already have Kobe above Duncan on my all time list, but does the recent success of Kobe and Duncan's fall from grace move anyone's ranking of them?
Awful.
 
'Cliff Clavin said:
Knicks Gone Fishin'. Love It.

Chuck and Kenny summed it up pretty well with them. They're a long long long ways from being a contender. Need a PG, an identity, some sort of chemistry, someone to play defense, someone to rebound. They got 2 good offensive players. Cupboard is pretty bare after that.
You think it might have had something to do with the fact that Billups and Amare got hurt? Would love to see Miami without D-Wade and either Bosh/James they would have gotten swept by Philly. Knicks are not that far away, having an actual offseason together should help thier chemistry and Im sure they will get better pieces in the offseason if Donnie Walsh is still the GM.
Think Melo and Amare are going to spend a lot (or any?) of time together in the summer working on their games with each other?
LaLa probably has other plans - most likely some time on the Hamptons with Jay-Z and Sean whatever he calls himself filming a reality show or something like that. Then Melo will probably try to get on a bunch of TV shows and commercials.......basketball is job #2.
Melo nearly beat the Celtics by himself so if b-ball is his #2 job I am certain most Knicks fan could live with that.
And by 'nearly beat the Celtics' you mean lost 4 straight games, right?
Nope meant that he averaged 26 pts, 10 rebounds, and nearly 5 assists a night. Certainly not on the level of Bargini or Derozan but impressive nonetheless.
:confused: What do Bargnani or Derozan have to do with this? Oh wait, they won as many games against the Celtics as Melo did?

 

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