Kev4029
Footballguy
That looks pretty much exactly what was proposed about a month ago. Nice job players association.
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Sea Duck
Footballguy
Considering that the owners had threatened to cancel the season and/or reduce the offer (to 53-47), I'd say that the players association made some decent lemonade here.
Think the 6-year opt out is what put this over the top. If you can renegotiate in six years then missing a season's worth of pay was not going to happen.
Sammy3469
Footballguy
The extend and trade and the use of the MLE for tax paying teams are also huge...basically the players saved the salary structure under a new hardish (in 2 years) cap. The previous owner offer basically was trying to save themselves from the MLE, so that is a pretty big point for the players.
Grady Wilson
Footballguy
I have a better understanding now. Hoping the Mavs can at least sign Chandler. If they can't sign him, they have no chance of a repeat. I'm just glad the season is starting.
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
Just one.
Premier
Footballguy
Guess Arenas is the obvious choice, but getting rid of Hedo would've been nice as well.
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
Maybe the Magic will be able to bring back Rashard Lewis.
timschochet
Footballguy
At first I thought that a shortened season would be a good thing for older teams like the Lakers. A smaller season should equal more rest for veterans, right?
But now I think its the opposite. The problem is that they will be condensing 66 games into a time frame that normally would have around 53 games. That means an additional game per week.
But now I think its the opposite. The problem is that they will be condensing 66 games into a time frame that normally would have around 53 games. That means an additional game per week.
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
If I'm a Lakers fan, this is probably the least of my worries. Shame it won't be as easy to just throw money at roster problems anymore.
Grady Wilson
Footballguy
Mavs have a good contract for amnesty in Haywood, but some believe they are going to wait a year or two before using it. Don't see the use in that, but I don't know how it all works either.
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
More money to spend on defense lawyers for the rape trials.
Voltaire
Footballguy
They still get paid. Straight cash, homie.
Instinctive
Footballguy
I believe the amnesty just means the contract doesn't count against the cap and you cut the guy. I could very well be wrong. I haven't spent enough time looking at it yet.
biggamer3
Footballguy
win for everyone then
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
Here's an article about it and the "bidding system" that will be implemented for amnestied players:
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-heat/sfl-miami-heat-nba-lockout-s112711,0,4202541.story
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-heat/sfl-miami-heat-nba-lockout-s112711,0,4202541.story
No. 16
Footballguy
Good move, IMO.
From his Twitter:
Leandrinho Barbosa: Dude, I received the news from my wife. I was sleeping and she was in the hairdresser. She called me and woke me up already crying. It was shocking. We weren't waiting for it. We were planning a big Christmas with our family and I dont think it'll happen anymore. Still not oficial, but it's unfortunate.
Leandrinho Barbosa: Dude, I received the news from my wife. I was sleeping and she was in the hairdresser. She called me and woke me up already crying. It was shocking. We weren't waiting for it. We were planning a big Christmas with our family and I dont think it'll happen anymore. Still not oficial, but it's unfortunate.
timschochet
Footballguy
Oh, I'm quite confident we'll find a way. The system might change, but everyone still wants to play for the Lakers (and that includes every player on whatever team you root for.)10 years from now you Laker haters will still be complaining that they get all the breaks, and we Laker fans will be celebrating at least a few more championships...'Good said:
Premier
Footballguy
UCLA got raped 50-0 last night.
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
I'm sure they'll stumble across a couple here and there, but the days of reeling off 2-3 in a row are, it appears, over. Players care about money, first and foremost. Very few players are going to take even 20% less to play for LA.Oh, and Phil's gone.
timschochet
Footballguy
Really? I know nothing about that.
Premier
Footballguy
Plus their uniforms were ugly, their coach is about to get fired, you're probably the 9th best program in the 5th best conference and USC looks great again.
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
They're going to find a way.
timschochet
Footballguy
Yeah but we're divisional champions, and if we win on Friday we're headed to the Rose Bowl!
Premier
Footballguy
It'll be a victory for you guys if Oregon doesn't put 70 on you. It's possible.Yeah but we're divisional champions, and if we win on Friday we're headed to the Rose Bowl!
timschochet
Footballguy
They only put up 66 last year. I think that we can hold them to 65 this time around. IF we play hard on defense...It'll be a victory for you guys if Oregon doesn't put 70 on you. It's possible.Yeah but we're divisional champions, and if we win on Friday we're headed to the Rose Bowl!
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
Terrible (asides from the gambling POV). I can't imagine how awful those 3rd games will be to watch.
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
World Peace at least offers some unintentional comedy. The other two are useless.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Speaking of World Peace and comedy, did anyone else catch his Twitter feed on Thanksgiving day?
Joe Summer
Footballguy
Walton. MWP and Blake are overpaid but they've still got something to offer. Walton is done as an NBA player.
JMon348
Footballguy
If Luke retires, I would use it on Artest, then go after Tayshaun Prince to play SF. I don't think it would be smart to use it on Blake, even though he was terrible last year, his contract isn't bad and I have hopes for him outside of the triangle.
I know Walton has talked about possibly retiring. Not sure how things will work under the new agreement, but maybe there is a possibility for a buyout of Walton before the season. He may be agreeable to something less than his full contract if he doesn't want to play anymore. I think the health is a huge concern for him and he'd consider a reduced sum. Especially after growing up watching the problems his dad had with the abuse he did to his body.Then they could use the exemption on MWP or Blake. In that case I would assume Blake would get cut. I think they can use the exepemtion again before next season on anyone that is under contract right now. MWP may get cut before next season.The one problem with them cutting these guys is they will have to fill that spot. It only makes sense to cut them if they can fill that spot with someone for the same $ or less. Spending more just rings up that luxury tax even more.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
I'd like to see what Ebanks could do at the 3. I don't imagine he'll be a plus offensively but I think he could really help out with D, quickness and hustle, which the Lakers badly need.
I'm really interested to hear how fans are feeling about the lock-out, shortened season, etc. Are a lot of fans that were big supports of the NBA now disenfranchised? Are people planning on staying away and not watching on TV? Most people I talk to are happy they are getting underway and not all that concerned about the cancelled games. If fact I think most look at it as they wouldn't have been interested until Christmas anyway. Just wondering how people here feel / what they are hearing from others.
Master of Past and Present
Footballguy
Keep in mind that Portland only has 1 major pro team (and no BCS conference school in town) but I get the feeling here people are just happy it is back and won't be too great of a % of people making an effort to ignore the NBA. Maybe because the Beavers and Ducks are not too interesting but I did not see a bump in interest in college ball during the lockout for those just wanting basketball. Personally I was hoping to see an extra couple games this year if the secondary market was down and having trouble to unload games but not sure that will happen here. Just not enough sports in town to be picky.
Major
Footballguy
I guess I'm indifferent. The NBA is just a blip on my radar screen until the NFL ends - way too many games. I think a 50 game season would be far more interesting but of course that wouldn't be financially feasilbe.
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
It happens in every sport these days, just part of the business. I'll spend the same amount on the NBA this year as I did last year which is $0 (unless work happens to take me to a city with a team). I'd love to see a boycott of every teams first home game.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
I miss Laker games being on for sure. I'd imagine serious NBA fans missed it, most everybody else probably wouldn't have noticed until the NFL playoffs got down to just a couple of games.Swearing off a sport because the people who play it want to haggle about how they divide up the money is dumb. It's not some grand moral issue. It's just entertainment.
Instinctive
Footballguy
Me too - it would make it a hell of a lot easier to get Mavs tickets for opening night since I don't have season tickets anymore.'Cliff Clavin said:
Hedgehog
Footballguy
agreed - I like the NBA and dont even start watching until X-mas....no foul here
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
From Millman's ESPN blog, he doesn't say where he lifted them from:
Seems weird to me to have a 2-1 team and then a 6-1 team from the same conference, especially since there's still a smattering of Eastern teams in the 10-1 to 20-1 range. Thinking the value, if there is any, is in the West. Nuggets maybe? Grizzlies? Thunder as the primary beneficiaries if the condensed schedule takes a toll on the older teams (Lakers and Mavs)?
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